From iPhone to N97 mini? An opinion from the other side!

[malerocks]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Like my friend; I convinced him to buy a E71. When he got it he don't know crap about S60 and can't figure out how to use it properly. I help him install apps and etc to better suit his needs, so he likes it better. He used it for about a year and never figure out how to do anythig on it beside what I've helped him install.

I can agree with you that S60 (not symbian) can get a bit complicated at times. But dont tell me that your friend used the phone for a year and STILL could not figure out how to handle the phone. Come on, its not that complicated. I dont think the phone is the problem here.

Apple has a brilliant strategy and a very lethal weapon with iPOD Touch. Nowadays many young people are first lured to iPOD Touch as a trendy music player and game console. These young people create their iTunes account to buy songs and games. Slowly but surely they accumulate all their favourite songs and games. When they become adults, it is only and very natural for them to migrate to iPhone since they already have their iTunes accounts. They become the next generation of loyal iPhone users...

A lot of people here are still not aware that Apple is playing a very smart game. Apple is not just competing on having multi-tasking or 5 mega pixel camera on the phone. Apple is doing much more than all their competitors are doing by invading young children's desire to own an iPod for music and games. In the long run, Apple will gain more market share. It is really not as simple as one phone to rule them all...

[xerxes]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

"My wife just chose to return to Symbian (Nokia 5800 in this case) after 6 months on an iPhone 3G."

Why?

Biggest lie of the year.

What the hell do you think gives you the right to call me a liar?

If anyone is interested in a reasonable conversation I would be happy to explain why my wife chose to switch back to Symbian.

As a life long S60 user, I finally left for bigger and better things. And guess what to? The iPhone. I was an avid hater like everyone else yet after trying it I realised that it's a good phone and does so much. After years of spending thousands and thousands as a beta tester of Nokia phones (let me see, N78, N85, N97, E72 to name recent phones), I will never look back. Goodbye Nokia, if people weren't brainwashed monkeys (I know, how ironic that people say this about Apple products yet Apple makes products and their users actually purchase it because they are good to use), they wouldn't keep buying Nokias. Oh well, good luck

Originally Posted by Unregistered

As a life long S60 user, I finally left for bigger and better things. And guess what to? The iPhone. I was an avid hater like everyone else yet after trying it I realised that it's a good phone and does so much. After years of spending thousands and thousands as a beta tester of Nokia phones (let me see, N78, N85, N97, E72 to name recent phones), I will never look back. Goodbye Nokia, if people weren't brainwashed monkeys (I know, how ironic that people say this about Apple products yet Apple makes products and their users actually purchase it because they are good to use), they wouldn't keep buying Nokias. Oh well, good luck

again, different needs, different people, different culture, different uses, different budgets. Just because you like it, does not mean other users of other phone brands are "brainwashed". Apple product are really good that is why they came this far. But isn't it also ironic that people like you say Nokias are no good and all that but yet still millions buy them. Some people just prefer other brands,OS, form factor, features over another.

Originally Posted by malerocks

I can agree with you that S60 (not symbian) can get a bit complicated at times. But dont tell me that your friend used the phone for a year and STILL could not figure out how to handle the phone. Come on, its not that complicated. I dont think the phone is the problem here.

You're right, the phone is not the problem. The problem is dumb consumers and Nokia not educating dumb consumers. The average consumer just takes out a phone and start using and have no idea on how to take full advantage of the s60 features.

So it's either to educate dumb consumers or make thing so easy that even a monkey will not have any problems.

Guys, actual talks here! My five cents. I'm very PRO computer/PDA user. Since Psion time I used to PIM applications much and can't live w/o it. All of you know that current level of PIM functionality inacceptable at S60 phones. Moreover, communicator series is closed (N97/N900 out of question, let me skip prolonged explanation).
I'm so un-loyal to current Nokia trends that I'm going to buy iPhone, jailbreak it, install everything what I need, enable all advanced features (bluetooth file transfer, f.e.), download GMaps cache etc, etc. Due to "blind typing" I don't expect much problems without keyboard. Moreover: for now I NEVER can see current typing language (I'm non-English user) even on big enough E90 screen (why, Nokia?), so often start typing with wrong language. Problem will be eliminated due to painted keyboard. I suffer only due to small screen of iPhone (no, I don't want netbook).
This is experiment, of course. Later maybe Road (http://road.de) will release it's device, maybe Nokia will implement Booklet Mini (5" screen max), or another SmartBook for _business_ users appears on empty ex-PDA market... Will see!

Originally Posted by rvirga

The Smartphone Experts network (a group of sites, each focusing on a different platform) is currently doing its annual Smartphone Round Robin, where each site tries for one week two of the best smartphones of each competing platform and writes a review.

Can you, please, provide URLs of these review/sites? Very interesting to read!

Unfortunately, these kinds of articles always bring out the worst in the "iPhone evangelists" (otherwise known as bigots), who seem incapable of giving any non-iPhone users credit for having made an informed choice to not buy an iPhone.

Every platform has its pros and cons, which is something that the most vociferous of bigots are incapable of comprehending; you take a very negative line on this, and assume that only bigotted d*ckheads buy iPhones, because they're the only people we ever hear spouting off about how great the iPhone is and how stupid the rest of us are....

[mhero]

Allright, Apple is nice but since the iPhone can´t compete with battery life, camera etc it´s not useful for me. So I use a symbian phone in combination with a MacBook, I do all sync over bluetooth and it works very nice I must say.

I just went from N82 to e72 and the e72 is an impressive little machine, very sleek, battery life fantastic, the screen is a bit small but I get used to it and the camera is actually quite good .

I love the iPhone, the quality of the UI and the available apps. I would love to own one if only it wasn't so big. Unfortunately, 95% of the time it would be in my pocket, and it's just too bulky and large. Nokia make very cheap phones that do everything I need in the right physical package, and I've tried out most available phones. Everyone has different requirements.

One saving grace for Nokia, is that whilst they have made a few mistakes recently, I can guarantee that there are other big phone makers that are producing far worse products. I've come up against many of them but they still sell well.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Unfortunately, these kinds of articles always bring out the worst in the "iPhone evangelists" (otherwise known as bigots), who seem incapable of giving any non-iPhone users credit for having made an informed choice to not buy an iPhone.

Every platform has its pros and cons, which is something that the most vociferous of bigots are incapable of comprehending; you take a very negative line on this, and assume that only bigotted d*ckheads buy iPhones, because they're the only people we ever hear spouting off about how great the iPhone is and how stupid the rest of us are....

iPhone and Apple products in general do seem to attract far more than its fair share of loud bigotted dickheads who want to ram their opinions down others throats. This is why the iPhone is gaining a very embarassing stigma.

[clonmult]

Originally Posted by malerocks

I can agree with you that S60 (not symbian) can get a bit complicated at times. But dont tell me that your friend used the phone for a year and STILL could not figure out how to handle the phone. Come on, its not that complicated. I dont think the phone is the problem here.

S60 isn't that complicated at all, its just as easy to use as S40, and I've never found it harder to do anything on any of my recent Symbian devices (N73, N95, N85) as I did on the iPod Touch.

I do agree though - if someone couldn't figure out how to handle such a ridiculously simple phone, then its not the phone thats at fault!

[clonmult]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

As a life long S60 user, I finally left for bigger and better things. And guess what to? The iPhone. I was an avid hater like everyone else yet after trying it I realised that it's a good phone and does so much. After years of spending thousands and thousands as a beta tester of Nokia phones (let me see, N78, N85, N97, E72 to name recent phones), I will never look back. Goodbye Nokia, if people weren't brainwashed monkeys (I know, how ironic that people say this about Apple products yet Apple makes products and their users actually purchase it because they are good to use), they wouldn't keep buying Nokias. Oh well, good luck

I've learnt the Nokia way of working the relatively hard way - don't buy a product until at least one major firmware release is available, or at least de-brand the product as soon as you've bought it - operator customisation can lead to no end of hassles. N95 was on v20, and was fine, N85 on v11 was okay, but hugely better on later firmwares.

I've used an N95 and N85 in parallel with an iPod Touch, and can't even begin to say that it improves over either of the Nokias in any major way apart from screen size. I'd be more tempted by the iPhone if it could handle A2DP and bluetooth file transfer

The UI is nice, but thats not to say that S60 is difficult to use - anyone with more than a couple of functioning brain cells can use a S60 device. They really aren't that difficult at all.

Each to their own though - you're happy with your iPhone, I know that I wouldn't be happy with one.

[clonmult]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Guys, actual talks here! My five cents. I'm very PRO computer/PDA user. Since Psion time I used to PIM applications much and can't live w/o it. All of you know that current level of PIM functionality inacceptable at S60 phones. Moreover, communicator series is closed (N97/N900 out of question, let me skip prolonged explanation).
I'm so un-loyal to current Nokia trends that I'm going to buy iPhone, jailbreak it, install everything what I need, enable all advanced features (bluetooth file transfer, f.e.), download GMaps cache etc, etc. Due to "blind typing" I don't expect much problems without keyboard. Moreover: for now I NEVER can see current typing language (I'm non-English user) even on big enough E90 screen (why, Nokia?), so often start typing with wrong language. Problem will be eliminated due to painted keyboard. I suffer only due to small screen of iPhone (no, I don't want netbook).
This is experiment, of course. Later maybe Road (http://road.de) will release it's device, maybe Nokia will implement Booklet Mini (5" screen max), or another SmartBook for _business_ users appears on empty ex-PDA market... Will see!



Can you, please, provide URLs of these review/sites? Very interesting to read!

Google is really easy to use, go there are key in "iphone blog n900 review". Brings you to ... http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/12...rtphone-robin/

"iPhone and Apple products in general do seem to attract far more than its fair share of loud bigotted dickheads who want to ram their opinions down others throats. This is why the iPhone is gaining a very embarassing stigma."

Well, iPhone haters can be even worse...