Nokia N80
Steve finds that the truly spec-heavy Nokia N80 is something of a mixed bag, full of potential and yet not quite delivering in some areas...
Version Reviewed:
Score: 80

Nokia's range of S60 3rd Edition smartphones has been fascinating to weigh up as they've arrived, one by one. The E61 is great in so many ways, with large screen and qwerty keyboard, but falls down for me because there's no camera. The N91 and 3250 are superb as music players, but the first is over-large and S60 3rd Edition doesn't really agree with either of them with their standard (176 by 208 pixel) displays. The N71 perhaps gets closest, with a larger display and neat two-screen design, but you've really got to love clamshells to appreciate it. And the E60 and E70 haven't darkened doors near All About Symbian as yet.
All of which leaves the N80 which, on paper at least, should be THE 3rd Edition flagship. It's the smallest in terms of length, it's got the usual Nseries photographic goodies, it's got UPnP, Wi-Fi and every other comms technology known to man. And it's got the highest pixel resolution of any S60 device. Surely, surely this is the smartphone that's going to impress me...
It's worth mentioning that some of the comments below are comparing the N80 to its natural predecessor, the best-selling N70. Many industry allumni, including myself and Rafe, have ended up with the N70 because we believe it's just about the best smartphone out there. And of course the N90, though with its professional optics it's perhaps just too much of a specialist device. But the N80 out-guns these, in theory...
Hardware
Let's start with the exterior. The N80 is tiny, at least in terms of plan dimensions, with the slider closed it's 20% shorter than the N70 and with similar silver plastic and stainless steel front, looking very smart. The bottom segment of the N80 is in black plastic and the slider mechanism feels very solid. Overall thickness is a little disappointing, at 25mm, compared to the N70's 21mm, but it's easy to forgive this because of the amount of components packed in and because it feels very pleasing in the hand.
The main smartphone control keys are on the top half of the slider, as you can see here, with the numeric keypad on the bottom half. The arrangement works very well indeed most of the time, although as an old S60 hand I'm used to hitting number keys to launch applications on each menu grid and, with the slide closed, this isn't possible on the N80, making application launching and switching somewhat more awkward. The navigator key doesn't help, having more travel than the N70's and thus requiring more finger work.
The number keys themselves are larger than normal, as you'd expect with the extra real estate afforded by the sliding design, and text input using predictive text was faster than on the N70, which has smaller and fiddlier keys.
So far so good then, and a casual look around the hardware also reveals an infrared port (lacking on the N70) and a 'macro' lever below the rear camera lens (marked with symbols for macro or landscape). This lever, in addition to being rather rattly and fiddly, protrudes from the rear of the device in a way that doesn't let the N80 sit flat on the desk.
Final first impressions are topped off positively once you power the N80 on, with a gorgeous screen of the usual physical size but twice the pixel resolution. Although most elements of the S60 interface aren't any clearer (in fact, the opposite, as the smaller fonts used in many places make text harder to read), they are much, much smoother. Vector graphics used wherever possible and all the application icons have been reworked for the better. The new, high resolution screen comes into its own most when rendering images and videos, which have more room to breathe here than on the N70.
Wi-Fi and Web
Another hardware difference over preceding models is the inclusion of Wi-Fi, or 802.11g. Now, hear me, I'm not knocking Wi-Fi and of course I'd rather have it than not, but with such a small physical screen (even with the extra pixels), web browsing is still a chore. When I think of Wi-Fi on a handheld or smartphone, I think of free, high-speed web browsing, but even with Nokia's clever 3rd Edition Web browser I struggled to surf more than a handful of regular pages - in order to get page width set up to show me the articles I needed, the font and images had to be manually zoomed out slightly, and my eyesight was simply not good enough to enjoy the experience. Of course, your eyes may well be younger and more flexible, and the type sof sites visited markedly different, but I'd still rate browsing on a 2.1" diagonal screen as somewhat hard going.

Another main use of Wi-Fi is going to be in mobile email, of course. Messaging on the N80 is as good as on all previous S60 smartphones, with manual or automatic scheduled retrieval of messages or headers for as many mailboxes as you like. There's the facility to set your own 'home' network, with emails only retrieved when within range of this.
It's also worth noting that the Wi-Fi implementation on the N80 isn't as sensitive as that on the E61 or 9300i, I found that I had to have a signal stronger than "50%" or so in order to get anywhere, and that I had to be slightly closer to surrounding networks in order to 'see' them. This lower Wi-Fi reception is possibly linked to the smaller overall device size.
With Wi-Fi on all the time (except in the 'Offline' profile), better than average battery power is needed to keep things chugging along. The E61 ships with a 1500mAh battery, but here the N80 has a relatively tiny BL-5B, rated at around 750mAh. I'm guessing that the physical form factor dictated the choice of battery, but 750mAh isn't really enough, especially when users of the N80 are reporting that it expends a lot of energy trying to hang onto weak 3G service signals. Still, it'll get you through the working day with a typical mix of phone use, web browsing, photography, games and music playback. Just be sure to take the charger with you on a trip.
Imaging
One of THE selling points about the N80 is its 3 megapixel camera. That's 2048 pixels by 1536 pixels and compares well, in theory, to many a standalone digital camera. But there's a problem, and it's a big one. Picture quality isn't just about megapixel specs, it also has a lot to do with sensor size, how the sensor data is handled, lens size and quality. I was looking forward to putting the N80 through its paces in this department, especially looking at its macro mode. First up, I took the same photo (i.e. same scene, same light, within a few seconds) on both the N70 and N80 and zoomed in on a random area of detail:

As you can see, the N70 produces noticeably more detail and copes much better with differences in light intensity. This surprised me, as I'd thought that the cameras in each Nseries device were similar in implementation. But a little industry digging reveals that the N70's sensor has its images processed 'onboard', i.e. by dedicated electronics inside the camera, whereas the N80's sensor simply passes its data to a Texas Instruments chip on the N80's motherboard.
In addition, there are two more factors in the quality difference. The sensor elements in the 3 megapixel camera are physically smaller, almost by definition. And the lens used is part of a moveable array (i.e. swappable with the macro one), possibly not as precise an arrangement as the fixed lens on the N70. Whatever the reason, the picture fragments above tell their own story. Admittedly I was shooting in extremely bright sunlight, trying to stretch the camera electronics, I suspect that day to day light conditions might show more of an equality.
Picture taking was roughly as quick as on the N70, around 2 seconds per shot, provided you disable the option to show each image after taking.

There's the macro mode though, surely that's a major benefit on the N80? Yes indeed, if you take lots of close (between 7 and 9 inches) shots, the macro mode makes a detectable difference, especially in indifferent light. Here are photo fragments of a noticeboard, taken in normal and then macro modes:
Whether you're into ad-hoc nature photos or snapping stuff for eBay, the macro mode is genuinely useful, although given its presence I would have expected even sharper images, and I just wish the lens-swapping lever wasn't quite so loose.
As with other Nseries camera, there's an LED flash, this time with a serious attempt at red-eye reduction (a flash before the one used for the actual photo) but with the usual caveat that the LED is only really for filling in light in low light situations for close subjects - it's no match for traditional camera flash bulbs.

The camera interface is one of two applications on the N80 where S60 3rd Edition switches everything into 'landscape' mode. Your shutter button is then the silver button on the N80's 'top', a system which works better than the portrait mode used on the N70. Curiously, Gallery (Images/Videos) is the other 'landscape' application, perhaps so that you don't get fed up seeing the interface switched around when moving backwards and forwards between the two. As usual, there's a variety of camera settings (shooting mode, flash, white balance, exposure value, colour tone, image sharpness, brightness, contrast and colour saturation), although I can't believe that more than a tiny fraction of users will ever use these. When shooting photos on a smartphone, there's rarely time to stop and ponder which settings to use - as a result I always compare results taken using the default/automatic settings.
Gallery is interesting in that there's a new 'Options' command: 'Show via home net(work)', a reference to displaying or streaming via Universal Plug and Play (UPnP). Rafe's the UPnP expert around here and he'll be doing a separate review of this integration, along with his own take on the N80 in a separate article, coming soon.

Video recording is at the same (useful but not spectacular) resolution as the N70, i.e. at 352 by 288 pixel frame size, at 15 frames per second, and quality looks much the same, perhaps not surprisingly as processing for video capture and encoding is all done in software rather than hardware.
Applications
Web browser and Camera/Gallery aside, there's a pretty typical set of S60 built-in applications, including RealPlayer for MP4 and 3GP videos, the Quickoffice document viewers and LifeBlog. Most applications appear much as on previous generations of S60 smartphone, with the exception of text being rendered more smoothly on the high-res screen.

Music player is advertised as being 'Xpress Music' compatible and it certainly coped well with Windows Media Audio files I dumped onto its memory card. Playback was crystal clear - for rock music, at least - and there's a choice of half a dozen equaliser presets if you want to change the way your tracks sound. As ever, music playback quality depends a lot on the quality of the headphones being used and audiophiles should use the (thankfully supplied) Pop port adapter with their own hi-fi headsets. Disappointingly, there's no A2DP profile for supporting stereo Bluetooth headsets, so you'll be stuck with a wired solution.
Unlike the N91 and 3250, there's no obvious Media Player synchronisation mode. Instead, when plugging in the Pop port USB cable, you get the choice of 'PC Suite', 'Data transfer' and 'Pictbridge'. PC Suite works just as on all previous Nokia smartphones, of course. The data transfer mode offers slightly faster direct access to your memory card from your desktop (useful if you're dumping 500MB of MP3 or WMA tracks) and also integrates at a basic level with Windows Media Player by simply being yet another 'removeable disk'. The Pictbridge option is for connecting to compatible imaging devices or printers.
One oddity is the default icon placement in the main applications screen. Why leave the old WAP browser 'Services' on the front screen and leave the brand new Web stuck in the 'My own' folder? That's going to catch people out, especially as the icons are almost identical.
I was slightly disappointed to note that the N80 only comes with 18MB of RAM free (after boot up, for running programs). In fairness, this is still plenty for the vast majority of users (for example running a sat-nav system and a big Java game at the same time, but it seems odd to note that the older N70 comes with 30MB free after booting. Performance on the S60 3rd Edition N80 varied; some operations were quicker than on the N70, some were slower, but there's generally not a lot in it.
Verdict on the N80
Despite the niggles I've picked the N80 up on, it should be borne in mind that I'm not a typical user and that the N80 will perform admirably for the vast majority of people. I liked the build quality and sliding design, I liked the inclusion of Wi-Fi and infrared and I liked S60 3rd Edition, including the new camera interface. I even quite liked the slightly gimmicky macro mode. I was less enamoured by the poor battery life, the (slightly) lower quality camera and the way the sliding form factor got in the way of keypad shortcuts. One other possible factor is the still relatively poor third party application catalogue for 3rd Edition, the area where previous generations of S60 smartphone were so strong.
As a first S60 smartphone, most users will embrace the N80 with open arms and use it for what it is, a very powerful smartphone (though do make sure you get it upgraded to the latest firmware, the review model with older firmware was not without the odd glitch).
But, from a personal viewpoint and with an emphasis towards photography and application compatibility, Nokia will have to excuse me if I still consider the S60 2nd Edition-powered N70 and N90 to be, on balance, the current devices for me.

Review Discussion
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jukkaeklund
I'd say N70's real "successor" is N73. Same form factor and N7x number. And check the price tag in N80, it's in totally different category.
slitchfield
I agree the N73 perhaps has more similarities to the N70, but the N70-N80 is still a valid comparison. Both time-wise, in that the N80 is out now and the N73 is still months away, and in that when launched the N70 wasn't at that different a price to the N80 now.
The N70's come down a lot in the last year, it's widely available now SIM-free around Ģ250 inc VAT, which is fabulous value, IMHO.
Steve
Rafe
Its always a bit dangerous to say something is the sucessor to such and such a device. Yes the N73 is the direct sucessor to the N70 in Nokia's thinking, but there'll be plenty of the N70 owners who have or are thinking about the N80 as an N70 replacement. This, is of course, partly the result of the N80 not really having a predecessor. It is a top of the line smartphone, and the N70 was a top of the line smartphone.
N70 attracted more than just top of the line smartphone lovers (it was in some ways the first everyman smartphone), and I'm sure the N73 will do the same. I don't think the same could be said of the N80.
On paper the N73 is only better than the N80 in one department - the camera - its doesn't have WiFi, it has a lower resolution screen etc...
chrsfrwll
Never having had a N70, I bought the N80 mainly for the camera and WiFi (and screen res and....) and was interested to read that you feel the camera on the N70 performs better. Is this something that can be rectified on the N80 by way of firmware upgrade or will it blight the phone for ever?
nj7
For me is N70 right now. Why? Better battery, good camera, form factor (better them a slide) and, for a smartphone is essential, a lot of software available. Next, maybe, not N73, because is not so superior, but N93. Is big, heavy, but replace my DSC and Camcorder (in promise) - pass from 3 pieces to one, with only one kind of battery, memory and charger. In holydays is gonne be great!
slitchfield
No, it's not a firmware thing. As explained in the review, it's to do with different hardware image processing, the moveable lens and the smaller CCD pixel size.
I'm going to do a big AAS feature on photo quality next week, provided Nokia (or a reader) can lend me an N90....
Steve
zainman
having read alot of reviews about the N80 and talking to users firsthand... i still think i would buy it. period. i think its the best out there and perhaps there will be another software that would be fully able to utilizie the 3 mp camera on the N80. i love the form factor, the fact it has double the screen resolution and has WiFi and upnp. if the N91 had upnp, i would buy it but nokia missed out on that.
slitchfield
No, for the last time(!), the camera's issues are to do with its hardware. Having said that, it's not a bad camera, I'd rate its detail at better than the average 1.3 megapixel device.
Also, re: screen resolution, yes, but the screen size is identical - if only Nokia had put in (e.g.) a 2.4" screen, as on the N71.
Steve
marcb
"and the N73 is still months away"
Steve,
I thought the N73 was supposed to arrive in July... has it been delayed?
-Marc
slitchfield
No idea, actually, but my gut feeling says it's more likely to be August or later....
Steve
marcb
I wouldn't be too surprised by a delay, but I would be a little disappointed. I am still using a 6600 (T-Mobile USA is a little slow in getting new S60 devices and currently doesn't offer any) and was considering buying an unlocked N70 until the N73 was announced. An upgraded camera, better resolution, sleeker design and quad-band seemed worth the wait, but I would prefer upgrading sooner rather than later. One of the recent articles on AAS also suggests that games aren't made compatible for the 3rd edition devices as fast as I had hoped. (I guess waiting for the device helps here though.)
-Marc
akboom
I've tried a proto N73 and I have to say it is probably the best S60 device so far. An amazing camera (not tried in artificial low light) which works great in macro mode too, very light, great buttons, superb screen, excellent speakers and sound; what else is there to say. I'm getting one for myself and one for my dad as soon as it's out. This device beats the N80 hands down.
Boom
marcb
Thanks Boom. I'll wait a little longer I think. :)
Marc
slitchfield
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i replace nokia n70 with nokia n80 and I must say camera on nokia n80 isn't good
GENO1024
I purchased the Nokia 6680 to gain GSM and WCDMA (JAPAN) band access for true global use. The N80 add 1 GSM band and a whole host of detaures that have been well documented in published reviews. I find the N80 easy to use and the best appointed phone in the world. Battery life could be better, however it is not bad. Turing off the DUAL network search when in the USA, Europe, South America, China, etc...helps.
Unlike some comments, I found the voice command working very well. N80 maps the text entered contact to computer voice and adapts somewhat when the end-users uses the feature. No Match Found is emitted from the phone when Pronounceation or label is incorrect. I "worked" with my contacts to make sure I could use the voice control when the phone is in the slider-closed configuration. Sometimes a phonetic spelling helps to get the contact just right.
I use a Krussel multidapt case...so keeping the slider closed helps.
Unregistered
As an ex manager of 3 different leading phone stores, I was delighted when my upgrade finally came with the offer of a fantastic offer too good to miss..but I already knew I wanted this handset! The features/looks/nokia's renound abilty to come in at no1, I expected everything to work with simplicity and reliability.
Sadly I was wrong. I have just received my 4th handset replacement in just 5r months...and it is worse than the last.
Common faults are, fact, slow to respond, Freezes screen & switches off when ever! Does not like charging when prompted, Shows random messages regarding unexistant voicemail and if you're super lucky doesnt like to use the memory card as it's "unaccessable!"
By far the most disappointing I have owned, as a true die hard nokia fan i have unfortunatley now decided it will be time to go to the "dark side" and learn a new menu structure to whichI am alien.
What happened Nokia?
Why are you not testing these properly?
Give us back the 8210, simple, small, does what it says on the tin!
Hannah Scott
Huddersfield.
Dickoryslip
I agree completely with the previous reviewer. I dislike my N80 intensely. It is so slow and ponderous to use. I've had it for 9 months and have been frustrated all the way through. You have to keep "re-building" it to keep it nimble. It keep slowing down (and it's slow to start with) and eventually gets to a point that it's so slow you can't even lock the handset until it's finished sending a text. It's the second one I have had as the first one slid off a polished table onto the carpet and stopped working! A 1 metre fall onto a carpet should not kill a phone.
The synchronise with PC Suite stopped working (display just says "System Error") and after re-installing everything several times, replacing the USB cable and working through a number of proposed solutions off the web, it still doesn't work and I just cannot get it to work. It's cost me hours and hours trying.
For the first time ever (since my first phone in 1997) I am (nervously) going to try a non-Nokia phone. QA department at Nokia must have their feet up - the N80 has driven me awaaaaaay!
SStone
Hello. My N80 has been quite quirky from day 1 and I must say I've been very dissappointed. I've been using Nokia for 15 years & i'm normally a very strong advokate.... I love everything this phone was supposed to be, but in reality it has proven more buggy than many prototype builds I've seen...
The latest issue has me frazled as it has stopped my phone altogether and I'm hoping someone out there has a tip?
The "handset" icon is lit & the phone thinks I have a handset attached, but I do not. Hence, I cannot make/hear any calls. Attaching a handset doesn't fix the problem and I cannot connect to Bluetooth Headsets because I get a message which says to "disconnect the Handset first".. which is impossible to do... I've pulled out the SIM & battery & reinstalled with & without SIM all to no effect.. Any tips, please email me at shawn 'AT' mysapnet .. com ... Thanks...
Unregistered
Have one and wish I'd saved my money. Its an absolute piece of junk or to me more correct the software is complete rubbish. It was hanging, rebooting and misbehaving until I upgraded the system on line. Now its stable but still totally inflexible and almost unusable. Most documentation I find appears to refer to features I cannot find... maybe because its out of date.
I cannot find a way of turning the internet link off so the battery last a few hours. Its difficult to use and totally out of character with Nokia's previous products. Nokia is only where it is because their phones were easy to use if this is the direction its taking and this the QA it putting into its new products then I'm off to find something else!
I was totally pleased with a my 6230 all I wanted more was WiFi, SIP/Internet telephony and a slightly bigger screen. But there is nothing out there. N80 great camera and nice pics but what about the bloody phone? If I wanted to buy a camera I would have got a Cannon to a friking phone! Camera a nice to have and handy to take a pic if you forgot you main camera but what the hell this N80 is bigger than my camera and all it does properly is take pics! One more gripe... that nice feature that was supposed to pull in all my contacts, birthday's, notes and appointments from my old 6230... I ran it and after checking if my 6230 was compatible it proceeded to totally mess up my diary, changing all my 6230 entries to appointment and even managed to mess some dates up. Now all my birthday reminders are appointments strewth... what the hell is the matter with you. If you phone ain't ready then don't sell it!
Nokia go back to your drawing board look at the software and think about how people are going to use it just lik ethe good old days that got you where you are now. I want 1 key to start writing sms and 1 key to find contacts 1 key to head music 1 key to take pics... Not a bunch of menus with scattered options which take months to learn and become obsolete with the next version!
10 for features 1 for implementation = a nice paper weight!
Regards
Anthony
Unregistered
Ok Guys...
I really have to stick my head up from the ramparts here to defend a very good piece of kit from the negative experiences of a handful of people, who seem to be struggling with the fact they've got themselves something that you won't find in Woolworths or Argos.
Firstly, stability........ I've got a generic, non-branded, non-locked N80 handset with the most up-to-date firmware and it is ROCK SOLID. No crashes, no hangs, no resets or restarts, no white screens.... Just a rock solid phone. Why? Because Orange haven't had their hands on it, so it is exactly as Nokia intended it to be. So don't complain to Nokia that Orange polluted their phone with buggy software; it is NOT the fault of the handset manufacturer. The same will affect battery life. FACT.
Size...... Nokia clearly advertise the size of this handset. It is large because of the internal hardware required to do so much. If you want a thin phone get an Samsung Ultra. It won't have WiFi, or the amazing screen resolution of the N80, or Symbian software, but it will fit in your handbag with your Silk Cut, no problem. Labelling the N80 a "brick" just makes you look stupid.
Slow texts........ Download and install Nokia's SMS accelrator. Problem solved.
Keylock........ People are whining that the slider only has to move 1mm before the keys unlock. I have to slide my keypad almost the entire way to get the keys to unlock. Also, if it locked automatically upon closing the slider you'd all be complaining that it locks itself when you're still trying to do things with the other keys. It says "lock keypad?" when you close it. How much easier could it be.....?!!!!
Battery life......... Don't buy a handset that does as much as the N80 and expect it to last as long as your old green-screen 6310i. Nokia are clever people but they cannot change the laws of physics. There are some simple steps you can take to make your battery last longer. I get 1.5 to 2.5 days of life with average calls/txts/camera/mp3 usage. Turn off WLAN scanning when you don't need it, same goes for Bluetooth. Car chargers and desk chargers were invented for a reason. If you buy a laptop you can choose between a power-thirsty workhorse or a goes-easy-on-the-voltage weaker model. The N80 just happens to be a workhorse. That's what it was designed for.
Camera.......... The N80 has a good camera, that is let down by a lack of auto-focus. It is no secret that there are better 'camera-phones' out there. I get fantastic results outdoor in good light, and less so indoors. Which is what I expected from the advertised spec. I never expected something to compete with a Canon SLR.
Nokia PC Suite.......... This is excellent software for people that actually want to use the features of the N80, rather than just get a phone that plays the latest Britney Spears song. You can use it to back-up your phone, update the Firmware (very, very, simple...) and install extra software to the handset. It couldn't be easier. Again, on my modest Dell laptop it is ROCK SOLID.
So....... I'll admit that every manufacturer must send out a faulty unit from time-to-time, no-one's perfect. So apart from the occasional user review of someone who's had one of the bad units, I can't understand where all the bad reviews are coming from. Oh, hang on, I can... They're from people who got their phone upgraded and just went for the handset that did the most, or looked the most expensive, then complained because what they had in their greedy little paws was a piece of kit you have to appreciate to enjoy.
Get a de-branded, unlocked hand-set and update the firmware, install Nokia's SMS accelerator, and you've got an amazing phone.
It's a very advanced peice of technology that simply wasn't made for people that want to sit in McDonalds texting their mates on the next table and setting Eminem as their ringtone.
Thank you.
ruisapeca
iīve been reading coments and it is incredible the number of persons who had bought a phone the dont understand how to use it. almost all of the complains are becuse people dont know, or didnt explore enought the phone as they should. sometimes is better to buy a phoe that does less things but is more simple to use. the reason the nokia as so many models is for us to choose the most suitable for us. itīs also very important for today users to be sure of the mobile os sistem the phone has. next time you buy a mobile phone be sure that it is really what you want, and that has as many features as youīll need and not to much of them. sometimes a cheaper equipmant is the best for us. i have a n 80 and sure is has some troubles with it (and in itīs majorite you havent mencion them) but for me it is what i need. for me it is a great phone. only the os sistem will have to inprove a little. after using all my life nokias and also some other brans by comparisson i beieve nokia itīs better and they will solve those problems and present us good produts in the next years.
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