AAS Insight 83 - Nokia - Microsoft, Q2 and E55

Two remarks:
1. Market share is just half of the picture. Profit is the other half. What's really remarkable about Apple is not just that it has gained market share, but that it managed to do it with a high-end device with a high profit margin. Nokia has managed to limit its market share losses thanks to low-end and mid-range devices like the 5800 which have rather low profit margin. This explains why Goldman is so pessimistic about Nokia's financial outlook.
2. SymNC allows you to do WiFi file sharing between phones (and your computer too!), although for a price. Nokia owns the SymSMB code copyrights (it turns out that the two programmers who wrote SymSMB did so while they were Nokia's employees, so by contract Nokia and not Telexy owns the rights to the software). Why doesn't Nokia add SMB client/server capabilities to its phones, using the SymSMB code?

Any one else having difficulty getting this podcast from iTunes and Nokia's Podcasting application? Neither program can download..

Yarp, there's a problem with the RSS media link. It is currently: http://mediafiles.allaboutsymbian.co...090817_144.mp3 and it should be: http://mediafiles.allaboutsymbian.co...090817_145.mp3

You can download via the second link, though this doesn't fix things via the Podcasting app, etc. (iTunes as well, I assume).

Who have told you that "Nokia owns the SymSMB code copyrights"?
I have contacted Nokia about SymSMB and you can do it too!
I've got a reply that with everything related to SymSMB I should contact www.telexy.com

SymSMB Now Owned By Nokia
SymSMB - Now under Nokia Licence, but at what cost?

^^^
It is a matter of who do you trust more. Do you trust some rumors or the official information? There is no any official information from Nokia to confirm your suggestion. By the way it is clearly answering your question on "why doesn't Nokia add SMB client/server capabilities to its phones". Because they do not own. As I told you, ask Nokia and their Customer Care will provide clear answer for you.

Good example. Look at the topic of this thread, when Nokia and Microsoft do have something to say, they both have the official information on both website accordingly.

If tomorrow some website or forum would publish the information that Nokia is owning a technology for mobile underwater communications and at the same time the official Nokia's representative will tell that there is no such ownership, who would you trust, rumors or the official information?

Exactly. Do I trust (a) an official statement from Telexy, posted on their website, emailed by Telexy to all registered SymSMB users, and being reported by many Nokia-centric websites, or (b) some random forum dude, who claims that somehow got hold of a Nokia representative in the middle of the night (it was late night here in Europe when I posted my first message, and early in the morning when I posted the reply) and asked him? I don't know about you, but I'd go with (a).

Have now fixed the RSS feed....

Please do not confuse the facts with your own assumptions.
Example 1.
In Email that I've received from Telexy they were saying that they are "happy to assist" and you have decided that this means that ownership is changed.
It is not. Assistance doesn't mean the change of the ownership. Probably, is it reasonable assumptions, that is why I have contacted Nokia about this to make it clear.
In the same Email they say that one side is demanded something from another side. But what is the result? Anyone could demand from Microsoft copyright for Windows Vista, but what is the result at the end of the day?
Where is the official statement about acquiring? Someone have tried to get it. It didn't happened. This is all there is.
If any doubt, you could contact both companies. I did it, but you don't. Contact Nokia and ask them that you need copy of this software and licence transfer for the register software owner. Post their official reply here and we will see who is the official software owner. End of the story.
Example 2.
You are assuming that I have contacted Nokia today. It is you own assumption. The fact is that I have contacted Nokia about this issue somewhere in October/November of 2008 and the second time in January/ February 2009. At that time it was already discussed here at AAS,
see for yourself at this page: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/forum...=symsmb&page=3

Lets stop this off-topic. You think that it belongs to one side, so be it, go and get it there.

As for your unlimited trust to many websites [UNOFFICIAL].
Here is another rumor spread by websites:
Nokia To Abandon Symbian For Maemo?
Nokia: Should It Abandon Symbian, Buy Palm?

Here is the official statement quoted from Nokia's representative:
Nokia remains strongly committed to Symbian OS

Man, it is the Internet. Anyone can post whatever they like. Including you and me! :)
That is why there are official websites and the official information.

BlackN91, quit embarrassing yourself. The official statement from Telexy (definitely not a rumor!), which was posted in November on their company website, and that at the time I read with my own two eyes, is quoted verbatim and in its entirety on the second link I provided. Have you read it? Are you even capable of parsing English sentences? In it, not only they admit that they don't own the rights to SymSMB, and hope that Nokia in the future will integrate that code in their OS, but they also explain in detail the legal reasons why they don't own the code. Namely, that the developers who wrote it at the time were full-time Nokia employers, and that their employment contract contained a clause (this too quoted in the statement) that said "All Proprietary Property which Employee may develop in the course of employment with Company, whether alone or jointly with others, shall be the exclusive property of company...''. Do you understand what being "the exclusive property of Nokia" means? If not, find someone who can explain it to you.
It's clear that, after consulting with a Customer Care guy who was as clueless as you were on the situation (and how could he be otherwise? They're there to answer technical questions, they don't work for Nokia's legal department) and coming to the wrong conclusions, you're now trying to save face; but in this case you can't, so please STFU.
Edit: here's the official statement from Telexy, which was posted on the company's homepage in November, so that anybody with an understanding of the English language can read it and make his/her own mind on what it means:

Thanks for the quote, I was looking for that. Finally. Now all is clear.
Do yourself a favor, get the dictionary and check the difference between these two words: "demanded" and "acquired". This is the key, breathe deep and try to concentrate on this!
Probably the example could make it easier for you. Read slowly and compare these two sentences:
1. Rvirga has demanded all rights for Windows Vista.
2. Rvirga has acquired all rights for Windows Vista.

Can you see the difference? Let me explain it in the simple terms. In one case you are nobody, in other case you are at least multi-millionaire.

:) You make me laugh.
You are assuming that the ownership for one company could be solely based on some Email or Web publication made by other company. Since when, may I ask?
You are asking: "Why doesn't Nokia add SMB client/server capabilities to its phones, using the SymSMB code?"
Ask Nokia, why not? Have you tried? What is the answer?
Go and get it right from "your" owner. Ask right department. Then tell me something new. In mean time, help yourself, read again about facts and assumptions, you didn't get it from the first time. Unless you are providing the official information from any department that you consider appropriate, let me ignore your posts as a factless. Of course, I prefer to see the direct original quote from "your owner" instead of your personal explanations.

Yes, absolutely. And also move 'Zig', for great justice. :rolleyes:

I also don't see any reason why I am not able to re-download my purchases on the Ovi Store. Surprisingly so do the people I talked to at Ovi Store Customer Support. The also told me

Additionally despite the fact that the user you are refering to was unable to get his apps back, I had quite a different experience. I had absolutely no problems getting my apps back.

Funny how Steve hated on the M600 and P1 (excellent) "half qwerty" keyboards and now seems to love similar Nokia approach...

I agree on the p1i keyboard. It is the one thing I truly miss from that phone. It would be on any phone too small for a full qwerty if I had a say in things. It took a few days to get used to. But once I had it dialled in it rocked. And unless you have very fat fingers I say if you don't like it you haven't used it enough. Of course a full qwerty is still preferred but it is a good second.

Jesus Christ, give it a rest why don't you....

I would love to see a phone like the n86 with a slideout keyboard like the E55 and a touchscreen. This could have the best of all worlds in a small form factor.