Originally Posted by Unregistered
> Nokia have been out of the top end battles for quite some time.
> Quite frankly, Nokia have been producing pure rubbish.
Oh dear, I'm afraid your own personal bitterness is rather on display here. Guess you bought an N97 or similar and then didn't like it. Dorry if that's the case, but if you'd calmed down a bit and said that some of Nokia's latest top end smartphones were less competitive than they could have been in some respects (mainly UI it has to be said) then that would have been a fair and balanced assessment.
As it is with comments like you've made you're going to be lumped in with all the 'Nokia and Symbian are dead' loonies on the net, who see the next thing to criticise and jump on it.
May I remind you that actually the N97/mini have done not badly at all, despite some initial hiccups, and this notion that Nokia's smartphone success is purely down to the low end is myth. Prove it.
I haven't bought an N97. However, I moderate these forums, and Nokia users.net. It's no doubt there are many annoyed N97 users, and that it was a very underpowered phone. Can you prove the N97 has done well? I didn't think so. Why don't you look at the network forums (Vodafone etc) to see whats going on as another source?
Even if you could get reliable sales figures - which you can't - this doesn't account for all the returns the networks etc have had.
There are very few non fanboys which are impressed with the N97, I suggest you look at the forums. And Im talking Nokia forums here, both Nokias own and at Nokia users. And obviously here.
Can you name a decent high end Nokia handsets which is good? No, because there simply isn't any. The N900, which while does seem to be getting good feedback, is a very niche device, and we have no idea how many Nokia have shipped.
There are actually many people whom want to buy a Nokia device, but there simply isn't anything out there. I've seen so many Nokia ethusiasts move to Android/iphones that there is obviously a massive gap in the market for Nokia.
What % of that market share was due to high end phones? You have no idea. Anyone with half a brain will know it's mainly due to the 5800 (and E series - check the charts released recently), which dispite any shortcomings, is truely an excellent phone in many respects, which is why I am still using one.
What's more, Nokia's smartphone market share grew 5% last quarter, which is HUGE all things considered, while poor old Apple's remained static, which is REALLY bad news for them, as it's traditionally the iPhone's strongest quarter, so a bit of a shocking result for iPhone which is also traditionally flat in the first half of the year until a new iPhone emerges.
Where was that result from? I didn't see the apple one remain static.
With all the recent amazing Nokia announcements (Symbian^3 demo, free Maps+Nav, Ovi Store successes, MeeGo) smart investors will be dumping Apple and Android shares, and rushing to buy Nokia
I have outed many iphone fanboys, now I am outing you as a Nokia fanboy (it doesn't help that your posting as 'unregistered').
I say that, because symbian 3 is only videos. No-one has had a hands on yet. It looks good, but to tout it as something for people to buy Nokias when it's not even due this quarter is far off the mark.
Perhaps the biggest tell tale is that your calling Ovi store a success. In no shape or form is it a success. The only thing that's boosted it is the recent free satnav, giving it a vast amount of downloads.
It's slowly getting better, but it really should have been much better from the start. Poor searches, categories not making sense, and software that was 'free' was in fact trial or pay for apps.
Your mistaking me for someone with a grudge against Nokia. I am someone whom wants to buy a device from them, but they don't have any devices to buy!
Ovi Maps has gotten brilliant. Symbian 3 looks
excellent, at least what's been shown (I'm loving the home screens customisation), and yes, the possibilities
of meegoo are very good.
But until we see it in action, that's like saying comes with music is going to be great (exceedingly low figures in case you didn't know). Or how about Ngage?
I'm complaining about the fact that the ones who want to upgrade with handsets with highend features can't. And worst of all, currently have no prospect of doing so. Nokia didn't even announce anything at their version of the MWC, so no-one has any idea when handsets running S3 will come out.
You could say there will be when they have given the rough date for S3, which is the 3rd quarter. But with no announcements, no-one has any idea what spec they will be.
I and many others assume that it's going to be reasonably good, considering the things S3 has (HDMI support for example). But given that other makers are shouting about their devices, people are flocking to them.
The halo, XT800, desire, etc etc. Nokia must surely have some phones being made, why not announce them?
Of course Nokia is not going to fall - handsets like the 5800 and S40 type phones are the main moneymaker for them anyway. I'm simply saying that they haven't made any inroads to the highend smartphone market for ages.
I want to buy a Nokia handset, or at least plan to buy one. But at the moment it will be the motorla XT800 if it's released over here. My sentiments are echoed amoung many people.