(Comment) The end of the world as we know it?

[SwitchBlade]

SwitchBlade is unimpressed. America is declaring war on half of the world, with few people standing in the way. Yet they seem keen to start a world war at the same time....

I found this interview with an american government member courtesy of TheRegister. The interview is his opinion on what the fact that the French, Germans, and Belgians oppose a war, show that America have no clue.

In the interview he rates how important these countries are by how strong their militaries are. To quote him with something that must qualify as a mild diplomatic incident with France: "I assume the French would be capable of going with us into Iraq to instruct the Iraqis in how to surrender." Mostly he slags off the French, if I was French I'd be baying for a war on American wankers and screw Iraq.

To be honest I'm shocked and saddened at this interview. France is described as "not a world power any more", Belgium is described as "never has been" (a world power), and Germany "started a few wars in the 20th century". It's about time that Britain looked at the tripe coming out of America at the mo and backed up it's more important friends in the EU rather than people serving their own countries ego as the "worlds dominant power". Hell on track record, both Germany and France have got more points on the successful war scale than America has.

What is it with the American government and the schoolboy arrogancy that "my army is bigger than yours" as if it makes them better somehow? Here's a message for you, we don't give a flying f*ck about your army, who you wanna start a war with, or why you think you are the best thing since sliced bread. You are acting like ABSOLUTE WANKERS! The schoolboy bully who because he is bigger than the others, picks on them. What the hell happened to peace? Eh? That little thing with people being friendly and encouraging each other to do what is right without giving them a black eye if they make a mistake.

Lets go through the old military leaders of the world, Napoleon wanted to take over to rule the world, Hitler wanted ethnic cleansing for his airien race, the English under various leaders were expanding the Empire as were the Romans. These were all many many years ago now, we've grown up in the last century, but it seems the Americans as a younger country have decided to do some of the same, and are trying to disguise it as "fighting world terrorism". At least when countries used to try and take over the world we were honest. So far the UN have not discovered anything that catagorically states that Iraq is doing anything wrong and that military intervention isn't needed. THAT MEANS NO BLOODY WAR!

As a final note to the American government, get your head's out of your arses and get over your own self-importance. Oh and GROW THE HELL UP!

Please note this rambling is something to get off my chest over recent debate on war in the middle east. This in no way is related to this Symbian OSs, or reflects the opinions of the administration here. Just me, SwitchBlade.

[tomrudderham]

Go SwitchBlade!
It's nice to know that I'm not the only one who thinks America is trying to take over the world. Imagine if they do, it'll be like the earth in StarTrek the next generation!
AGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!

[Zipper]

Originally Posted by tomrudderham

Go SwitchBlade!
It's nice to know that I'm not the only one who thinks America is trying to take over the world. Imagine if they do, it'll be like the earth in StarTrek the next generation!
AGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!

...Thats not a bad thing...
No, America will fight a yet unknowen someone [possibly iraq] and then the end is nigh! haha!

[TANKERx]

The lies spoken by our glorious leaders hardly inspire trust.

It's clear that Saddam Hussein is evil. It's clear that Osama Bin Laden is evil. But it's also clear that Osama Bin Laden doesn't like Saddam Hussein. So why are Tony Blair and George Bush telling me that they are working together?

Why is it that one day, they say that they want to get Saddam Hussein because of his weapons of mass destruction and then, another day, because of his links with Al Qaeda?

Why is it that Tony Blair and George Bush are both on first name terms with Saddam Hussein? In parliament, he's referred to not as President Hussein or Mr. Hussein, but simply as Saddam. Does Saddam Hussein talk to his people of Tony and George?

No matter how evil he is, he is still the leader of a country and until he is toppled, he should be respected as such.



PS. Good to see Switchblade back ranting! You should have your own late night radio show!

[mtg101]

Nice one SwitchBlade.

For anyone going on the anti-war demo this saturday, here's a song to sing:

If You're Happy And You Know It, Bomb Iraq
by John Robbins

If you cannot find Osama, bomb Iraq.
If the markets are a drama, bomb Iraq.
If the terrorists are frisky,
Pakistan is looking shifty,
North Korea is too risky,
Bomb Iraq.

If we have no allies with us, bomb Iraq.
If we think that someone's dissed us, bomb Iraq.
So to hell with the inspections,
Let's look tough for the elections,
Close your mind and take directions,
Bomb Iraq.

It's pre-emptive non-aggression, bomb Iraq.
To prevent this mass destruction, bomb Iraq.
They've got weapons we can't see,
And that's all the proof we need,
If they're not there, they must be there,
Bomb Iraq.

If you never were elected, bomb Iraq.
If your mood is quite dejected, bomb Iraq.
If you think Saddam's gone mad,
With the weapons that he had,
And he tried to kill your dad,
Bomb Iraq.

If corporate fraud is growin', bomb Iraq.
If your ties to it are showin', bomb Iraq.
If your politics are sleazy,
And hiding that ain't easy,
And your manhood's getting queasy,
Bomb Iraq.

Fall in line and follow orders, bomb Iraq.
For our might knows not our borders, bomb Iraq.
Disagree? We'll call it treason,
Let's make war not love this season,
Even if we have no reason,
Bomb Iraq.

[:)]

Switchblade, i must say, that's glorious talk you have there, jewel-like. 8)

I (and i the whole world i think) feel the same damn way!!

America just can't stop there, it's hands are itching, every once in a while they have to hit someone, do something, blow up somebody, to remeber people "we are there, and we can kick your'e assess! and we challenge anybody to even think about stopping us!" And what pisses me off is the little kids that want to make the bully happy, and join him, but what impresses me is the countries of real courage and "common sense" that stand up and say "no! This is bullshit! Enough with the slaughter!"

Terrorism my ASS! EVERYTHING is now terrorism! If an old man goes to buy groceries, and his name starts with omar or any arabic name, he's a Terrorist!! Even if he can't close his car door!! He HAS LINKS!! even if he's 3000 miles away and he doesn't even have an international line, and does'nt use the net, and can't write a post letter! He has WEAPONS! even if he's homeless and lives in the shadows of the alleys of Manhattan.

Some smart thinking!! Nowadays, can a person that want's to steal money from a house, go in, kill everybody, and then say "well, i'm fighting terrorism! I noticed they have Lord Of the Rings on DVD! That's a sure sign of links to Al Qaeda!" Does that make sense? what the hell does Lord of the rings have to do with al Qaeda? Same thing with what's happening now..

I'm not just pissed about the innocent people dying, and America showing off it's six packs, i'm pissed that WAR is going to affect everybody! (duh!) it's gonna affect where i live first!!

Bush has the ball, he dribbles to front, he passes long to kuwait, kuwait gives off a one-two to Bush and Bush dives and heads it pass the opposite goalie Saddam, a GOAL!! what wonderful play!!

Since kuwait is helping the U.S of A, and kuwait is sharing borders with Iraq, who do you think Iraq will hit to get the shit off it's windshield? And what's another close place that was hit before by saddam in the gulf war? Dammam, Khobar, Dhahran (Aramco) in the eastern province of Saudi Arabia.. where i live

I still have those Gas Masks, i wonder of the oxygen expires :roll:

[FOX HOUND]

well said my frinds
can't say anything more
8)

As a Saudi living and working in Europe, educated most of my life in England and married to an English Lass; I am pleasantly surprised and heartened to see that all this hype coming out of the U.S. and Tony's cheap fear tactics of sending tanks into the streets of London does not affect your opinions.

Justy a few pointers "from the other side of teh fence", the streets of Kuwait are full of Kuwaiti tanks not to protect the country from Iraq, buit to protect the U.S. marines from the Kuwaiti population. That is not because the Kuwaitis love Saddam, but because they have large numbers of family and relatives in Iraq, that G.W. intends to kill with his smart bombs. The latest U.S. estimate is 4 million Iraqi civilian deaths. That from a nation that refuses to submit to the newly created International War Crimes Tribunal, broke 12 international laws of which 9 were proposed by the U.S.

We Arabs certainly have our social and cultural problems, we were hoping to cooperate and learn from more enlightened nations in Europe, but have been punished for the world's ills since the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

I think that the person who lives in Khobar can attest to the fact that Saudi Arabia as a nation developed in the last 28 years, the equivalent of 300 years in Europe. This was borne of hunger to improve and develop.

This speed has naturally brought on social difficulties; but did the UK invade Eire because it is a social breeding ground for IRA terrorists? Did the U.S. invade Germany because of the Baader Meinhof? I do not recall any threats or boycotts of Japan or Italy for their Red Brigades and the like.

As for Iraq, no doubt Saddam is an evil man, and his people have sufered long and hard under him, but invading his country to remove him and replace him with others shunned by their own people is not a solution for the country.

Why is it that in Afghanistan the "Peacekeeprs" control only a quarterof Kabul, and spend all their time protecting Karzai from Assassination attempts? If as is stated byt he U.S. that this is Taliban or ALQaeda, rest assured that they have left Afghanistan, and those fighting now are estranged and disenfranchised Afghans. The U.S. does not care because they pulled their troops and then orderd the UK to send their troops to die there. I guess British soldiers lives are cheaper.

Anyway, my apologies for digressing, more to the point of this forum, I recently installled the Stacker for 9210 all excited about freeing up addtional Device memory. I happily compressed all kinds of folders on C: drive. After rebooting nothin in the phone worked. I had to format and reinstall the essential software, so be careful what you squeeze, it may not like it! *I guess this piece of wisdom works for G.W. also.

[SwitchBlade]

Originally Posted by Visitor

did the UK invade Eire because it is a social breeding ground for IRA terrorists?

The IRA came about to liberate Ireland from English rule.

Originally Posted by Visitor

Did the U.S. invade Germany because of the Baader Meinhof?

The US wouldn't stand a chance at invading Germany.

Originally Posted by Visitor

As for Iraq, no doubt Saddam is an evil man, and his people have sufered long and hard under him, but invading his country to remove him and replace him with others shunned by their own people is not a solution for the country.

As we've seen through history, dispite most of Europe's countries having bad leaders at points, the tables were turned by the people in the end, without outside intervention.

Originally Posted by Visitor

Why is it that in Afghanistan the "Peacekeeprs" control only a quarterof Kabul, and spend all their time protecting Karzai from Assassination attempts? If as is stated byt he U.S. that this is Taliban or ALQaeda, rest assured that they have left Afghanistan, and those fighting now are estranged and disenfranchised Afghans. The U.S. does not care because they pulled their troops and then orderd the UK to send their troops to die there. I guess British soldiers lives are cheaper.

Nope, British soldiers are better trained, hence have a better life expectancy than the average American grunt. As for the people trying to kill their new "leader", they've seen the chance to instigate the government *they* want, not what America wants them to have. Same will happen in Iraq, the people aren't gonna run round praising America for getting rid of Hussein, and they won't be pleased when the Americans choose their new leader (who will happen to be a very pro-American puppet).

Now isn't that nice: kiddies talking about world policits. :bday:

Without the Americans, Britain would be called Britannien now and would be part of the 3rd Reich. Not to talk about France and Belgium who have been overrun in a glimpse of an eye.
Or imagine the Americans not doing anything about the USSR after the 2nd world war. How about this: Soviet Republich of Britain. Sounds nice, eh?!
I also wonder where the democracy would have been in many countries without Americans. Let's take Germany for example: the Germans started two world wars and they did that because of the naive neighbours like France and Great Britain who didn't understand what is happening.
But let's move to more recent politics: where would have Kuwait been without the Americans? Imagine Iraq and Saddam Hussein controlling a part of the oil resources in the Middle East. And imagine what Saddam would have done if he would have got away with Kuwait's occupation. What would have been next? Saudi Arabia or the whole Arab Emirates?
What about the Balkans? What did the Europeans do while hundreds of thousands of people died there? Yeah...they talked.
The comparisons you make (did US invade Germany because of Baader Meinhof...etc.) are childs play. You should learn about history and politics first and then start to post. Maybe SYMBIAN is the way to go for you, Switchblade.
We Europeans should kiss the American's feet for what what they've done for us. We didn't deserve it. They risked their lives and let their people die for our benefit. Or do you really want to deny it?

Regarding the Army of France and Germany: both armies are ridiculous. Especially the german army couldn't move a foot without American backup. I am German and I did service for several years. The US Army is about 20 years ahead in military technology and strategy. Why do you think we have special training for german soldiers in the US?
So please stop talking about history, politics as long as you don't know what you're talking about. The Media in Europe started an anti-American sentiment among the population and people are stupid enough to fall for it.
I would like to see what happens if some terrorists would blow up London. Who would you call? Your mummy or US specialists.

What about the Internet? Would you stop using it because it is an US invention? Would you stop wearing Jeans, would you stop to listen to American music... Sorry to say that you're talkin BS.

Oh boy, arab nationalism at it's best. Learn what a democracy, human and women rights are and come back and talk to civilzed people.

I wish the Americans would have let Iran conquer the whole Middle East, at least guys like you wouldn't be here anymore. No internet...you know. This is american EVIL... :silly:

How old are you guys? 15, 18 maybe 20? How many wars did you fight, how many deads did you see (not on TV)?! It is easy to talk politics if you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[mtg101]

>Without the Americans, Britain would be called Britannien now
>and would be part of the 3rd Reich. Not to talk about France
>and Belgium who have been overrun in a glimpse of an eye.

And nobody mention the billions and billions of dollars made by US industry in profits from the two world wars. They just came along to help us out as soon as the war started and then the guys in U571 cracked Enigma...

>Or imagine the Americans not doing anything about the USSR
>after the 2nd world war. How about this: Soviet Republich
>of Britain. Sounds nice, eh?!

What did they do about the USSR? The started a cold war, refused to let it end in the middle 50s after lenin dies and new regime wanted to end it. Basically it was far more useful for the US to keep its populous in a state of perpetual war (a bit like the war on terrorism).

>I also wonder where the democracy would have been in many countries
>without Americans. Let's take Germany for example: the Germans
>started two world wars
>and they did that because of the naive neighbours like France
>and Great Britain who didn't understand what is happening.

Sorry what's that got to do with democracy?

Also remember that the US currently has a president that technically wasn't elected - and got as far as he did by perversion of the elecotral system by family and friends, mostly involving discriminating against poorer minorities in states like Florida.

>But let's move to more recent politics: where would have Kuwait been without the Americans?

Firstly - it would not have existed. It was the UK and US that setup the country as a nice little client state where the US / UK businesses could make money from oil and other natural resources.

Then maybe if the US and UK hasn't sold Saddam Hussain billions of dollars of WMDs during the 80s, Iraq wouldn't have been able to attack Kuwait.

>Imagine Iraq and Saddam Hussein controlling a part of the oil
>resources in the Middle East.

He did before he invaded Kuwait. That was back when the UK and US were selling him WMDs to wage war on Iran. And we turned a blind eye to him gassing Kurds back then. Now he's stopped being subserviant to the US - so now we hear about the terrible human rights abuses, and all these WMDs he might have.

>And imagine what Saddam would
>have done if he would have got away with Kuwait's occupation.
>What would have been next? Saudi Arabia or the whole Arab Emirates?

Yes - we wouldn't want an unelected religious nutter controlling all the oil. Instead we should let Bush occupy Iraq - but we'd still have an unelected religious nutter controlling the oil there...

>What about the Balkans? What did the Europeans do while
>hundreds of thousands of people died there? Yeah...they talked.
>The comparisons you make (did US invade Germany because of
>Baader Meinhof...etc.) are childs play. You should learn about
>history and politics first and then start to post. Maybe SYMBIAN is the way to go for you, Switchblade.
>We Europeans should kiss the American's feet for what what
>they've done for us. We didn't deserve it. They risked their
>lives and let their people die for our benefit. Or do you really want to deny it?

Yes - but their businesses profited hugely. As they will from the US occupation of Afgahistan (mmmm pipeline...) And Iraq (mmmm oil....).

>Regarding the Army of France and Germany: both armies are
>ridiculous. Especially the german army couldn't move a foot
>without American backup. I am German and I did service for
>several years. The US Army is about 20 years ahead in military
>technology and strategy.

Of course it is! While kids in Chicago are malnourished at a rate similar to Sudan, the US is spending billions on waging war on Iraq and countless more billions on the militarization of space (son of star wars). With all this extra cash no wonder they have better military technology.

>Why do you think we have special
>training for german soldiers in the US?

Because they'll take anyone's money and train them. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were trained to fly at US flight training schools, some secure military facilities, all paid for by Saudi Arabia.

>I would like to see what happens if some terrorists would blow up London. Who would you call? Your mummy or US specialists.

Oh come one! London has been under terrorist threat from the IRA for over 30 years - and has been bombed by the IRA many times. And where does the majority of IRA funding come from? Bostom, MA, USA...

[TANKERx]

I'm amused by the Hollywood portrayal of the US Military as being full of crack commandos who can build a jet fighter out of a dust-bin and a piece of string.

What the US military has is technology and numbers, but not much in the way of brains. Where the US would send in thousands of troops to perform an operation, blowing everything up and killing hundreds of innocents, the British method is to send in as few people as possible, achieve the objectives and get out without anyone noticing that they were even there until it's too late.


A US general once said "give me American hardware and British soldiers and I'll take over the world"....... Ooops! Is that what's heppening?

[FOX HOUND]

to KSK
i know from where you are posting 100% (the good guys of the worlde)
why not say it out loud

[SwitchBlade]

Few points for KSK, the Brits had won the war against Hitler's Germany before the Americans decided to follow us home. The Americans only got involved in the firstplace because the Japanese thought they looked left out. As has been said the Americans rely on numbers in a war, this is how the Europeans fought when we still used swords and cannons. In modern conflict we should be thinking more about stopping conflict as soon as possible and minimising casualties.

Personally I think Saddam Hussein should be killed, but I don't think it is right for us to interfere with another country like that. Hell Hussein hasn't even tried to attack anyone and is only sitting in his own country and cooperating with the UN inspection so far.

As has been pointed out previously, millions of American kids starve every day (listen to a radio station on live365 and you'll keep beign told about it), yet the Americans have plenty of money to start wars and meddle with other countries, yet can't solve poverty in their own. Look to your own problems before interfering in other peoples situations.