All About Symbian - Nokia (S60) and Sony Ericsson (UIQ) smartphones unwrapped

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Old 19-10-2004, 10:09 PM
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Got my second Sendo X - 10 of my opinions

The first X I got was not able to use memory cards, the memory card slot
was broken. Now after approx 1 month of waiting (from Nomatica.com -
don't use them if you dont' want to wait!!) I got a new Sendo X.

The new unit has the latest firmware it looks like (X 1.56.22).

Overall I am just about satisfied, but there are some dissapointing issues I hope
can be sorted out:

1. The camrea is of dissapointing quality. Pictures seems blury and red. There
seem to be no difference between regular mode (day mode) and night mode,
when moving the phone (camera) there are tracks after lights in the display,
just like a camera set with very low shutter speed for taking night pictures.
Well, in night mode I could understand this, but on the X it is like this whatever
camera mode you choose.. The result is you have to wait for several seconds
for the red color to go away before you shoot any pictures, and in addition you
have to hold the phone absolutely still to get clear pictures (the shutter speed
is waaay too sloow). I expected at least the Sendo X camera to be better than
my previous Nokia 6600, but it is actually worse. Dissapointing, and hope this
can be fixed with software (firmware), and that it is not due to bad hardware
(camera lens).. Last but not least, the so-called flash is a joke, and really makes
the pictures even more red-alike.

2. Quality of MP3 sound is very good, but weird that the phone can not handle
multitasking better than any other Nokia phone when playing MP3's. In my opinion
the Sendo X should, because of the extra audio- and video processor, but no.
Also when playing MP3 from a MMC memory card switching songs go veeery slow!
- And switching songs backward is just about impossible.
I hope this is due to the MMC standard, and I have now orderered a Sandisk
Ultra II 60X 1Gb Secure Digital card, if this does not help, I don't really see
the point with using this phone as an MP3 player anymore.

3. Sometimes there are still sparkling sounds when playing ringtones, and during
phone-talks. Don't know why and this is severly dissapoint from this phone with
the extra audio- and video hardware embedded. I have discovered that the
quality of the sounds improves somewhat (sparkling decreases) when moving the
wav-files from the MMC card to the phone memory. Again, I hope this can be
improved by using a high-spec SD card, but remains to be seen.

4. In general I think the software compatibility with Symbian S60 software is bad,
and I am dissapointed. Too much software work bad, or simply does not work at
all on this unit. And the Symbian S60 v6.1 platform seem to be on it's way out
allready. IGO has now developed an office suite; Quick Office Premier v2 that
makes you able to not only view Word, Excel and Powerpoint files, but also edit
them. But this software of course does not work on the Sendo X since it requires
Symbian 7. Also they (iGO) have no plans of making this software compatible with
the Sendo X, I have asked them. I am still waiting to find out if TomTom Mobile
works on this phone, if it does not I am really starting to get second thoughts
about this expensive buy.


5. The design of the phone I really like. It looks better than any other Symbian S60
I have ever seen, and It feels veeeery good in my hand. The keyboard is of good
quality, and makes my able to type my messages really fast. The joypad I like very
much. The NOW screen, well I would have liked to be able to choose whether to
use this or not, but it is not the end of the world, starting to get used to it NOW

6. The vibrator continues to vibrate for some time after a answering a phone call,
irritating. After making a phone call, I get an annoying loud piip in my ear from the
phone.. In general I think the developers of the Sendo X must have been deaf;
If you turn on keypad tones, even the lowest level is way to high in my opinion,
and even louder than the loudest I have ever hear on another phone. The
annoying sounds that play insanely loud when swithcing off (and on) the phone
should be removed or the volume severly lowered. If you turn of the phone before
going to bed, you risk waking up the whole house.

7. Screen quality is pretty good, but not as bright as my old Nokia 6600, even
when set to ultra bright. For some reason is seems like when using the phone
and some applications that the whole screen/pictures is redrawn, as you can see
the screen flashing... Don't like this...

8. Speed. The phone is REALLY fast, and surfing inbetween menus goes like
a whirlwind, nomatter how much shit I have on the memory card. If I tried this
on my N-6600 it would hang...The phone does not recognize the memory card if I
switch it off and on again. I have to remove the memory card, and re-insert it for
the phone to recognize it, weird and not good..

9. Car hands-free set uses bluetooth technology. This I DO NOT like!! :(
Because I want a real hands-free set with a real speaker and microphone, which
turns off the volume on my car-stereo when I receive a phone call, which consist
of a craddle which charges the phone etc.. Also using a bluetooth car-hands-free
raises a problem. Given that TomTom Mobile does work on this phone, I can not
use it in conjucntion with the Sendo X Bluetooth Car-Hands-Free set, since the
Sendo X does not support concurrent bluetooth devices (connecting to more than
one bluetooth device simultaniously). I have adressed Sendo with this problem,
(which they seem to admit IS a problem), but they have no plans of developing
a new car-hands-free set with a proper charging-craddle that does not use
bluetooth-technology. The only hope they gave me is that a 3'rd party developer
might develop something like this, but I doubt ... :(

10. There are still some minor issues that is annoying me with this phone, but
still I like it. If the sparkling sounds (electrical interference) goes away and the
camera quality dramatically improves I could be satisfied. But I am afraid that
the camera Iris bad quality is a hardware issue and not software (hope I
am wrong)..

Still, after having had the phone for a couple of days, my Nokia 6600 seems like
a over sized plastic bading-toy for children that came out of a "Kinder Egg".. So
even if I am not 100% satisfied with the Sendo X (still) I must say like Einstein
said; "everythin is relative" - So I guess we using this phone are some
demanding people..

Also, I read the Neonode N1 is getting veery bad reception from the people that
have been waiting for it, so it is not easy satisfying the mobile power-users of
today!

I will get back with more opinions when I have tested the phone some more, and
after having tested it extensively with my soon to have Sandisk Ultra-II 60X 1GB
SD card.


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Old 19-10-2004, 11:50 PM
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9. Car hands-free set uses bluetooth technology. This I DO NOT like!! :(
Because I want a real hands-free set with a real speaker and microphone, which
turns off the volume on my car-stereo when I receive a phone call, which consist
of a craddle which charges the phone etc.. Also using a bluetooth car-hands-free
raises a problem. Given that TomTom Mobile does work on this phone, I can not
use it in conjucntion with the Sendo X Bluetooth Car-Hands-Free set, since the
Sendo X does not support concurrent bluetooth devices (connecting to more than
one bluetooth device simultaniously). I have adressed Sendo with this problem,
(which they seem to admit IS a problem), but they have no plans of developing
a new car-hands-free set with a proper charging-craddle that does not use
bluetooth-technology. The only hope they gave me is that a 3'rd party developer
might develop something like this, but I doubt ... :(



messus

This will do your carkit, it has a built in gps receiver

http://www.driveblue.com/(fwnjr0zudd4o01j5zq3sguya)/Default.aspx?root=ck3300

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Old 20-10-2004, 08:07 AM
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This will do your carkit, it has a built in gps receiver

http://www.driveblue.com/(fwnjr0zudd4o01j5zq3sguya)/Default.aspx?root=ck3300

This unit looks really nice, and is probably also expensive...
Still, the problem remains... Since the Sendo X (or no other smartphones to my
knowledge) is able to connect to concurrent Bluetooth devices (more than one
bluetooth unit at the time) I will not be able to speak through the handsfree set
and use the bluetooth GPS at the same time!

So, I would like to see a car hands-free kit with a cradle suited for the Sendo X
which does NOT use bluetooth and which also takes advantage of the external
antenna connectora at the backside of the phone (otherwize why did they put it
there?)...

Thanx for your input, but it wont solve the problem..

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Old 20-10-2004, 12:10 PM
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This unit looks really nice, and is probably also expensive...
Still, the problem remains... Since the Sendo X (or no other smartphones to my
knowledge) is able to connect to concurrent Bluetooth devices (more than one
bluetooth unit at the time) I will not be able to speak through the handsfree set
and use the bluetooth GPS at the same time!

So, I would like to see a car hands-free kit with a cradle suited for the Sendo X
which does NOT use bluetooth and which also takes advantage of the external
antenna connectora at the backside of the phone (otherwize why did they put it
there?)...

Thanx for your input, but it wont solve the problem..

Are you looking at the correct car kit CK3300

The carkit mentioned will actually solve your problem, you can connect to bluetooth navigation and also use it as a bluetooth hands free carkit at the same time, it will even work through your stereo speakers and will mute the stereo when you have an incoming call, all you need then is a universal cradle and a car charger and you have a complete kit.

I cant see what other bluetooth activities you may need while driving a car.

yes its relitively expensive about £200, but the point is it will work with any bluetooth phone and its not a dedicated sendo x carkit, so you can use it with any future bluetooth phone you may have, you wont need to buy another carkit again.

And really the days of external antenna on carkits have long since gone, they are really not needed unless you are travelling in really really remote places.

I also think you would find it hard for any manufacturer, including third party manufacturers to have a wired carkit for many bluetooth phones, its just not realistic for them to spend time and money designing dedicated wired carkits for each bluetooth phone, when 1 good universal bluetooth kit will do the job for all phones.

You may also be able to negotiate with Tomtom to just be able to buy their software and not the gps receiver as this is included in the carkit that I mentioned


My brother has this set up with his 6600, and not only does he have a voice activated hands free carkit, he has tom tom navigation and also has trafcam gps speedtrap detector working all at the same time and he has no problems with the cark kit, he is now thinking of getting a sendo x, which means that he wont have to buy a new carkit, just a sendo car charger for £10,

Cool Eh.

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Old 21-10-2004, 04:48 PM
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Audio problems all over...

The more I use the phone, the more software I discover simply
don't work in this phone...

MGS games are having audio problems, N-Gage games have audio (and memory)
problems (yeah yeah I know, warez, but I had to try to check to compatibility),
GoBoy (Gameboy Emulator) does not work with audio, Super Transball (my favourite game) does not work with audio, Frodo C64 emulator crashes due to
audio incompatibility, Sky-Force (another of my favourites) is claiming audio
incompatibility, 3'rd party MP3 players (UltraMP3, GoMP3, Mp3 player) are
all having audio-problems with this phone, GeoPod XE crashes due to audio
incompatibility, ++++ lots of other games does not work due to audio hardware
incompatibility...

Well, what am I to do ?? Frustration is growing every day, especially since this
extra super-duper ARM7 DSP audio processor isn't even capable of playing sounds
without electrical interference on the Sendo X itself...

I hope somehting is done sooooon with regards to firmware, otherwize this
has become an expensive experiment for me..

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Old 21-10-2004, 05:10 PM
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Also, now with a new phone and with new firmware people are starting to
complain that they cant hear me on the other side ....


what the %"#"%"#¤#¤ is going on with this €420 device... ??

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it's the next firmware or nothing!
hope those stupid bugs are clean in next one! and with firmwares for everybody not as before, operator depend...

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2. Quality of MP3 sound is very good, but weird that the phone can not handle multitasking better than any other Nokia phone when playing MP3's. In my opinion the Sendo X should, because of the extra audio- and video processor, but no.
Also when playing MP3 from a MMC memory card switching songs go veeery slow! - And switching songs backward is just about impossible. I hope this is due to the MMC standard, and I have now orderered a Sandisk Ultra II 60X 1Gb Secure Digital card, if this does not help, I don't really see the point with using this phone as an MP3 player anymore.
I have NONAME MMC and switching songs works fast (prox. 2s) for both sides.

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4. In general I think the software compatibility with Symbian S60 software is bad, and I am dissapointed. Too much software work bad, or simply does not work at all on this unit. And the Symbian S60 v6.1 platform seem to be on it's way out allready. IGO has now developed an office suite; Quick Office Premier v2 that makes you able to not only view Word, Excel and Powerpoint files, but also edit them. But this software of course does not work on the Sendo X since it requires Symbian 7. Also they (iGO) have no plans of making this software compatible with the Sendo X, I have asked them. I am still waiting to find out if TomTom Mobile works on this phone, if it does not I am really starting to get second thoughts about this expensive buy.
I have been useing many sw from my old N3650 and most of them also works with Sendo X. Quick Office also works great with edit options (version 2.0.9.19)

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8. Speed. The phone is REALLY fast, and surfing inbetween menus goes like a whirlwind, nomatter how much shit I have on the memory card. If I tried this on my N-6600 it would hang...The phone does not recognize the memory card if I switch it off and on again. I have to remove the memory card, and re-insert it for the phone to recognize it, weird and not good..
It looks like you have realy bad MMC card! Try other card - it should solve some of yours problems ...

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Old 21-10-2004, 10:21 PM
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I have NONAME MMC and switching songs works fast (prox. 2s) for both sides.


I have been useing many sw from my old N3650 and most of them also works with Sendo X. Quick Office also works great with edit options (version 2.0.9.19)


It looks like you have realy bad MMC card! Try other card - it should solve some of yours problems ...

Using 2 seconds to switch song is not fast in my mind, it is insanely slow!!
Well, could you tell me at least where you downloaded that version of
Quick Office Premier with editing capabilites that work on the X ??

Yeas, the MMC card is probably not good... I get my new Sandisk 1Gb SD Ultra-II
60X card tomorrow

Hope this solves some of the irritation..

but the software compatibility issue is not solved through switching memory card!

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Still, after having had the phone for a couple of days, my Nokia 6600 seems like
a over sized plastic bading-toy for children that came out of a "Kinder Egg".. So
even if I am not 100% satisfied with the Sendo X (still) I must say like Einstein
said; "everythin is relative" - So I guess we using this phone are some
demanding people..

messus
Messus after all the problems you mentioned that you are having with Sendo X, you come with this "line" about Nokia 6600....I am using my nokia 6600 for about a year now and personally i never had to deal with any of the problems you had with Sendo X! So i dont think that "coming out of a kinder egg" would fit for such a phone like 6600. I was also thinking to upgrade my 6600 to a sendo X but after all the problems ive read in forums of people who own that phone i decided to go for the nokia 6630.

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Old 23-10-2004, 02:17 PM
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Messus after all the problems you mentioned that you are having with Sendo X, you come with this "line" about Nokia 6600....I am using my nokia 6600 for about a year now and personally i never had to deal with any of the problems you had with Sendo X! So i dont think that "coming out of a kinder egg" would fit for such a phone like 6600. I was also thinking to upgrade my 6600 to a sendo X but after all the problems ive read in forums of people who own that phone i decided to go for the nokia 6630.

I mean what I say.. I am not 100% satisfied with the Sendo X, but that is also
because expecations are very high to this phone.. I have had the N-6600 for
1 year now and know the phone inside-out. When it comes to design the
N-6600 is large and cumbersome, and has a "cheap" childish-plastic feeling to it
compared to the Sendo X, and it has no Stereo sound, no USB connection,
cumbersome replacement of memory card, only support for the slower standard
MMC cards etc... but people have different needs and demands!

I have upgraded the firmware twice on the N-6600, but still the phone is so
insanely slow that it just irritates the living daylights out of me!! So I had to
sell it!!

I have had most Nokia-phones up the years and have had lots of problems with
them also.. The reason for me being critical to the Sendo X is because I have
high demands!

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try the 7610, even worse
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try the 7610, even worse
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Nutzu, i've edited your post because it was of an offensive nature.please do not make such posts in future.

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Cool

read the comments , i am worrying about my future sendo-x.i am making a choice.

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1. The camrea is of dissapointing quality. Pictures seems blury and red. There
seem to be no difference between regular mode (day mode) and night mode,

6. The vibrator continues to vibrate for some time after a answering a phone call,
irritating. After making a phone call, I get an annoying loud piip in my ear from the
phone.. In general I think the developers of the Sendo X must have been deaf;
If you turn on keypad tones, even the lowest level is way to high in my opinion,
and even louder than the loudest I have ever hear on another phone. The
annoying sounds that play insanely loud when swithcing off (and on) the phone
should be removed or the volume severly lowered. If you turn of the phone before
going to bed, you risk waking up the whole house.

8. Speed. The phone is REALLY fast, and surfing inbetween menus goes like
a whirlwind, nomatter how much shit I have on the memory card. If I tried this
on my N-6600 it would hang...The phone does not recognize the memory card if I
switch it off and on again. I have to remove the memory card, and re-insert it for
the phone to recognize it, weird and not good..



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Hi, I have a few words to your comments, I'm an old N6600 new SendoX user like you. I still keep my 6600 to compare them more easily.

Firstly, the camera. Yes, its reddish when you start it but remember, in 6600 it was all white when you started the camera and you had waited for a second to see the image in the screen(at least in mine), you are waiting the same time even shorter in sendo for the reddish color to disappear. And I have to mention that Sendo is shooting a lot better in good light like daylight. With flash at dark, mine doesn't shoot reddish, its shooting like infrared nightshot video camera's, greenish white, very bright, I like this its like an effect

There's no difference with the night and day modes :( Even in normal mode it goes to the night mode itself. I think the engineers noticed that because the night mode is in the end after the medium small largex2 mediumx2 smallx2 largex4 mediumx4 smallx4

But in this low shutter speed mode there's no colored dots in the photo. In my 6600 the night mode photos were ending with lots of these colored dots.

I agree with you in the post answer vibration :(

Its very faster than 6600. Last days which I used 6600 I was fed up with its turtlish processing speeds and going to throw it to the wall, it was very slow especially in messaging. While its very fast when browsing btw the menus, there's no need to browse through the menus since you can use the panes. I've created a pane for my mostly used applications. I don't even press the symbian menu button anymore

For your memory card problem, try formatting your memory card in your Sendo after backing up your card for the images music etc. Mine was the same when I tried to use the mmc which I used in my 6600. After formatting it was completely normal.

Finally I want to add something after using 6600 for 8 months and having a lot of 6600 using friends, there's no dead pixels in Sendo's. My 6600 had 2, all my other friends' 6600's had dead pixels from 2 to 10. The lcd's of 6600's were very low quality

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