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Old 11-11-2007, 02:31 PM
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Which technically compatible phones should be added to the Next Gen N-Gage platform?

The reference hardware for which all Next Gen N-Gage games have been written is the Nokia N73, a slightly older Nseries phone. Many Nokia phones since then have been released which are technically the same or better, but which aren't yet part of the Next Gen N-Gage platform. Vote in our latest poll to tell us which of these "missing" phones most deserves a place in the Next Gen platform. (Those who want a bit of in-depth background information should read our earlier article on this topic.)

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Old 11-11-2007, 06:20 PM
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i really don't see why the 5700 was excluded, or how about the e90 and the e65? definitely must haves to play n-gage - even if they are business oriented; doesnt mean those people don't deserve fun - plus @ nokia if you need max revenue and $$ include everyone - im not complaining, i have an n93 and soon enough an n81 but i dont think anyone who bought any other phone should be left out
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Old 11-11-2007, 06:26 PM
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I agree, it doesn't make much sense. There was a long discussion about this in another thread, and no one could come up with a theory to explain all the missed-out phones.

The best theory was that they've only picked phones with large screens: all of the officially compatible phones have 2.4 inch or larger screens, whereas the phones excluded have 2.2 inch or 2 inch screens.

However, the N75 and N76 both have 2.4 inch displays yet they have also been excluded from the new N-Gage platform.
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Nokia N92 has huge 2.8 inches screen size as N95 8GB but it's excluded, what were Nokia people thinking?

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Old 11-11-2007, 06:40 PM
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still doesnt make sense, some phones can be linked up to tvs so if nokia wanted only large screened phones - add tv-out to all of them. it's not like the gba micro had a 2.4" screen and it still was a good hit, the e90 has a huge internal screen why not play games in it? what was the use of the gfx chip in the e90 then?

if people want to exclude the e-series because they are business oriented then exclude the n93 as it's photographer/golfer/movie-director oriented and not for games

what i thought of once before is that maybe nokia wanted extra sales - so if i bought a 5700 id go out and buy an n73 for the games - boosting the sales and increasing their base at the same time - but half the "normal"/"average" people would not opt for n-gage otherwise the guy in the office/school desk next to theirs will mock them - so the question really is: who is the person in charge of the decisions in nokia HQ?

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Old 11-11-2007, 06:47 PM
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Smile 5700 rules!!!

I dont know why 5700 wasnt included on the list??? I think it is the best Symbian phone ever made;...and it is the cheapest Symbian Nokia! So, do you think if there is any possibillity to somehow tell Nokia to put 5700 on compatable list(we could write a petition...)?
In my country (Croatia) it has very good price(our operator Vip sells it for about 300euro); and a lot of people are going to buy this model.
I have N5700 since August(my brother has N73, but 5700 rules!!!); and I think it is the best phone ever made; and it SHOULD be included on N-Gage commpatable list!!!

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5700 must be included (and N76). 5700 is the chapest Symbian phone and a lot of teenagers will buy it(and we know that the most of teenagers play mobile phone games). If Nokia don`t include it, they would lose a big part of NGage game coustamers...

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Old 11-11-2007, 06:57 PM
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"Nokia N92 has huge 2.8 inches screen size as N95 8GB but it's excluded, what were Nokia people thinking?"

I think that might be because the N92 was intended for watching DVB-H mobile TV services, but DVB-H isn't really available yet in most countries.

Here in Finland for example, DVB-H was supposed to roll out completely in 2007, but so far it's only really available in Helsinki.


"what i thought of once before is that maybe nokia wanted extra sales - so if i bought a 5700 id go out and buy an n73 for the games"

If they forced people to buy a separate device for games, most people would get a Nintendo DS or a PlayStation Portable, not a second phone.

If they were trying to encourage people to upgrade, why did they include a very old model like the N73 on the list?

None of it makes any sense, whatever way you look at it.


"I dont know why 5700 wasnt included on the list??? I think it is the best Symbian phone ever made;...and it is the cheapest Symbian Nokia!"

The 6120 (which is also not on the list) is even cheaper, about 250 euros brand new unlocked including taxes.
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Old 11-11-2007, 08:36 PM
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What looks funny to me is The Nokia E90 has a graphic chip just as in N93/i N95/8 GB also better internal screen and full keyboard, yet it's not in compatible list. Nokia can not just say it's a business model as it's S60 device just like the N95. They must tell us better reason than that. I still think they just wanna boot the N-series sell.

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"I still think they just wanna boot the N-series sell."

That explanation doesn't work either though, because the N75, N76, N77 and N92 have all been excluded from the compatibility list.

None of this makes sense.
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Old 11-11-2007, 10:52 PM
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I suspect some of it to do with relative sales of the phone (in the target markets) and going after what is easiest first. The N73 and N95 in particular have been very big sellers. The Eseries last quarter sold 2 million against around 9 million for the Nseries for example. I would imagine the N75, N77 and N92 are excluded on the basis they haven't sold that many because they either specialised to one market or one technology.

After all they have to make sure everything works and it is easier doing this with a small list of devices than universal support. It'll be interesting to see whether there are limits placed on it (i.e. will it really stop you installing on a non-supported phone).

Clearly Nseries support was a priority presumably because Nokia deem owners of such phones more likely to be interested in N-Gage. Whether that is true or not is open to debate!
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Sales must definitely count for something, that totally explains why the supposed "sore thumb" N73 is there, simply because so many people have bought it (and still buy it, its sim-free price has hardly dropped since launch so demand has probably stayed high).

Perhaps the N95 and N73 together actually account for the majority of the launch userbase?

But I'd be willing to bet the 6120 will outsell the N95 eventually, it seems to have been very popular with reviewers and visitors to AAS, it's excellent value for money, and in computing terms it's very similar to the N95.

If there's one absence from the list it's the 6120 that seems most puzzling, because it would probably expand the platform's userbase by millions (maybe eventually tens of millions). Such a huge expansion would bring in more than enough money to cover the costs of adding that model to the platform. On the other hand, going by the sales theory, maybe they're waiting to see how well it actually does sell in the medium term.

The frustrating thing is that there have been many good theories on this and the other thread, and they all seem to fit most of the phones, but none of them seem to fit all of the phones.
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Old 11-11-2007, 11:42 PM
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Agreed it would make sense to add the 6120 on sheer numbers terms... And to who to say they wont.

However I imagine they are sticking with Nseries for now since N-Gage is part of the Multimedia Group (if I understand thing correctly). Also for the user profile I mentioned above. i.e. Nseries users are more into this. The 6120 is selling well, but I wonder how many people are buying it because they want a phone rather than a multimedia computer / entertainment device.

I wonder if this the chnages to one single devices unit might not change things. Then there will much less seperation between the Multimedia and Mobile Phone group (well there wont be one!).
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I wonder if this the chnages to one single devices unit might not change things. Then there will much less seperation between the Multimedia and Mobile Phone group (well there wont be one!).
Yes, that will be interesting. Presumably Nseries will become more like XpressMusic, a sub-brand which is occasionally added to key models rather than a separately-promoted unit of the company.

This reorganisation should (hopefully) do Nokia a lot of good, it makes no sense to have some of their best products being overlooked by their publicity people just because they don't have an N before their model number. If the 6120 had been called the N50, one suspects review websites would have been falling over themselves to get one.

In fact, if anyone from Nokia is reading this: get a 6120, add wifi, call it the N50 and you'll have a big hit on your hands.
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I would guess it comes down to the hardware used within the device.

The N95 and others are based on the TI OMAP 24 series processors with hardware graphics accelerator. This may have something to do with which platforms will be supported.
 

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