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Head to head: the Nokia N86 8MP and the Apple iPhone 3GS

Published by Steve Litchfield at 10:33 UTC, July 10th 2009

In their own different ways, the Nokia N86 8MP and the Apple iPhone 3GS represent the pinnacles of their form factor. The one is the classic one-handed 'phone', the other is the classic two-handed 'PDA/tablet. Yes, never mind that over-simplification, in the feature below I look in detail at every aspect of the two devices and try to see where comparisons can be drawn. I'm not looking for an overall winner, but am genuinely interested in the areas in which each device and form factor wins out.

iPhone detail


Device Nokia N86 8MP Apple iPhone 3GS
Weight, dimensions 149g, 103.4 x 51.4 x 16.5-18.5 mm (surprisingly heavy, quite a bit of metal used in the construction) 133g, 116 x 62 x 12 mm (light for its size)
Form factor/Mechanism Very solid dual-slide, thankfully no wobble. I think Nokia's got the hang of making these things now 8-) Keylock toggle switch on side is very handy Tablet form factor. Sleep button on the top acts as keylock - press this or 'Home' key and then swipe screen to restore operation
 

N86 detail

iPhone detail

Display 240 x 320 AMOLED, glorious display in most light conditions, but does black out in 100% direct sunlight. Tempered glass construction. 320 x 480 transflective LCD with capacitive touch, behind tempered glass. Very good display in all light conditions, including direct sunlight.
Processor/RAM

434MHz, 80MB free after booting. Generally speedy, S60 3rd Edition FP2 is very mature now and the N86 rarely slips up in the speed stakes. Multitasking means that you can run up to 20 or so applications at once and switch between them quickly.

For games, SPMark 3D score is 1170, with 95,000 polygons a second. Fully Java compatible, although SPMarkJava, rather curiously, refused to give me a 'score'!

600MHz ARM Cortex, 256MB of RAM, PowerVR SGX graphics co-processor, generally very quick within an application, although there's no multitasking - all applications have to close when they leave the foreground due to limitations imposed by iPhone OS.

Exact SPMark score not available, but millions of polygons per second certainly possible, at least ten times faster than all currently shipping Nokia hardware. Not compatible with Java games.

Base OS Symbian OS 9.3, with Platform Security iPhone OS 3.0, derivative of Mac OS X, based on a flavour of Unix
Internet 'Email' (Nokia Messaging), S60 Messaging, Web - superlative for mobile sites, powerful for full desktop sites, including Flash content, but hampered by the need to scroll a lot. Mail, Safari - intuitive web browsing, optimised for full desktop sites that don't have much Flash content, nice experience on the large screen, but runs into trouble on some mobile-designed web sites.
Application set highlights Ovi Store (1,000 apps/games at present), Share online, Quickoffice viewers (editing version available), S60 PIM, Podcasting, Nokia Music Store, BBC iPlayer (in the UK), Internet Radio, N-Gage (including one free game) App Store (50,000 apps/games at present), iPhone PIM, Office file viewers (editing versions becoming available from third parties, though with some limitations), iTunes, YouTube client, Weather
Navigation GPS/Digital compass, with Ovi Maps, with full voice route guidance on ad-hoc subscription model (first three months 'Drive' free though - depending on market), lifetime pedestrian real time guidance.  GPS/Digital compass, with Google Maps, no turn by turn navigation, but real time sat-nav add-ons to be available separately as commercial products in the future.
Camera (stills)

8 megapixels, Carl Zeiss optics, autofocus, variable aperture optics, dual LED flash, superb results in all light conditions except pitch darkness in large rooms/outside. Click each thumbnail to download or enlarge.

Sample photo (outdoors, shadowy sunlight):

N86 Image Sample

Sample photo (outdoors, very low light, very impressive how the optics and sensor work to keep apparent light levels up):

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Sample photo (indoors, artificial light, only 100W main bulb, 60W lamp and the N86's dual LED flash to light the scene - rather impressive lack of digital noise):

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3 megapixels, no flash, subject-selectable autofocus, good results in good light conditions.  Click each thumbnail to download or enlarge.

Sample photo (outdoors, sunlight):

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Sample photo (outdoors, lowish light, but sun still 'up', surprisingly good handling of light and dark):

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Sample photo (indoors, artificial light - no flash, of course, the iPhone's small optics and sensor show typical camera phone problems with low light here):

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Camera (video)

VGA, 30fps, produces good results in most light conditions (thanks to the lack of 'pixel-binning', the F2.4 aperture and the high quality sensor) for subjects between 0.5 metre and 30 metres away. The usual Nokia (H.263-limited) video traits of blurring of dense areas of detail (e.g. greenery/trees) is evident. Interestingly, the aforementioned use of all the pixels on the sensor mean that you can use the digital zoom and get good results - this is, as far as Nokia know, the only phone on the market that uses this technique. See also http://is.gd/1xlra for a demo of this facility.

See below.

VGA, 30fps, produces terrific videos in good light conditions, with subject-selectable initial focus, though this does mean that you can't switch subjects mid video without ugly blurring.

Note that the editing and YouTube rendering have taken a slight toll on video quality in the embedded sequence below.

 
Audio 3.5mm audio/TV jack, plus stereo speakers (tinny) 3.5mm audio/TV jack, mono speaker (tinny)
Electrical microUSB data and charging, 1200mAh, user-replaceable battery (expect two days of use between charges in typical use - the small OLED screen is quite frugal) iPod data and charging port, 1150mAh fixed internal battery (expect to charge each night in typical use - the faster processor, hungrier OS and bigger screen eat current!)
Wireless specs Quad band GSM, HSDPA, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth (full profiles, all accessories), FM transmitter (e.g. for car use), FM radio Quad band GSM, HSDPA, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth (limited to headset and early implementation of A2DP)
File/Media Capacity 8GB internal mass memory, plus microSD expansion, officially up to 24GB 16GB or 32GB mass memory, depending on model
Cost £365 inc VAT in the UK, from £Free on £30/month contracts (data use bundles may be extra - shop around!) 16GB model is £440 inc VAT in the UK, locked to O2, 32GB is £540 inc VAT, typical contract is £185 up front for the 16GB iPhone 3GS plus £35 a month for 18 months (though this does include unlimited data use, to be fair)

As mentioned at the top, the N86 8MP and iPhone 3GS are very different devices, each top of the tree in a different market segment. But many of their functions are comparable, I was struck by the equality in several table rows above. The Nokia N86 8MP outguns the iPhone 3GS in terms of hardware gadgets, camera, and battery life, while the iPhone 3GS outguns the N86 8MP in terms of screen size, overall capacity, graphics power and range of third party applications (mainly games).

I've talked before about the divide between content creators and content consumers, e.g. the Nokia N82 and iPhone 3G were polar opposites in this regard. The introduction of the N86 and iPhone 3GS have changed things significantly - the N86 is better than the N82 at consuming content because of its larger, far brighter screen and iPlayer compatibility - the iPhone 3GS is better than the iPhone 3G because of its rather good camera/camcorder - so the two marques have drawn much closer together, but I'd argue that there's still some division along the same lines. Plus, of course, there's the whole touch-versus-buttons debate to consider. The latter seem to be out of favour at the moment in parts of the tech world, but there's still plenty of mileage in traditional form factor and in qwerty-based devices.

Personally, I'd be more than happy to own either of the two phones - they each have weak points but also have more than than enough 'pros' to balance these out. However you look at it, the iPhone 3GS comes out significantly more expensive though - as is typical with Apple hardware (and I speak as a fan) - all other things being equal, those on a budget will perhaps continue to be slightly wary of the latest 'Rolls Royce' iPhone.

Steve Litchfield, All About Symbian, 14th July 2009

PS. Thanks to James Burland for helping with images and video in this article.

PPS. You'll have gathered, from the fact that the sample photos and videos weren't of the same subjects, that the N86 and iPhone 3GS aren't physically in the same reviewer's hands yet. James and I are planning a meet up to do a day of direct head-to-heads - watch this space!

PPPS. See also my Nokia N86 detailed review series: Nokia N86 8MP Review - Part 1 - Overview / Nokia N86 8MP Review - Part 2 - The Camera/Camcorder / Nokia N86 8MP Review - Part 3 - Other features and Wrap-up

Categories: Comment, Hardware
Platforms: General, S60 3rd Edition

Feature Discussion

malerocks
Steve, Steve, Steve, what have you done? Another Nokia vs Apple article!!! Now expect a long list of comments to this. :tongue:
Jaggz
Sinclair vs. Commodore, Nintendo vs. Sega. Psion vs. Palm... There's nothing quite like a large helping of tech competition to fire up the brain cells on a Monday morning!

As with all good tech battles, both competitors are worthy and both competitors are much loved by their legion of fans. To be honest I didn't quite expected Nokia and Apple to be in the same arena so soon. Things move so fast these days... But here we are with the N97 taking a swipe at the iPhone and the iPhone 3GS striking back at the Nseries with some surprisingly good content creation features.

Nice write-up Steve. The N86 clearly sees off the competition in low/artificial light. I'm now even more keen to get my hands on this classic Nseries device.
Unregistered
I've already given my opinion of the N86 on the forum.
This must surely be the last dual slider that we see released by Nokia. It's clear the the problems inherent with the N95 have not been fully resolved. The right lower part of my N86 slide now clicks slightly when first opened, but thankfully the play in the top part hasn't got any worse (it's the same as my N95 now). I am considering sending this £400 device back now, In hope that I'll get one of these "stiff sliders" that other people claim to have, but I'm wondering if it really is worth going through the customer services experience again?
Unregistered
.....and after reading your comments Steve, I'm wondering if your N86 slide is still as solid as it was when you first received it, and is it as noticeable?
malerocks
Good point about the slider... It is important to know if any wear and tear does any damage to it. Steve, any comments?
slitchfield
Yes, my N86's slide is still as pristine as when I received it last month. What do you guys DO to your phones? 8-)

I do keep all my devices in cases at all times, so I'm particularly gentle with them, mind you.
Unregistered
I've not exactly been throwing mine around though, as I've had it in my pocket with my leather wallet and the rest of the time it has been on my desk. I'm very careful with my new phones and even a small scratch has me cursing myself for being clumsy! I'm positive that this has occured with just normal use.
I think I'll chance another swap, as I've also had a problem with the phone freezing on startup every other time. Third time lucky eh? :)
pintofale
I know you love your cases Steve, but I think the majority are still asking the question 'can I carry it in my pocket without a) toshing it and b) looking like I've got a semi. If it needs to be in a bag then a netbook plus bog-standard blower is far cheaper and better for all but the techno-lust brigade.
Last really pocketable phone I had was the N93. Since then I have had phones that let dust behind the screen, which is pathetic, and phones which scratch (5800) and break (N73) too easily, so that my current squeeze (E90) resides in a Bugatti on my belt. I want the next one in my pocket where God intended it to be!
adi_pie
My N86 still works fine though it's still too early to tell if it will continue working well, I don't have a case for it so ...:tongue:
I have managed to try a friends' iPhone 3GS, and I must say I am quite impressed with the video capture, it's not perfect of course (neither is the N86s) but it is quite good.
I'm just wondering if a contract with Orange is worth one now :rolleyes:
MWEB
You really ought to be comparing N86 to any number of SE's, Samsung's and LG's, in which instance my research finds it fares quite badly :):tongue:
slitchfield
@MWEB: So you're saying that all these other feature phones shoot video better than the N86?
Marvin (phil)
Hi. I am a Nokia fan.

Well, Apple is doing good on phone market. They still have this classic over-an-over-again styling of their products (ipod, iphone, etc). And this 3GS reminds me of Nokia 3650, the predecessor of the revolutionary (on its generation) Nokia 7650, which introduces video recording.

Well, what can I say to Apple. They do good on eye-candy interface which Nokia is in fact struggling on that part. I am a Nokia fan that I also admit some of its weak point. The keyless classic design of iPhone really bring mystery on its design and appeal. Also, the kinetic scrolling really grabbed my attention on the release of the iPhone. But in terms of menu complexities, Nokia Symbian Series 60 is really feature-rich.

I am starting to get addicted to touch screen phones because you just have to point this and that without scrolling the d-pad continuously. So, that would give Apple a credit on this comparison because Nokia N86 is a soft-key based product which I know Nokia is the pioneer of this setup and majority of phones are using this soft-key setup. But I will still stick to Nokia N86 MP. After all, the years of experience of Nokia in phone market is still unmatched by a young Apple iPhone.

Thanks.
Taomyn
Quote:
Originally Posted by malerocks View Post
Steve, Steve, Steve, what have you done? Another Nokia vs Apple article!!! Now expect a long list of comments to this. :tongue:
And keep them coming.....people need to wake up to how lacking the iPhone still is against all that is out there. Three major software releases to bring copy'n'paste and video recording yet still no background apps.
pennas
Steve:

You have mentioned that the N86 uses the whole sensor for video recording as opposed to just a small bit of it.

My question is: does this finally allow for using the digital zoom whilst video recording? I find it ridiculous that on my N95/N85, there is a 5mp sensor but I can't zoom on a VGA-res video because the result is truly horrendous; it only zooms in using that VGA segment.
Unregistered
Qvga = fail
slitchfield
Quote:
Originally Posted by pennas View Post
Steve:

You have mentioned that the N86 uses the whole sensor for video recording as opposed to just a small bit of it.

My question is: does this finally allow for using the digital zoom whilst video recording? I find it ridiculous that on my N95/N85, there is a 5mp sensor but I can't zoom on a VGA-res video because the result is truly horrendous; it only zooms in using that VGA segment.
EXCELLENT question. I've just tried it and yes, you can zoom in quite a lot without any seeming serious digital artefacts. I'll add this to the table and upload a sample video shortly.

8-)
Jaggz
Re digital zoom: I'm not sure it's even possible to do what you describe. If Nokia *have* managed to pull it off I'll be amazed, as I'm pretty sure it will be an industry first. Looking forward to the video demo Steve.
slitchfield
OK, video demo up. http://is.gd/1xlra
Not sure why you guys think it's that difficult. Nokia are simply using the whole sensor to capture light for the video - when zoomed in, they're simply downsampling differently.

If you zoom in much beyond 4x, you hit the same problems as digital zoom on other camera phones, i.e. things start to pixellate in ugly fashion. But 4x seems about right, since the VGA rendered frame is about four times (linearly) smaller than the full 8mp sensor.
Jaggz
Simply amazing... I'd love to know how Nokia are doing this. As I understand it, previously when you zoomed, the device just scaled up the centre of the VGA frame. Now it's doing something quite different.

Steve, from your explanation it sounds as if the N86 should be capable of capturing HD. I'm confused. Help!
JohnnyN
Regarding the slider again, it looks like I'm not the only one. One person was told that it was normal for the slider to move by Nokia themselves. Another has decided to fix it himself with tape!
Obviously the N86's build quality isnt as great as first declared.
pennas
Thanks Steve!

I could never understand why previous phones didn't do this to be honest.

As for HD capture, I believe that the limitation is more in the processing power required to encode h.264 at a decent resolution.

HD video capture has to be the next step.
Unregistered
quick question...is anybody experiencing crashing/freezing on the new n96 firmware. And is there any web browser that allows opening multiple windows
ericklamothe
A nice review which focuses on a well rounded N Series device in comparison with the best known touch screen mobile at present. The E66's successor (I'm presuming there will be one) and a new touch screen N Series will probably present a very powerful alternative to the offering from Apple. Apps aren't everything and other manufacturers are also persuading customers that generous on board hardware and software is just as appealing.
Unregistered
Quote:
And this 3GS reminds me of Nokia 3650, the predecessor of the revolutionary (on its generation) Nokia 7650, which introduces video recording.
The Nokia 7650 came first.
ClockworkZombie
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taomyn View Post
And keep them coming.....people need to wake up to how lacking the iPhone still is against all that is out there. Three major software releases to bring copy'n'paste and video recording yet still no background apps.
Actually the iPhone does allow background running of applications, but only Apple applications. Third party applications miss out.

For example you can listen to music whilst web browsing and so on.

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