All About Symbian - Nokia (S60) and Sony Ericsson (UIQ) smartphones unwrapped

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Old 23-10-2005, 11:19 PM
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The N70 - a step forwards or backwards in mobile phones

Whilst I really like my new N70, I have noticed a couple of possibly backward steps in the technology within when compared with the 6680

1. The 2 megapixel Camera, a step forward ?? well yes and no, the picture are larger at 1600 x 1200 (compared with 1280 x 960 on the 6680)but the quality is lower, they use more jpeg compression (79% compared with 89% on the 6680) this has the advantage of smaller file sizes on your memory card, but degrades the quality of the picture, a typical picture file size on the N70 is 350K at top quality compared with 500K on the 6680.

Having said all that they are still pretty good, but imagine what they would have been like had they not been compressed more !!.

I am told it was done because few of the general public buy a larger memory card, prefering to stick with the 64 MB supplied and had they not lowered the quality only approx 70 pictures would have fitted on a 64 MB card.

Personally I would have preferred quality over quantity.


2. The camera quality however almost pales in significance when compared with my second point.

The 5-way navigation key.....why have Nokia reverted to this after the fantastic 8-way navigation key of the 6680

Games were a joy to play on the 6680, you could go diagonally in games that supported it Sky Force, Metal Bluster 2 etc etc, it was especially handy in Gameboy/NES Emulators, whose games were created for 8 way movement.

So why did Nokia go back to a 5-way navigation key, I don't understand it all.


The N70 is a great phone, the extra operating ram makes it a worthwhile upgrade, a little more thought and it would have been an essential one
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Old 24-10-2005, 10:31 AM
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Whilst I really like my new N70, I have noticed a couple of possibly backward steps in the technology within when compared with the 6680

1. The 2 megapixel Camera, a step forward ?? well yes and no, the picture are larger at 1600 x 1200 (compared with 1280 x 960 on the 6680)but the quality is lower, they use more jpeg compression (79% compared with 89% on the 6680) this has the advantage of smaller file sizes on your memory card, but degrades the quality of the picture, a typical picture file size on the N70 is 350K at top quality compared with 500K on the 6680.

Having said all that they are still pretty good, but imagine what they would have been like had they not been compressed more !!.

I am told it was done because few of the general public buy a larger memory card, prefering to stick with the 64 MB supplied and had they not lowered the quality only approx 70 pictures would have fitted on a 64 MB card.

Personally I would have preferred quality over quantity.


2. The camera quality however almost pales in significance when compared with my second point.

The 5-way navigation key.....why have Nokia reverted to this after the fantastic 8-way navigation key of the 6680

Games were a joy to play on the 6680, you could go diagonally in games that supported it Sky Force, Metal Bluster 2 etc etc, it was especially handy in Gameboy/NES Emulators, whose games were created for 8 way movement.

So why did Nokia go back to a 5-way navigation key, I don't understand it all.


The N70 is a great phone, the extra operating ram makes it a worthwhile upgrade, a little more thought and it would have been an essential one

The JPEG compression ratio compared to the N6680 I was not aware of, and I agree with you, it is annoying. I would of course prefer quality above quantity.

Maybe this could be fixed in a future firmware release if we push Nokia with it.
Or maybe there is a 3'rd part Camera Software out there that does not
compress as much as the embedded camera software. (Or is JPEG compression
given and not possible to change with software?)

I did not know that the 6680 has an 8-way directional pad!!!!

Of course I would have liked this as well on the N-70, even If I don't play
that many games. I have tested som N-G**e games on the N70, and many
of them actually work. E.g the game X-men requires you to walk diagonal
on the screen and hence is totally useless on a device with a 4 way joypad.

Still, to ask the question wheather the N70 is a step backward I think is
a little unjustified..

Video quality on N70 is amazing compared to 6680, 352x288 in 25-30fps,
compared to176x144 in 12-15fps..

It has 3 times as much internal memory, which opens up for more applications
to run simultaneously. (This also opens up for more N-G**e games to run due
to high memory demands on these games).

The N70 has Radio which is a huge pluss for many users. (incl. me)

The N70 has proper USB 2.0 support with supported 480Mb/s transfer speed
(given the right memory card).

The N70 has support for the new Bluetooth V2.0 standard which opens up
for much better and stable BT-connection (BELIEVE ME!!), also much faster
connection, and opens up for the use of STEREO bluetooth headsets! And,
very importantly, the possibility to connect to more than one BT device
simultaneously!! (Have not tested this)

The N70 looks much better than the N6680 (my opinion) and does not have
the same "plastic" look and feel as the N6680.

The embedded MP3 player on the N70 I think is much better.

Also in my opinion the N70 has better audio quality, and plays louder than
the N6680.

The lid for the memory card expansion slot has a much better design than
the N6680 and relies on a rubber hinge rather than a plastic hinge.

Nokia has with the N70 introduced speaker independent name dialling, which
the N6680 has not, and which I must say is working REALLY well!!
The N70 very seldomly misses on the contacts in my list, eventhough I am
norwegian, and speaking norwegian to it, with a lot of weird sounding
norwegian names!!

Also new on the N70 is the dedicated "media" key on the keyboard, that
you can program to whatever application you like. I now have access
to FExplorer with the push of a single button!! Excellent!!

In addition the N70 has a dedicated camera key on the side. Which is pretty
smart because it will store the images vertically compared to using the
ordinary keypad. (The pictures will be stored as 1200x1600 compared to
1600x1200)

The only thing I would have liked to seen different made (or removed) on the
N70 is the push/slide back-lid of, but this also goes for the N6680!

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Old 24-10-2005, 12:38 PM
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The N70 has support for the new Bluetooth V2.0 standard which opens up
for much better and stable BT-connection (BELIEVE ME!!), also much faster
connection, and opens up for the use of STEREO bluetooth headsets! And,
very importantly, the possibility to connect to more than one BT device
simultaneously!! (Have not tested this)
i know that the official N-Series website claims the N70 uses BT 2.0, although the manual says it's 1.2. i can't say for sure of course, but i'd guess the information given in the manual is the right one. the only major difference between the two would be the transmission speed, and i think noone would consider transferring large amounts of data over bluetooth anyway

information can be found here
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i know that the official N-Series website claims the N70 uses BT 2.0, although the manual says it's 1.2. i can't say for sure of course, but i'd guess the information given in the manual is the right one. the only major difference between the two would be the transmission speed, and i think noone would consider transferring large amounts of data over bluetooth anyway

information can be found here
cheers
I know about this discussion about N70's 1.2 vs 2.0 Bluetooth stack..

There seem to be a lot of confusion about this issue, latest is still, that the
N70 has BT 2.0, also confirmed to me by Nokia Norway.

Still the advantages from 1.1 to 1.2 is HUGE, and will still allow you to
use STEREO Bluetooth headset..

I am a heavy user of Bluetooth, and I can tell you the Bluetooth of the
N70 is working REALLY WELL, smooth, fast and stable, even if it's 1.2 or 2.0 !

And now I can remotely control my pc through two (2) walls with the N70..
With my 6600 (BT 1.1) I was barealy able to do this through a window!!

I will test concurrent Bluetooth connection asap!! (connection to more than
1 unit simultaneously)

The embedded certificate I think verifies this!
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i see where you're coming from
its not a massive evolution from the 6680
more a progression

looks are personal - i like some bits of the n70 more and other bits of the 6680

i liked the 6680s bigger keypad, and more sturdy camera slider
i just cant help feeling this is going to break in normal use.

overall its a bit better than the 6680 - almost too similar for them both
to exisit on sale - i also imagine its part of nokias move to new letter based phone series rather than the old 1,2,3xxx cheap n cheerful 6xxx business 7xxx wacky 8xxx luxury coding system

the one thing that i felt was stupid was the new chargers
sure they give you an adaptor but are you really going to carry it with
you all the time?

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Old 24-10-2005, 04:21 PM
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the one thing that i felt was stupid was the new chargers
sure they give you an adaptor but are you really going to carry it with
you all the time?
I agree with you about the new size of the charger plug, I whish
they stayed with the good old one!

Everybody has an old Nokia charger laying somewhere, so wherever
you go, you're almost certain to be able to charge! But not anymore
with the N70 (unless you cary the adapter with you wherever you go)

Still, I think all new Nokias will have this new sized adapter plug
soon. The Sendo X (my previous Symbian S60 phone) also has
this smaller standard.

I believe the new adapter is less exposed to short-circuiting
(from coins, keys or other metal items in your pocket) and
dust collecting, so these are probably reasons, and not only
comerce..

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There seem to be a lot of confusion about this issue, latest is still, that the
N70 has BT 2.0, also confirmed to me by Nokia Norway....

...I am a heavy user of Bluetooth, and I can tell you the Bluetooth of the
N70 is working REALLY WELL, smooth, fast and stable, even if it's 1.2 or 2.0 !
great news then, 2.0 is even better!

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I will test concurrent Bluetooth connection asap!! (connection to more than
1 unit simultaneously)

The embedded certificate I think verifies this!
Hope this works, this is what I've been waiting for.

Can't wait to hear your results on multiple bluetooth connections.

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I tried sending a file via bluetooth fro my PC to N70 and at the same time one from my wife's 6230, sending fails on the 6230


I then connected my bluetooth headset to my N70 and tried to synchronise, via pc suite to my PC, Failed

again tried to send picture from wifes 6230 to N70 while connected to headset, this also failed


So it would appear that you can NOT have multiple connections
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i'm not really sure about this but i think the ability of using multiple BT connections simultaneously depends on the bluetooth profiles being used (i.e. serial port profile, object push profile, etc.), where only 1 profile can be active at a time. this is only my guessing, because i've heard of cases where a gps unit and a headset were connected via bluetooth, and the driving advice coming from the software was audible through the headset. i'm sure that this was done using a bluetooth 1.2 phone though, so multiple connections don't seem to be limited to BT2.0 devices. another possibility would be that all devices involved would have to have BT2.0, which would explain why your tests were unsuccessful.
maybe a techie could shed some light on this whole multi-linking thing...
 

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