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Rafe 06-08-2010 09:21 PM

Nokia C6 in pictures
 
With the Nokia C6 starting to hit the shops around the world, we kick off our C6 coverage with the usual comprehensive picture gallery. It is a hybrid device, with both a touchscreen and a QWERTY keyboard, in a horizontal slider form factor. It is the third device in Nokia's new Cseries range, following on from the C5 and C3. With a price point of around £250 is sits firmly in the mid tier, effectively offering a cheaper version of the Nokia N97 mini. David will be sharing his first impressions on the C6 next week and an in depth review will follow in due course.

Read on in the full article.

Unregistered 06-08-2010 09:37 PM

Boring!

marxian 06-08-2010 10:39 PM

The keyboard looks excellent. This is a little off-topic, but I often miss Symbian, having switched to Maemo a few months ago. As for Android: Don't believe the hype, I say. I have the HTC Desire and I find it a bit underwhelming.

I guess it's still a little difficult to recommend this device with Symbian3/4 on the way, but I can see a market for it.

oniox 06-08-2010 11:17 PM

Same old same old
 
@Marxian, I dont believe you. Even low end android is better user experience that Symbian 1. I know I got an LG540 for 99 and its sublime and better usability than my 5800. Nokias hardware is leaps and bounds above its peers though. Solid hardware plus Symbian 3 will keep nokia on top. I am typing this on an N900, brill hardware but clunky and cranky UI. Typical ;)

marxian 07-08-2010 01:36 AM

Well, I am a programmer, so probably not a typical smartphone user. I use my device as a pocket computer, so I prefer a real computing OS. Android to me feels like 'My First Phone'. I do like the hardware of the Desire, aside from the poor loudspeaker and lack of hardware qwerty.

Unregistered 07-08-2010 05:14 AM

@marxian

I have been a Nokia user since the 2110 and have used ALL the communicators until the N97 which I have dumped for an Android phone and will not look back.

Android is powerful and extremely customisable for us techies and not a "my first phone" as you so claim. That award falls on the iphone.

I will only reconsider another Nokia phone if and when they get Symbian up to par with Android.

Unregistered 07-08-2010 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marxian (Post 472943)
Well, I am a programmer, so probably not a typical smartphone user. I use my device as a pocket computer, so I prefer a real computing OS. Android to me feels like 'My First Phone'. I do like the hardware of the Desire, aside from the poor loudspeaker and lack of hardware qwerty.

Well.... I'm a developer myself, and have owned piles of Nokia Symbian as well as some Android devices. I prefer Android for nearly everything -- except for satnav -- because they're more developer-friendly; SDK is multi-platform, better and cleaner API, etc.

And Symbian's certificate requirements seriously undermine non-commercial devs (like hobbyists).

Dazzy 07-08-2010 05:52 AM

This is a very nice device to hold, seen it in carphone warehouse the other day. Maybe a little overpriced, but Nokia have advanced the Symbian^1 a fair bit and if you add SPB Mobile Shell on top it is a very powerful system but with the odd oddity.

I am sick of coming to a site about Symbian and seeing all the Android and Iphone fans bashing it, if you's don't like it, why bother discussing it?

Yes it would have been better with Symbian^3, and combine this with Mobile Shell and there's one hell of an OS, no matter what way you look at it.

Everyone knows what the problems with Symbian^1 are and they are being addressed. Get over it and move on!

Unregistered 07-08-2010 08:03 AM

Imagine a 5800xm with the Widgets, Camera etc from the N97 mini and a qwerty keyboard. The C6 is effectively a N97 mini in a cheaper housing. I would expect a price point of 199 or below for this - an I'm sure this is where it will settle after release.

As for the Android discussions above, I have a desire and I too am left wondering what all the fuss is about. Android is just ordinary, and even with the SenseUI enhancements there is no huge advance over even Symbian touch. I expect that ^3 and ^4 versions of Symbian should be able to leapfrog Android quite easily, because it wouldn't take much. If that doesn't happen then somebody at Symbian is still asleep.

Although it has to be said, I may have been so disappointed with Android because the high expectations set by BSers on forums like this, and because I also own an iPhone, the iPhone has absolutely nothing to fear from Android in the UI department.

What EXACTLY is good about Android? Somebody please explain? I appreciate why phone makers might like it, it suits them very well. No great shakes for consumers.

Anyway, back to the topic C6, I can't see a reason to buy an N97 anything if they remain priced above the C6.

Unregistered 07-08-2010 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 472955)
And Symbian's certificate requirements seriously undermine non-commercial devs (like hobbyists).

No it doesn't. Because as a "hobbyist" myself I know that these requirements are very easily bypassed on hardware, and there are no certificate requirements for tinkering on the emuator. You should also know that if you are a developer.

Dazzy 07-08-2010 08:14 AM

Quote:

What EXACTLY is good about Android? Somebody please explain? I appreciate why phone makers might like it, it suits them very well. No great shakes for consumers.
I asked the exact same question some months ago after playing with a mates htc legend for about a week and watching countless youtube videos. I am sorry but the shear level of functionality in Symbian is going to be hard to beat and it is forever improving. Cant say for certain but isn't Symbian pushing for major new releases every 6-12 months?

And as for Meego, it just looks so damn cool on both tablets and phones (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INVlmjJKXjk), Nokia are in a very good position moving forward and roll on the 1st Meego handset and tablet.

Mr Mark 07-08-2010 08:16 AM

Hmm... I take it none of the 'developers' here have used Qt then? Not sure how that's more difficult to use than a VM layer.

Anyway, moving on...

The C6 feels like a backward step for Nokia. It's effectively a rebadged N97 mini or a 5800 with a keyboard and a such is an anachronism.

Dazzy 07-08-2010 09:01 AM

Quote:


The C6 feels like a backward step for Nokia. It's effectively a rebadged N97 mini or a 5800 with a keyboard and a such is an anachronism.
isn't that what the C Series is all about? Nokia moving their previous high end homescreen etc to the mid range in anticipation of moving highend devices to Meego.

Dazzy 07-08-2010 10:29 AM

when I get a new email/sms etc on the Vivaz a blue light flashes too so it's not limited to Android.

tebutler 07-08-2010 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsepz_011 (Post 472982)
The C6 actualy looks realy good,especialy in Black,looks very sleek and professional,a shame it runs Symbian^1 as i felt it realy limited my 5800, it just felt so incomplete.
As for Android, its not everyones cup of tea. What makes it better? Well the openess and the quality of apps and games which destroy symbian. Even little things like 3rd party apps being able to access hardware, e.g. the MailDroid app,ive set it to make the LED flash Blue when i get new Emails, little things like that just make it much better to use, IMO.

Openness and quality of apps and games, eh?

Well, Symbian is now fully open source and the Qt SDK makes it very easy to develop software for the platform.

But those are recent developments. There is a long line of quality software for Symbian platforms. I'm thinking of software like Ovi Maps, Handy Safe Pro, Gravity, Joiku Spot*, Quick Office, etc. etc.

You'll notice that I haven't listed any 'apps' that are merely bookmarks to websites. Go to any 'app' store; Apple, Ovi, Android Market and you'll find that the percentage of quality software is actually quite low.

* if JS isn't a 3rd party application that controls hardware, I don't know what is.

Perhaps what you really mean is that Android looks more polished as an interface? It certainly does, especially with HTC Sense on top.

Symbians ^1 and S60 3rd do look dated. But as far as I'm concerned, so what? It does exactly what I need it to and tons more. Symbian^3 will bring the slick front end, Symbian^4 even moreso. As for Meego - that looks pretty good already.

Back on topic: I like the look of the C6. Especially the inclusion of a D-pad and the keyboard layout. The camera looks a little disappointing, but still a sweet phone for 250.

Unregistered 07-08-2010 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsepz_011 (Post 472982)
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As for Android, its not everyones cup of tea. What makes it better? Well the openess and the quality of apps and games which destroy symbian. Even little things like 3rd party apps being able to access hardware, e.g. the MailDroid app,ive set it to make the LED flash Blue when i get new Emails, little things like that just make it much better to use, IMO.

Well that's not really much of a case for Android, and it that's the best to offer then you have proven my point. There is nothing special about Android. Hardly destroys Symbian at all.

5800 did the LED flashing notification thing in the centre of the middle button years ago in its V11 firmware. That's Symbian doing that, not a third party app. Symbian has quality apps for everything that I need. I acknowledge that the lack of graphics acceleration on a lot of Nokia devices has hindered game development, but that's a hardware problem, not Symbian.

Have people not realised that having thousands of crap apps available does not make things better. I've lost count of the number of shite things I've downloaded from Apple App store and Android market and then immediately deleted. I've given up bothering these days.

I regret buying a Desire, Android really is a poor effort.

Unregistered 07-08-2010 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsepz_011 (Post 472989)
Ovi Maps certainly is decent,il give you that,although having my X10 and 5800 side by side it seems the Android is more accurate,more aware of my surroundings, and locks to GPS a lot faster.

LOL having a 5800 and Google navigation platform like the Desire side by side I frequently can't see the maps on the Google. There is no contest there, I wouldn't trust Android nav.

Dazzy 07-08-2010 01:06 PM

Yes I concur I have an app for everything I need as well, even testing a nice native foursquare client that has quite a few features missing currently however.

The quality of alot of the symbian apps is fantastic and things will only get better.

QT is cross platform and the developers I have spoke to love it and say it makes developing for Symbian alot easier and they expect a big developer craze around it over the next year.

X10 getting a quicker gps lock, maybe it has a bigger gps aerial? would that not account for it? My Vivaz gets a gps lock in about 20 secs and it's a tiny phone so the aerial must be small too.

marxian 07-08-2010 02:46 PM

The adoption of Qt has been a big pull factor in my decision to concentrate my future development efforts on Maemo/Meego/Symbian. Fingers crossed that the 'write once, deploy everywhere' promise matches the reality. Having used Qt to write desktop applications, I am quite impressed with it. I was originally intending to focus more on the Android platform, but my experience with the Desire has dulled my enthusiasm, and I am in this for love, not money. Using Android reminds me of KDE: a widget for everything, when it makes more sense to acess the function from an easily accessible menu. The need to download 'apps' to get functions that are standard on Maemo and Symbian is also annoying. Lastly, how do you close an application in Android? Answer: you can't. Enjoy your shiny toy phones, gentlemen.

Android great YouTube and gmail clients, but the attraction ends there for me.

user47alpha 07-08-2010 03:40 PM

As for the GPS-thing: The 5800 (and maybe all of Nokias phones coming from this platform) has a very very very very poor GPS-chip. I can only hope that we do not need to see such a *****-gps-chip again.
But thats Nokias poor hardwarechoice (which made a lot of cool apps unusable on my 5800), not Symbian.

Unregistered 07-08-2010 07:01 PM

Tsepz_011, you are living in yesterday of Symbian
 
The new phones with QT enabled should have widgets in home screen, according to my testing with N8. More widgets are coming available as well.

Unregistered 07-08-2010 07:42 PM

Tsepz_011,

On n8, you can also monitor cpu , mem usage and a lot of more stuff for techy people...

You'd better try N8 out yourself after it is released. Never underestimate Nokia as it is the world leader for mobile phone industry!

marxian 08-08-2010 12:11 AM

@Tsepz_011

So to close an app, you must install an app. Hilarious. You couldn't make it up. Any operating system should have that facility as standard.

I am not using Symbian atm, since my main device is the N900, but what I miss when using the Desire is, for example, the ability to easily change settings, such as wifi, via the top panel. I don't want to use widgets to access basic functions, since these are only acessible when the homescreen is visible. On N900, I can change the wifi connection, profile etc without minimizing any open application.

It's clear that my usage differs from yours. I want mobile computing. Android does not give me that.

Unregistered 08-08-2010 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsepz_011 (Post 472998)
I would like to just congradulate you for completely missing the point and not reading my post after that,well done,next time read over and over again until you understand.
Reading through here its clear many of you dont understand or have used Android. We have BOTH a widget for everything and a great menu. The point of a widget is to get quick access to your Music player or simply browse news or statuses without having to launch the whole app. I have both a FB and Tweetcaster widget in my right side homescreen,if im waiting to board a plane, waiting at a docs room i can quickly just scroll through some statuses or quickly post one,without booting the entire app. I also have a weather widget,it updates 8times a day,and has an image as well as info of the weather,so i can give it a quick glimpse without launching an app and waiting for a web page to load etc... this is what widgets are for,not a replacement or fix for anything,just a nice additional option to improve the user experience,exactly why even Symbians got them as well,just not as well implemented.

I suggest you read my post over and over again until you understand the part where I point out that I own a Desire.

And owning that Desire I am well aware of the widgets, and I am underwhelmed. Hardly a wow factor.

Unregistered 08-08-2010 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsepz_011 (Post 473019)
Unregistered user with a Desire
I did,but it still seems like you missed my point about the LEDs. Strange i havent found any useless crap in the Market,but the again i usualy go in knowing what im looking for,and i always find it an tons of alternatives to all which similar symbian apps to shreads. Found it laughable that someone here brought up Gravity as a good app, TweetCaster makes mince meat out of it.

I think the LED point was dismissed because it's hardly saving the world having a different colour.

I'm still waiting for someone to show a genuine big step forwards in Android. I can see it plain enough in iPhone OS but Android just a *dull* let down.

hary536 08-08-2010 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by user47alpha (Post 472994)
As for the GPS-thing: The 5800 (and maybe all of Nokias phones coming from this platform) has a very very very very poor GPS-chip. I can only hope that we do not need to see such a *****-gps-chip again.
But thats Nokias poor hardwarechoice (which made a lot of cool apps unusable on my 5800), not Symbian.

That's not true. 5800 GPS is quite good according to me.
I don't have data plan and i don't use AGPS, still my 5800's GPS acquires a lock in about 2-5 minutes depending on when and where i turned on the GPS first.

I think's that's acceptable and quite good for a phone GPS without data plan.
I haven't ever tried acquiring GPS fix using data plan so can't comment on that, but i m sure it will be much faster.

Unregistered 08-08-2010 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsepz_011 (Post 473038)
Exactly why i said LITTLE things like that.
LOL,if Android is dull im scared to know what Symbian is,especialy S60v5, which has been an absolute embarrassment,roll-on S^3.

That's an easy question to answer. S60V5 is also dull, even duller than Android but only just.
Not an absolute embarrassment though, but themost used in the world.

Those LITTLE things that are supposed to make the difference really don't. It's like someone trying to prive they have a better car because it has more xup holders. Ridiculous.

Many have been set the challenge of proving the worth of Android. All have failed.

All, that is, except Google and the phone makers, who benefit the most long term. It would appear that there are plenty of suckers out there prepared to lap up all the BS.

Unregistered 08-08-2010 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 473042)
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Those LITTLE things that are supposed to make the difference really don't. It's like someone trying to prive they have a better car because it has more xup holders. Ridiculous.
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That should read "prove" and "cup". Crappy Android keyboard, sorry.

Unregistered 08-08-2010 09:59 PM

It seems you are in loops of s60. All the story you are talking about was the yesterday. Now we are looking forwarding to s3, s4 and Meego. Get it?

KPOM 09-08-2010 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 473046)
It seems you are in loops of s60. All the story you are talking about was the yesterday. Now we are looking forwarding to s3, s4 and Meego. Get it?

Well, apparently not since Nokia is still releasing new S^1 devices.

Engadget had a great interview with a Nokia VP on Friday. He said that the N8 was a mid/high range device, as opposed to a high-end device (which is what MeeGo is aiming for). He also said the main reason they were skeptical of Android is that they didn't want to turn control over their OS to Google.

The interview is actually a pretty good read. He points out that the US has gone from one of the smallest smartphone markets in the world to the largest in 2 years (care to guess which operating systems are at the forefront of that?), and that Nokia (and anyone else, for that matter) needs to be strong in the US in order to be strong in the smartphone market. IOW, the entire interview undermines a lot of the apologist arguments often put forth in this forum (e.g. the US is irrelevant, Symbian^1 is "just fine," the N8 is the immediate answer to iPhone 4). Hopefully, the fact that more Nokia execs appear to "get it" means that better things really are on the way. The question is whether these developments will come soon enough. Regarding MeeGo, the only thing promised was an "announcement" prior to year-end.

KPOM 09-08-2010 02:04 AM

Here's the link to the Engadget article:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/n...blets-android/

Unregistered 09-08-2010 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsepz_011 (Post 473045)
We are already suckers,here we are arguing while Nokia,Google etc...laugh all the way to the bank, difference is i felt more of a sucker with Symbian.
Crappy keyboard? Yep,learn how to use Android ,clearly you havent a single clue of what you are doing on that Desire,get back to me when you have. :)
Yes,those little things count,as it makes the user experience much better,there are multiple scenarios where i find it useful,so do Google and the app devs hence why they put it in there. Awful comparison with the car cupholders there by the way,one provides info which is handy in daily productivity, the other a convenient space, maybe if we were talking about infrared or something it woulve made sense.
Nobody claimed Android had a major feature or whatever over Symbian. What makes it great is that its almost like a bridge between Symbian and iOS. Its more open like Symbian,actualy more open, its user friendly like iOS, it has a majorly geeky aspect to it e.g. ive now rooted my X10 and am able to control the CPU in different phone states,this is simply because i like to fiddle with such things, im able to install completely different ROMS and customize the hell out of it and then in the end its a great smartphone OS that can handle daily productivity, open word documents etc...all this has been brought together in Android,its like it has great bits of every OS (WM, Symbian, iOS etc...) in one, thats what is attracting so many to it,if you dont like it or just cant figure it out then fair enough,drop it, but i can confidently say that after having used s60v3 (the peak of symbian) and s60v5 this includes modding etc...that i find Android far better,the apps work better,the games are amazing, no more having to do battery pulls, no more random reboots, no more half baked software, no more 'out of memory' errors, no more major slow downs,no more slow development etc... just makes Android such a pleasure to use over Symbian,maybe the rest here have never had any of the above issues while using a symbian (which would be amazing) but i have,phone after phone,and i was simply sick of it. Anyway im done with this as i bet your reply will be filled with no major drawbacks in Android yet exaggarated little things that show a user who simply doesnt know what they are doing. Ciao. :)

I get where you're coming from mate and I agree with you. That 'battery pull' thing is the most amazing crap regarding s^1 for me. How Nokia continues to release s^1 device with the same processor and ram (C6) is just beyond me coz I know for sure it'll be hounded by that 'battery pull' crap. I too have been using an X10 for the last month and while I do like it, I missed Symbian. Might sound amazing to some fandroids but people have to realize that different people have different needs. All these intergration between apps, better user experience, etc are not that important to me. Plus the battery on the X10 is just supercrap. I like Symbian because featurewise, it's just more complete. But I won't be using any s^1 devices anymore. I look forward to the N8. I hope they get it right. I think we would all want that

gadget freak 09-08-2010 04:31 PM

i have used palms, windows mobile, iphone symbian uiq, s60 the Desire obliterates all of them, some peoples brains have been so dulled but using symbian they are unable to free there mind.
My E71 still remains my bread and butter device its brilliant at what it does well, but little things like nokia messenging not being intergrated just gets on your nerves, the whole connection pop up rubbish etc.


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