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slitchfield 22-02-2007 12:39 PM

The E90 Communicator - Previewed!
 
Rafe Blandford looks in detail at the Nokia E90 Communicator. A legend reborn? It's undoubtedly feature packed and technically impressive - but is there still a market for the qwerty clamshell form factor? Rafe and Steve include plenty of hands-on observations, photos and screenshots of this, Nokia's upcoming flagship.

Read on in the full article.

SymFranco 22-02-2007 01:04 PM

May I have the honour of posting the 1st comment?

Many thanks, Rafe & Steve, for the excellent and well balanced first-hand review.
As a Psioneer, I did miss on the Communicator 9500/9300 generation, as they were lacking too much of the Psion 5mx functionality.
Now the E90 is ever further away in that respect, quite likely dumber in its OS... but it looks like a much better "Communicator"!
I will probably buy one, and use it happily for the use its name implies, while hoping that the recent rumours about a super-portable Apple Macbook Pro prove true by the end of this year.

May be there is (some) peace looming in the future on the Psion vs Communicator debate, by hoping that truer "computing" platforms might be offered again in super-portable form factors.
Granted, the efficiency of the original Epoc OS will be missed, and the "Robinson Crusoe" experience of mobile computing on a small Psion will not be replaced by more modern platforms, much as I am an devote Apple cult member.
Recognising that "Communicators" are not meant to be mini laptops, but that they are also, if not first and foremost, phones, will help cast them in a rosier light.
And, as far as phones go, the E90 looks an impressive one!

Congratulations again for the excellent job,

Regards, F

tkao2025 22-02-2007 06:17 PM

My thoughts are this. I've loved the communicators and have had both the 9500 and 9300. Unfortunately I personally think that series 60 is not as friendly as other platforms for business users. I think in term of PIM functions, the blackberries, WM5, and even UIQ have got S60 beat. I hate having to edit to see all the notes on contact information and I dislike the calendar because again you have to edit if the calendar information is long (although this is fixed when I use Papyrus). I really do not like the fact that you can't sync contact categories. This is true of UIQ as well, but at least it is easier IMO to create and add new categories. You just go to the unfiled folders and file each one accordingly. If Nokia is to use S60 as basis for all it's phones in the future, than it must improve on the PIM functionality, especially for business users.

I have the N93i and it is a fantastic phone for what it does, unfortunately I have to keep a blackberry around just in case I need it for business use. The s60 platform, again IMO, should only be used in the Nokia N-series of phones and not for serious business users.

cooli 23-02-2007 04:21 AM

Personally it addresses my user needs and solves the dilemma I had with N95. N95 is as (if not more) full-featured converged smartphone but lack decent qwerty keyboard and battery life due to its small size. I don't mind the E90's size and weight (still fit in my big pockets/hands).
Now compared to my current E61, E90 adds a seemingly very good camera (as N73, that's quite incredible) and the killer 800pixel width internal screen.
I don't know about you, web browsing is quite comfortable on the E61, but I gave up editing/visualing word/powerpoint/excel files as there is no way to get a good overall page/slide/sheet idea of the result, I hope that with E90's 800x352 internal screen, this will become possible. Maybe you've already sent the E90 back to Nokia, but I would love to see screenshot of Quickoffice on the E90 internal screen.
Thanks for great preview!

skagen 23-02-2007 04:28 AM

I have spoken my piece in the forumon the shocking lack of PIM category syncing in S60 3rd and this device once again underlines the question as to whether Nokia really gets what Business users wants, or is it just making a matador pass at the job. That one remains unfixed.

But also, to the writers Rafe and Steve, you said:

Quote:

However you are going to be hard pressed to make this particular from factor any smaller or lighter without sacrificing a great deal of usability
I would diagree with this. We could easily look to Symbian ex-partner Sony Ericsson's M600i for outstanding example a small, highly tactile keybaord, packed in a smaller space. That keybaord is proven for speed, accuracy and durability - works well one or two handed and is designed for a mobile environment.

Surely Nokia could have taken a tilt at that? Llicence that SE keyboard, or make something like it, add a few keys and the directional pad and you probably take at least a quarter of the bulk off the device, maybe even a third. Much smaller device, you've actually created value beyond the past and injected the same mass-relevance to this clamshell category that the E61 did to its own format.

But instead, we get this device, unnecesarily large - and therefore heavy. The E90 looks like a decent device for what it is: arguably a yesterday type device with a few modern do-dads tacked on. But too bound by the size, concept and framework of the past 9xxxx devices, rather than driving them forward.

Adding a GPS chip and 3MP camera in a PDA is not exactly an earth shattering step - Win mobile has beaten that one to death for years already. But changing the dimensions of usability and size, on the other hand, would be hugely useful and creative.

Some may say I'm being harsh, but for the high price Nokia are charging, the expectations should be equally high - and they should be located in the next decacade, not the pastone.

Also, if done well enough, and sized right, then this device that one might have normally expect to be only "niche" appeal, could suddenly take on relevance for the mass market, without losing its value to the initial niche.

Isnt that what marketing and product development is all about? Or should we yet again sit around and wait for Apple jump in and do the obvious, then claim it is an "innovator", while the incumbents have sat around fat dumb, happy and not really trying? Just a question.

I really like Nokia, but too often their ambition and creativity seem to be AWOL, yet they have all the tools and resources. I dont get it.

Jago 23-02-2007 11:11 AM

Large is Good!
 
Skagen -I think you may have miss intepreted Rafe's point about keyboard size. I think he was talking about full qwerty keyboards with individual keys as opposed to thumboards/composites such as M600i.

Of course Nokia could have made the device smaller with a multi tap keyboard or thumboard - and they have - it's called the E61!

The whole point of the device is it's size - yes it needs to be large for the keyboard but this also enables it to have a much larger screen. If you reduce the keyboard the screen would have to get smaller (unless you want a really odd form factor :tongue: ) and you end up with a clamshell that it neither one thing or another.

Yes it's aimed a niche market but so are (arguably) all smartphones to some extent as no smartphone by definition of it's size and form factor can 'do it all' (what's the right size for some is too small or big for others).

Personally I don't think Nokia are looking backwards with this device at all.
In fact I think this device is in it's infancy -

Let me explain - having owned a variety of Psions, UIQ, 9500 devices but with the loss of my 9500 last year and the end of S80 in sight I didn't want to move to a S60 numeric keypad/thumboard device and strayed to a WM5 TyTN, directly because of the form factor (a qwerty keyboard that wasn't available on any new symbian devices last year) and the fact that WM5 is more of a business and power users OS than S60. (Mostly because it is still more PDA centric bias than S60's phone centric bias).

Like most commentators here I think the S60 interface and PIM functionality is too simple for a keyboarded N90. The N90 (and S60) needs to grow up to support the form factor to it's full capability. Hopefully (as long as the N90 does well) S60 will be developed in this direction and the functionality added for later versions. But I get the feeling that the device is a little under utilised/not pushed to it's full potential in the current release. :redface:

It does have new ideas/functionality, not just the 'tacked on' GPS and camera (which will be much better than any of the notoriously bad WM5 cameras!) most notably the fully functional front screen which is not replicated in any other smartphone or OS (even the new WM6 clamshells only have small 'window' displays on the covers:o ).

I won't be getting one soon (mostly as I have a year to go on my current contract and have now invested time and money in WM5 programs). By that time I may well be tempted by the N90i or N91. Although by that may be more than a year away in the shops) but then the competition and WM6 may have caught up?

Either way certainly a cool device and exciting times!:)

Cheers
Jago

jah 23-02-2007 11:26 AM

@skagen

please could you tell which WM5/6 device has 3G, HSDPA, GPS & 3MP camera in small package (e.g. size of N95 or even E90).

Jago 23-02-2007 11:54 AM

Jah - I agree! You won't find many WM5/6 devices with 3MP cameras they have been stuck on 2mp for ages:rolleyes:

Also the WM5 brigade have had trouble with their comms chips not playing nicely! (HTC trinity and TyTn both have GPS chipsets but only some operators versions of Trinity have them enabled because of problems with the 3g radio).

Also possibly because of the fact that WM is more aimed at (the behind the telecomms times) US market HSDPA and 3G generally is only just catching on!

tkao2025 23-02-2007 12:17 PM

I have to agree with skagen....yes there are no WM5 devices right now that have the spec of E90, but the Tytn came very close to having all the functionality and power. The point here is that they could have made it into a smaller package and if the arguement here is that becuase of all the functionality, you won't be able to put into a smaller package than we all better be getting pants with big pockets....I think skagen's point was that they could have put in a M600i like keyboard into the size of the N95, which has almost identical specs of the E90, without the keyboard.

Forget about the size.................my biggest gripe is that they can fit all this into a phone, but can't have the most basic and proper PIM sync/function built into the software. That's why I question Nokia's ability to compete with business users.

martinharnevie 23-02-2007 01:01 PM

Quote:

SymFranco said: May be there is (some) peace looming in the future on the Psion vs Communicator debate
The issue is the debate itself. It's started on the wrong footing. The Psion vs Communicator debate is entirely pointless. No one in these days would seriously consider a Psion as an alternative for a Symbian v7 or v9.x phone. You'd be nuts if you did. So there is no "vs"="versus". Instead, it's a hypothetical "and". The debate should instead focus on the merits and issues of keeping a Psion 5mx/Revo along with an E90/E61/P990/M600 etc.

Jago 23-02-2007 01:11 PM

tkao2025 - PIM functionality I agree on - :) S60 has always been cut down (specifically to suite one handed & small screen phone use which wasn't exected to have large PIM requirements)

But your wrong on form factor ;) I don't want smaller phones that always compromise on screen real estate and usability for power/business tasks. Editing documents, seeing a lot of calendar info or emails on a page is more important to me than slipping the device into my trouser pockets.

There's plenty of smaller form factor devices out there and not enough large ones like the E90, Toshiba G900, I-mate ulitmate 7150 or even (bordering into UMPC territory but still WM5/6) the HTC Athena/X7500).

Maybe we should start a protect the qwerty clamshells movement :tongue:

Rafe 23-02-2007 01:25 PM

shago - what I meant by the form factor comment was in reference to the clamshell design. Yes the M600 is smaller but its a different type of device (compare it with the E61i). The clamshell form factor is about the only one you can sit on a desk / knee etc and type on effectively. Everything else is in the hand. For longer data entry sessions having the phone sit on the desk makes a lot of sense.

In effect the E61i is the device you describe, but in changing it you lose some of the unique attributes of the E90. I do think Nokia could look at some other form factors (e.g. a slide out keyboard as on the HTC Vox), but they would be additions to the range not a replacement.

But yes I agree its not for everyone. A lot of people would do fine with the M600 or E61 or any number of Windows Mobile tumboard devices.

Bassey 23-02-2007 01:52 PM

I do find it amusing when people say things along the lines of "Nokia really screwed up with the XXX. It should have had A, B and C instead of E, F and G". It always seems hugely egotistical. As if they believe Nokia should be designing devices exclusively for them and no-one else.

Did you ever consider that Nokia had other people in mind when they designed the E90 and that the E90 is the absolute perfect device for those people?

Perhaps, rather than criticising what has been produced because it doesn't meet your exacting specifications, you should go away and design your perfect device, come back here with specs/prototypes for Rafe and Co to review and then we can all criticise it because it isn't what we wanted.

:) :) :)

BDS 23-02-2007 02:25 PM

PIM functionality
 
A great device! But I cannot understand either, why Nokia can put so much stuff into the device and cannot at the same time include a decent PIM therein.

Times have changes and now it no longer is enough to have a PIM functionality on board. Business people like me expect that with the business device like e90 they will be able to take their Outlook (or whatever other PIM they use) out of the office. And it seems, they can't!

It is far beyound my comprehension, how e.g. E61 can be called a business device, while one cannot see notes attached to the tasks in Outlook on the device...

That is why a number of my colleagues decided not go for e61. Others decided not to go for 9300 or 9500 because they supported Outlook synchronisation so poorly! They all chose blackberries (although they can much less than the nokias, but they allow you to have your outlook with you anywhere) or WM5.

Despite that I have been a convinced Nokia and Communicator fan for years now, I am constantly tempted by WM5/6 devices. Not because they are smaller etc. But because they offer far better synchronisation with a PC than the nokias. So far, I resisted, but if the E series does not catch up the right direction - which is seemless integration with PC and Outlook - I think I will finally give up.

I already decided that I would by the E90, but after having read the review, doubts arose in me. Shall I spend almost EUR 1k and suffer another two years or more with a poor PIM, which does not help me save my time... Maybe it is time that I switched to WM6 instead...

slitchfield 23-02-2007 02:44 PM

Re: PIM sync. Basic PIM syncing is PERFECT in the Symbian OS world these days. In the last week all my PIM data has gone from E70 to N93 to E90 to N95, with no hitches whatsoever.

What you mean, of course, is that the subtleties of Outlook's data structure, such as task notes and categories, aren't synced over. And I fully support the idea that Nokia might improve their S60 apps to embrace these. Especially for the E90, the ultimate 'business' device.

Re: Martin and Psions. Come on, the whole point about the rise and rise of convergence and the success of smartphones is that people DON'T want to carry around two boxes. With the aforementioned PIM improvements and the E90 hardware, I think Nokia would have got just about 'there'.

Steve

martinharnevie 23-02-2007 03:33 PM

Yes Steve, that's what I mean. Two boxes or one box? That's where the debate should be. Not the 'vs' this or 'vs' that.

I remain a two box person, since, amongst others, I still haven't found a good way to type on a phone which I'm holding to my ear....and because of that I guess I'm divergent, not convergent.

Because I have a second box which remains through the times - a much needed terra firma or continuum contrasting the FMCG nature of Symbian devices - I do not have to go through the repeated pains of moving my contacts, agenda etc from device to device.

And afterall, what are we talking about, a few hectograms....it's worth it.

krisse 23-02-2007 03:50 PM

"However, I wonder how big a market is left for such a device."

It depends if you mean market share or actual sales.

Phones have spread round the globe in the time between the E90 and the original 9000 series Communicators, so I wouldn't be surprised if the actual sales and profits made from the E90 vastly exceed those of its predecessors simply because there are now several times more people buying phones and smartphones.

However, there's obviously a lot more diversity and competition now in the PDA/Smartphone field, and that will probably hit its market share.

But it's the actual sales, not the market share, that determine profits. It's better to have a reasonable share of a huge cake than a large share of a small cake.

BDS 23-02-2007 06:45 PM

have U seen that...
 
www clubimate com / ultimate / ult7150.htm

a real commie killer... now I started to have real doubts... Although I like the commies format better, the WM6 seems to appeal to me more than the S60 (unfortunately as I wish it was the other way round)

skagen 24-02-2007 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slitchfield (Post 301071)
Re: PIM sync. Basic PIM syncing is PERFECT in the Symbian OS world these days. In the last week all my PIM data has gone from E70 to N93 to E90 to N95, with no hitches whatsoever.

What you mean, of course, is that the subtleties of Outlook's data structure, such as task notes and categories, aren't synced over. And I fully support the idea that Nokia might improve their S60 apps to embrace these. Especially for the E90, the ultimate 'business' device.

These aren't "subtleties" they are the kind of tools that are bread and butter for power users. Who is the E90 intended for for if not business power users? Pray tell.

Also on some earlier comments, just my personal opinion but I dont find megapixels in current smartphones to be relevant at all. 3MP, 1.3, the are both pretty mediocre, mostly for the the use of the marketing dept and neither remotely coming close to threatening a digital camera. So whether WM has 1.3 or 3MP really is irrelevant to the size of the package.

martinharnevie 24-02-2007 02:37 AM

Now, it's it a bit strange that on one hand E90 is mooted as the almost perfectly 'converged' device, but on the other hand, we're still relating to Outlook as a factor in PIM syncing?

So you are converged if you use E90 with Outlook (on another OS i might add), but diverged if you use E90 with a Psion 5mx?

skagen 24-02-2007 04:26 AM

Sorry can you restate that question. I dont get understand.

And by the way another issue I would raise with MS Office compatibility is: where is the OneNote syncing?

On previous generations of phone this would not be a question at all but OneNote in Office 2007 is not a fantastic and highly useful piece of oganisational software.

If we claim that this is the ultimate business device, again, has anyone at Nokia actually thought about this? Or is it - like the Outlook categories and notes - something they glossed over.

Its all well and good to put out $1000 devices, but really there should be some coherent and clear thought behind the product from a user perspective, rather than trying to wow people with GPS. First make sure I can bring the key data I own on my PC before you are trying to sell me "enhanced services" - otherwise, the tail starts to wag the dog.

This sort of stuff is exactly why Nokia's Enterprise devices division is doing poorly and laying people off.

Cyanide Burnout 24-02-2007 07:48 AM

Where is 'Pensil' key on the front side of phone? How it is possible to select items and change language on full functional front side without 'Pensil' key?

jah 24-02-2007 11:56 AM

@skagen

on my WM5 device (HTC Universal) I cannot sync categories for Outlook Notes! Even M$ can't everything right. And WM5 can't even render HTML emails! If you don't like the E90 don't buy one. Also my 2MP P990 outshines the camera and video on my HTC Universal. And my K800i camera quality is in a different league to any HTC device I have used (Universal & TyTN).

Also please name ONE WM device that is a phone size package that has ALL the following: 3G/UMTS, HSDPA, GPS & 3MP camera (or even a 2MP camera).

Beemer 24-02-2007 12:42 PM

VoIP
 
I have noticed in the pop-up menu of one of the screen shots that "internet call" is not presented as an option. Does this mean that the E90 is shipped with VoIP disabled? Cannot imagine.

Rafe 24-02-2007 01:26 PM

The E90 does support VoIP / SIP.

Unregistered 24-02-2007 10:55 PM

so is it any good
 
hi of you

love the technical chat but is it worth all the hype. do i ditch the 950 and go for it.

keep it simple for the lay menyhs

skagen 25-02-2007 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jah (Post 301183)
on my WM5 device (HTC Universal) I cannot sync categories for Outlook Notes! Even M$ can't everything right. And WM5 can't even render HTML emails!

I had a WM phone with Pocket Informant. It sure did sync all my contacts and calendar categories - and that was back in 2003. Is there any reason Nokia cannot at least hit that base level on a $1000+ "business phone" relased in late 2007? No, not really.

At this rate, Apple will come along, and within a coupe model revisions, render these guys a footnonte in history - while folks continue to make apologies for ineptitude.

I'll say it once again. The division responsible for this and other "E" series phones just laid of 300 people in Finland and double that number worldwide. Clearly I'm not the only one who thinks they are not doing a lot of things wrong!

Quote:

Originally Posted by jah (Post 301183)
If you don't like the E90 don't buy one. .

Aaahh yes, the intelligent response. One first seen in Neanderthals centuries ago and subsequent variants of which used to the point of tedium by their descendants since then.

Thanks for exposing yourself, but this forum is normally populated by intelligent insighful folks. Try to keep it to that level, please and I will do the same for you.

BDS 25-02-2007 09:46 AM

some replies
 
to skagen: I fully agree with you! The "subtleties" definitely are the kind of tools that are bread and butter for power users!

My frustration comes from the fact that in my 9210i, the synchronisation worked really PERFECT, including the outlook categories in tasks. So, one would normally expect than in 9500, more features would be added - e.g. notes synchro. What a huge disappointment for me was to discover that no new features were added and - if that was not enough - categories were no longer supported! So for almost two years I am struggling with moving new tasks to the proper category (task list) after each synchronisation.

And the story seems to be repeating now again. Instead of added PIM features, it looks like on e90 even less features will be available... I am not sure I am going to try to survive this "Nokia proposal" while so many devices with no such shortages are available...

And I again agree with you skagen that this is why Nokia's Enterprise devices division is doing poorly and laying people off...

to jah: check this out: www clubimate com / ultimate / ult7150.htm
In addition to all the features of e90 it has three-band 3G and a properly working PIM.

Rafe 25-02-2007 01:06 PM

Skagen - you make valid point, but at the same time you might be able to appreciate that while the device does not do what you want it do, that for others it will fit their needs. Just as some will avoid Windows Mobile because of past bad experiences or because they prefer the S60 UI (and the same is true the other way round). I find the hardest thing in looking at these devices objectively is looking past your own opinion.

The PIM debate will run and run, but the truth seems to be that a vocal minority will get very worked up about it, while the majority of people who buy the phone will be fine. It is not a happy thing, but at the end of the day Nokia are more interested in a majority view than a minority.

As for your last comment - its a perfectly valid response - though maybe it could have been better put, but by questioning someone else intelligence you just make yourself look foolish.

BDS - I've seen the Ultimate devices and while the specs are good I would have serious reservations about build quality.

BDS 25-02-2007 01:49 PM

PIM ctd
 
Rafe, thank you for your note regarding the Ultimate devices. Their poor build quality might be an argument in my internal debate, which device to choose...

And I would certainly prefer buying the new commie but it will very difficult for me if it prooves that the PIM's functionality (which I use virtually all the time) is limited even compared to that of 9500 (which was designed 3 years ago).

As regards whom Nokia listens to, I am concerned that - as far as their business devices - they are not listening at all and the poor performance of the business devices division is the best proof thereof.

I recall that two years ago when my firm was searching for a push e-mail solution, I presented my then new 9500 commie and tried to convince the IT decision makers to go for the 9500/9300 instead of the blackberry. They looked pretty interested until they figured out two things: the speed of the devices and, which was a key argument, poor PIM synchronisation - no notes, no categories in tasks... That was enough, blackberries were choosen and I am the only person who decided to go for 9500.

Hope Nokia will realise sooner than later (before they are forced to close the business devices division) that a PIM is one of the key applications for business power users... Not only on e90 but also on other e series devices...

regards
Borys

skagen 26-02-2007 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDS (Post 301339)
As regards whom Nokia listens to, I am concerned that - as far as their business devices - they are not listening at all and the poor performance of the business devices division is the best proof thereof....
...Hope Nokia will realise sooner than later (before they are forced to close the business devices division) that a PIM is one of the key applications for business power users... Not only on e90 but also on other e series devices...

Nokia is already laying off people in that division, as we speak. But hey let the apologists continue defending them. The "majority" of Enterprise and business users is apparently voting with their dollars - at other people's shops.

Unregistered 26-02-2007 02:02 AM

E90
 
I see that the E90 has quadband GSM/EDGE however does it have triband (850+1900+2100) UMTS to enable UMTS use in Americas as well as European environment?
Mike

Unregistered 27-02-2007 09:17 AM

Rafe,

You said that: The 2.5mm jack includes composite TV support and final E90s should ship with a proper TV out cable.

Have you had confirmation of this? Other sites seem to think that TV out will not be supported... Really hope it is

Unregistered 01-03-2007 07:35 PM

wuold an E90 made for European market works in the US?

Unregistered 11-03-2007 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jah (Post 301183)

on my WM5 device (HTC Universal) I cannot sync categories for Outlook Notes! Even M$ can't everything right. And WM5 can't even render HTML emails! If you don't like the E90 don't buy one. Also my 2MP P990 outshines the camera and video on my HTC Universal. And my K800i camera quality is in a different league to any HTC device I have used (Universal & TyTN).

Also please name ONE WM device that is a phone size package that has ALL the following: 3G/UMTS, HSDPA, GPS & 3MP camera (or even a 2MP camera).


jah, how about the upcoming HTC P4550 aka HTC Kaiser as just "ONE WM device" having "ALL" of your precious 3G/UMTS, HSDPA, GPS & 3MP camera plus HSUPA and (oh yes) this HTC P4550 is a bit more phone sized (at 110 x 58 x 18 mm versus E90's 132 x 57 x 20 mm) and less heavy (at 160g versus E90's 210g) !

It also has a pressable rotary scroll wheel for one handed support and touchscreen for handwriting support to boot !

Sadly though, this HTC Kaiser is missing stereo speakers, TV and FM radio support and still uses a stupid proprietary ExtUSB for audio jack !

Sal73 11-03-2007 07:00 PM

hello fellas.
thanks for the nice discussion regarding the PIM functions on the new E90. personally, i have never used a single WM based phone neither have I used the communicators ever.
i got a silly question, I'm assuming you you can sync most functions for outlook if not all such as the emails, contacts, calneders, tasks and notes, right?

as for WM phones, i heard from many that usually the phones are not too well built and have many problems. I;m afraid that even a newer version of WM (WM 6) will even be less stable than its predecessor.

As for what BDS said with regards to the dilemma his organization had with regards to choosing either the older communicator version or the blackberry, i think the E90 along with E61/E61i have solved the problem concerning the download of emails using the blackberry newtwork, right?

I'm interested to know what the follow up reviews from E90 will say with regards to the business functions of the phone. i have almost the same concerns as BDS with regards to the PIM functions. but im even further worried with WM phones as most manufacturers are a bit dubious (taiwanese) and if you try to visit one of their websites you will know what you may be getting yourself into!

How about the blackberry phone itself? th enew one i think its called 8800?

thanks.

Unregistered 12-03-2007 11:37 AM

Nokia is from Finland
 
"skagen".. hmmm. I think we are dealing with an SE shill.

Unregistered 13-03-2007 04:24 AM

e90 communicator
 
the e90 really one of the exceptionally desined communicators and is only all in one 3g communication machine which is lasses with every 3g feature.hopefully every communicator lover will go for it like anything.undoubtly very elegant and imppressive device nokia has ever made.and price expected to be in the range of previous communicators with more powerfull battery and no hang ups

dansus 14-03-2007 01:14 AM

My heart sank when i read 2.5mm jack and no word highlighting in browser. A2DP is very welcome. (at last)

Otherwise, a neat device. may well replace my e61 if i like the kboard.

Unregistered 16-03-2007 09:33 AM

E90 speed in use
 
I too have been dragged along this path by a love of Psions...The 5MX was a great machine. At that time the mobile telephony was provided in a separate device - like the SH888 (blimey how *old* am I?)

Anyway, I have been disappointed by recent Nokias in that the functionality has been piled in but the performance has taken a massive hit. Remember monochrome phones that were just phones, sure there were slow ones too, but you rarely spent time *waiting* for a phone to respond to a keystroke.

Nokia peaked with the 6310i in my view, although the 6230i is pretty good. I *hate* waiting for a phone to catch up with me, but the 6680 *and* the E61 make me wait for bloody ages, showing me a blank screen while it decides whether or not it's going to divulge the number for a contact or the text of a message that's been received.

So, my question is, does the E90 *feel* fast, do you spend time waiting for it, or would you describe it as responsive?

Blimey, I mean soldiers still have frequency agile encrypted radios the size of rucsacks in the field, and so I don't mean to be churlish to whinge about the way that these incredible pieces of technolofy work, but sometimes I think that they push it just that little too far and the usability suffers as a result


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