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Old 16-06-2010, 04:17 PM
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Time to apologise We never see comments from you that do not have some biased anti-Nokia slant. Isn't it about time you forked out many hundreds of pounds for and iPhone or Android device and found peace at last?
Hey thats unfair .

I am a hardcore Nokia user and they have been my handsets of choice for the last 5 years. I am currently on a n97mini and am very satisfied with it (contrary to what some people say about it on the net). I always thought my comments very unbiased and usually when i comment its out of curiosity or to clarify somebody's doubts. But I guess I was wrong.

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Old 16-06-2010, 04:40 PM
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one good point is that steve jobs in his presentation did compared iphone4 os with android , rim but he didnt mentioned symbian but he simply said others and he knows nokia and its pet need not to be cared with the horrific mistake done with n97 nokia will never make to the top three thats for sure


please dont hype the crap phones , as we have done previously with flahship n97

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Old 16-06-2010, 04:45 PM
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As much as I want to fall in love with the N8 (and will probably still get one when the time comes), i'm not sure that Nokia have done enough to push the phone forward and better it's rivals, or it's predecessors.

eg. comparing it to my 5800- Symbian 3 doesn't seem that far from 1, input mechanisms are the same, similar display size and pixel count, interface mostly the same (but not a bad thing), C drive still not big enough, already have Ovi Maps, browser same other than adition of Flash, less impressive speaker, battery smaller capacity on N8 (really?!)..........

Now, I love Symbian as it's (fairly) efficient and a degree of familiarity will be nice, but the question is- have Nokia done enough?

Only time will tell.

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Old 16-06-2010, 04:54 PM
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"Android 2.2 is being distributed OTA"

Nope. Not on the HTC Desire. You're thinking of the Nexus One etc. HTC replace the whole ROM and wipe the device for major version updates.

"I would not say that iPhone 4 has "on-board video editing"

As I understand it, there's basic merge/cut editing built-in. And iMovie in the store if you want more.
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Old 16-06-2010, 05:21 PM
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A good roundup, as always by Steve. I would be very interested in hearing about the initial thoughts Steve and Rafe have on the second-gen AMOLED screen of the N8 in comparison to the AMOLED in the i8910 and the new Super AMOLED in the Samsung Wave / Galaxy S. I am very tempted to go for an N8 to upgrade my i8910, but I am a little worried that the screen will be a slight disappointment. It is a shame that the display isn't a little larger - a 3.7" display looks like it could have been fitted with a little rejigging!

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Old 16-06-2010, 05:31 PM
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These sorts of comparisons are meaningless as the specs are mostly not comparable which leads to subjective assessments like the 12 mp camera sensor over the 5mp one even when the camera industry is moving away from just packing more and more pixels on small sensors due to the issue with increasing digital noise (and anyway how many people print larger than A4 which a 5mp camera is more than capable of doing),
The point with the N8 is that Nokia have decided to use a larger sensor size to reduce the digital noise issue. And the point about printing bigger than A4 is crap because the lenses on phones are all fixed wide angle, the only way to get decent zoom is to have more MP and crop sections, you could do more with more detail - which all early accounts and samples are suggesting the N8 gives. To suggest "how many print larger than A4" is simplistic, it's not the whole image that people will necessarily print.

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Old 16-06-2010, 05:33 PM
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With Pricing, doesnt the fact that the iPhone does not receive any operator subsidy, while all the others would be available for free on a monthly contract worthy of note?
All the phones including the iPhone will be available with sudsidies, all will be available free on a monthly contract. The prices count very badly against the iPhone.

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Old 16-06-2010, 05:57 PM
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Major OS update

Surely a feature when shelling out hundreds of pounds for a phone should be the ability to update the OS (not minor service packs).

You can (generally) upgrade Android.

You can (generally) go to the latest version of iPhone OS (for a price sometimes).

But Nokia have no history and there has been no mention of upgrades to the next major release of Symbian (E71 couldn't go to S60 3.2, N97 can't go to Symbian^3, etc).


Top end smartphones (in my opinion) have become too expensive to expect users to upgrade their phone every 12 months, and most subsidised phones are now on 18-24 month contracts. I hate to say it, but if I was paying for one of these phones, I'd be looking for one that could still be running the latest software in 2+ years time, and that's not Nokia.

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Old 16-06-2010, 06:02 PM
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steve your satio has a 1500mAh battery? cool!
you have pre-production N8 or pictures are from yesterday visit in london?

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Old 16-06-2010, 06:13 PM
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The point with the N8 is that Nokia have decided to use a larger sensor size to reduce the digital noise issue. And the point about printing bigger than A4 is crap because the lenses on phones are all fixed wide angle, the only way to get decent zoom is to have more MP and crop sections, you could do more with more detail - which all early accounts and samples are suggesting the N8 gives. To suggest "how many print larger than A4" is simplistic, it's not the whole image that people will necessarily print.
@ Unregistered (if that's really your name! Jks, lol) - My point still stands that as with my other examples, awarding the N8 the win based on mp is subjective and anyway even if the sensor is bigger I would be surprised if it's bigger than the sensor in a dedicated compact camera like the latest flagship Canon IXUS which has 10mp sensor because Canon have realized that mp aren't everything when it comes to image quality and trying to cram more and more on a sensor results in digital noise.

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Old 16-06-2010, 06:23 PM
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give me some good reasons why I should replace my N97Mini with any of these. Apart from to give good money after bad...

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Old 16-06-2010, 06:26 PM
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@paker: Blush. Sorry, a copy and paste typo. Now fixing
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Old 16-06-2010, 06:38 PM
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Steve, a comparison of the handsets would really have been enough to get you a gold star for an excellent piece.

However, choosing to score each phone, especially considering two of the handsets are not even out yet is like throwing a live grenade into a pit of snakes when it comes to provoking a reaction.

I'll declare that for the first time since the N95, a Nokia handset has been excited. I've seen the videos, I've read the specs and yes, it's looking good, very good. But excitement is all it is... you don't know a phone until the real thing is in your hands, and how you can rate a phone before it has been released, 'as-is' off the production line, is beyond me. Understood, you've played with prototypes and 'nearly ready' firmware in the case of the N8. But it is still not the real thing, is it? And as for the iPhone 4... hasn't Tim (Salmon)'s feedback on iOS4 given you pause for thought?

You don't need to be told that a phone is far more that the sum of its parts. The feature list is not going to define your user experience with that handset (god I feel dirty saying that). But that experience is ultimately what it is all about, especially if you are keeping scores?

I could cough and say 'bias' and 'N97 debacle' but we've been there, done that and got the T-shirt. I know everyone is dying to see a worthy high-end Symbian handset out there kicking arse. But until the actual N8 'as is' is released into the wild (nevermind the iPhone 4), please, I emplore you, just wait before making these 'top trump' comparisons. If the N8 turned out to be a dog... well, what would you think?

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Old 16-06-2010, 06:43 PM
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It wasn't a proper scoring, or even a rating - I was simply saving readers adding up the blue boxes for themselves 8-)

I *absolutely* understand that it's too early to pass judgement on either iPhone 4 or N8, but hey, it's always interesting to match devices up and see the way the land might lie.... I also wanted to demonstrate (yet again) how comparable the i8910 HD is with devices launched a year after it.... 8-)
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@feersumenjinn, there is only one good reason for buying any of these phones ! Because you want one !!!!! Nobody has to buy a mobile phone, people buy them (top end handsets anyway) because they want them. Pick a phone you like, that will do what you want it to do, and that's your 'good reason'
 

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