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Old 22-10-2002, 07:47 PM
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Motorola A830 - the next Symbian phone? aka Siemens U10?

Motorola have been a member and liscensee of Symbian for a relatively long time, but we have yet to see a Symbian device from then. Recently a leak spilled their roadmap for future phones on to the web in spectacular fashion, but what about something closer to the present day. All About Symbian has been investigating - this is what we have found. Update: Changes to reflect news of Siemens U10 and make it clear this is speculative.

Motorola have kept relatively quiet about the A830, but did recently show it off to journalists and it may become available as one of the launch phones for the Hutchinson 3G network in the UK. In fact we think that the A830 may be the long rumoured Paragon phone that Motorola have be known to be working on for some time.

But there's a problem some sources seem to think that the A830 may be a MS Smartphone powered phone. This would of course be a real shocker given Motorola firm position within the Symbian camp. However this speculation is simply untrue. The truth is that the A830 is a Symbian phone sporting a new user interface that is directly descended from Pearl (anyone remember that?!). That's to say the A830 is a Series 60 category like phone, but uses on of the 4 new UI's that are known to be due out of the Symbian camp soon.

You can see some pictures of the phone (along with some screenshots) here, and if you notice they have an uncanny resemblance to the Pearl UI that was first seen in a technology preview type images from Symbian (look particuarly at the font). You can see a few Pearl screenshots from the old part of this site here. I think that Motorola have taken the Pearl UI designed by Symbian and tweaked it for their own uses. It certainly makes sense that at least one of the new UI's (of four) should be Pearl like.

The specs of the phone would seem to confirm the basis of an argument for this as a Symbian phone:
[list][*]Weight: 157g[*]Dimensions: 135x53x24,2mm[*]Supported networks: GSM 900/DCS1800/PCS1900 & UMTS[*]Display: 176x220Pixel, 4096 colors[*]Integrated camera (one model with, one without) & Sd or MultiMedia Card[*]UMTS Downlink 384 kbit/s
UMTS Uplink 128 kbit/s
UMTS multi call/session (parallel transmission of several services)[*]WAP - version 2.0[*]GPRS (Multislotclass 8 (4+1))[*]MMS[*]Interfaces: Infrared one, Bluetooth, serial, USB[*]E-Mail-Client, Java support, MP3-Player, Videoplayer[/list:u]

These are all part of Symbian OS, noticeable the inclusion of bluetooth, Java and MMS especially suggest that this is defientley not a Microsoft OS phone as some have suggested (as if the the screenshot evidence was not not compelling).

Below there's one final comparison we'd liek to make. An image of the new phone, and the Symbian Pearl phone prototype / example image. Judge for yoursleves.



The one question that remains is when we see or laern more, and the answer to that is less clear, but with the A830 going through SyncML Fest 7 over the summer we're fairly sure that it's ready to go. It may be waiting on 3G from Hutchinson and when that is coming is anyone's guess.

There's one final conufsion point I want to address - why did Motorola recently liscense / announce co-operation on UIQ with Sony Ericsson? The answer to that lies in Paragon 2 which is a Symbian UIQ phone, but that's not due until time next year.

Thanks to the posters who commented on the first version of this article i was made aware of the recent announcement of the Siemens U10, this appears to be an indentical phone to the Motorola A830. I've included an image and some additional info / spcs below:
[list][*]Picture & melody messaging (EMS)[*]Voice Dialing (up to 10 user voice tags)[*]Enhanced PIM (calendar, phone & address book)[*]Sync of calendar entries and contacts with MS OutlookTM[*]Predictive text entry [*]Slot for MultiMediaCardsTM
- Wallpapers, screen savers & ringing tones
- Video and audio files[*]Bluetooth, USB, Infrared interfaces[*]Silent Alert[*]Mobile Internet Access[/list:u]



The one thing is that I would expect them to tell us which OS it runs on - they don't! But there is certainly circumstantial evidence pointing towards Symbian. One of the commentes also gave a link to the keynote by Motorola as this years developer conference at which they said a version of the A830 would run Symbian. Confusing or what? Anyone able to shed some more light on this?

UPDATE: (Thanks to efarb for pointing out this wasn't clear) This is speculation. I don't know. I'm highlighting something that interested me, and looked from some of the evidence like it could be a Symbian phone. I gave it my opinion. Sorry I didn't make this clear. Thats why the title was a question. From the comments and responses to the post it looks like it may be powered by a propietary OS. If someone could tell us more, especially an expanation for the quote from the Symbian dev conference I'd be grateful.
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Old 22-10-2002, 10:41 PM
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A820 and Siemens U10

A large developer community working with open standards is a key enabler. ‘The industry needs your skills’, said Gomez as he pointed to a product portfolio that included the advanced Motorola A820 – [This is our] ‘most advanced handheld ever. We will be offering Symbian OS versions of this phone and your creativity is the only limit to the consumer experience.’

Taken from the Symbian DevExpo :

http://www.symbian.com/events/devexpo02/keynote-fg-1.html

by the way siemens has annouced the Siemens, U10, which is the same phone has the A820 :

http://www.siemensmobilelaunch.com/products_u10.html

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Old 22-10-2002, 10:51 PM
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Siemens U10

Yesterday at a New York launch event Siemens announced 5 new phones, one of which is the U10, a phone that is exactly like the A830. It is the result of the cooperation between Motorola and Siemens.

The launch date for this phone is December 2 (at least that's what is written in the powerpoint data sheet on the Siemens site)

Here is the link to the website.

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Thanks for those. Looks like I was a bit behind. Ah well, it was a fun piece to research.

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Excellent,

Makes me want to go out and buy another Symbian Device. Shame non of the current options quite suit my needs.

With the UI being seperated from the OS, perhaps some more innovative hi-res options will come to market. More along the 9210 lines.

Oh, and are you absolutely sure these are not running the Microsoft OS.
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Old 23-10-2002, 09:49 AM
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that neither of these phones are Symbian based (neither are they M$). Rather like the Nokia 6650 (whose UI is very similar to the 7650) the OS is proprietory.

Why do I say this?

Firstly Siemens have licenced Nokia's Series 60 and are very unlikely to use another Symbian smartphone UI as they are doing the rounds with Nokia promoting Series 60.

Secondly, I'm putting money (not a lot) on the first Motorola Symbain phone being UIQ based given that they were already going this way with the joint venture with Psion (long abandoned) to developed the Odin.

Three neither Symbian or M$ have trumpeted the arrival of these phone.

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don't think it is Symbian - chk out the specs from Motorola:


http://kb.motorola.metrowerks.com/motorola/downloads/word/a830iss.doc

claims the OS is "Synergy (Motorola)."

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That could well be right. There's certainly some confusion. The quite at the symbian dev keynote seems fairly definite, and it does look like it could be a homebrew OS. I guess it'll be a case of wait and see.
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Moterola a830

Ive heard that the Moterola a830 can hold an SD card up to 256mb. The actual phone itself can view mp4, so in theory, can you convert a film to mp4 and watch it on your phone..

In low birate you can store 70min of film on a 128mb card, with stereo sound, so think of the possibilities.

Anybody tried this yet?
 

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