The Perception of Nokia

Originally Posted by Unregistered

@buster, a quick search of "exploding battery + nokia" on google will do wonders to avoid you make a foul of yourself again

Also, try "exploding battery + sony".

The problem is that people are trying to claim Apple is perfection and highlighting faults with other manufacturers, ignoring the Apple problems. Far from making a fool of himself, he is pointing Apple have equally poor prodcuts. So do Sony.

One million per month. Read it and weep.

Originally Posted by talhamid

All of this is pathetic. Nokia are doing well sticking to their guns and not going along with the hype, doing their own thing.

Agreed. It would be a mistake to take notice of a bunch of geeks on web forums with nothing better to do but whinge because Nokia haven't custom-made them a phone.

There are far more important performance indicators.

I knew this thread would wake up the knockers! They can't accept the truth. Well done Nokia, proved the geeks wrong again:

"It is the nature of an insecure bully to always need a target to pick on"

So appropriate to describe the Nokia haters as insecure bullies.

"In case you hadn't noticed, the phone that's going to sell bucket-loads in the High Street stores this Christmas was announced at Stuttgart. The X3".

i look at the specs of X3, i doubt this very much. care to elaborate please?

Regard less of when the release data and time they took to develop it, I believe when they release something it should be useable enough. Phone should not come to dead halt after some heavy usage- alteast for these kind of smartphones.
Simple thing, I had to clear chache everything I browse. It would have been good if S60 had a cleanup by itself when the browser is closed. These simple things makes the difference in usability.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

"In case you hadn't noticed, the phone that's going to sell bucket-loads in the High Street stores this Christmas was announced at Stuttgart. The X3".

i look at the specs of X3, i doubt this very much. care to elaborate please?

This is typical of the insular and selfish opinion that drives these perceptions.


OK the X3 won't suit you, but the market is not spec driven nor is the market determined by your needs. It's price and need driven. The clue is in the statement "this christmas". Christmas = gifts = schoolkids. It will sell bucketloads.

"One million per month. Read it and weep. "

Only people buying the "flagship" are crying Also would be interesting if Nokia showed the ammount of returns by month. Please do ask UK shops about this...it´ll break you´re little nokia fanboy heart

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Regard less of when the release data and time they took to develop it, I believe when they release something it should be useable enough. Phone should not come to dead halt after some heavy usage- alteast for these kind of smartphones.
Simple thing, I had to clear chache everything I browse. It would have been good if S60 had a cleanup by itself when the browser is closed. These simple things makes the difference in usability.

OK, so no cut and paste, no MMS, no GPS and no plenty more than that. And it STILL doesn't multi-task. It took 2 years and three versions to get them, none of those things were usable at release.

I don't have that browser cache problem you mention. Must be a user problem.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

"One million per month. Read it and weep. "

Only people buying the "flagship" are crying Also would be interesting if Nokia showed the ammount of returns by month. Please do ask UK shops about this...it´ll break you´re little nokia fanboy heart

Well I'm no fanboy and I'm an area manager for a UK high street mobile phone chain and you are wrong and making it up.

[tkao2025]

Very interesting discussion.....I'm not sure why there is so much anger in these posts.

I use an Iphone and it fills my needs. I had used Nokias for many years and did not like the S605v. For me browsing on the Iphone and the # of applications is what I like best about it. Also syncing with Itunes. This is not saying that anyone N97 is crap...it's just that it was not for me.

[dansus]

If we are discussing the N97 specifically, its the hardware i could never get on with. The screen is at ridiculous angle, standing up i cant see the screen!

What is that about, you may notice the Mini is at a different angle and while S60 is a fine OS, with 5th Edition UI the workflow is a pain and when you have small problems like ram as well, it all adds up to a bad image and blogs will jump on the bandwagon.

Let's cut the public-service crap, people. You are not obliged to bash N97 or the iPhone 3GS for the "sake of humanity."

Making motherhood statements about Nokia getting the N97 ass-backwards is getting irritating as are those about the iPhone being the incarnation of evil in the world.

If someone wants to fork over USD500 to USD700 on a phone you perceive as crappy that isn't anyone's problem but yours. I mean, exactly how many of those who posted on this thread have even touched an N97 or an iPhone???

Meanwhile, for those who've paid their "hard-earned" money for these phones and feel cheated, well... caveat emptor. The fact that you don't like it is irrelevant to me and I suspect the million who've bought them.

Go get a refund. Bury your N97 in the ground and buy an iPhone or HTC Hero -- but for the love of whatever god you worship, stop acting like a child and quit belly-aching already!

So you made a mistake buying the N97 -- man up and live with it. This isn't a real problem in the grand scheme of things. It really isn't. So it's a lot of money to you? Too bad. It's also about 4 year's wages for a sweatshop worker in China. Try to think about that before you pollute these posts with your useless pontificating.

I for one have always held the belief that the bad press the N97 has received is largely coming from a) the gadget-geek crowd that is hoping for an evolution of the Manila 3D/iPhone UI to come to Symbian; and b) the American media who are enjoying a bit of schadenfreude because, owing to the iPhone's mass appeal, the US is no longer perceived to be in the hinterlands when it comes to mobile devices. Imagine that.

Some people actually prefer the N97. Some prefer the iPhone. I have both a 3GS and an N97. Each has its advantages, each appeals to different people. I can see why in both cases.

Regardless, there really isn't an objective standard to it in the same way that we can't explain why people prefer some cars to others (regardless of whether one car is superior to the other) or why people prefer lofts to single-detached homes. It's a matter of preference. There truly is no accounting for taste.

Also, to those castigating both Apple and Nokia: these are businesses, folks. They're there to make money for their shareholders first and foremost, regardless of what you might think their role in society is. That's why there are regulators -- to advocate the interests of the public in the realm of commerce.

At the end of the day, firms are not obliged to make you exactly the product you like, only what will make them the most money. Had a bad experience with the n97's lens-scratching? Don't buy a Nokia ever again. File class-action suit if that will make you sleep at night. It's that simple. Get an iPhone if that will make you happy. Or an HTC Hero. Or a Touch Pro 2.

The point is, we've spent tons of man-hours and digital ink debating this topic for the better part of the past 2 months. Let's stop it already; let's move on. There are better things to do with our lives.

[Dynite]

Just a minor correction to someone's post -

right maemo5? you like that? good. that's the Qt framework in action

N900's UI isn't Qt, it's GTK.
Meamo 6 will be the one based on Qt.

Ewan, the chant (others) "The beginning of the death of Symbian" is grossly exaggerated to begin with anyway.

However, after seeing the official launch of X3 and X6, it further strengthen my hypothesis that Nokia is pushing the S60 and symbian in its current form to mid tier device without actually look like doing so. Let's face it, X series is just another name for Xpress Music 5xxx series, by dropping the conventional naming sequence, Nokia has done a clever over facade to elevate its move on pushing symbian device out on mid range.

For the next two years, Maemo will play some good role in defining the flagships and high end devices in Nokia's profolio. It might be just for a niche market but certainly Nokia is under pressure to come up platforms that is refreshing and mind boggling quick to fend off the powerful emergence of devices that run on Android, WebOS and the very overated iPhone OS. They don't want to lose their big share of the pie that they have gripped over the years.

It started to make sense now seeing how N97 fold out, it didn't have the latest processor nor does it have the the biggest amount of ram. It is the legacy device that represent how far S60 could go with all the touch, qwerty and widgets. It was never intended to be next-gen, it represents the iconic flagship device that accomplished way more than it originally was intended to be. While N97 was drawing love hate attention, Nokia secretly develop N900 running on Maemo 5 to surprise other competitors. You can see how they launch the thing. It was short and swift. Officially launch this month and expected to go on sale next month. It caught everyone by surprised especially the UI.

As for the future of Maemo? I can only predict that it will dominate Nokia's flagship for the next 2 years, that would further depends on how well the reception of the platform & performance of N900. When Symbian ^ 4 starts to roll out. I would believe that Nokia would jump back to symbian seeing Nokia's strong tie/relationship with Symbian.

[RogerPodacter]

i dont care how many things you try to reason out and rationalize, the bottom line is nokia purposely cherry picks features for NO logical reason, and it makes them look stupid and incompetent. when they could easily add 850/1900mhz to make a complete phone, yet they dont, looks stupid. when they purposely leave out kinetic scrolling (5800) when its available in 5 other phones with identical hardware, one priced at 150euro, it makes them look stupid.

i can go on and on with prime examples, which has no rational for being that way, which makes nokia look stupid. if they want their image to cahnge, they MUST stop these shenanigans. they are too stubborn.