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Nokia N85 review - pt 3 - Multimedia: Imaging, Audio and Video

Published by Ewan Spence at 16:09 UTC, December 22nd 2008 under Hardware in S60 3rd Edition|| 27 Comments / Post New Comment

After Rafe's first, detailed N85 hands-on, Ewan's taken over with a production device. Following on from his look at the hardware in part one, and the S60 software in part two, his investigation continues with the multimedia elements.

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The Nokia N85 is going to be picked up by more newcomers to the Nseries range than upgrades, and I suspect that those users are going to be seriously impressed with the media capabilities of the n85.

Let's start with the camera, and the 5 megapixel lens/sensor. While that size is starting to feel a touch au fait with people watching spec sheets, in the real world it's a big number and more than enough to suffice for good sized pictures. The addition of a camera lens cover is something that will be welcomed by many, although Steve has demonstrated that only a small fraction of pictures may be affected in this article. The point is that this part of the design of the N85, like many, is geared more towards regular phone users moving up to a bigger and better model.

N85 back   N85 flash

The camera software is the usual S60 bundle, and as in the original N95, the action of opening the lens cover brings the camera application to the foreground. Although the UI of S60 on the N85 has received some tweaks, getting to certain applications such as the camera fast is still important - the physical action of the lens cover is a good UI touch.

While the software interface hasn't necessarily changed on the N85, there's the change to the organic LED display, providing for a much brighter screen with a wider viewing angle. Take the N85 out for some outdoor shooting in bright sunlight (admittedly not a huge concern in Scotland) and you will be able to see the 'modern viewfinder' with ease - unlike some  previous (mainly non-Nokia) phones where you were shooting at shapes and making your best guess.

Colours are nice and bright, even when I take them (click through for full pic)

While carrying the now-mentioned-everywhere Carl Zeis lens, the N85 is not on a par with other 5 megapixel cameras in the Nseries range - there's a lot more to a camera than the sensor resolution, with both the CMOS light capturing chip and the software algorithms used making as much, if not more, of a difference to the final image. Its response in darkness was poor compared to other phones in the 'night' setting; and while the Dual LED flash is a step up from the single LED's on previous phones, the physics of an LED flash means the camera shutter needs to be open for longer, leading to a slight blurriness in any action shots.

With the N85 targeted towards the mass market, and ergo as low a unit build cost as possible, the addition of a Xenon flash, which would please camera fanatics, has probably been deemed too expensive both in fabrication costs and added complexity to the device, which is already in an amazingly small footprint (more on LED and Xenon flashes here).

Pushing the flash in a cinema (click through for full pic)

Colours on the pictures are vivid, especially when placed next to similar shots from other phones. This appears to be a result of the software used to process the pictures zapping up the colour saturation on the shots, which gives a wonderful feeling of richness to the pictures, but can, when colours are already very bright, lead to some overpowering touches on the camera (the extra colour from the OLED screen only serves to enhance this effect even more!). Zooming in on the images, the edges are a bit more broken up when compared to other camera shots which I'm going to put down to the improving Nokia software sitting on top of a mid priced CMOS.

This is born out when you look at the video recording on the N85, which, while a smooth 30 frames per second, does struggle to keep the rich colours on display. There's a touch more of a washed out look in these videos when compared to pictures taken in the same circumstances. My only concern would be the microphone pick-up in video can be a bit tinny, and certainly not as good a quality as when using the microphones on the N95, let alone the venerable N93.


Video on the N85 (via Flickr upload)

N85 video set in a picture

And a picture of the same area (click through for full pic)

But this again misses the target market of the N85. It's not a phone for audio/video professionals, it's for the man in the street, much as this is a tired marketing phrase - in the case of the N85, it's accurate. What it delivers on the camera front is strong and is definitely above average, and has enough simplicity for most while retaining enough settings and tweaks so the amateur photographers who do end up with this camera will not be disappointed.

Of course, media is not just about creating content, it's about consuming content as well, and the N85 scores here too. Again the package of applications will be familiar to S60 users, with the music player accessed from either the media key, or from an application icon. I've long argued on behalf of the interface that Nokia now use for the music player, with a top level menu guiding you to your choice of artists, albums, or your play lists. And when you do get into these lists, having an alpha-numeric keypad to help searching means that you'll get to your music collection a lot faster than on a regular MP3 player.

Before the iPhone/iPod Touch arrived, I would have said that the Nokia S60 application was the best mobile music browser - with touch enabled on the newer iPhones there's a certain ease of use that comes with sliding a finger down a list (as an aside, I've not yet tried the 5800's solution) but I would still rate the S60 player a strong overall second, and still the best for a key-based solution.

Nokia have added the idea of scrolling in the navi-wheel; running your fingers around the cursor ring will scroll your on-screen cursor. It's a workable solution, but impossible to switch on only for the music application. It's either on or off, and that's decided in the general settings. Unfortunately, not every S60 application uses the navi-wheel (including some of Nokia's own apps) so it's hit and miss if it's going to work in any application. It's also, frustratingly, either hyper accurate or as sluggish as John Sergeant on Strictly Come Dancing, and, as I keep switching it off because of this, I rarely have it available for the music application. It would be nice to have it running just in the music app, and I think it does add some ease of use in searching through music.

iPlayer on N85 iPlayer iplayer
Navigating Your Music Collection

Running a Bluetooth stereo audio profile means your hands-free stereo headphones can use the N85 with ease, and the inclusion of a (by now standard on Nseries devices) 3.5mm stereo socket means you can use your favourite listening device. Reproduction from the sound chip is accurate and clear, and on a par with pretty much every mid to high end digital audio player out there. The encoding you use on your music files is going to have a greater effect on your music collection than any defects here.

The loudspeaker on the N85 did leave me a touch disappointed. I've taken to using my phones as audio players when working around the house, and comparing the speakers on the N85 to other devices left the N85 lacking. It sounded flat, with little crispness once you got above about half volume. It's nothing more than average, and most other phones reproduce music much more cleanly.

The N85 provides another option in the FM transmitter. One of the more popular third party peripherals of recent times, the N85 has a small low powered FM transmitter that will relay whatever is playing out to any FM radio close by. You can select the frequency, so as long as you're within a few feet of a radio, you'll get your music on that sound system. It'[s a feature many will ignore, but for two scenarios I can see this being a great tool. The first is obviously for car drivers, and the second is when at a party. The N85 speaker won't suffice to fill a chattering room, but put it next to a suitably tuned in stereo, and the music on the phone will be happily shared. It's an old school solution, but works wonderfully.

iPlayer on N85 iPlayer iplayer
Podcasting and FM integrated in music player

Congrats also in the GUI as you can launch the FM transmitter from the menu when playing a track. This integration of the media-related applications is also seen in the Podcasting section - you have the option to jump to the Podcasting application (which is the only way to trigger new downloads) when you go to the menu while browsing your podcasts in the music player. Tying these applications back to the music player will help people discover and use them.

Video is well supported on the N85, with the old .3gp mobile standard sitting in there, but a huge range of other codecs available (e.g. flavours of MP4). As well as any videos you take on the built-in camera, you can copy over videos from your computer to watch on the screen. It's a touch small for watching a lot of video, but the H.264 codec is used in many MP4s and is an option in most video conversion programs so it shouldn't be too difficult

Unlike music (and specifically Nokia's Music Store), sourcing official video online has been a bit hit and miss. Yes Nokia, has YouTube Mobile (urgh - that low, low resolution) support, and that's been the main portal for online video in previous Nseries devices. The N85 has a trick up it's sleeve, though. The BBC iPlayer.

iPlayer on N85 iPlayer iplayer
BBC iPlayer with Download option for the N85

Admittedly only available for the UK user, but the iPlayer service, previously only available on the Nokia N96, used to stream most of the content broadcast by the BBC over the last 7 days, now has an added download component. You can download programs using the iPlayer widget (available at bbc.co.uk/iplayer) to your handset, and they'll be available to play in the main gallery or Video Centre at any point over the next thirty days. The restrictions (both time limited and geographically limited) are indicative of the minefield that is online video, but it's nice to see the N85 is sitting (alongside the N96) on the very bleeding edge of this.

The N85's media capabilities are at odds with the mid-range that Nokia are promoting it as aimed at. Yes, there are some elements that are partly compromised by the parts used, but while this would be unforgivable on a higher-end device, the positioning of the N85 means that these compromises are more understandable. And in all honesty you need to look hard to find them. For the user new to these features the N85 is going to be a revelation of media capabilities. So in that sense it has succeeded. There's enough here for old S60 users to consider it a worthwhile upgrade, and a huge amount of functionality for the new user.

That's a big thumbs up for the N85 then.

-- Ewan Spence, Dec 08

 

Review Discussion

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Unregistered
So what is the better device? The N85 or the N96? I also was considering the E71. I had a N73 a while back and an E61.... I am familiar with Nokia S60. This is quickly turning into the most difficult time I have ever had choosing a cell phone.
Unregistered
My personal choice is N96. I tried both for 2 days and I found N96 has a lot better D-pads, better camera, bigger screen (worse quality than N85 but no mean bad screen), (a lot)better speakers and OK battery life. I usually buy phones consider from gaming first so my choice goes to N96.
doonit
I know what winter sun :) is like up there in Scotland and, sorry, but that's no way to test that OLED screen in sunlight! Down here in Cape Town its high summer with clear blue sky and my N85's screen is totally 100% blank in full sun. Taking photos is completely hit and miss and I'm back to guessing who's calling when I answer. It's really bad but I'm prepared to forgive it because it's so truelly gorgeous indoors. I've used it to watch a couple of full length movies, something that I've tried on every S60 phone I've had, and the N85 excels. It's smooth and colourful and deep. The screen is quite small but its easy on the eyes.

I'm loving the FM transmitter and find that playing music and navigating at the same time in my car is a well integrated blast. I wish my calls would be routed through my car radio too. It could still use the phone's mic for that as it does if you use a regular headset or if you use TV out. I tried using the phones loudspeaker while busy with a call thinking that that might go through the FM transmitter but no such luck.
doonit
Sorry. Just thought I'd add that, while I agree with Ewan regarding the loudspeaker quality for music playback, they're actually rather good for movie audio playback. In a quiet place with the volume turned down or at full volume soundtracks and dialog are excellent and beat my best expectations
Unregistered
i heared that it takes ages to zoom in a picture while browsing the images library,,is that true ,,thanks
doonit
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i heared that it takes ages to zoom in a picture while browsing the images library,,is that true ,,thanks
I must say that it has been really quick to do everything so far, faster than my N82. But I've been finding bugs all over the place. I'm hoping that they will be addressed with the next firmware update. The web browser is the worst of them. It gets stuck all the time or just closes while loading pages. Thank god for Opera Mini! Text input doesn't always work, ie sometimes needs a restart. Sometimes while watching a video it will spontaneously start showing some evidently randomly chosen other video. And many others. I have Firmware v11,047
Unregistered
Is your phone a NAM? Where was it made?
Unregistered
I am pretty disappointed with this device. And the fact that I chose it to renew my plan on is even worse. The build quality it terrible, it creaks all over, dpad and surrounds feels cheap and the slider feels lousy too. It looks like quality has been compromised by choosing to make it so thin (for such a feature packed slider). I took it back and they said it's how the device is built. Shame on you Nokia.
Unregistered
It seems that the reviews on the N85 seem to be all over the map with build quality. Is it where the phone was made? Is it a specific model? I heard that the NAM version may have resolved some build issues... At this point in time I can't decide on the N85 or N96. I have also given the E71 some thought but it doesn't hit the multimedia area's like I would like.
MaterAos
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It seems that the reviews on the N85 seem to be all over the map with build quality. Is it where the phone was made? Is it a specific model? I heard that the NAM version may have resolved some build issues... At this point in time I can't decide on the N85 or N96. I have also given the E71 some thought but it doesn't hit the multimedia area's like I would like.
I was also choosing my current phone....from may!!!
In the beginning I was waiting for N96, then after a long time I thought of E90, then Xperia X1, then (May God forgive me) C905 and in the end I took N96.
Jeeves
I love the N85, it is a great step forward from my N95 and is certainly a viable (if not better) alternative to the N96. The build quality, however, is something you really need to check out before buying one. It varies from device to device so much! I had a China model that was squeaky all over the place and had a terrible "hardness" to the main face buttons. I since have had two Finland models and while both a lot more sturdy (the Finland model's charger is a lot nicer too!), one is certainly miles ahead of the other in terms of how squeaky it is. Give the phone a good once over before putting down the cash, if possible. Ask for a different one if it's not perfect!
Unregistered
I think it will be hard to try before I buy. I live in the LA area of California USA. I don't think there are many options for getting a good price and the ability to feel the phone before I buy it. It will most likely come from a small asian wireless store somewhere. I could get the best price online but that makes it a crap shoot as places like New Egg and Amazon are not going to even tell me if I am getting one from Asian or Finland
Unregistered
no complaints here. I ordered direct from Nokia, I live in the states and the N85 NAM has fabulous build quality. It has its flaws, but after using it for about 2 weeks, the phone is really growing on me and I like it better than the n95.
malerocks
Someone please answer this basic question for me - What is the NAM version about?
Unregistered
Mine comes from Nokia here in Cape Town, so I suppose it comes from Europe somewhere (EMEA). I was also worried about build quality before I got it but must say that, after a week and a half with it, it has no creaks and grinds and feels solid in the hand. The slider has the tiniest bit of play when open but not enough to concern me. If anything its a little too hard to slide down to get to the multimedia keys. The main buttons are a little stiff, too, but I've quickly gotten used to them. Biggest problem for me is that the photo capture key has no clearly defined stopper points for focus and then shutter. Feels kinda rubbery. Enjoying this phone immensely
neilhoskins
Ewan, what's your view on the graphics chip debate wrt the N85?
Unregistered
NAM = North american Market.

I am weighing up the N85 as a possible N95 replacementm but I am not convinced. I may well end up with a 6600 Slide, I will miss the WiFi but that is all I will miss.
malerocks
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I may well end up with a 6600 Slide, I will miss the WiFi but that is all I will miss.
6600 slide is not a symbian phone or even a smart phone. Its a regular Nokia feature phone. Are you sure you want to do that - especially after using a smartphone?
Unregistered
I posted earlier about being disappointed with my N85. I am in Australia and the phone has only been out for a few weeks here. Most N Series here are now made in China (my N82, N78 and N85 were) while my N95 8Gb was made in South Korea. I put some tape behind the slide at each end to stop the wobble and that pretty much works but nothing can really stop the creaks and cheap feeling of the front controls.
Unregistered
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6600 slide is not a symbian phone or even a smart phone. Its a regular Nokia feature phone. Are you sure you want to do that - especially after using a smartphone?
Yes. I will miss WiFi but that's all I'll miss.
Unregistered
I disagree about iphone / ipod touch controls being better for the music player. finding the song I want in a few clicks is way faster than scrolling and scrolling, ad inifinitum. I carry a ton of music with me, so I really need to filter down music to find what I want.
Unregistered
Here are some interesting notes:
The microphone on the n85 is behind the screen, so when shooting video make sure to slide the screen to expose the media buttons, and the mic will be aiming your subject. That is a huge step forward from the n95's mic that aimed to the side.

on the flip side

I've noticed that the n85 (nam) doesn't respond well to manually adjusting camera controls. Setting the iso to low (for less noise, but you have to hold it steadier) will not increase the amount the shutter is opened, like it does on the N95. so i've found dark pictures are worse than the n95... which is crazy since the dual led flash should be a big help.

The feature pack 2 has also affected how zooming works too look at pics on the phone. the pic will zoom, but not refresh the resolution as quick as the n95.

I'd recommend nokia's image exchage as a photo viewer. Just zoom out a click and you can skim though many images quickly
dlff
Over the past 3 years or so, I had own numerous N series phones:-
N90, N73, N70, N80E, N95, N95/8GB,N82, N96, N79 & N85.
I would not touch on the earlier N series models like the 90, 70 & 80 as there are already obsolete in my opinion.
In my opinon, the N85 is the best all in one phone.
You cannot find much glaring flaws in the N85.
One must bear in mind that there is no such thing as the best phone in the world. Every phone has its pros & cons so to speak.
I would even go as far to say that is better than the N96.
N96's battery is weak & built-quality not up to par.
In many ways is too similar to the N95/8GB but N95/8GB's battery & built-quality are much better.
Also I find that the N96 is rather bulky for a mobile phone.
N82 very similar to the N85 but the key pad is not as practical as the N85.
As for the N85, the size & weight feel just right in my hand and the cost factor is reasonable.
The only problem (a common one with OLED screen) I have is the OLED screen which is a complete washout under sun. For indoor use, it beats the 16M TFT screen flat.
I have never like the N7x series. I find that the N73 too laggy in every way & the N79's call & end keys too small.
I have a 6220C as well and I dare say that it has most if not all of the N series phone's functions. This phone has a lot of substance in it apart from the design and cheap plastic casing.
Last but not least, there is no denying that over the years Nokia has slowly but surely improved the N series.
Unregistered
I was very pleased with my n85 for about 2 weeks.Then the navi wheel stopped working and i noticed there was a little crack right under the navi wheel .I called nokia and i have to rma it.
Which is great but is this going to happen again.I found a few posts on the net with people reporting the same problem.Does nokia need to beef up the n85 and do a recall.
Unregistered
N85: same vertical crack for mine after 1.5 months...
I've got mine from HK. Tomorrow going to fix it.
And I've seen Nokia Care for call sound dropping to a whisper and back to normal few weeks ago. I've seen Nokia care TWICE for same problem as first time they weren't able to fix it.
AAAnd is crackling and wobbling when typing a message...
VERY poor built quality for those money....

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