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Nokia N85 Review - pt 1 - The Hardware

Published by Ewan Spence at 15:28 UTC, December 1st 2008 under Hardware in S60 3rd Edition|| 17 Comments / Post New Comment

Ewan starts his review of the Nokia N85...

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Nokia's N85 is a curious beast. The specifications of the device, with a 5 megapixel Carl Zeiss-equipped camera, a super bright and colourful OLED 2.6 inch screen, dual LED flash, Wi-Fi connectivity and MicroSD card support for storage put it squarely in the territory of the top line Nseries devices such as the N96 (and the previous flagship N95 8GB).

Side by side to the N95 8GB, the N85 looks modern, light, svelte, and a touch sexy. Its styling is actually one of the best elements of the device. At no point while looking at the device does it scream 'smartphone' or 'massively complicated' to the user. It has a subtle, understated look that looks perfectly at home on the prow of a yacht on the French Riviera or the dashboard of a Golf GTi, screaming across the roundabouts of Milton Keynes.

OLED viewing angle

That's down to three main issues - the size, the colour, and the face buttons. Starting with the size, this is one of the thinnest S60 'dual slider' phones on the market, and it fits comfortably in the hand, thanks to the slightly trapezoidal shape with a taper towards the rear of the device. Pick up the N85 and you'll discover a lightweight phone that only few years ago would have been labelled as 'tiny and super light'.

Construction feels solid, although on my review unit (which is a commercial version, not the pre-release unit we've looked at previously on All About Symbian) the friction on the two directions of the slider is different - you need a little bit more force when sliding the screen down (to reveal the combined MP3 and A/B gaming buttons) when compared to moving it up to get the numerical keypad. It's not a widely reported issue, and it could just be that I have a suspiciously strong thumb from doing thumb wrestling to an Olympic standard in my youth.

N85 Open

It's rare to touch on the colour of a device, but the dual tone of the N85 works really well in making it a less threatening device. The sides and rear of the device are a strange chameleon-like mix of red and brown, but it works really well, looks fashionable but still business like. The face of the N85 is the shiny black plastic that we've seen many times before on the new Nseries devices.

And boy does it attract fingerprints, Because of the nature of the slider, you're going to regularly have a massive thumb print on the middle of the screen. It's easily cleared by a quick swipe of the same thumb across it. More annoyingly, after finishing a call the screen picks up enough gunk (at least from my skin) on the screen that on many occasions the screen looked a bit like a magic eye picture - squint hard and you could make out the desktop underneath the myriad of colours. After a short call, it's not hugely noticeable, but anything over about 5-10 minutes and I was having to clean the screen when I hung up.

Part of this could be down to the new technology in the screen. The N85 uses OLED (Organic Light Emitting Diode) technology. This is (in short) a way to use organic compounds painted onto the electronic framework of the screen; and these have the benefit of glowing far brighter than traditional LCD displays - so bright that they don't need a backlight - that means the power consumption of the screen goes waaaaay down, which is a good thing on a mobile device.

I suspect this is the primary reason for using OLED, but the extra benefits of a much richer colour to the screen helps when watching media or playing games. I recently reviewed Car Jack Streets on the N95 8GB, and running it side by side on the N85 and the difference in colour was easy to spot - the red sports car suddenly stopped feeling like a Renault Megane with a spoiler, but looked like the sort of flamboyant red Italian cars that teenagers in the 80s used to have framed on their bedroom wall.

One little advantage to the screen that I particularly liked is that because pixels are always 'lit up', the small digital clock on the standby screen is always glowing - very useful during the night, and something that makes the device feel a lot more personable.

Right then, how about the actual physical interface of the buttons? I've been known on previous occasions to complain about the styling Nokia is using over the new Ndevices, starting with the N81, but having used the N85 for a week now can I say that I think Nokia have improved this area.

Starting with the face buttons when the slider is closed, the panel with the call buttons has the four main buttons at each corner, allowing it to act like a small rocker (although there is very little movement apart from the point of contact). The soft keys are at the top, while the Home key and Clear/Delete keys are along the bottom. Even with the (thankfully now smaller) quick access media button, there's no mis-keying or trying to hit one key and hitting the other. These face buttons work, and work well.

Which is more than can be said for the cursor keys.

I have no idea why Nokia can't get the cursor keys right on each device - it's so utterly hit and miss both in practice and in execution. There have been a number of Nokia S60 devices that have an instantly usable cursor key (the N95 and E61i spring to mind), and there are some that have been total disasters. While I wouldn't rate the N85 in the sheer terror category, it does not feel as accurate as I think it should be.

I'm consistently failing to get the 'up' key to be pressed without also hitting the highly domed central action button. Now my thumbs may not be the most perfect in the world, but there must be a number of guitarists in the world who are better than me that have just as long a thumbnail as I do, because that's what is getting in the way.

Will this improve over time? I suspect so, as muscle memory kicks in, but it's been a whole week with the N85 now and I'm still having trouble, and more importantly having to consciously focus on making sure I make that 'up' key press accurate. It might seem a small thing, but playing games when you don't have an accurate control system is a nightmare - the aforementioned Car Jack Streets is almost uncontrollable, thanks to this. Not a good sign when the N85 is one of the first handsets with N-Gage installed out of the box.

The number-pad is also very similar to the N81 and, while it does feel like an improvement, I don't have an N81 here to do a direct comparision, but text input is fast and accurate - putting in text while focussing on the screen and not the keys is easily done. Each key feels distinct, even though this is a solid sheet of plastic with just some raised etchings to help guide your fingers and the actual keys under the plastic. It's likely to be cheaper on the bill of materials than having a lot of separate keys, as the N95 8GB has, but in use there's little difference between the two units.

N85 Top   N85 keypad

The top has a 3.5mm audio/TV jack - the slide-out numeric keypad

All told, the N85 is a well constructed piece of kit, and like any consumer device you need time to get used to all the foibles of it. The fact that I can pick up only one that is causing some teething troubles is testament to a well thought out device. On the hardware front, there's little to complain about on the N85.

In the next part of the review, I'll be taking a look at the tweaks to S60 and the multimedia capabilities of the N85, including the camera hardware for photos and video. Rafe also looked at the N85 in a previous All About Symbian preview.

-- Ewan Spence, Dec 2008

 

Review Discussion

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Unregistered
N85 N96
Audio Themes x
USB Charge x
Nokia Std.Charg x
Navi Wheel x
DVB-H x
Graphic Acc x
Dual Proc x
Internal SD x
Accu 1200mAh 950mAh
Camera Cover x
Front Sensor x
FM Transmitter x
HW Decoder MP4 ? x
+/- Map Keys x very nice feature to zoom in and out of maps
???
KamHo
Quote:
One little advantage to the screen that I particularly liked is that because pixels are always 'lit up', the small digital clock on the standby screen is always glowing - very useful during the night...
I have read something to this effect several times now but have been unable to get my the clock on my N85 standby screen to operate in this way. The screen goes completely black. Any idea what setting I might need to change?
pennas
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Originally Posted by KamHo View Post
I have read something to this effect several times now but have been unable to get my the clock on my N85 standby screen to operate in this way. The screen goes completely black. Any idea what setting I might need to change?
Settings / General / Personalisation / Themes / Power Saver

.. and select your chosen screensaver. I'm using the 'Now Playing' one, which gives you the time, along with either the current music player track, or the date if no music is playing.

I love this feature!
KamHo
pennas,

Thanks. I was misinterpreting what the selection screen meant!:rolleyes:
neilhoskins
"...dashboard of a Golf GTi, screaming across the roundabouts of Milton Keynes..."
Blimey, Ewan, you must be as old as me to remember that. But in my case it was a 205GTi.
Jaclu
What really disturbs me on this phone is that whenever you connect with cable to your computer to charge the battery, you are also "mounting" the external memory to the computor, thereby blocking all phone access from the memory.

This stops the media player and prevents you from updating your podcasts whilst charging the battery.

I really wish that the next firmware would include an option where it was possible to charge battery from computer without actually connecting to the computor in any data-mode, in addition to PC Suite and various other data connections an option "battery charge only" would be handy.

Since 95% of the time I connect to my computer I only want to charge up - normally I do all my normal syncs over BT, only once in a seldom when I want to change music I actually want USB access to my mem card.
neilhoskins
Jaclu has raised a very important issue. One infuriating thing about the podcasting app is that if you're in data transfer mode while it's trying to download, it switches to putting podcasts on the phone memory rather than the SD card. You then find you're running out of memory and have to root around in the settings to put it back.
marketsqhero
Will someone please explain how to get the date/time & clock to stay on permanently?

Mine goes off after about 30 minutes...
Unregistered
Has anyone been able to get USB charging to work in the car. I've tried several USB adapters for my car and when I plug in my N85 it turns on and displays a static battery icon but will not charge!!

I am on the road all day and this means that I can't use my FM transmitter for fear that my battery won't last the whole day... This is very annoying!!...
Unplugged
Will it not connect in PC Suite mode?
davesmith
from the All About Symbian N79 review it said that it wasn't as fast as the N95, e.g. playing Mobitubia.
Is this the same case with the N85? as I thought these 2 phones were identical processors etc. (I am looking to finally replace my N95)
gilcomnz
Like the most of the people that read this blog, are quite technicially minded & would just love this phone. I have previously had most of the N Series models & a couple of iPhones BUT the features of the N85 are just amazing. Sure, it has all the "normal" features you would expect in a N series phone but when combining the FM transmitter with the builtin music player & voice Nav on Nokia Maps, Its just wicked. I hoped in the car this morning & activated the FM transmitter to my car radio & started playing my music playlist & then started Nokia Maps & enetered a destination & away I went happy As !!!. The turn by turn nav instructions now come over the music playing on the car radio, beautifily clear. This little phone gives you the features of an expensive in car Nav system.

DESTINATIONS - I also use the VOIP client in the phone & has taken me a while to get to grips with the new DESTINATIONS option in FP2. I know it's very logical in theory but I had the problem of when I left my WIFI & the phone needed to access the 3G network, it would bloody prompt me every time unit I worked out you can edit the 3G connection & set to Automatic & now it works seemlesly.

THANKS - To the AAS guys over there in the UK. I learn so much form the AAS podcast & this site.

NOKIA N85 HIGHLY RECOMMENDED if you dont mind a slightly smaller screen & T9.
Unregistered
No one speak about the very bad slide of the N85 ?
It's so loose that It seam that after some press of the upper part of the phone, when the slide was open, it will separete from the rest of the phone !
A very very bad feeling for a phone that it cost more that 400€ !

Luca
Unregistered
Here is what I found to be bad in N85 after one month of use (migrated off the N95, also used N82, E90 recently).

1. Speakers inferior to those in N95 and N82. Please understand me right, N85's speakers are quite loud and clear for listening podcasts or when used as a speakerphone. Just don't try to play music through them. Compared to N95, you'll get no bass at all, and if your volume is more than 70% you'll get distortions. If you try to boost the bass in the equalizer, you'll simply get more distortions. I actually returned the first phone because of that issue just to discover that the second one sounded exactly the same. I guess this is because of a much smaller size of these speakers.

2. USB charging is great if it weren't so picky about the adapters. I bought two for the car and none works. Also, plugging it into the computer with no PC Suite installed always starts driver search, etc, etc.

3. OLED screen looks gorgeous indoor but try reading it outside on the sunny day. It's not just difficult, it is impossible.

4. Camera button is as bad as in E90. Impossible to half-press.

5. Slider. Very smooth to open the numeric keypad but very scratchy feel when opening the multimedia buttons.

6. Lack of the second processor to amend with video processing is clearly visible. Just point you camera in the image mode to something, focus and then pan from side to site. The image will flicker like crazy as the phone struggles to update it. On N95 and N82 you don't see that, it's all silky smooth. I'm yet to discover if this is the only manifestation of this but I'm afraid it is not. I don't play games so I can't comment on that.
Unregistered
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4. Camera button is as bad as in E90. Impossible to half-press.


6. Lack of the second processor to amend with video processing is clearly visible. Just point you camera in the image mode to something, focus and then pan from side to site. The image will flicker like crazy as the phone struggles to update it. On N95 and N82 you don't see that, it's all silky smooth. I'm yet to discover if this is the only manifestation of this but I'm afraid it is not. I don't play games so I can't comment on that.
Sounds like you got a bad sample, mine is easy to "half-press", sure it's a bit hard now in the beginning, but I've only had it for a few days. The "GPU"-chip on the N95 is only used in a very small number of games so it shouldn't affect the camera at all, mine is as responsive as it should be, try updating your phone unless you've done that already.
Unregistered
This may be a bit off topic but I was wondering does the n85 have the metal membrane that helps increase the OLED lifetime
machimshin
I had no problems with half pressing camera button on MINE E90.

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