No truth in Nokia-Android rumours (of course)

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The point being missed by those suggesting that Nokia should/would produce non S60/S40 handsets is that, away from the hype and fanboy love, Android and WinMo (etc etc) really are significantly inferior to Symbian.

You may, as a Nokia user, be personally frustrated with some aspect of the UI. Or the Ovi Store. Or the button placement. Or something else. You may see others that are. Fair enough, I'm sure you have a point. But really, you are throwing the baby out with the bath water. Symbian/S60 really is the most solid, proven, reliable mobile OS by a LONG way in existence today. But WinMo really is crap comparatively - for most people, most of the time (pre-empting any comments that say 'I love my WinMo handset, S60 is crap blah blah'. Microsoft really don't know what they're doing in mobile. Android really is VERY immature and unproven on multiple fronts (OS, hardware, app store, user base).

What a load of absolute guff. I've used Symbian and Windows Mobile extensively, always take the time to learn how to use the os properly so I can get the most out of my phone. Have to say that I prefer Windows Mobile. Ok, it's not as 'stable' and the UI is crap, but with the likes of Samsung, HTC, LG etc adding their own front ends, something that they can't do with Symbian, they can make their products unique and make the crap WM UI irrelivant.

To say that people don't like Symbian because they 'can't get use to the button layout' is both patronising and indicative of a fan boy nature. Just because Symbian is the most stable and oldest established OS doesnt mean that its the way forward, if you want to apply that logic then we should all throw out our Apple/Linux/Windows powered PC's and go back to MS Dos.

Better still, stop being a fan boy and just buy the product that is best. Unfortunately for you that means either buying a Android or WM device.

Originally Posted by buster

What a joke. Given that the 5800 is currently the best-selling touch-based music phone, the OS is obviously not laughable ....

And because its the best selling music phone, does that make it the best. I mean be honest, would you want one? I'm not a big fan of the iPhone but would take one over the 5800 any day.

[Jejoma]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Perhaps Nokia have simply acknowledged that Symbian is now an outdated operating system that hasn't adapted as well as its competitors to the touch screen enviroment.

Ermm, Psion Series 5 (Symbian OS5) anybody?

[buster]

And because its the best selling music phone, does that make it the best. I mean be honest, would you want one? I'm not a big fan of the iPhone but would take one over the 5800 any day.

I didn't say that this made it the best, I said that it meant it wasn't laughable; hardly the same thing. As an E90 user I wouldn't want a 5800, but, quite clearly, many millions of people do want one, hence the impressive sales results.

Of course, according to Arthur, these many millions of people are all deluded fools for having bought a phone that they like, simply because he doesn't like it or its OS.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Yeah cos the memory and processing footprint of the s/w is directly related to the form factor right?
Guess again.

Ooh! Big mistake. The form factor IS linked to the user interface. If you are going to do losts of whizzy things with your fingers then you need a big screen and you can't have a big screen in a small device.

You got pwned.

Originally Posted by buster

I didn't say that this made it the best, I said that it meant it wasn't laughable; hardly the same thing. As an E90 user I wouldn't want a 5800, but, quite clearly, many millions of people do want one, hence the impressive sales results.

Of course, according to Arthur, these many millions of people are all deluded fools for having bought a phone that they like, simply because he doesn't like it or its OS.

I certianly wouldn't go as far as calling them deluded fools, but of the few people I know who purchased one, neither were happy with it. Would be interesting to compare user satistaction results to that of the iPhone...

Originally Posted by Arthur

You know what the funny thing is ? Who gives a damn about what you and I think. If the N97 you feel is the best that Nokia can come up with then I feel sorry for you. The N97 and its' OS are laughable. Ask any unbiased person.

I have asked, and the non biased people are buying it.

It's just the anal-geeks that have the problem.

Originally Posted by Jejoma

Ermm, Psion Series 5 (Symbian OS5) anybody?

If you want. but I would consider the true touch era started when Apple made it mass market.

God, I hate to give Apple credit, I have an issue with them because of the way iTunes locks you in to their products and would therefore not buy anything of theirs. They are innovative though..

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Perhaps Nokia have simply acknowledged that Symbian is now an outdated operating system that hasn't adapted as well as its competitors to the touch screen enviroment.

Of all the phone OSs in discussion, Symbian is the youngest. It is re-adapting to touch (somebody mentioned that there were devices with touch in 1997 based on earlier Symbian incarnations), but doesn't need touch. There are a great deal of people in the market place that don't like touch.
Symbian is the best OS on minimal resource. The most important thing is though, that most buyers of an iPhone, or a Symbian Phone or an Android phone buy a phone, not an OS.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

And because its the best selling music phone, does that make it the best. I mean be honest, would you want one? I'm not a big fan of the iPhone but would take one over the 5800 any day.

That's nice, but I wouldn't. Because the iPhone is not really that portable. It's a very basic thing but I thought we left the brick lumps behind years ago. It's OK for women with handbags, but I wear jeans most of the time.

It's also getting a bit of a stigma. I mean, what do you make of people that are turned on by devices? The great thing about a capacitive touch screen is that it responds well when you touch it with human skin. How long before the first iPhone app comes out where you touch it with your d i c k ? Judging by the way most iPhone users bang on about them, an app isn't necessary.

[chilko]

stefan made a good audio interview with scott weiss from symbian foundation. it explains a lot about ui and plans of sf in that direction

[Arthur]

Forget what I, or others have said here. I have a suggestion for all the Nokia cheerleaders and blind fan boys:

- go to www.intomobile.com and listen to a conversation with Scott Weiss, one of the top managers at Symbian, just posted today

What does Scott Weiss say you ask? He agrees that, amongst other things, the current S60 UI is "dated", is "old" and "needs to be improved".

Get it??? It's the Symbian top manager saying it. Not trolls on forums.

What phones does mr. Weiss use? An Iphone. The shock! The horror!

Originally Posted by Arthur

Forget what I, or others have said here. I have a suggestion for all the Nokia cheerleaders and blind fan boys:

- go to www.intomobile.com and listen to a conversation with Scott Weiss, one of the top managers at Symbian, just posted today

What does Scott Weiss say you ask? He agrees that, amongst other things, the current S60 UI is "dated", is "old" and "needs to be improved".

Get it??? It's the Symbian top manager saying it. Not trolls on forums.

What phones does mr. Weiss use? An Iphone. The shock! The horror!

But that's old news. QT for S60 has been announced and is on the way. The improvements have started in V5. Weiss is newly recruited to Nokia and is probably bound to AT&T by one of Apples restrictive contracts. Personally I don't think his CV is that great. The Simply Phone and and some MP3 players in his portfolio. He is no Jonathan Ive.

Basically, if Arthur or anyone don't like Symbian then nobody is holding a gun to anyones head and forcing them to buy one. Personally I like it because I just like function and I'm not superficial enough to wet myself about some transition effects.

Originally Posted by Arthur

Thanks for your input Nokia employee.

Hah! Gotcha. Proves you are nothing but a guesser and a wrong one at that.

I still can't figure out what the axe is that you need to grind. I mean, if you hate Symbian and S60 so much then why don't you just go and buy a toyphone and forget about Symbian and S60? Why do you feel the need to keep telling everybody that you don't like it? Why the personal crusade? Are you the person with the vested interest bias? Or is it that you just can't bear to be wrong all the time and must maintain this futile attempt to convince others?

Originally Posted by Arthur

What phones does mr. Weiss use? An Iphone. The shock! The horror!

And an E71 for work. You seem to have missed that part.

As for the S60v5 UI. Yup, it needs improved. I'd rather imagine that's what he's employed to do being the User Interface Technology Manager and all.

Was there anything else you wanted to troll about or are we done here?