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Old 04-05-2009, 10:25 AM
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Wither IM? Will The Live Status Message Succeeed Where Chat Failed?

Federation. No not the evil kind from Blakes 7 or the Star Trek goodie two shoes, but the federation of communications. It's one of the reasons that the internet really started to work. Look at the different operating systems, servers and applications that can all happily talk to each other. Every home, office and school with a router is a small network, connected to a bigger network, and so on and so on all the way up the pipe. So why is IM such a problem? Read on for my thoughts.

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Old 04-05-2009, 12:10 PM
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I can't see how email can be compared with gopher, not even for youngsters. Email is every every business, home etc. It's asynchronous operation works well for its purpose. Gopher barely went beyond the bounds of universities.

The problem with IM is that if people are not permanently attached to their client device then it does nothing more than email anyway.

Old 04-05-2009, 01:18 PM
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Actually, the solution is pretty simple...

(1) use XMPP protocol across all IM services (and keep it open)
(2) IM/messaging/microblogging client able to parse all services from one umbrella. In the ideal world, you wouldn't need a service to federate anything since its all being done on the client side.

IM providers like Fring and Palringo already show the way towards this, the thing is that the power to federate needs to be in the hands of users, not IM service cos.

Old 04-05-2009, 01:57 PM
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How about this:

1. Make a push email client that looks and works just like an IM client, with emails displayed just like instant messages.

2. Use email addresses instead of IM names.

3. Hey presto, a unified IM system where no one needs to register.

It would lack status indicators of course, but this might still be a better alternative to the splintered nature of IM.

Old 04-05-2009, 02:44 PM
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Hi Ewan,
Do you mean "whither" as in "where to" ? Or "wither" as in "to rot" ?

Old 04-05-2009, 10:43 PM
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While the big internet bubble burst many years ago, there are always new, smaller bubbles forming and dissipating. There are things in IT that, while wildly popular, are also huge money pits, since nobody so far has figured out a way to make money out of them. YouTube is one of them. Twitter, and micro-blogging in general, is another. The reason why you will probably see a proliferation of proprietary protocols, requiring proprietary programs, is that on a proprietary micro-blogging client program you can embed an ad banner that helps you pay for the server.

Old 05-05-2009, 12:16 AM
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Email isn't going away anytime soon - it is far too popular in the work world, etc. to disappear. The question is whether or not instant messaging is going to burst into the business world. Enterprise clients such as Brosix Enterprise Messaging are the way of the future.

Old 05-05-2009, 12:17 PM
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Ewan is right, Facebook has replaced email for the under-25 consumer audience.

<quote> Enterprise clients such as Brosix Enterprise Messaging are the way of the future.</quote>

Don't be silly. Only enterprises where they don't do any real work: advertising, etc. can afford to waste time.


Nobody wants to be interrupted every 30 seconds, when it takes 15 minutes to refocus.

"People take about 15 minutes to productively resume a challenging task when they are interrupted even by something as innocuous as an e-mail alert, scientists at Microsoft Research and the University of Illinois found in a 2007 study."


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