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No current plans for Samsung Symbian handsets

In a report from the IFA Consumer Electronics show Reuters quotes Y H Lee, Samsung Mobile's head of marketing, Y H Lee, as saying that the company is concentrating on "Android and Bada for its mobile devices". Samsung see that there is some "specialised demand" for Windows Mobile, but is "not seeing visible demand for Symbian". Reuters further reports that, although the company remains ready to introduce Symbian devices, it currently has has none planned.

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Old 02-09-2010, 05:21 PM
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Interesting piece. The only point I'll disagree with is that I don't think the market will bear seven different OS platforms, three open, and four high end closed.

Third party developers' resources and consumers' attention are limited.

I think over the next couple years there are going to be shake-outs, consolidation and outright elimination by acquisition.

I don't see Bada going anywhere, for example. Meego, maybe, but it'll depend as most things, on consumer uptake/interest. WebOS, who knows; depends how H-P handles it or does with it. It was great on a Palm Pre, but I have no desire for a WebOS printer.

We'll see, I guess.

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Old 02-09-2010, 05:44 PM
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Also think Sony Ericsson are downscaling (cancelling) their Symbian involvement as they purportedly want to be the World's largest Android vendor and I don't believe SE are big enough after their cut backs to support Symbian, WP7 (which we kn ow they are committed to as a favoured partner) and Android along with their featurephone OS. See my thread in the S60 forum.

Sony info via Unwired View

Looks like Symbian left with Nokia - that was a waste of 2 years and Euro 800mln odd.

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Old 02-09-2010, 05:48 PM
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Meego isn't closed source

No room for Windows Mobile 7 (or whatever it is this week) then?

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Old 02-09-2010, 05:48 PM
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Just like me - I also don't have any current plans for Symbian handset :-) (moved to Samsung Galaxy S)

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Old 02-09-2010, 06:06 PM
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Smile Android is preferred by many

I think that it'll be very hard for symbian to survive. Depends on how well the Android 3 turns out but it already has a strong manufacturers support.

Meego might change this. Two weeks to find it out.

I have Nokia N82 and waiting for Android 3 device or Meego IF it really comes out with an impressive device.

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I must say the vast discrepancy between talk and reality is quite amusing really. Browsing the nonsense in the comments here you'd think Symbian was rapidly on the way out. You do all realise it's so far in advance of Android (it's nearest competitor) it's just not funny? Apart from the installed Symbian based of 350 million+ (vs what? - 10 million for Android?), Symbian sales are running at 300,000+ per day vs. 200,000/day on Android. Please show me the maths where a 100,000/day shortfall for Android makes up a difference of 340 million - a difference that is widening by that 100,000/day?

Furthermore, if you read the articles on AAS on Symbian vs. Android in the low end smartphone sector, we see clearly that Android simply can't compete due to fundamental architecture problems (i.e. basically unfixable). So Symbian will rule the entire low end for the forseeable future. And where is all the growth in smartphone sales - at the low end. And where is all the growth in mobile generally? The developing world (emerging markets). Which loves low end, and loves Nokia already (and where these places have smartphones already, they're all Symbian). So one can easily forsee a future where Symbian increases it's dominance to unimagined levels - gradually consuming the entire featurephone market bit by bit - and Android will always be trailing Symbian in this growth because Android can never run well on the cheaper hardware that Symbian can.

As for usability Symbian^3 is more than a match for Android, Symbian^4 will cement that further.

Finally, BADA is nowhere, and with few prospects. Yes some handsets will be launched, yes a few devs will offer a smidgen of support, but big sales? Sales to rival S40 or Symbian? Never going to happen, not even slightly close.

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Old 02-09-2010, 06:59 PM
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I must say the vast discrepancy between talk and reality is quite amusing really. ..... Never going to happen, not even slightly close.
I am not Goolge, Samsung or Nokia shareholder or employee so I totally don't care about their market shares, number of phones per day or how much money they make. I do care about my phone and the apps I can run. I finally have a fast phone with Dropbox, Evernote, internet radio etc. and fantastic high res screen.

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Samsung

Who the hell cares if Samsung releases Symbian devices or not?
With their crappy support of their recent Symbian devices, I am crying dry tears on this announcement to be honest. From a consumer point of view, it is utterly irrelevant that Samsung is dropping Symbian, since Symbian has always been best on the Nokias and Sony Ericssons anyway.

As for BADA, well who knows what is going to happen, it can go both ways. No doubt Samsung will try everything they can to make BADA a success. Just like Nokia, Samsung doesn't want to be a Google OEM of they can help it.

Whether SE will stop supporting Symbian is in no way confirmed. Their Vivaz has been quite a sales success and it is in fact a decent device. But of course their X10 Android line has also been a success, so who knows. Nothing is confirmed nor sure, yet. The jury is still out.

Actually, the only caveat for SE regarding their non-Android handsets, is their sporadic support for their Playnow Arena app store for their feature-phones and Symbian phones. If SE doesn't step up on that front (and the assumption that "apps" is so important as tech media would like you to believe), they might very well seal their fate as a Google/Microsoft OEM in the future, and hence the rest of the discussion is irrelevant. Is that a valid way to go for Sony Ericsson? Well, maybe or maybe not.

So, if Nokia ends up being the only manufacturer using the only true open-source OS, Symbian (and Meego)...well, so what? It is the only Symbian manufacturer who puts the necessary support (Ovi Store and other services) in Symbian anyways, and has by far the largest scale.

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I did mean to include Windows Phone 7 in the 'boutique' list, all of which are 'open' in the sense I was talking about. Clearly open in terms of governance and code are different matters.

I'd also agree that there is likely to be some consolidation too. Difficult to pick out any thing particularly. Most platforms now have a major backer with the money to keep trying / support it.
Just as Nokia puts people off Symbian so will Google put people off Android. Manufacturers will not want to become Google OEMs in the style of the PC market. Thus I expect to see a certain amount on multi-OS plays from other players (HTC, Sony Ericsson, LG, Motorola).

Sony Ericsson is a hard one to judge. It is enjoying significant success with Android, but I'm not sure how sustainable this (thinking competitive Android scene and the plenty of cost based competition). They have said they want to go to two OSs: Android + ?. I suspect internally there's probably a big debate going on right now, with different people on each side. Symbian is somewhat handicapped by its current form (Symbian^1), but looking to Symbian^4/5/6 it looks much more competitive. WP7 is a bit of an unknown and may not be a great match for Sony Ericsson global footprint, but does seem to have some promise, especially in the US market... need to think about this one some more.

Yes its hard to see how Bada will go. But based on Samsung's number 2 position in mobile and strength in other consumer electronics I think it should be taken seriously. Samsung is probably the only company (along with Nokia) which is big enough to be a platform on it own.

Of course such predictions, such as these, are not easy to get right - too many factors involved, and much depends on market conditions/ demands / forces - its interesting to speculate about though.
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I think Samsung will consolidate to just 3 platforms, Android, Bada and WinPho7. It just doesn't make sense for them to support Symbian since it offers nothing unique that the other 3 doesn't.

As for SE, with the vast amount of customisation they have made to Android, I can't see them dropping it anytime soon. WinPho 7 is a complete OS with basically everything included (Maps, Marketplace, Exchange support, Zune, XBox) so SE has to do little to it (although this might be a negative as well). Symbian requires too much work and/or money and this is something SE cannot afford at the moment.

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Following the behind the scene discussions in the ecosystem, it has been clear that Samsung was not interested in making a device for Symbian^3.
They are definitely in a "Wait and see" mode, especially because so much is depending on Nokia for Symbian^4.
Looking at what is going on regarding the i8910 lately, I wrote a post:
Samsung i8910, an alternative to Nokia for Symbian^3? - http://jfourgeaud.wordpress.com/2010...-for-symbian3/

The poll has received quite much support with 974 votes, 950 in favor, at the time of this reply.
Some have even suggested that they are willing to pay to make that happen.

I've tried to contact Samsung representatives connected to the Symbian Foundation, but it has been quite difficult to engage with them.
It's a shame because it might not be such an investment to enable them to sell few more hundreds of thousand devices..

Heard a rumor the other day that Samsung was making an i8910+ that was running on Symbian^3, doubt so, but never know.

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If Nokia are going to sell Symbian phones and retain clear winner apps like Nokia maps only on Nokia phones, then there is no reason for other makers to attempt to build phones to compete.
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If Nokia are going to sell Symbian phones and retain clear winner apps like Nokia maps only on Nokia phones, then there is no reason for other makers to attempt to build phones to compete.
Bingo!

Why would any manufacturer in their right mind even attempt to compete with a Symbian handset? It's crippled out of the gate. If you go symbian, you have to provide your own store, mapping service, backup service, mail delivery system, etc.

If you go Google or WP7, those services are provided. Is it any wonder that nobody is buying this 'openness' crap about Symbian? Sure, it's open... but you'll spend tons of money replicating what's available on every other platform.

If Nokia *really* wanted Symbian to take off, they'd open up Ovi to all Symbian handsets.

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Who cares that Samsung aren"t going to Release no more Symbian mobiles,as they tried Bada an realised it was not as good as they were Expecting,They should not be allowed to choose the Software they want an stick to Bada,they are now Using Android just to succede in the USA market more an got windows 7 coming out soon ,but if Nokia get the Symbian 3 or 4 really going an Meego as well,Nokia should not let Samsung come back an use Symbian again the same to Sony Ericsson,hope Nokia show the others up an shows them they made the wrong decision not using Symbian on future mobiles
 

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