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Getting everything into the N85 - Lifeblog the main issue?

Published by Ewan Spence at 10:45 UTC, November 26th 2008

Sometimes we at AAS Towers get review hardware that we're allowed to keep for many months - in these cases, it means that it's practical to move everything over and use such a device as our main phone, day in, day out. In such a situation is Ewan with the Nokia N85. The data transfer process wasn't without its hitches though and there's one critical piece of software whose absence is causing Ewan's blood to curdle. Read on...

"Normally, reviews of hardware on All About Symbian are very matter of fact, and we make a point of trying out each corner of the performance envelope on a new device, hoping that we can answer all your questions and make sure you are well informed so you can decide yourself if the device is for you.

And many of you are waiting on our view of the latest Nseries device, the Nokia N85. We've already taken a detailed look at the Nokia N85 in a recent hands-on preview, albeit this was with pre-release hardware and firmware, and that answers a lot of the initial technical questions, but a more in-depth discussion is warranted.

It is with that in mind that a production hardware N85 arrived on my doorstep. The Nokia N85 occupies an interesting space in the Nseries line-up, with almost identical specs to the new N96 flagship, but positioning itself just behind its multimedia partner. I'm moving up to this device from a Nokia N95 8GB, and over the next wek or so I'll be looking at different areas of the device, with a liitle bit more of a personal touch than normal. But before that, I want to talk about moving my data and applications over to the new device, because that moving process has not been without problems. We normally would skip over this in reviews to a certain extent, but allow me just to bring up the fun and games that I've been through.

Nokia N85 and N95 8GB

It's impossible (for security and DRM reasons) to simply move all your applications over from one device to another, so I have to dive into my personally maintained archive of SISx and JAR installation files to put back on the applications that I use a lot. Any progress in applications like Car Jack Streets or Astraware Soltiaire has to be left behind (unless you are a really serious hacking power user), which in some cases can mean you might not return to the application, or be hesitant to move over.

Nokia N85 Nokia N85

The situation gets even more intriguing when you consider the N-Gage Client. To move over the games you've already bought, you need to speak to Nokia Customer Services to reset your activation codes (this is an issue our sister site All About N-Gage is covering in more depth here). As the N85 is a loan device, I've not actually done this step yet, so the N95 will continue to be the review unit for N-Gage titles.

Some applications are easier to move over. The two Google applications I use (Google Mail and Google Maps) can be reinstalled via the web browser (http://m.google.com/ and follow the links). With the data for these applications in 'the cloud' of data on the internet, there's no need to move over anything more than my login details.

Nokia N85 Nokia N85

 

Mobipocket is another application that I use frequently. This ebook reader also has an online downloader (http://m.mobipocket.com/) where you can choose your smartphone and download the correct version. Now of course, it's time to move my library of Ebooks. Did you know you can connect two S60 phones through Nokia's PC Suite at the same time? Well you can, so it was a simple matter to make one drag and drop copy of around 150 ebooks from the old N95 to the new N85.

Then there's Sports Tracker. There's currently no official version for the N85 of this (admittedly beta) product. A bit of knowledge (and guesswork) and I go for the latest S60 v3.2 version for the Nokia N96, which loads up nicely. With a huge number of phones across Nokia's range, it is possible that some of the newer devices are missed out of the smaller projects, but given there are one or two (beta related?) issues using Sports Tracker on the N85, I suspect I'll still be popping the N95 in my pocket on the daily cycle until an update arrives.

I'm not going to cut the main Ovi site any slack though. And I'm specifically looking at you, Ovi Sync (of Contacts, Calendar, Notes and Tasks). Previously when transferring PIM information I've always done this using PC Suite, syncing the old device into Outlook and back out again to the new device. I thought that time I would use Ovi, and the handy 'restore information [to device]' option. Which hit me with another stumbling block and an opportunity to pretend to be another device.

Nokia N85 and PC

When adding a new device to the service, you are presented a list of compatible devices to choose from. Guess what isn't there? Bingo! There's no N85. Now I know that I can get away with using another model, but is that common knowledge? For a flagship product (by that I mean Ovi) to not be up to date with released models doesn't seem right. But that hoop vaulted, and all my data is now easily residing on the N85.

But what's concerning me (and by concern I mean sitting down and re-evaluating) is the lack of Lifeblog. I'm a big user of Lifeblog, alas Nokia has decided that Lifeblog is no more, and everyone will use Nokia Photos from this moment on. This is actually a little bit distressing to me, made doubly so by Nokia's complete deletion of Lifeblog from their web site. Heading to the old Lifeblog URL and you get shunted straight to Nokia Photos, with little explanation. This is enough to scare me and wonder what's going on. A quick search around the net about Nokia Photos reveals some real horror stories, and very little news to comfort me.

The problem is two-fold - the first is that there's no option for me to stay with Lifeblog on the handset, so I have to move up to Nokia Photos to continue the sync and backup solution that I've been using for a number of years. And secondly, having no clear information on Nokia's site just makes the jump a little bit more emotional - I've got a lot of memories in these photos, texts and videos. Not everyone has a Rafe to reassure them.

Transferring over to another handset is something that admimttedly happens only the once to the regular user, but I don't think that the applications that I was moving over are that far removed from the normal user's (a few games, PIM data and one or two serious applications) and it's not at all clear what you need to do. It's a far cry from other manufacturers that can do a full device restore, and on a second, brand new device at that, all with one click.

And now that's all out the way and I'm comfortable with the application set on the N85, it's time to take a serious look at the handset and start working on a full review, which should be along shortly."

-- Ewan Spence, Nov 2008

Categories: Editorial Thoughts
Platforms: S60 3rd Edition

News Discussion

malerocks
Ewan, instead of Ovi, you could have tried the phone-to-phone transfer app that is part of all nokia devices these days. It can easily help you move contacts, calendar entries, your messages, bookmarks and without involving any PC or a data or wifi connection.
clintonjeff
I hate that LifeBlog has been completely discontinued in the newer devices, because I use it a lot on my N82. I was hoping they'd atleast release it as a download or something so that we'd atleast have the option of using it.
alsiladka
To be fair to Nokia, lifeblog was not a kind of application suited to the phone screen and limitations. I also support their implementation that such an application should be managed on the PC alone. But i also agree with you that Nokia Photos is not this applications. They should have released a proper LifeBlog update to meet the requirements.

I am really looking forward to the AAS review of N85, it was disappointing that AAS had not reviewed N85 for such a long time, especially since it was going to be an important device from the public's perspective. No matter how much nokia promotes N96 as the flagship device, i believe it shall be N85 which may end up taking the cake.

Do review some of the games using the N85 as the host device, the gaming keys really make playing the games fun. I would suggest you try out One and Bounce on the N85 in landscape mode with the gaming keys, it will be fun.
Eismaus
The missing lifeblog application is a good reason to delay my handset change for a while.

As this is my main blogging tool, i need to find an alternativ before i move on.

Thanks for pointing out this detail!

Eismaus
slitchfield
Just to point out that *production* N85s and N79s have only in the last week or so been available to journalists. We did do some very thorough 'previews' of the prototypes, remember 8-)
Sergey Zak
As you probably know, I am also an avid LifeBlog user and ambassador.
What many of people on the street do not understand, is that the phone app is not the end of story, and that there is PC LifeBlog app which TOTALLY ROCKS, but was miserably under-marketed.
What can I say? I was sorry to hear of dismantling the moniker and some functionality.
Ovification must go on.
Dotsisx
And this is why they call us the Gurus :p no seriously, next time you want to switch S60 handsets, Ewan, please take a look at this guide that I compiled a while ago: www[dot]symbian-guru[dot]com/welcome/2008/07/symbian-gurus-ultimate-guide-to-switching-devices It may not have the answer to N-Gage switches, nor to application licenses or Lifeblog's absence, but it does have some serious tips to move your personal data, contacts, calendar, messages, bookmarks, even your Nokia Maps (or Google Maps) favorites, your Sports Tracker previous tracks and your T9 dictionary :D quite useful, and whenever I need to move things to a new handset, I always re-open that post and make sure I didn't forget to do one of them.
mrkin
I am very dissapointed that there is no built in internet calls on the N85.
There are SIP settings but no internet call application.
Barkotron
No Lifeblog is a Bad Thing. Is there anything which has the same functionality? Is Nokia Photos the same thing but just photos?

Well, I'm still interested in the N85, but Lifeblog was one of the things keeping me more tied in to Nokia than I might have otherwise been. I'm now far more inclined to consider other manufacturer's phones knowing that Lifeblog has gone - I've got a lot of memories in there on the PC version: wedding photos and texts, my daughter being born etc. It's a really useful way of keeping a diary for someone who's no good at keeping diaries. Never used the phone app, I must admit, but this really, um, sucks :(.
pennas
I just used the built-in app Switch. Moved all of the data over that I required from my N95 to N85, no issues!
malerocks
I didnt think there would be so many users of LifeBlog still around. In one of the earlier articles, someone had started criticizing LifeBlog which found lots of similar thinking people and no one defended it then..
neilhoskins
No SIP calls? Is that right? That's a show stopper for me.
Unregistered
If there's no PowerVR there's no point to this phone...
neilhoskins
Just been digging around the developer forums to see what the score is with SIP/VoIP on the N85. As always, it seems, the situation is an unholy Nokia/S60-style mess, which would make your average Joe User run a mile (probably to the nearest iPhone shop). It seems:

- The SIP stack has been upgraded to version 3
- In order to use it, you need an "advanced settings plugin", available from
http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.n..._Settings.html.
WHY, NOKIA, WHY!!!???
- Or you could wait for a third party (maybe a SIP provider, like Trufone?) to write an app.
Unregistered
Hi,
As I change devices on a regular basis I can share your frustrations but I think you are perhaps being a little unfair on suggesting no lifeblog is a potential deal breaker. OK, you are not suggesting this but this is how your comments are being viewed by the comments right?
My understanding is that you can import your whole lifeblog database into Nokia photos and continue as before. You have not lost anything and the ability to blog your life through pics, vids, text etc in a timeline is still there. On the plus side, there is now the amusing (at least for my kids) map view so we can see where we've been.
Dare I say it but did I miss something? I'm sure someone will tell me :)
Barkotron
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Hi,
As I change devices on a regular basis I can share your frustrations but I think you are perhaps being a little unfair on suggesting no lifeblog is a potential deal breaker. OK, you are not suggesting this but this is how your comments are being viewed by the comments right?
My understanding is that you can import your whole lifeblog database into Nokia photos and continue as before. You have not lost anything and the ability to blog your life through pics, vids, text etc in a timeline is still there. On the plus side, there is now the amusing (at least for my kids) map view so we can see where we've been.
Dare I say it but did I miss something? I'm sure someone will tell me :)
If that's the case then I don't mind so much. Is it really the same thing?

Dammit this is stupid. I'm going to actually go take a look.:rolleyes:
mrkin
ok. thnks. SIP calls works now after installing the application.
Unregistered
ive just forcible upgraded to the N96 after losing my N95 and the loss of lifeblog is harsh. I was using it as my main store and backup of everything and now I cant transfer diddly back to the new phone. Its just rubbish and im totally frustrated, Since now I have to go to all my friends and get thier numbers one by one. Shiet.
J

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