All About Symbian - Nokia (S60) and Sony Ericsson (UIQ) smartphones unwrapped

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Old 08-02-2010, 10:39 AM
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Nokia X6 Firmware updated to v12

It’s been making it’s way around the various territories in the last few days, and now we’re happy to say that we have the updated firmware running on the Nokia X6 here at AAS (link to our review). The update to v12.0.091 can be installed (once available) either Over the Air or via the Nokia Software Updater on your PC. Even though your data should be preserved during the update, we would always recommend backing up any phone before an update is started.

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Old 08-02-2010, 11:03 AM
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Any news on whats come in the update? I was keen on buying this for my wife, but she would have little patience with a buggy phone. Willing to wait a short while if the bugs get sorted out quickly...
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I wonder if they’ll take note of me asking for a change-log to be supplied?
I suspect if you are a lone voice then no, but if most updaters say the same thing then there is a chance.
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Old 08-02-2010, 04:07 PM
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Low RAM issues? Again???

I seriously don't comprehend Nokia's insistence on knee-capping their latest devices with low RAM and under powered processors. What's up with that? Somebody at that company needs a smack upside the head.
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> I seriously don't comprehend Nokia's insistence on knee-capping their latest devices with low RAM and under powered processors. What's up with that? Somebody at that company needs a smack upside the head.

It's all very well people making this sort of comment, but how exactly do you define 'low ram' and 'under powered processors'? Ewan has just shown in his update that with the bug fixes the X6 performs very well on both these counts.

And I'm rather bored with seeing people do direct comparisons between Nokia devices and other maker's phones and then saying Nokia is underpowered etc. Rubbish. If Nokia was running the same OS and software, fair enough. It's not. It's running something FAR superior.

Yes, shock horror folks, Symbian really is MILES better and more efficient in all sorts of ways (not to mention far more stable and mature) than other competing smartphone OSes (and yes, I'm talking about anything you want to compare it to)
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Even as a fan of Symbian and Nokia I have to agree with the criticism of underpowered hardware. I had a trial N97 Mini and it would have been a great device if it had a quicker processor. My S60v3 phone has a 600Mhz processor and it is so much quicker than the Mini. I find switching apps, starting apps and even found web browsing to be a more enjoyable experience on my S60v3 phone than with the Mini - despite the fact it has a smaller none-touch screen.

It doesn't matter if Symbian is a better or more efficient OS - the fact is the touchscreen Mini with higher resolution has a slower processor than my low resolution none-touchscreen S60v3 device.

Anyway looking forward to a batch of hopefully Cortex running Symbain^3 and 4 phones from Nokia this year.
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Impressed by Ewen's first review and respect All About Symbian for being hard on Nokia where appropriate. And now respect for Nokia for fixes the bugs fast. It usually takes Nokia months not weeks for an up date to early bugs - looks like Nokia is really getting on its game - this year is going to be interesting...
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Old 08-02-2010, 05:45 PM
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Ewan you have my respect for giving it a bad review when the firmware was not up to scratch. AAS have in the past not reviewed devices because they waiting for "good" firmware to be released. Unfortunately bad firmware doesn't stop the phone manufacturers from releasing products!
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N97 mini has an ARM 11 @ 434 MHz, iPhone 3G has an ARM 11 based processor @ 412 MHz + graphics MBX-Lite processor for less display pixels.

The iPhone spec was 2008. It's now 2010. Regardless of how efficient the OS is on RAM, it still takes the same amount of clock cycles to update a given amount of display memory, or decode an MP3, take a load of packets up the stack (oo-er!).

So, if the late 2009 N97 mini has half the processing power of the mid 2008 iPhone 3, it is underpowered by comparison.

Still works impressively well though, considering all that.
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Wink Ah, ah, ah

> It's all very well people making this sort of comment, but how exactly do you define 'low ram' and 'under powered processors'? Ewan has just shown in his update that with the bug fixes the X6 performs very well on both these counts.

> And I'm rather bored with seeing people do direct comparisons between Nokia devices and other maker's phones and then saying Nokia is underpowered etc. Rubbish. If Nokia was running the same OS and software, fair enough. It's not. It's running something FAR superior.

>Yes, shock horror folks, Symbian really is MILES better and more efficient in all sorts of ways (not to mention far more stable and mature) than other competing smartphone OSes (and yes, I'm talking about anything you want to compare it to)

Ah, ah, ah.. has anybody started the Holy Church of Symbian without warning me??

Have we made contact with a parallel dimension where nokia phones can work with ovi maps without lag? where you can scroll in contacts lists without lag when the music player is in the background? Where you can start music player and sports tracker without the last hanging up?
Where you can browse with javascript activated on engadget without the browser closing because of low RAM.. and, god bless us, maybe you can even have a music player in the background? And you can play Divx videos on S60v5?

Then take me with you pleeeease!! I want it too!!
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OK, lets try some of this stuff.....

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Have we made contact with a parallel dimension where nokia phones can work with ovi maps without lag?
No need to try this one. I use the SATNAV regularly, and I am looking out for it being accurate. I can see bridges on the screen over the arrow at the moment I pass them.

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where you can scroll in contacts lists without lag when the music player is in the background?
Yep, just tried this one and it scrolls contacts nicely, even kinetic and lovely. What's the problem?

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Where you can start music player and sports tracker without the last hanging up?
Yep, no problem. I do this often too when cycling.

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Where you can browse with javascript activated on engadget without the browser closing because of low RAM..
I don't really understand why anyone would want to; but yes, that's working OK too.

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and, god bless us, maybe you can even have a music player in the background? And you can play Divx videos on S60v5?
Can't test this one, haven't got any DIVX videos.


It's just a modest 5800 with a 434 MHz ARM 11, and V40 firmware, but it all works fine. Can be had for a song on Ebay.
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And you can play Divx videos on S60v5?
Yes you can... The Samsung Omnia HD (i8910) can play divx videos out of the box (AFAIK). Its just that Nokia did not include that codec on their phones. And even for Nokia phones, go and buy a software called Smart Movie. You will be able to play Divx files. On Symbian, on Nokia...
What are you blaming Symbian for???

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OK, lets try some of this stuff.....



No need to try this one. I use the SATNAV regularly, and I am looking out for it being accurate. I can see bridges on the screen over the arrow at the moment I pass them.



Yep, just tried this one and it scrolls contacts nicely, even kinetic and lovely. What's the problem?



Yep, no problem. I do this often too when cycling.



I don't really understand why anyone would want to; but yes, that's working OK too.



Can't test this one, haven't got any DIVX videos.


It's just a modest 5800 with a 434 MHz ARM 11, and V40 firmware, but it all works fine. Can be had for a song on Ebay.
V40 firmware? I've just checked with nokia and the last official firmware is v31. So until I see it I just don't believe you. Sorry

But seriously.. you really don't have any divx video? Aha, I was sure we made contact with a paralell universe!! ;-P
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Yes you can... The Samsung Omnia HD (i8910) can play divx videos out of the box (AFAIK). Its just that Nokia did not include that codec on their phones. And even for Nokia phones, go and buy a software called Smart Movie. You will be able to play Divx files. On Symbian, on Nokia...
What are you blaming Symbian for???
Yes, but we are talking about NOKIA phones, not samsungs. If nokia phones had the same processor and RAM than 8910 then we wouldn't be crying around

As for Smart Movie.. go and download the demo version and see with your own eyes that you can't play half decently a 320x240 divx video. So, yes nowadays it really is not possible to play decently divx videos on nokia S60v5 phones.. I now it's shocking. I coulnd't believe it when I first bought my phone.. but after some weeks of trying everything I had to give up. :_(
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V40 firmware? I've just checked with nokia and the last official firmware is v31.
V40.0.005 is the last offical firmware. You are very silly.
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