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The Nokia N85 and N86 8MP Side by Side

Published by Ewan Spence at 9:38 UTC, February 23rd 2009

Ewan compares the new N86 8MP to its numerical predecessor....

Eagle eyes at the Mobile World Congress spotted that the N86 demo units had some interesting name labels on them, specifically that they were N85 8MP units (I think Mobile Industry Review blogged it first). The plan seems to have been to do a similar update that the N95 8GB was over the original N85, and when you take a closer look at the specs, there's only a handful of differences beyond the updated camera. Let's have a closer look.


N85 and N86 8MP
Side by side, the N85 and the N86 8MP

Physical Dimensions

  Nokia N85
 Nokia N86 8MP
 Size 103 x 50 x 16 mm
103.4 x 51.4 x 16.5-18.5 mm
Weight and Vol
128g and 76cc
149g and 84cc
Display
2.6" OLED Screen
2.6" OLED Screen
Format Two way slider with spring assist
Two way slider with spring assist
Additional  - Kick stand

Apart from a little bit of a middle aged spread, the N86 retains as much of the svelte dimensions from the N85 as possible. You have to assume the extra size is to allow for the increased volume of the camera optics, which will also cause the impact on the weight. Interesting to see that the N96 contributes just one feature here - the kick stand to make it easier to watch video on the phone.

Nokia N86 Kick stand

Firmware and Selected Functionality

 

Nokia N85

 Nokia N86 8MP

Symbian Version
9.3
9.3
S60 Version
S60v3 Feature Pack 2
S60v3 Feature Pack 2
Firmware updates
Yes, available via PC Suite or Over the Air
Yes, available via PC Suite or Over the Air
GPS
GPS and A-GPS
GPS and A-GPS

No differences here, with the over the air firmware updates available on both devices. Previously you were required to use a PC to get new firmwares on your phone. Now with over the air available, coupled with the recent technical changes so that user data is preserved during a firmware upgrade, this de-couples the N86 from requiring a PC connection to be an efffective device, making the PC totally optional. Good news for Mac fans; and the emerging legions of users in Asia who don't have easy access to desktop technology.

Keys and Input  

 

Nokia N85

 Nokia N86 8MP

Numeric Keypad
Yes, on a single plastic sheet.
Yes, as seperate physical keys.
Cover Keys
S60, Menu, Multimedia, Send/End, NaviWheel
S60, Menu, Send/End, NaviWheel
Side Keys
Volume, camera, key lock
Volume, camera, key lock
Top Keys
4 dedicated media, zoom and gaming keys
4 dedicated media, zoom and gaming keys
 Additional  - Kick stand

Nice to see that the single sheet of plastic with raised lines to guide you to where number keys are has been replaced with 12 seperate buttons, one for each numeric key. This is a good change in the physical UI and should help people feel comfortable with the N86 over the N85.

One other major change here to note, and that's the rationalisation of the keys on the front of the device, with the loss of the multimedia key. This could cause a touch of confusion putting the devices side by side, as the clear and s60 buttons on the N85 were areas on the plastic, but are now physical buttons, making the N86 appear to carry more buttons than the N85 when the key backlights are off.

Nokia N86 Keys

Power and Battery

 

Nokia N85

 Nokia N86 8MP
Capacity
BL-5K 1200mAh Li-ON
BL-5K 1200 mAh Li-ON
Talk Time (up to...)
6.9 hours (GSM), 4.5 hours (WCDMA)
6.3 hours (GSM), 3.9 hours (WCDMA)
Standby Time (up to...)
363 hours (GSM), 363 hours (WCDMA) 315 hours (GSM), 275 hours (WCDMA)

A slight drop in life on the N86, and I suspect this is down to the base configurations of the respective devices, rated for 8GB microSD cards on the N85 and 16GB on the N86. Power management is a black art, and with the N86 still some time away from the shops, the firmware may get an upgrade to increase that GSM talk time by 35 minutes, to bring it back on par.

Imaging and Video Recording

  Nokia N85
 Nokia N86 8MP
Storage 74MB dynamic RAM , microSD (officially to 8GB)
74MB dynamic RAM, 8GB internal, microSD (officially to 16GB)
Camera
5 megapixel (2584x1938)
8 megapixel (3280x2464)
Focal Length
5.45 mm
4.61 mm
Flash Dual LED
Dual LED
Variable Aperture No Yes (F2.4, F3.2, F4.8)
Video (rear camera)
VGA (640x480) at 30 fps
VGA (640x480) at 30 fps
Video (front camera) 352x288 at 15fps
352x288 at 15fps
TV Out
Yes, via Nokia cable Yes, via Nokia cable

It should be no surprise that changes have been made to the imaging on the N86 as this is the main selling point. Increasing the CMOS sensor to cope with 8 megapixels is only part of the story (but the easiest for people to understand). I know that Steve was more excited about the addition of variable aperture to the N86 than anything else. Care to jump in here Steve? [Yes, the new optics and - I suspect - physically larger sensor should provide far, far better performance in non-sunlit conditions, rivalling standalone cameras - Ed]

While the raw specs of the video recording are identical, I'm expecting the N86 to have a better picture and vividness in video, purely down to the physical changes in the optics. I just wish, with all the online web services that allow people to webcam themselves on the web (e.g. 12 seconds or Seesmic) that the front camera was beefed up to QVGA and 30fps at a minimum.

Nokia N86 Camera

Music and Audio

  Nokia N85
 Nokia N86 8MP
UPnP Yes
Yes
FM Radio
87.5 - 108 MHz with RDS
87.5 - 108 MHz with RDS
FM Transmitter
88.1 - 107.9 MHz
88.1 - 107.9 MHz
3.5mm Stereo jack Yes
Yes
Music Store support Yes Yes
Podcast support
Yes
Yes
Stereo speakers Yes
Yes

No real surprises here - the additon of FM Transmitter support was the N85's new feature, and Nokia's Music Suite is pretty mature on the handset, so the N86 carrying everything over would be expected. And we're still in the situation where the inclusion of a 3.5mm headphone jack is a surprising feature and needs promoting.

Nokia N86 8MP in hand

Summary

Once you put the stats together like this and see just how similar the two devices are, it's very obvious that the N86 8MP was derived from the N85, just like the N95 and N95 8GB are close cousins. It's interesting that a marketing and sales message has taken over an ordered line of succession, probably to keep the N85 in the retail channel as long as possible as the 'regular' device. I think this is actually a good call to make, partly because the N86 8MP is not going to be in the shops tomorrow and the renumbering won't depress sales of the N85. Having a wide range of devices at differing price points means that customers should always be able to find one that fits their budget in Nokia's line-up.

For more specs, visit Nokia's page for the N85 and N86 8MP respectively.

-- Ewan Spence, Feb 2009.

 

Rafe's viewpoint

What Ewan says about the specifications is absolutely correct, the camera is the only significant difference, but, in my opinion, the story is not that simple. Leaving aside the camera and flash issue, which I'll address in some forthcoming commentary, the styling and design details, materials used in the device and the overall build quality add up to a significant difference.

The N86's styling fits in with the Nseries design language for 2009 (the only other member of this family currently is the N97). This is most notable in the design of the keys and the control cluster (angled home key, no multimedia key, improved spacing). In contrast to the N85, the N86 makes greater use of metallic material on the outside of the device (the metallic frame is on the outside of the device - similar to the E71). One of the consequences of this material choice is an improved build quality and, subjectively, a greater feel of solidity in the hand. There are a number of other touches too. For example, the N86's softkeys have haptic feedback, which when combined together with the raised ridge, make a significant improvement over the flat light-up keys of the N85.

Nor should the software tweaks be under-estimated. The addition of a panorama mode and support for all the latest Ovi services add value (yes these can be added to the N85, but that's the domain of firmware updates or side loading of software).

I think it is also important to understand that the days of a single smartphone based on unique hardware are gone. Today we see entire families of devices, all with a common hardware platform. The N78, N79, E71, E66, 5320, 6220 and more are all essentially based on the same hardware platform. Clearly there's more variation across these phones than the N85 and N86 8MP, but in some cases the difference, in pure specifications terms, is not as large as you may realise. It is also important to recognise that style, and other subjective criteria, such as the feel in the hand, colour or material choice, are more important to many consumers than hardware specifications. With smartphones being driven by both software and hardware platforms, specifications are really only an increasingly small portion of the overall product experience.

I can only underline Ewan's point that device numbering is heavily influenced by the positioning and marketing story of a device. This isn't anything new - it's just a bit more obvious with the N86 8MP. Given the attention that Nokia is paying to both the camera integration and the design story, I think the N86 does more to justify a separate designation than some of the earlier product evolutions we have seen in Nokia's S60 ranges.

Ultimately, there's one difference that will, at least for some consumers, make more of a difference than anything else discussed above. Price. The 'press release price', before taxes and subsidies, for the N85 was 450 Euro, for the N86 8MP it is 375 Euro. That's a difference of 75 EURO (around 16%) which is significant given a gap of less than 8 months and the inclusion of a significantly improved camera and 8GB of memory... and that's without considering the design improvements.

As a result of the differences discussed above, I expect the N86 8MP may well have a greater appeal to those looking to upgrade from the N95 (all variants) than the N85 did. 

Rafe Blandford, AAS, 23 Feb 2009

Categories: Hardware
Platforms: S60 3rd Edition

Feature Discussion

malerocks
Good article and I agree that the n86 is a good device to upgrade to. But somehow, with the 5th edition been out there, it makes me uncomfortable to buy a device that is still on the 3rd edition. Feels like buying outdated technology. Knowing Nokia, you never know when they would suddenly decide that no more support for the 3rd edition devices. We are all aware of the list of devices that they have abandoned.
khalidraffali
i think the 5th edition and 3rd edition are markedly different in one is touch centric and the other is not. there is room for the two to coexist. not everyone wants a touchscreen phone. maybe nokia can phase out the s40 phones and stick with the two versions of s60.
Unregistered
It is irrelevant that these phones are further derivations, what is important is that they are damn good. I handled my first N85 yesterday. Solidly built excellent slider phone, feature packed, well spec'd and impressive. Very pocketable and compact. The N85 seems to be going under the radar as the touch 5800 grabs the glory but deserves moer exposure, especially for us outdoor winter gloved hand users.
jeffyb
I had seen on some sites listing a digital compass for the N86. Is this true? That would be another great sensor to have if it can "compass-tag" photos.
davesmith
I noticed that Nokia have started introducing new processors in their devices. The old ARM11 running at 369MHz, has been used for some years now, including the N85. Whilst the N86 is stated to be runing at 434MHz.
This could have 2 implications, the difference in the battery time and perhaps faster transistions+ photo processing?
Well I hope so.
jpwbamber
More style related to the N97, yes I see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc1MuUkD5Io
srw985
If only it had 720p video recording :(
Rafe
I knew I had forgotten another hardware difference.

Yes it does have a digital compass - this makes a very significant difference to the navigation experience. This applies most for pedestrian navigation. If you get of a tube, for example, I find I nearly always have orientation problems (and will sometimes walk 100 meters in the wrong direction). Compass solves this,

It also has some interesting application related to augmented reality (point and find becomes more useful), and adds a very interesting extra to geotagging.
Menneisyys
Could you also post direct camera quality comparative shots? At MWC, I wasn't allowed to beam the test photos I've taken to my other devices (unlike with, for example, the showcased, new WinMo devices); that is, I couldn't directly compare the low-light pic quality of it to my N95.
Menneisyys
Quote:
Originally Posted by srw985 View Post
If only it had 720p video recording :(
Yeah... this is why I'm eagerly awaiting the Omnia HD - albeit I know it'll only have a short battery life in HD recording mode.
Micky!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafe View Post
I knew I had forgotten another hardware difference.

Yes it does have a digital compass - this makes a very significant difference to the navigation experience. This applies most for pedestrian navigation. If you get of a tube, for example, I find I nearly always have orientation problems (and will sometimes walk 100 meters in the wrong direction). Compass solves this,

It also has some interesting application related to augmented reality (point and find becomes more useful), and adds a very interesting extra to geotagging.
Well, that steals it for me then. N86 may well be my next investment. I too am getting fed up of walking in the wrong direction while trying to navigate on foot lol.
Unregistered
The percentage of touchscreen phones in Nokia's line-up is extremely low when compared to its main competitors (Samsung, LG, SE). And so it's the percentage of Nokia phones with screen resolution higher than QVGA. To keep releasing even more S60 3rd ed. phones with QVGA screens like the N86 is unconscionable.
Unregistered
no 3D hardware accleration, its not worth considering this device...
Unregistered
I was reading the spec sheet on both phones yesterday and it would appear that the N86 doesn't have a touch sensitive navi-wheel like the N85, is this the case? You're comparison of the two phones didn't list this as being absent on the N86.
Unregistered
I'm not sure whether if its even worth upgrading anymore, I've had my N82 since its launch, and these new Nokia phones feel uninspired as there isn't the big jump in technology I was expecting. I remember owning the good old N73 and jumping to the N82 when it came out and there was a massive difference in terms of technology. I'll pass on the N86, maybe the N97 would be a better option for me.
Unregistered
i heard there's some software problem with N85, which is why there's the N86. is the software bit true? anyone experienced that?
Unregistered
where are camera shots you fucking cock fucker
Unregistered
MANY thanks for the great review!

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