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Old 27-03-2009, 10:19 AM
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Nokia Maps servers currently with issues, fix coming soon

I've been investigating the fact that Nokia Maps' online searching (for example, for full UK postcodes) is currently broken - a spokesman for Nokia said "We are aware of the problem and are working to get it fixed as soon as possible". More data points would be welcome - do full postcode searches work in your country at the moment?

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Old 27-03-2009, 10:59 AM
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Thank god for that !!

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Old 27-03-2009, 11:19 AM
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> do full postcode searches work in your country at the moment?

Finland....no, and yes...the post codes in Finland are numeric, so we can't type them in (numeric keys are used for short cuts in the maps application)...but if I type in a letter first, then the post code, then delete the letter, then it works. Putting 'finland' first seems to work.

Same for Chinese post codes - they're numbers only, so I have to enter some random letter first. I have to enter the country too 'china', of course. If I try to put the country first then the number, which would mean I don't have to do the hack of entering a random letter to get into the text field, then it works ok.

If I try a UK post code, it works if I join the post code into one string, rather than having a space between the two set of 3 as is customary; oh, and add 'uk'. Yes, it chops the last two letters of the code off, just like someone else mentioned :/ Putting 'uk' first works in this case too.

Odddd....

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Old 27-03-2009, 11:39 AM
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I noticed while researching the 5800 maps tutorial that a category search (for example trying to find the nearest restaurant) would sometimes return results that were entirely in cyrillic!

Presumably what was happening was the servers refused to find stuff in Finland and defaulted to Russia (which is next door), but then when I tried again they did display Finnish search results.

It sounds like the Nokia Maps servers have a touch of flu...

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Old 27-03-2009, 03:30 PM
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To be honest, the new update of GMaps is so much quicker and better at delivering accurate results, I've not touched Maps for months. Too slow to start and a pain in the ar$e to search. Post code searching has been wonky on it for ages - only accepting 4 digits/letters rather than the full 6 for example. The only thing going for it is the downloadable content which saves me a pretty penny abroad - but that's about it...

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Old 27-03-2009, 04:01 PM
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For more data points, looked up some UK postcodes on Nokia Maps on a 5800 and it has the same problem of cutting off the last two letters.

I wouldn't get this out of proportion though. Postcodes in the UK are usually specific to a particular street, but in many (most?) other countries they're for general areas, so they wouldn't be that useful for navigational purposes. For example in Finland the postcode denotes the number of your local post office, so all the people served by that post office would have the same post code.

I just looked up my own area's postcode in Finland, which works perfectly by the way, and it covers hundreds of streets. There's no way that I would use a postcode for route-planning in this country.


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Too slow to start
I'm not sure what device you're using, but Nokia Maps is a lot faster on the 5800 than it used to be on my N95.

Just timed it: Nokia Maps 2 on my 5800 loads up in about 3 seconds after pressing the icon, phone mast lock 10 seconds after pressing the icon, GPS lock in 30 to 40 seconds after pressing the icon (and that's a lock while indoors near a window).

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Old 27-03-2009, 04:27 PM
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Hmm... maybe this is the problem? Just wondering if the UK postcode problem is because of their unusual length, can someone help verify this?

Most countries seem to use a 5 digit code:

12345

but the UK mostly uses a 6 digit code with a gap in the middle, taking up seven spaces

AB1 2CD

If you count the gap as a character, that makes seven digits in all.

AB1-2CD

Seven minus five is two, so perhaps the Nokia Maps server is trying to make a seven digit UK code fit into a five digit slot, and ending up with this:

AB1-2

and if we take the hyphen out it becomes

AB1 2

...which looks very much like the glitchy postcodes we've been seeing. If I'm right then longer UK post codes should have even more characters missing from the end, and a maximum of five characters undisturbed at the beginning.

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Old 27-03-2009, 08:15 PM
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@davidmaxwaterma,

Not sure what you are talking about regarding Finland. I am there right now, and use Nokia Maps with postal codes. I put in: 00550 (Helsinki), the street, and it worked.

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Old 27-03-2009, 08:17 PM
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It's more accurate to say that UK postcodes are of the form ABxy zCD, where x, y and z are positive integers. The first nine belonging to AB are shown simply as 1 to 9 rather than 01 to 09.

If you live in Northern Ireland for example, I think I'm right in saying that all of the postcodes are Belfast based ie begin BT and go from BT1 up to BT94.

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Old 27-03-2009, 08:41 PM
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Just for the record, and to dispel other posts, UK postcodes DO NOT have a standard format - they have many formats...

For example, MOST are:
"AA1 1AA" (real example: "NE9 6AR")
(Two letters, a number, a GAP, a number, and two letters).

But many are higher numbers so double digits for the first part (thougn NOT the second numerci bit), for example:
"AA11 1AA" (Real example "NE42 9BR")

BUT, others, such as in London particularly, are different again, in a fromat such as:
"A1A 1AA" (Real example: "W1C 9UJ")

And I am not sure if ther are even more varieties for London.

So the UK does NOT have a standard format as such for postcode layout, or length, as they use a few different formats, and can be seven OR eight digits long, including the gap in the middle.
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Old 27-03-2009, 11:43 PM
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Yes, shadamehr is right, and I am wrong, so I will enjoy some tasty humble pie.

From Universal Postal Union site:
The postcode will be in one of the six following formats. 'A' represents a letter of the alphabet and 'N' a digit:
Format Example
AN NAA M2 5BQ
ANN NAA M34 4AB
AAN NAA CR0 2YR
AANN NAA DN16 9AA
ANA NAA W1A 4ZZ
AANA NAA EC1A 1HQ
There is only one exception to these formats: GIR 0AA.

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Old 28-03-2009, 11:08 AM
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So the UK does NOT have a standard format as such for postcode layout, or length, as they use a few different formats, and can be seven OR eight digits long, including the gap in the middle.
You're absolutely right that there's no absolute formula that covers them all, but there are two things they have in common:

-They all have a gap in the middle

-They're all six or more characters long including the gap in the middle

As most other countries' postcodes use five characters, it could be that an assumption of five characters is the problem in Nokia Maps' database.

And as I said above, this would fit in with the last two characters missing from UK postcodes in the form XXX XXX. However, it doesn't fit in with the last two missing from those in the form XX XXX, so maybe this theory isn't true?

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Old 28-03-2009, 11:55 AM
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Yes, shadamehr is right, and I am wrong, so I will enjoy some tasty humble pie.

From Universal Postal Union site:
The postcode will be in one of the six following formats. 'A' represents a letter of the alphabet and 'N' a digit:
Format Example
AN NAA M2 5BQ
ANN NAA M34 4AB
AAN NAA CR0 2YR
AANN NAA DN16 9AA
ANA NAA W1A 4ZZ
AANA NAA EC1A 1HQ
There is only one exception to these formats: GIR 0AA.

Willamoni,

No humble pie eating required, rest assured. Indeed your follow up was most helpful and comprehensive, as there were many there I missed too, including the single character standard postcode: M2 5BQ

So thanks for such a handy full list.
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Old 28-03-2009, 12:08 PM
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ok so the postcode search doesnt work properly and its great news that they are trying to fix it, in the mean time just search addresses. Every address i put in (street and number) finds the house i want exactly on the map, dead easy.

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Thanks shadamehr - kind words - it ain't always so on internet forums!
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