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Old 12-08-2010, 06:22 PM
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Time is ebbing away for Nokia to get S^3 products and Meego(/Harmattan) devices onto market and make an impact without slashing prices at the outset as Dell prototypes of the models rumoured last April starting with the Thunder are beginning to surface on t'internet see this engadget story which as they point out could mean that the rumoured Flash and Smoke may not be far behind the Flash in particular noffering strong lower mid competition and even the Thunder could be very competitively priced given Dell's pricing and purchasing power. If there's a manufacturer that can really challenge Nokia on production economies it must be Dell. And the other manufacturers are scaling up to assault the mid and lower tiers.

Today even the BBC had an item on it's homepage about the Android update to 2.2 and the Carphone Warehouse have been running a big Android promotion over the summer. Without any talk, mention, anything about Symbian, why? Because there are no hero devices in fact there are barely any 2010 devices so result no cares what it's up to anymore. Turning this disinterest around is going to be tough with permanently late to market devices that have been so previewed and novelty PR'd in advance that by the time it's actually physically available you feel has been out for 6 months. Same story with N97 and Sony Ericsson did exactly the same with their vapourware devices prior to their collapse. Too much PR not enough engineering, or cart-horse, sure Apple know how to whip up a PR storm but they make sure they have the product in place first and seem to devote their energies to that. With Nokia it feels they start by puffing it off and then think how to make the device actually run.

Nokia's eternal delays are proving really dangerous for them and the big guns are coming and although Symbian grew last year Android is really powering ahead and a lot of it's growth is coming at the expense of Symbian. Certainly Android would not have grown at the rate it has if Symbian offered a better challenge both in OS and Devices. i would also love to see data on how many Symbian SF^1/ S60V5 purchasers then go on to buy another Symbian or Nokia device, I think it could be surprisingly low and "second time" smartphone purchasers are going to Android, whilst Nokia is only really selling to existing S40/ S60V3 users . Which is OK for a bit because they have a huge installed body of them but at some point they have to start releasing phones that are ahead or at least up with rivals rather than six months to a year late
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Old 13-08-2010, 07:26 AM
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N8 Spain info...

Though the N8 price for Spain is correct, the article hyperlink points to Nokia Poland Shop where it should point to Nokia Spain Shop:

http://tienda.nokia.es/webapp/wcs/st...03_-5_50000430

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Old 13-08-2010, 07:28 AM
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Nokia are now putting themselves under loads of pressure with the N8,they should have kept quite about the N8 an the new symbian3 software to amaze everyone but they showed of the N8 in April an its still not released yet,an there will be loads who have bought another mobile instead of waiting for the N8,an if the softwares not up to date when its released people will start wondering whats going on at Nokia ,an still not able to create a Top Class Smartphone an compete in the Market,hope we do get the N8 on 26th August in the u.K as its been very annoying waiting to get my hands on the N8

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Old 13-08-2010, 11:10 AM
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"Nokia are now putting themselves under loads of pressure with the N8,they should have kept quite about the N8 an the new symbian3 software to amaze everyone but they showed of the N8 in April an its still not released yet,an there will be loads who have bought another mobile instead of waiting for the N8,an if the softwares not up to date when its released people will start wondering whats going on at Nokia ,an still not able to create a Top Class Smartphone an compete in the Market,hope we do get the N8 on 26th August in the u.K as its been very annoying waiting to get my hands on the N8"

Now thatīs a way to reason, another is to look at it more relaxed. Nokia is just another company releasing another product. I mean it canīt be the first time in your life you experience
an announcment 4 months in advance. The phone will be here, and if you decide to wait for it or not is up to you my friend. I reckon you will not be easily satisfied when the phone will be released since you are building this kind of negative pressure on yourself. Relax and enjoy the phone when you get your hands on it. Peace.

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Old 13-08-2010, 12:32 PM
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And there we go, because Nokia are moving so slowly and so predictably they're allowing their rivals to target them and pick off their market sectors at will. Right in the middle of Nokia World 2010 HTC have an announcement where they're probably going to introduce the Desire HD or the WP7 Phone the Schubert both of which announcements will steal a lot of thunder from Nokia. http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-...tember--709741

If the N8 still isn't out and Nokia can't bring any other new devices or announce the N9 (Meego) is just going to make them look ridiculous. Additionally Nokia promised one landmark phone in half one - that didn't happen much to shareholders' displeasure and another landmark in the second half. Tic toc, we haven't even achieved the first yet and frankly doesn't look like such a landmark with Android 2.2 out and Android 3.0 on the near horizon.

Nokia seem to behave as if they exist in a world where they have no serious rivals and those rivals actions or products have no bearing on Nokia's market or device plans ignoring their own loss of profitability and eroding market share. If the HTC Desire HD is the announced device and it's announced that it will be upgradable to Android 3.0 whta's Nokia's response going to be? For a start the current HTC Desire is going to get even cheaper pushing the price of the N8 before it's even launched (unless Nokia want rows of them gathering dust on shelves and I don't believe the carriers will tolerate another failure from Nokia) and even more so if the N8 is not upgradable to S^4. If the HTC HD device (whatever it's called is Android 3.0 capable it's going to put real pressure on the N9 Meego vapourware device it's going to have to be a hell of a lot better finsihed and more complete than the N900 and way better supported.

I really really hope Nokia have got some surprises (good ones not just that they haven't anything new to say) like the SF^3 devices being upgradable to SF^4 which they've been working on to bring out sooner hence the delays. Not that the phones were delayed because once again for some reason they couldn't get the supposedly most advanced and mature OS to actually work on a real device a la N97 and have spent four months trying to shoe horn it into working rather than moving forwards. After all by the Symbian Foundation's own timescale at the beginning of the year S^3 devices should've been out some and S^4 should be being hardened with releases around the turn of the year i.e. sometime around October/ November we should've been seeing advanced protos of S^4 devices whereas we don't have any S^3 (the interim fudge OS) releases at all and they probably won't be available in mass quantities until October at earliest.

Gosh I hope Nokia's got good surprises not more Powerpoint speeches for Nokia World. They really are betting the ranch on this and now because of the delays the focus is going to be on S^3 not on S^4 where the changes really are because the opposition is moving so much quicker. And I've got a horrible feeling that S^3 is going to get killed by the reviewers for being too like S60V5 which was (rightly) mocked.

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Old 13-08-2010, 05:58 PM
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Just watch September its going to be Crazy month more mobiles,as Htc going to annouce some new mobiles an Sony Ericsson touch screen psp phone an i bet the others as well,an who caused this Surge ,its Nokia annoucing the N8 early an delaying the release,Then we get the Sales an Shares at Nokia falling but its there own Fault an never learn from the mistakes they are making in the Mobile market,What going on at Nokia amazes everybody,an they want a Big shake up at Nokia or the are on the road to knowere in top end mobiles an will only succede in the Budget market

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Old 16-08-2010, 02:56 PM
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Play.com have pushed back the release date of N8. It was 26th August, now it's 8th October! OCTOBER?! What a cock-up!

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Old 16-08-2010, 03:02 PM
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Pay.com move back shipment date to October 8th on their N8 pre-order.
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2010/08...ck-to-october/

Which if we're being picky is Q4 not Q3 as promised after several other slippages, doesn't bode well for sales. Yes the phone maybe ready in the end for release (unlike obviously the N97 but they seemed to have taken that on board) but seemingly it is so difficult to get Symbian stable on new devices for releases that it's resulting in permanently delayed and behind the market releases.

After iPhone4, HTC Desire, Samsung Galaxy S and forthcoming HTC and Dell devices about to be announced is there any upper mid to high end pent up demand that's not gone/going elsewhere apart from a few photo geeks?

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Old 16-08-2010, 06:03 PM
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It's $549 + tax in the US, with a projected end-of-September release date.

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Old 16-08-2010, 09:59 PM
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Nokia might want to look at RIM's stock price today and be more aggressive on the N8 rollout. RIM is tanking on reports of light demand for the Torch. Nokia needs the N8 to be a hit (not just to "sell well," since even the N97 "sold well"). That likely means more aggressive unlocked pricing around the world, and for the US (where they still insist is a high priority for them) striking a carrier deal soon. Like it or not, Americans won't pay $549 for an unlocked phone, at least not in mass quantities. Nokia tried it, and so did Google. Heck, even the $600 iPhone didn't last long.

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Old 19-08-2010, 05:15 AM
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The N8 will really only attract the Nokia/Symbian die hard fans. Millions have moved on to better and brighter things. The only thing the N8 will beat the competition is on the camera.

Too little too late for Nokia.

The CPU is no where the power of a 1GHz snapdragon (been around for ages) let alone the 1GHz hummingbird.

Although CPU is not that important.
 

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