
18-11-2005, 04:57 PM
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Orange Software (homescreen) - A letter to orange
I'm sick to pieces of "Orange Software", their modified standby screen. I've sent them this message, I'll post any replies I receive here.
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“Orange Software”
My sister recently downloaded a malicious program onto her computer which changed the home page of the browser. It wouldn’t let her change the homepage through the normal menu and there was no way provided to uninstall this malicious software. Thankfully, because it was malicious, a virus checker picked it up and removed it.
Why have Orange added this kind of software to my Nokia 6680?
A different standby screen is pasted over the top of the standard Nokia one, which I don’t need and more importantly don’t want. There isn’t an option provided to disable this “add-on”, why?
I called Orange and was told that tests had shown that users find this piece of software useful and intuitive. I am a user, I find it annoying, counter intuitive, confusing and visually tacky. I’m not alone here, see this google search for “6680 orange homescreen” http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=668...hl=en&safe=off.
I go into the themes option on my phone and make a change to the “wallpaper”, yet the wallpaper of the standby mode does not change because it’s overridden by Orange Software, is this intuitive? In the “settings” section I change the action of the directional pad in the “Standby Screen” section, however this no longer effects the standby screen, in which way is this intuitive? Making options on a phone ineffective can not be considered “useful” or “easy to use”. It’s confusing.
People have gone as far to develop a ‘hack’ called HSKiller which tries to disable the Orange Software, however it is not reliable. This is mainly because the orange software is coded into the firmware of the device so it can not be simply closed down. Who on earth thought this was a good idea? Are you aware that Microsoft got sued because of similar actions with Internet Explorer?
I want this software removed from my phone promptly and in future versions of “Orange Software” I recommend you add the option to disable it as it’s no different to the types of malware I described in my first paragraph.
I’m in the town of Middlesbrough, I understand that the Carphone Warehouse here have the means to update the firmware on my phone. I suggest you arrange and authorise for them to flash the STANDARD nokia firmware onto my phone, so I can use my phone without the burden of “Orange Software”.
Regards,
Jake.
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19-11-2005, 02:53 PM
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Hi Jake,
I must admit I have to agree, I have a 6630 on Orange and I don't see why I should be forced to have their background, as you say it should be optional. I look forward to hearing what Orange have to say.
Andy
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19-11-2005, 07:16 PM
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Hi,
I had to pay 25 euros to a Nokia center, in order to get rid of the Orange France homescreen. It looks to me like pure robbery - I didn't even know this homescreen can't be removed when I bought the phone...
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22-11-2005, 01:24 PM
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Dear Jake
Thank you for your mail about your handset.
We are sorry to hear that you do not like our software. The Orange branded 6680 comes with our own software pre-installed and unfortunately we are unable to remove this for you.
I trust this answers your enquiry.
Kind regards
Katie
Orange Customer Services
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And my reply:
You say that you are "unable" to remove this software, do you actually mean "unwilling"?
I have seen a 6680 running perfectly fine (in fact, faster and easier to use) without Orange Software. I have spoken to Nokia service operators who tell me it is perfectly feasible to have the firmware on the phone replaced with the default Nokia firmware. I am confused at why you are "unable" to do this as the equipment required to remove the Orange Homescreen from a phone is exactly the same as the equipment used to put it on there in the first place.
Further more, I now find out that Orange have removed "Active Standby" from my phone, one of the praised features of the 6680. I was not told about this when I bought the phone and contract. This is akin to being sold a car where the passenger seat is replaced with a patio garden chair, without the dealer informing me prior to sale.
You are able, and it is possible, to put default Nokia software onto a 6680. I was not informed that features were to be removed from my phone, and I want them put back. My local Carphone Warehouse has the equipment and trained staff to handle this. Orange should authorise and pay for this, as I expect the Nokia 6680 I bought to contain all of the features of a 6680 as I wasn't informed otherwise.
If bureaucracy is in the way, I have access to changelogs between my current firmware and the latest Nokia firmware. From this a list of 'faults' with my phone can be created that can be fixed with the new firmware. Faults should be fixed free of charge as they are covered by the warranties I have with Orange and Nokia.
Nokia spend an awful lot of money on the interface and usability of their phones, far more than Orange and it shows. I'd like to use Nokia's more developed and customisable interface please, as those are the features of the phone I purchased.
I am extremely dissatisfied with Orange Customer service and the misinformation I have been given. Only yesterday I called to enquire about the terms of the 3 months free internet usage I had been informed about upon registration. I was told by two separate operators that I only had free access to certain Orange sites, and "no customers in Orange get free internet, it doesn't happen" (repeat about 8 times). In a third call I was trying to find out how much of a bill I had accumulated while using what I thought was free access, and seek compensation. I was told that I DO have free internet access for 3 months, to ANY part of the internet. Another operator also told me there are no bundles for picture messaging, I now find out that is not the case.
1 out of 5 people on your helpdesks are well informed, yet the vast majority are dishing out misinformation.
If you refuse to update the software on my phone, please help me work out the legality of this by highlighting the part of my contract that states that I will receive a 6680 with features removed.
Regards,
Jake.
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22-11-2005, 03:32 PM
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In the future the Home Screen will be a removable option (on version 2.0). I know Ornage has listened on this, but I guess these things take a while.
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22-11-2005, 04:06 PM
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Yes, but I'm almost certain they won't let you re-enable Active Standby. They'll see their software as a replacement for that.
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25-11-2005, 01:29 PM
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Ha! I've just found out they've also messed up my number transfer from my T-mobile account.
Not only is this an inconvenience but it's cost me an extra months line rental on my old account. They've given me 14 days free line rental as compensation, which doesn't at all pay for the damage.
Never EVER get an account with Orange. This is just one problem after another. Never have I delt with a company so incompetent.
1. Told about the incorrect deals before purchase
2. Purchase delayed because Orange systems refused to recognise my NUS number
3. Orange have removed software from my phone and refuse to put it back on, without telling me at point of sale
4. Orange lie to me by telling me that it is physically impossible to change firmware on my phone
5. Orange can't decide if I have 3 months free internet or not
6. Orange mess up the transfer of my number from a previous contract, costing me money and I have to carry 2 phones around with me for another week
That's almost a problem for every day I've been with Orange so far. I wonder what tomorrow will bring.
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25-11-2005, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaffa The Cake
... I wonder what tomorrow will bring.
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Vodafone?
Heh, sorry, couldn't resist. On a more serious note I hope your woes get sorted soon. With regards the Orange HomeScreen, I was under the impression that Nokia Service Centres would update/re-flash the firmware on new phones (less than 12 months old) for free as it is classed as warranty work. Could you not visit a NSC and ask them to update the firmware on your phone to a generic Nokia version as opposed to an Orange flavoured one?
I remember years ago getting my 7110 firmware updated at a NSC and it didn't cost me a bean.
S.
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20-04-2006, 07:25 PM
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Solution to N70 Orange blurry background
***OK got this from my-symbian.com FAQs - This replaces the blurred background image on the Orange N70 homescreen with a clear one!!!!!
You can convert your pictures to the MBM format using BMCONV.EXE tool included in the UIQ SDK package.
***(Download from here: http://www.spencer.nildram.co.uk/zips/bmconv.exe)***
When creating multi-frame MBM pictures, first create all pictures to be converted and save them as separate files in BMP format (BMP is an uncompressed format and it doesn't degrade your pictures' quality).
BMCONV.EXE is a console program that has to be run from a command line (DOS box). To make things easier, copy the BMCONV.EXE program and your pictures to the same folder - this way you won't have to
write full path for every picture in your command line.
Lauch your Command Prompt window and change current directory to the one with your pictures and the BMCONV.EXE program by typing CD path_to_the_folder.
The syntax for the BMCONV.EXE program is as follows:
BMCONV.EXE name_of_mbm_file_to_be_created.mbm [colors]name_of_first_bmp_file.bmp [colors]name_of_the_second_bmp_file.bmp .... [colors]name_of_last_bmp.bmp
[colors] is the numer of colors to be used in the destination MBM frame. Valid options are: /1, /2, /4, /8 for greyscale images (e.g. /1 produces a black&white image while /8 generates an image with 265 shades of grey)
and /c4, /c8, /c12, /c16, /c24, /c32 for the number of bits for color images (e.g use /c8picture.bmp to convert a 256-color picture.bmp file or /c16picture.bmp to convert a 16-bit picture.bmp image). There is no space
between the number of colors parameter (e.g. /c16) and the file name of your picture to be converted.
***(I found C16 worked for a normal colour bmp)****
For example, if you create a new MBM file (called newfile.mbm) from a picture called picture1.bmp you would use this:
BMCONV.EXE newfile.mbm /c16picture1.bmp
You can use any 176 x 188 bmp image to convert into the N70 wallpaper
ONce you have created the mbm file, you need to rename it as BckGrd.mbm then use something like Fileman to copy it to your phone in the folder: C:\system\Data\Plugins\HomeScreenAIPlugIn , replacing the
BckGrd.mbm file.
Hey presto - you have a non blurry background image.
At least it's something towards a better homescreen!!
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20-04-2006, 08:11 PM
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I can now confirm that future version of the Orange Home Screen will be optional and further it will be possible to use Active Idle instead. This should apply from s60 3rd Edition phones onwards.
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01-05-2008, 07:58 PM
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Good news for S60 homescreen sufferers!
For those of you suffering from the Orange Homescreen, and not already aware, you can now reprogram the product code of your phone and updating to the generic Nokia firmware. It's a massive improvement. I found a guide here: http://nokia.nigelcoldwell.co.uk/firmware.htm but there are plenty of other articles on it now.
HOWEVER, the USB cable driver that is installed with the latest version of Nokia PC Suite blocks the NSS. You should use the CD that came with your phone to install PC Suite, or find PC Suite version 6.84.10.3 online - last time i saw it was still available from Nokia Caribbean!!
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