All About Symbian - Nokia (S60) and Sony Ericsson (UIQ) smartphones unwrapped

Go Back   All About Symbian Forums > News and Comments > Series 60

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes

  #1  
Old 13-06-2008, 03:22 PM
Ewan's Avatar
Ewan Ewan is offline
Ye Olde Administratorium
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 2,988
Ewan is a splendid one to beholdEwan is a splendid one to beholdEwan is a splendid one to beholdEwan is a splendid one to beholdEwan is a splendid one to beholdEwan is a splendid one to behold
The Hardware and Connectivty: Rafe's Nokia N78 Review (part one)

Rafe's been taking a long look at the Nokia N78, the recently released 'entry-level' handset into the world of Nseries. Intended as a replacement for the N73, the N78 brings together many of Nokia's Ovi elements, alongside the latest software in S60 v3 Feature Pack 2. In this first part of an extensive review, he examines the hardware and connectivity options in the mono-block handset.

Read on in the full article.

  #2  
Old 13-06-2008, 03:47 PM
kflyer's Avatar
kflyer kflyer is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 23
kflyer is on a distinguished road
GPS, Music Player and Battery

How faster is a GPS lock? Has the Music Player been improved? Can it automatically add new tracks now? Did you check the battery consumption with Energy Profiler? How does it compete with other devices?

  #3  
Old 13-06-2008, 04:16 PM
cabbageshop cabbageshop is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 11
cabbageshop is on a distinguished road
Great review, look forward to the next part!

BTW
the BL-6F is 1200mAh not 2100

  #4  
Old 13-06-2008, 04:34 PM
Unregistered
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Question Spooner

Big question for UK users - does it WiFi stream bbc radio ? If not can one get extra software to do that ?

  #5  
Old 13-06-2008, 04:45 PM
Unregistered
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
N-Gage?

I have the N78-3 but it doesn't come with N-Gage software and I can't download it from the site? Any ideas of when they'll release a N-Gage app for the N78?

  #6  
Old 13-06-2008, 06:15 PM
Rafe's Avatar
Rafe Rafe is offline
Founder / Chief
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Sussex
Posts: 6,084
Rafe is a glorious beacon of lightRafe is a glorious beacon of lightRafe is a glorious beacon of lightRafe is a glorious beacon of lightRafe is a glorious beacon of lightRafe is a glorious beacon of light
Quote:
Originally Posted by kflyer View Post
How faster is a GPS lock? Has the Music Player been improved? Can it automatically add new tracks now? Did you check the battery consumption with Energy Profiler? How does it compete with other devices?
Some of these will get addressed more fully in part 2, but in brief. GPS lock - quick e.g. I went to London the other day started Nokia Maps and was locked on in around 10 seconds.

Yes music player automatically detects new tracks (for downloads and sync via Nokia sofware / WMP anyway. Outside of that music player is similar (though podcasting has now been better integrated).

Battery consumption is improved in S60 3.2 (I think), but this is quite subjective and depends on how you use the device. Good idea bout energy profiler. I was thinking about doing some benchmarks and I'll add this to the list.

Quote:
Great review, look forward to the next part!

BTW
the BL-6F is 1200mAh not 2100
Thanks - I've corrected that - guess my fingers slipped while typing Will get the next part up as soon as possible. There's a number of software changes that will interest a number of people.

Quote:
Big question for UK users - does it WiFi stream bbc radio ? If not can one get extra software to do that ?
Yes it does. I've set this up using RealPlayer. But it does not work in the background which annoys me. (i.e. it stops streaming if you switch away from RealPlayer). There's Internet Radio too, but this uses ShoutCast streams which the BBC does not - handy for Virgin Radio though.

Related to this - it does not work with iPlayer. This isn't really Nokia's fault - the BBC need to fix this (its to do with the way they load flash video files I think). Really though they should make the H.264 videos available for Nseries devices as they do for the iPod Touch / iPhone. No excuse given there is a much bigger base of such users.

Quote:
I have the N78-3 but it doesn't come with N-Gage software and I can't download it from the site? Any ideas of when they'll release a N-Gage app for the N78?
I've not heard anything precise or official, but I understand it wont be long now. If I had to guess I would say it will be sometime in (early) July. There's going to be a number of S60 3.2 devices so they'll want to sort it asap.
__________________
Remember: The search command is your friend.
Feedback wanted: PM, email or post with your suggestions, complaints, feedback.
Ads

  #7  
Old 13-06-2008, 07:29 PM
hargs48 hargs48 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 227
hargs48 is on a distinguished road
How speedy is the UI compared to a fresh N82?

  #8  
Old 13-06-2008, 07:47 PM
Unregistered
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Great review so far

Definitely the most detailed one I've read, and it's only part one! Can't wait for the rest, thanks!

  #9  
Old 13-06-2008, 07:52 PM
Unregistered
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
usa

When, if ever, is this coming to at&t? I don't want to spend $500 just to avoid a contract when I'll probably keep my service for that long anyway

  #10  
Old 13-06-2008, 07:58 PM
sblue sblue is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 2
sblue is on a distinguished road
After having an N78 for a few days, I've noticed some things...

1. Build quality: Really great, it has a solid feel with thin gaps all around... really a nicely made phone, better than my N82, that has some strange gaps around the LCD lens and some sticky function keys... and better than my kinda-creaky n95.8gb... i would have to say almost on par with the tank-solid E90 (but made of plastic of course). It really feels much smaller than the N82, almost like a slightly thicker more multimedia centered E51. The LCD on my N82 broke twice the lens flexes so much, the N78 feels MUCH sturdier.

2. Nokia re-shuffled the punctuation characters, so when entering text, the punctuation is different! So on previous S60 phones it'll be .,?! and the n78 is .,'? etc... not a deal breaker, but something new to learn for us dyed in the wool s60 texters... and very annoying for those of us that carry other S60 phones around.

3. The gallery application ONLY works in landscape, after coming from an N95.8/N82 where you have autorotation/slide rotation it's kind of annoying to have to flip the phone over just to view the gallery... and strangely when you choose to send a file, it goes back to vertical...but if you send a photo right after taking it from the "after shot preview" menu it all stays horizontal...FW fix? I hope so...

4. Navi-Wheel is inconsistent! Some menus where you expect it to be implemented it isn't, like say in the settings menu, where it's all long lists, it doesn't work! It would be great to say navi-around the lists, then hit a direction key to change tabs, but again like when sending a file, and when choosing how, with mms/bluetooth etc..it works in the tiny pop-up. I haven't had many mis-presses when selecting things because of the navi-wheel but it's happened a few times. Hopefully... more FW fixes.

5. Camera is AVERAGE to GOOD... but, I was hoping the camera would be as good as the K800/K810s from SE (am I allowed to say that here? hehehe) but instead it's just a bit better than the E90. It has a pretty good LED flash, but the sensor isn't nearly as good as the N95/N82 twins... maybe if they had the 3.2 sensor gain up just a bit more in dim situations it would be more usable,and just a touch more noise reduction in night/night portrait mode.

6. NO VOIP client built in, and I can't get fring or talkonaut to work right now... maybe after they upgrade their clients to work on FP3. I really feel screwed by nokia in this respect. Why would they remove it on any Nseries device? It makes no sense. I've always thought the Nseries was the best they could make a phone, and to have it removed is nonsense. Especially since we all know it's just software! Admittedly Not everyone uses VOIP for their calls, and I can see it if the carrier locked N78s didn't have it, the carriers have to have their say, but for an carrier-unlocked, full-price openline unit... really unforgivable. HOPEFULLY a FW upgrade will add this feature... Can anyone up at AAS HQ ask their secret contacts to see if nokia has plans to add this? I'll probably sell my 2day old N78 just because of this.

7. The transitions are useless... but pretty. hahaha! The screen-rotation animation could be speeded up. Oh, and the horseshoe and V shaped main menus are just strange and impractical. The vertical scrollbar for activestandby was a nice thought but I couldn't find a way to change the shortcuts (i didn't look very hard)

8. The memory speed is fantastic. It accesses the memory card very very very quickly. I was shocked at how fast it was when moving files around using the file manager. Really good work on this front. Hopefully nokia cookie-cutters that bit of code onto the higher S60 devices that most of us already have.

9. The browser seems much faster! I'm not sure if it's just me but it just feels snappier. No tabbed browsing (still)

10. Marking pictures used to be done just holding the # key or the Pencil key and moving the direction button, now it's in a menu!? why? it was FINE the old way, another case of "if it ain't broke don't fix it" i think. Especially since in this "new" and "improved" phone you have your phone rotated to the left. makes it a chore marking and unmarking pix (maybe i'm just being picky, but an annoyance nonetheless).

11. Really a BRIGHT CONTRASTY and beautiful screen, i was a little bit worried about mobile-reviews comment that it was the same screen as the N82, it sure doesn't LOOK the same, the N82 looks kinda washed out whereas the N78 is really fantastic.


There's my list of observations! Hopefully someone at AAS Hq can help me find an answer to my VOIP dilemma! Hope this post was useful! It's my first!

  #11  
Old 13-06-2008, 09:48 PM
Rafe's Avatar
Rafe Rafe is offline
Founder / Chief
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Sussex
Posts: 6,084
Rafe is a glorious beacon of lightRafe is a glorious beacon of lightRafe is a glorious beacon of lightRafe is a glorious beacon of lightRafe is a glorious beacon of lightRafe is a glorious beacon of light
sblue - Great list - I agree with pretty much everything on there. The navi-wheel bother me less because I only really use it on longer lists. The sensitvity is getting tweaked in the first firmware, maybe they'll add some extra locations it works in too.

Transitions - I'd recommend turning them off myself

Its not just you on the browser, it seem fast rendering to me too. And yes marking items in photos - especially as the old # stuff works fine in other apps. Photos is an improvement over gallery, but there are quite a few annoyances (e.g. same as you mentioned on screen orientation but when adding tags).

With regards to VoIP - yes I noticed this too (after some pointed it out to me) - I've actually added a short paragraph to the review about this (thanks for giving me the reminder). The problem is the removal of the Internet Telephone application which most VoIP service built there offerings on (or could be used with most generic service if set up properly).

I agree its not good at all that it has been removed and will be trying to find out more. It particularly bad to remove it from unbranded phones. There are some suggestions that it will get added back in FP2 later, but whether firmware updates for the N78 is provided is open to debate. See this post on FN for more.

p.s. we dont have any secret contacts (honest!), but we will see what we can learn through the usual channels
__________________
Remember: The search command is your friend.
Feedback wanted: PM, email or post with your suggestions, complaints, feedback.

  #12  
Old 13-06-2008, 09:50 PM
Rafe's Avatar
Rafe Rafe is offline
Founder / Chief
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Sussex
Posts: 6,084
Rafe is a glorious beacon of lightRafe is a glorious beacon of lightRafe is a glorious beacon of lightRafe is a glorious beacon of lightRafe is a glorious beacon of lightRafe is a glorious beacon of light
Quote:
How speedy is the UI compared to a fresh N82?
I'd say faster (but then I found the N82 quite nippy). With the caveat you need to turn transitions off. Some apps still take a second or two to start (e.g. Nokia Maps), but most of them are instant. Web is better for example.

Quote:
When, if ever, is this coming to at&t? I don't want to spend $500 just to avoid a contract when I'll probably keep my service for that long anyway
Nothing official yet I'm afraid to say. AT&T really should carry this phone IMHO.
__________________
Remember: The search command is your friend.
Feedback wanted: PM, email or post with your suggestions, complaints, feedback.

  #13  
Old 14-06-2008, 12:03 AM
Ratkat's Avatar
Ratkat Ratkat is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Pompey
Posts: 680
Ratkat is on a distinguished road
What on earth were Nokia thinking about removing the Internet Telephone application from the N78 and apparently the N96 also, basically disabling all Sip based services such as Truphone, Sipgate and Gizmo.
This is a serious error on Nokia's part, you gave us the function in the N80IE, N95 and N82 etc, encourage us to download and use Gizmo etc, then remove it.
I can't type what I feel about Nokia at the moment, but needless to say it is a great way for you to lose customers, I use Sipgate daily, when I am in my office it is connected permanently.
It was the one function that has really tied me to the S60 devices in the last couple of years, and from what I hear from a friend at Nokia UK, it has been removed from the mass-market N-Series devices at the request of the operators, Forthcoming E-Series devices aimed at business will keep the function.
__________________
Symbian Phone History: 7650, P800, P900, N-Gage, 7610, 6630, 6680, N70 x 3, N80, 5500, N95, N95 8GB, E51, N82, E71, 5800x5, E75, N97, E52, N97 Mini, N8 Currently using: a busted E71 (as a voip phone)



Cost Effective Web Design Nximedia

  #14  
Old 14-06-2008, 12:39 AM
kflyer's Avatar
kflyer kflyer is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 23
kflyer is on a distinguished road
<b>Rafe</b>, the new Energy Profiler (v1.1) is better than any benchmark on network and battery performance. It now checks your upload and download speeds, signal strength, processor memory, energy etc. too.

  #15  
Old 14-06-2008, 08:25 AM
jukkaeklund jukkaeklund is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 86
jukkaeklund is on a distinguished road
USB 2.0 Hi-Speed

Better to use the proper terms, this is the first USB Hi-Speed compatible S6 device from Nokia. Earlier devices use Full speed.

http://www.usb.org/home
 

Bookmarks

Tags
connectivty, hardware, n78, nokia, rafe, review

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT. The time now is 05:58 AM.


vBulletin skins developed by: eXtremepixels
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Notes || Contact Us || Privacy Policy