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Old 19-06-2004, 12:16 PM
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Exclamation CDA/Firmware Differences

Hi all

I have bought my second P900. Lost the first one in a taxi (how bad ). However, my first phone had a CDA xx2004/x. Now I have bought one directly from SE USA over theier eshop. Surprisingly this one has a CDA 162003/6.

Does someone know:
1. What CDA stands for?
2. What is the difference between a 2003 and a 2004 CDA

Thanks a lot and have a great day.

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Old 21-06-2004, 06:42 PM
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If u reli want to know more bout it use search button above

basically it's just how the phone being sold through

2004 - via contract/operator customised
2003 - outright
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is it possible to flash a 2004 to become a 2003 version? (i assume 2003 versions have generic firmware that doesnt have the annoying operator startup vid or wap setting restrictions) cheers

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If u reli want to know more bout it use search button above

basically it's just how the phone being sold through

2004 - via contract/operator customised
2003 - outright

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Old 23-06-2004, 01:42 PM
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What is and how to check the firmware version?

Firmware is a coloquial name of the system software of your device, containing the Symbian operating system as well as other software controlling the hardware parts of your P800/P900.

System software in P800 and P900 phones consists of three modules:


Organiser software: this is the actual Symbian operating system of your device. Everything you do and see on your phone is operated by this software. The Symbian OS version is always 7.0, but there are different updates of it and the actual version is presented in the following format: RXYZZ. R letter is always there. "X" stands for one digit, which is the major version number, e.g. 2. This number changes with serious updates made to the firmware. The "Y" stands for one letter, e.g. D. This letter indicates less serious changes. Finally, the "ZZ" stand for two digits, e.g. 02. These digits describe small, unsignificant improvements. So, the actual organiser firmware version looks like this: R2D02. If you have R2C01, then your version is slightly older, lacking only some small improvements when compared to R2D02, while if you have R1B05 then your firmware is very old, lacking many serious updates/corrections and should be updated as soon as possible.


Phone software: this software controls the telephony sub-system of your device, i.e. the GSM chipset, the transmitter, interaction with the GSM/GPRS network etc. It works on a hidden level, below the Organiser software and is not visible to the user. Version numer syntax is the same as that of the Organiser software.


Bluetooth software: this software controls the Bluetooth hardware of your device.


So, which of the above should be used when referring to the firmware version on your device as a whole? You should always use the ORGANISER version. This is the most important part of your phone's system software, it contains the actual Symbian OS, and this is the only part that the user has direct contact with. Therefore, any bugs or problems you may experience with your device are caused by the Organiser firmware. Alternatively, you can mention all versions, including the CDA version (described below).

Using Phone version when talking about your phone's firmware is a common mistake and is completely wrong. You should always use the Organiser version. "Phone" only means the telephony subsystem of your smartphone and NOT the entire device, just because it is not only a phone but first of all an organiser with a phone module. All updates, language packs, file-based fixes etc. are also always described using the Organiser (and not Phone) version.

To make this information complete, we should also mention the CDA version. CDA is the customization version of your phone. Customization means the contents of A: drive (ROM) and also the default contents of C: drive your device comes with. Among others, this relates to operator-customized startup and shutdown videos, user greeting, web browser's home page and preinstalled bookmarks and also language packs that come preinstalled with the phone. CDA version depends on the country of purchase as well as on the network operator.


Firmware version can be checked in two ways. The first way is to use the Edit / System information menu of the Application launcher. This will display three screens showing all four above described versions. The second way is to use the hidden service menu. Select Software / Information menu to show the detailed firmware information, including its build dates.
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CDA162003/1- English, Swedish (SV), Danish (DA), Finnish (FI), Norwegian (NO),
CDA162003/2 - English, Italian (IT), German (DE), French (FR)
CDA162003/3 - English, Dutch (NL), German (DE), French (FR)
CDA162003/4 - English, Spanish (ES), Greek (EL), Portuguese (PT)
CDA162003/5 - English (UK)
CDA162003/6 - English, American English (AE), Latin American Spanish (XL), Canadian French (CF)
CDA162003/7 - English, American English (AE), Latin American Spanish (XL), Brazilian Portuguese (BP)
CDA162003/8 - English (EN), with ciphering indicator off
CDA162003/9 - English (EN), Hungarian (HU), Romanian (RO), Russian (RU), Turkish (TR)
CDA162003/10 - Chinese Simplified (ZS)
CDA162003/11 - Chinese Traditional Hong Kong (ZH)
CDA162003/12 - Chinese Traditional Taiwan (ZT)
CDA162003/13 - Chinese Simplified (ZS), Singapore variant
CDA162003/14 - English (EN), American English (AE), Latin American Spanish (XL)
CDA162003/15 - English (EN), French (FR), American English (AE), Latin American Spanish (XL)

CDA162004/4 - P900/Swisscom AG - Switzerland
CDA162004/3 - P900/Orange - UK
CDA162004/1 - P900/Orange - France
CDA162004/2 - P900/Orange - Switzerland
CDA162004/6 - P900/T-Mobil - Germany
CDA162004/7 - P900/O2 - UK
CDA162004/8 - P900/Vodafone - UK
CDA162004/10 - P900/Vodafone (D2) - Germany
CDA162004/12 - P900/Mobilkom A1 - Austria
CDA162004/13 - P900/One Connect - Austria
CDA162004/14 - P900/HongKong (Latin version)
CDA162004/17 - P900/O2 (Viag) - Germany
CDA162004/18 - P900/E-Plus - Germany
CDA162004/19 - P900/Vodafone - Spain
CDA162004/21 - P900/Vodafone - New Zealand
CDA162004/23 - P908/China Mobile Communication Company
CDA162004/24 - P908/GZMCC - China


Software description P900

Phone Software

CXC162022 All variants


Bluetooth Software

CXC12529 All variants


Organizer Software

CXC162021 Latin variants
CXC162023 China (Mainland)
CXC162024 Taiwan
CXC162025 Hong Kong
CXC162026 Singapore

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Old 23-06-2004, 06:23 PM
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cheers

thanks for the info, my CDA is 162004/11 (a Tmobile ) but I am using an 02 sim and really wanna get rid of TMobile stuff on my phone... if the hardware is the same in all p900 then will flashing my mobile CDA to an 02 UK version
CDA162004/7
or just UK version
CDA162003/5

work at all? or will it bugger up the phone?
any help is much appreciated. thanks

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What is and how to check the firmware version?

Firmware is a coloquial name of the system software of your device, containing the Symbian operating system as well as other software controlling the hardware parts of your P800/P900. 

System software in P800 and P900 phones consists of three modules: 


Organiser software: this is the actual Symbian operating system of your device. Everything you do and see on your phone is operated by this software. The Symbian OS version is always 7.0, but there are different updates of it and the actual version is presented in the following format: RXYZZ. R letter is always there. "X" stands for one digit, which is the major version number, e.g. 2. This number changes with serious updates made to the firmware. The "Y" stands for one letter, e.g. D. This letter indicates less serious changes. Finally, the "ZZ" stand for two digits, e.g. 02. These digits describe small, unsignificant improvements. So, the actual organiser firmware version looks like this: R2D02. If you have R2C01, then your version is slightly older, lacking only some small improvements when compared to R2D02, while if you have R1B05 then your firmware is very old, lacking many serious updates/corrections and should be updated as soon as possible. 


Phone software: this software controls the telephony sub-system of your device, i.e. the GSM chipset, the transmitter, interaction with the GSM/GPRS network etc. It works on a hidden level, below the Organiser software and is not visible to the user. Version numer syntax is the same as that of the Organiser software. 


Bluetooth software: this software controls the Bluetooth hardware of your device.


So, which of the above should be used when referring to the firmware version on your device as a whole? You should always use the ORGANISER version. This is the most important part of your phone's system software, it contains the actual Symbian OS, and this is the only part that the user has direct contact with. Therefore, any bugs or problems you may experience with your device are caused by the Organiser firmware. Alternatively, you can mention all versions, including the CDA version (described below). 

Using Phone version when talking about your phone's firmware is a common mistake and is completely wrong. You should always use the Organiser version. "Phone" only means the telephony subsystem of your smartphone and NOT the entire device, just because it is not only a phone but first of all an organiser with a phone module. All updates, language packs, file-based fixes etc. are also always described using the Organiser (and not Phone) version. 

To make this information complete, we should also mention the CDA version. CDA is the customization version of your phone. Customization means the contents of A: drive (ROM) and also the default contents of C: drive your device comes with. Among others, this relates to operator-customized startup and shutdown videos, user greeting, web browser's home page and preinstalled bookmarks and also language packs that come preinstalled with the phone. CDA version depends on the country of purchase as well as on the network operator. 


Firmware version can be checked in two ways. The first way is to use the Edit / System information menu of the Application launcher. This will display three screens showing all four above described versions. The second way is to use the hidden service menu. Select Software / Information menu to show the detailed firmware information, including its build dates.
Code:
CDA162003/1- English, Swedish (SV), Danish (DA), Finnish (FI), Norwegian (NO), 
CDA162003/2 - English, Italian (IT), German (DE), French (FR) 
CDA162003/3 - English, Dutch (NL), German (DE), French (FR) 
CDA162003/4 - English, Spanish (ES), Greek (EL), Portuguese (PT) 
CDA162003/5 - English (UK) 
CDA162003/6 - English, American English (AE), Latin American Spanish (XL), Canadian French (CF) 
CDA162003/7 - English, American English (AE), Latin American Spanish (XL), Brazilian Portuguese (BP) 
CDA162003/8 - English (EN), with ciphering indicator off 
CDA162003/9 - English (EN), Hungarian (HU), Romanian (RO), Russian (RU), Turkish (TR) 
CDA162003/10 - Chinese Simplified (ZS) 
CDA162003/11 - Chinese Traditional Hong Kong (ZH) 
CDA162003/12 - Chinese Traditional Taiwan (ZT) 
CDA162003/13 - Chinese Simplified (ZS), Singapore variant 
CDA162003/14 - English (EN), American English (AE), Latin American Spanish (XL) 
CDA162003/15 - English (EN), French (FR), American English (AE), Latin American Spanish (XL) 

CDA162004/4 - P900/Swisscom AG - Switzerland 
CDA162004/3 - P900/Orange - UK 
CDA162004/1 - P900/Orange - France 
CDA162004/2 - P900/Orange - Switzerland 
CDA162004/6 - P900/T-Mobil - Germany 
CDA162004/7 - P900/O2 - UK 
CDA162004/8 - P900/Vodafone - UK 
CDA162004/10 - P900/Vodafone (D2) - Germany 
CDA162004/12 - P900/Mobilkom A1 - Austria 
CDA162004/13 - P900/One Connect - Austria 
CDA162004/14 - P900/HongKong (Latin version) 
CDA162004/17 - P900/O2 (Viag) - Germany 
CDA162004/18 - P900/E-Plus - Germany 
CDA162004/19 - P900/Vodafone - Spain 
CDA162004/21 - P900/Vodafone - New Zealand 
CDA162004/23 - P908/China Mobile Communication Company 
CDA162004/24 - P908/GZMCC - China 


Software description P900 

Phone Software 

CXC162022 All variants 


Bluetooth Software 

CXC12529 All variants 


Organizer Software 

CXC162021 Latin variants 
CXC162023 China (Mainland) 
CXC162024 Taiwan 
CXC162025 Hong Kong 
CXC162026 Singapore

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Good idea, J2! The CDA question often returns!
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Firmware change

I have the same question. Mine is the CDA162003/13. I do not want the chinese version. Can this be changed to the english version (without problems)?


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Originally Posted by PrometheusUK
thanks for the info, my CDA is 162004/11 (a Tmobile ) but I am using an 02 sim and really wanna get rid of TMobile stuff on my phone... if the hardware is the same in all p900 then will flashing my mobile CDA to an 02 UK version
CDA162004/7
or just UK version
CDA162003/5

work at all? or will it bugger up the phone?
any help is much appreciated. thanks

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I have the same question. Mine is the CDA162003/13. I do not want the chinese version. Can this be changed to the english version (without problems)?
Hi JW8888. I also have the same problem as yours. I cannot use the handwriting recognition and T9 since it is showing up Chinese Characters instead of English.

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firmware updates?

hi i just got my first p910i and wanted to know what the latest firmware version is my cda version is cda162006/5 R1B01 when i check the download support on the se website it says this is the latest version but ive been told its not can anyone help

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hi i just got my first p910i and wanted to know what the latest firmware version is my cda version is cda162006/5 R1B01 when i check the download support on the se website it says this is the latest version but ive been told its not can anyone help
I have had my p910i for a few weeks now. My CDA number is also 162006/5 but my software revision is R1A05. I have the same problem in that when I use the update service on the SE website it says that I also have the latest version.

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Hi JW8888. I also have the same problem as yours. I cannot use the handwriting recognition and T9 since it is showing up Chinese Characters instead of English.

I have the same problem and could use some help!

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Cda 162005/12 R1r17

Hi,

I am having the same Chinese OS problem. The phone is unlocked and unbrand, but I can get it updated thru the online service. Is there any way to manually flash it?

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My phone is CDA162006/5 R1B01 - its an Orange phone. I haven't tried the upgrade yet as I dont know if the upgrade will delete all previous user data, i.e. ringtones and other personalizations.

can anyone help?

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i just bought a P910 from HK. it has CDA162005/6 R3A04
Why mine different than you guys??
 

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