All About Symbian - Nokia (S60) and Sony Ericsson (UIQ) smartphones unwrapped

Old 29-05-2008, 03:32 PM
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The E61i gets a long-awaited update

Whoever thought this would happen? The Nokia E61i just received a major firmware update from v2.0633 to v3.0633.69.00 (for unlocked Euro versions anyway, yours may vary slightly). I'll add comments below as I discover what's new. Your comments welcome too, of course.

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Old 29-05-2008, 03:56 PM
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US version

Looks like it's not available yet for the US version. Just tested on a US unlocked E61i.

Old 29-05-2008, 05:01 PM
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Bricked it!

Oh dear. I was 12 minutes into the estimated 15 minute re-flashing process when my darling children charged past my desk with their elephantine feet. The vibrations caused the phone momentarily to lose its connection to the data cable (I heard the PC dong-donging like mad). The phone didn't restart when the NSU finished. I restarted it myself: all I get is the startup tune/hands across the screen, then blank.

I spoke to my local Nokia service centre. They are fairly hopeful that they can re-flash it without having to send it back to Nokia

Fingers crossed!

Old 29-05-2008, 05:46 PM
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Or try green-*-3 held down for 10 secs during power on etc. Does this help?
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Old 29-05-2008, 06:37 PM
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Unbricked it!

I don't know how you knew that trick, Steve, but it worked!

Thanks a bunch; I owe you one for that.

Old 29-05-2008, 07:26 PM
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it's just the standard hard reset sequence for any S60 smartphone.

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Old 29-05-2008, 07:33 PM
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Yes I realise that, after I plugged that combination into Google. It's a bit similar to the Palm method of holding the power key while pressing the reset, or some such.

At least it saved me a trip to the service centre. Thanks again.

Old 29-05-2008, 08:50 PM
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Unhappy What about the rest of us?

Why is it that the 3 'smart phones' that are in my household are long forgotten? The E61, E70 and N80 haven't seen any love in too long. They are all buggy and really need fixes to truly be reliable.

Considering the investment that I've made in these devices, the problems, and the lack of continuing support for them, I'm not going to consider other Nokia devices until Nokia has proven, for a number of years, that they will support 'older' devices. As a consumer, I refuse to accept excuses. Especially when I've invested in high end hardware that is capable of having firmware upgrades. I'd even consider paying a nominal amount for firmware that is reliable.

Nokia, make it work reliably or watch me spend my money on a competitors product. You may have the hardware and advertise the functionality, but if it isn't reliable it is nothing.

I wonder how Apple will be treating v1 iPhones in 2 years?


Old 30-05-2008, 07:45 AM
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Unregistered, the answer to your problem is simple: don't buy phones that are buggy. Don't rely on firmware updates appearing in the future to correct problems now. If a device doesn't sell well there won't be much incentive for the manufacturer to continue supplying firmware updates years after launch (and to be fair, there have been firmware updates for those devices, but those devices are two years old now so it's been a while since the last ones).

Vote with your wallet, only buy devices where the firmware that comes with it in the box meets your standards. That will encourage manufacturers to get the firmware right, either first time or through updates.

However as an E61 owner myself I'd strongly disagree that it's buggy or unreliable, it's actually pretty good in this regard IMHO. It's a bit slow, but then all smartphones from mid-2006 or earlier are pretty slow.

As for paying for firmware updates, you KNOW what would happen: people would accuse manufacturers of deliberately leaving features out or leaving bugs in, just so they can milk consumers even more. ;-)
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Dealing with SMS sending procedure from pressing Green to the little bucket icon disappearing is lightning fast!


Old 30-05-2008, 09:20 AM
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krisse: the response to your "smart" answer is simple: you can't name one Nokia phone that needs no firmware update.

by the time the phone is brought up by firmware updates to the level of functionality it was supposed to have at release, it gets outdated feature-wise. more often than not it is abandoned long before that time anyway (as E70, N80 etc). one shouldn't base their decision of picking a new phone on the number of firmwares it had. "it had a bunch of updates so Nokia cares about this phone so it must be working really well. or shall wait a few years to see if this other newer phone is going to get ore updates? uuh that's a toughy!"


Old 30-05-2008, 12:03 PM
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Krisse, your operator has not approved the latest versions

This is a common phenomenon in the handset market that same model of the same manufacturer provide different SW versions to different operator markets. In this case Nokia sure would publish the latest SW for all device variants if it wasn't for the operators not approving all SW versions....

Old 30-05-2008, 01:16 PM
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@Dave - you don't have to wonder how Apple will treat iPhone users in the future. Their policy is clear and has been in place for many years of selling iPods. You can expect one or two updates to fix bugs and then maybe an update to support a new service where they can sell you something in iTunes, but after a year or so you're pretty much on your own. Oh, and if another device comes out they may charge you for privilege of downloading that update, even though it runs on the same hardware. Apple considers a $500 iPod / iPhone a disposable device with a limited life-span. I do not.

I used my Nokia 6110 for years until it was replaced with the 7110, which I used until we moved the US and it was replaced with a 6310i which was also in use for years. It was eventually replaced with my E61, which is still in use. I do not consider the E61 buggy at all, and I consider myself a power user.

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I think Nokia is releasing firmwares frequently these weeks to block the hack that has been recently made on the series60 v3 phones. And they are probably aware about loosing big money since the ngage games have already been cracked also to be used on Nokia N73 (see pocketgamer's website for the news) - their delay in releasing a suitable ngage application for this phone is definitely causing Nokia and all the developers involved in the ngage business to lose major money in these cracked games.

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E61i new software update failed

I have not been able to update my Nokia E61i, RM 227, sw v. 2.0633.65.01 to the new version, it tells me there is no new version available. How can you tell if your E61i is American or European, mine should be Euro as I bought it in Lndon. Thnx.


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