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Old 16-10-2009, 07:45 AM
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What a load of tosh. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Symbian, but there is certainly something wrong with S60, which is not the same thing at all.

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Old 16-10-2009, 07:57 AM
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What a load of tosh. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Symbian, but there is certainly something wrong with S60, which is not the same thing at all.
Since most people's experience of Symbian is via S60 (in fact, it is the only way to use Symbian if you buy a new handset). It's VERY easy to see why the two have become synonymous.

S60 is besmirching Symbian's name.
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Old 16-10-2009, 08:05 AM
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Everybody seems to agree that iPhone, Blackberries, Palm Pre, Android phones etc. are better than the N97. Why?

My N97 had a bit of a rough start, but now the hardware is repaired and software v12 is stable.

I wanted a phone with a large, high resolution screen for surfing, a physical keyboard that does not cover my precious display area, one handed operation, a good 5MP camera, push e-mail, PC synchronization, stable OS, status of Mail, calender etc. on the home screen, integrated VoIP and emulators for retro-gaming.

What other phone should I choose?

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Old 16-10-2009, 08:12 AM
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People waiting for a proper Nokia smartphone smash hit should wait until Symbian ^4 and Maemo 6 devices will be hitting the shelves. The N900 has geek appeal, but it isn't as complete as current top end Symbian smartphone, and Nokia has already said it will not market it as such. 2011 will be the year of truth.

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Old 16-10-2009, 08:43 AM
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Everybody seems to agree that iPhone, Blackberries, Palm Pre, Android phones etc. are better than the N97. Why?
Laggy, out of memory conditions that cause app shutdowns and errors, lack of copy and paste (or any other) keyboard shortcuts, inelegant and over complex UI that lacks consistency, browser that struggles with many full websites and is hard to click links?

Just a guess.

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Old 16-10-2009, 08:54 AM
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Laggy, out of memory conditions that cause app shutdowns and errors, lack of copy and paste (or any other) keyboard shortcuts, inelegant and over complex UI that lacks consistency, browser that struggles with many full websites and is hard to click links?
Did not have any memory issues on heavy usage even with the first firmware. I am used to the UI as a long time S60 user. I am happy with the browser and it is not struggling with any of the sites I have visited. Unfortunately it is just flash light and some pages check for full flash. So that could be enhanced. But others do not even have flash support.

Shortcut keys and better Cut & Paste would be nice but this is not my main criteria for choosing a phone.

What was problematic for me was the initial experience especially when I had problems with flash photos in the dark and missing software. But meanwhile all has been fixed. (Except integrated VoIP still missing.)

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Old 16-10-2009, 10:58 AM
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For all the people who don't liek the N97... there are also a lot of people who are happy with the device.

It has out sold the Palm Pre and (I think - not sure about Hero and variants) all individual Android models available in the equivalent time period... That doesn't make it better or worse of course.

It also about addressable market - the N97 isn't perhaps a geek optimised device, but with its integarted services (and stuff like the home screen) it *may* be more consumer friendly. It really depends how you define the market niche...

That said clearly S60 5th Edition has UI issues that need fixing. Every platform has issues. The UI issues on the N97 receieved particular prominence because its a hot topic (rightly so), but other issues are just as important (for some) in the real world - device durability, battery life etc...
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Well they just lost another customer here - for life. I spent thousands of dollars a year on their products for the last few years and you know what, the N97 was the last straw. Bye Nokia, I won't miss you.

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Old 16-10-2009, 07:15 PM
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For all the people who don't liek the N97... there are also a lot of people who are happy with the device.

It has out sold the Palm Pre and (I think - not sure about Hero and variants) all individual Android models available in the equivalent time period... That doesn't make it better or worse of course.

It also about addressable market - the N97 isn't perhaps a geek optimised device, but with its integarted services (and stuff like the home screen) it *may* be more consumer friendly. It really depends how you define the market niche...

That said clearly S60 5th Edition has UI issues that need fixing. Every platform has issues. The UI issues on the N97 receieved particular prominence because its a hot topic (rightly so), but other issues are just as important (for some) in the real world - device durability, battery life etc...
Rafe, saying that the N97 has outsold the Palm Pre is not the greatest testament to the success of the N97. And let's face it, until the advent of the Hero, Android phones have been phones for the early-adopter/geek that generally don't appeal to the casual mobile shopper.

The same casual shopper won't have heard of the myriad faults of the N97 and will buy it because it is just that - Nokia's flagship, the best phone from the world's biggest mobile manufacturer with a trusted reputation.

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Old 17-10-2009, 09:33 AM
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For all the people who don't liek the N97... there are also a lot of people who are happy with the device.

It has out sold the Palm Pre and (I think - not sure about Hero and variants) all individual Android models available in the equivalent time period... That doesn't make it better or worse of course.

It also about addressable market - the N97 isn't perhaps a geek optimised device, but with its integarted services (and stuff like the home screen) it *may* be more consumer friendly. It really depends how you define the market niche...

That said clearly S60 5th Edition has UI issues that need fixing. Every platform has issues. The UI issues on the N97 receieved particular prominence because its a hot topic (rightly so), but other issues are just as important (for some) in the real world - device durability, battery life etc...
Well seeing as until this week the Palm's only been available to Sprint US customers (so 3rd network and CDMA in US) don't think that's a big shock. Whilst N97 available globally - and being returned in droves globally (was told by Nokia Regent St flagship store that they're not taking N97's bought outside UK in for repair even if you pay for it - only doing warranty work at the moment). And it isn't just UI issues Rafe - if you do a plain vanilla install of Nokia's own updates you will make the phone inoperable through out of memory issues. AAS's own how to (bodge) make your N97 work guide suggests not installing many software updates and removing all active homescreen widgets (one of the major sales points trumpeted by Nokia) to make the thing stable. So the phone's hardware (apart from the Camera, the useless GPS and worse speakers than 5800) is incapable of running the advertised features and after following your own guides you have turned a 500 N97 into a 500 5800 xpress music. I don't care anympore about v2.0, N97 customers have had to wait for many months for a software update just to make their paperweight function - it's not the UI improvements (though God knows they're overdue - what were they doing between October 2008 announcement and summer 2009 release, all in the sauna?) it's making the stupid (alleged) phone actually work at all.

So dismal has this experience been I really think Nokia owe the early (victims) adopters of this some form of compensation - this was not a cheap item. I know it's never gonna happen but something like free voice guidance upgrade to Ovi maps (which after all would cost Nokia very liitle in real terms) would be the least they could do to compensate people for their wasted time (days in some cases). But like I say never gonna happen, another satified customer.

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Old 17-10-2009, 10:56 AM
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N97 sales have dried up

Interesting post snoFlake. Found this at The Guardian, not mentioned by the editors here:

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Carolina Milanesi, research director for mobile devices at industry specialist Gartner, said sales of Nokia's flagship N97 smartphone do not appear to have been exactly stellar. "Despite their positive comments on the N97 I am reluctant to say that sales of 1.8m for a flagship product are good enough. Moreover, as Nokia stated at the beginning of September that N97 shipped 1.5m devices since the launch we can see that sales are actually not accelerating."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...s-for-a-decade

So Nokia stuffed the channel with millions of N97s, but sales have dried up completely. There will be a big write-down for this.

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Old 17-10-2009, 12:15 PM
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The N97 is a monumental example of a product which is 80% right (because it was incremental), but fails miserably in the 20%(because it was forced on them) end-users today care about.

The time to experiment (Services, Symbian^X, Maemo etc) based on success of others(Apple, Google etc) is not the way forward for a dominant company.

Nokia, You need to do your own thing !!! Before that, get your act together.

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Old 17-10-2009, 12:37 PM
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Hmm, the N97 looks to be following the N96 in Europe as a nearly phone and ith Nokia having made a good channel supply, I will be looking to pick up cheap one soon!

As one not idiotic enough to be an early adopter of any of these kind of devices. (see iPhone one, N96, countless Windows Mobile abortions and some poor Treo stuff from Palm) I will be happy to stand back and pick my quarry.

Nokia as a business seem to be holding up well, just can't get one or two products to where they want them. Impressive performance considering the Siemens provision, the current economic conditions and all the new entrants to the market.

N900 will be another disappointment. Be very careful of that one. You are warned.

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Old 17-10-2009, 02:42 PM
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A bit early to make the call on the N900?

But given the pattern of hype then disappointment over releases this year (anyone recall AAS being awash with how the N97 was going to be Nokia's 'white knight' back in May?) will the N900 be the one to break the cycle?
 

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