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| 26-01-2009 02:18 AM |
| Unregistered |
ignored?
As I type this on my E71, I'm waiting to be able to take advantage of two major firmware updates that are still unavailable to a large portion of U.S. consumers. One of the aforementioned updates has been available to European E71 owners since mid-November. Based on their utter lack of basic support, it's clear that the U.S. market is an afterthought to the Fins.
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| 16-01-2009 02:37 AM |
| Unregistered |
Nokia in the US I guess have a bit more chance there than Japan and we know how that turned out.
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| 14-01-2009 03:57 PM |
| J-Ho |
Dvelop in Qt!
An interesting article on /.
http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?...12210&from=rss
Nokia are obviously pushing Qt as the development environment for handsets as well now.
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| 14-01-2009 06:25 AM |
| Unregistered |
my 2c...
my 2c...
as a developer i would like to develop for symbian 60 using python. i would have to learn the language from scratch and the documentation supplied with python for s60 is not even viewable on the device. seriously wtf? i can't view the pdf on the device. the best time for me to learn is while on bus for 4 hours a day. that i can't bring readable documentation with me is the main thing holding me back. don't suggest a printout my bag is overburdened as it is.
i would like to buy more apps but i don't have a credit card (anti terrorism laws in ireland made getting an account more and more difficult so now quite a high percentage don't have bank accounts). i can buy a cheap app from vodafone for €5 of credit. why can't i buy the latest version of quickoffice (very good app!) the same way? because i would!
android on nokia? would love to see it! would definitely buy. would still carry symbian phone though as i feel it is currently much stronger.
ability to run older versions of nokia software on symbian. everytime nokia do an update they change/remove some feature that somebody used and loved. _it doesn't encourage loyalty_. the ability to use older software from previous symbian devices would help towards that. for me the search app on e61i was way better than current one on e71.
at the moment i carry an e71, e61i, ipod classic and a netbook. use the e61i to display information such as manuals/notes when working on e71. bought an iphone (€569) at christmas so that i could eliminate the e61i and ipod. knew of most of the limitations of the iphone going in but after 13 days went back to e61i and ipod. if the e71 was a better media player i could eliminate the ipod but at the moment the 8gb limitation is too small plus the non standard headphone jack. tried watching my shows on it yesterday and it was jerky and ate battery life faster than anything i have ever seen. a 20 minute show reduced battery by 1/3!
will still try and get a n97 when it's released.
-moylan
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| 13-01-2009 09:50 PM |
| tote |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafe
I do not buy the idea of a carrier being married to a particular platform / device.
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Well, AT&T sells iPhone besides that it may sell Symbian phones, too, in the future. One major difference between the two, though: is iPhone customized to AT&T? Is there such as carrier-branded iPhone? I don't know, I just doubt it. Anyway, customer branding does exist in Symbian world. I'm not sure how much it counts for a carrier, but it may be a good reason for choosing another smartphone OS vendor ...
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| 13-01-2009 08:49 PM |
| chlettn |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered
To "chlettn" - "Nokia is trying to get into the service business, Android forces the user to use Google services."
Android is open source. There is nothing stopping Nokia from replacing all Google services with Ovi services, and shipping that on Nokia phones. Of course, that won't stop people from installing Google services from the app store, but if Nokia offers good services, why would they want to?
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I wonder how Google would react in this case - seeing the biggest handset manufacturer choose Android, rip out all the parts that bring them money, and distribute it with their stuff instead...I somehow doubt that they would just sit there and do nothing in that case, but since I'm not an open source licensing expert I can only guess.
Anyway, Nokia wouldn't really gain anything from that imho - it's easier for them to just use their own Maemo if they ever want to completely abandon Symbian.
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| 13-01-2009 08:21 PM |
| tnkgrl |
You know I'm a Nokia fangirl, but Scoble's right. As I said in my recent podcast with Matt Bennett, Nokia should just buy Palm and use WebOS for the N97, or use Android: http://tnkgrl.wordpress.com/2009/01/...g-with-matt-4/
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| 13-01-2009 07:19 PM |
| seki |
Nokia has the same issue with Japan too
I've always believed that Nokia doesn't care about the US market, and for good reason. Its too immature as a "smart phone" market. There is no real national network of reliable 3G coverage. Sure there are pockets of it in various cities and states, but nothing consistent over the whole country. Probably the result of the US using other frequencies for their *cough* Networks. Nokia can continue to sell dumb (non-3G) phones to this market quite happily.
Now as far as Japan is concerned, Nokia has no presence in that market either for the opposite and the same reason. Japan also has different standards for their 3G Networks and yes they are REAL networks. you have to be in an extremely remote area of Japan not to find 3G coverage (yes they exist). Japan has easily the most sophisticated phone market in the world, though Korea is catching up. The market is pretty much owned by local manufacturers who don't really offer true "smart phones" at least not unlocked ones. Their features and quality are really stunning. The iPhone is NOT that popular as a phone in Japan. Its used more as a fashion device than a true communications tool.
So Nokia says no to USA and no to Japan where are they? Well China and the rest of Asia, Europe. Lets face it thats the market you're going to sell most phones into, of any type. 
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| 13-01-2009 07:14 PM |
| Tzer2 |
Worrying about the US mobile market, and indeed the European market, is a red herring. By far the biggest share of sales and growth come from developing countries, largely from Asia.
Nokia's biggest customers by both volume and value are China and India, not Britain and America, yet the US and UK markets get almost all the attention on english-language mobile sites with virtually no attention paid to anything east of Moscow.
India and China have a combined population of about 2.5 billion people. North America and Europe have a combined population of about 1 billion. And the rest of the world is about 3 billion.
There was a news item the other day about a Chinese phone network which had 300 million customers... that's roughly the entire population of the United States on one network alone.
If phone companies and phone standards operate on a global scale, we've got to judge their success on a global scale, and not obsess about what the english-speaking world does.
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| 13-01-2009 07:09 PM |
| Unregistered |
here's another point of view: what if it is the us that is going to loose in the smartphone war? even if the us had proportionally substantial developer base, it still lack sorely behind if the whole developers of the rest of the world are on different bandwagon.
it's not that s60 is not ready for this or that; in fact s60 is now ready to conquer whole new price points the competitors can only dream about. my bold prediction is that s60 devices will reach (or get very very close) to $99/€99 price point this year. and i'm talking about prices of unlocked devices. and they only get cheaper.
the us might well lock itself (again) outside of the global mobile phone markets. it's nice in the short run, but in the long run it's unsustainable. just look at the carriers struggling the move to gsm path from their cdma networks.
one more point: iphone and android haven't really gained huge success outside the us.
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| 13-01-2009 06:47 PM |
| bittermormon |
Does Nokia want to be in teh US??
Because they sure don't act like it. Where's our 5800??
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| 13-01-2009 06:34 PM |
| Unregistered |
It's open source
To "chlettn" - "Nokia is trying to get into the service business, Android forces the user to use Google services."
Android is open source. There is nothing stopping Nokia from replacing all Google services with Ovi services, and shipping that on Nokia phones. Of course, that won't stop people from installing Google services from the app store, but if Nokia offers good services, why would they want to?
In the end, probably all companies (Google,Yahoo,Microsoft,Nokia,Apple,RIM,...) will offer their services in all app stores (unless, of course, the app stores "reject" competitive applications...which Apple has been known to do). So, as an example, if I have a Nokia device, I should be able to get music from iTunes or Amazon or Ovi or wherever.
I do understand that Nokia wants to sell phones AND services. However, does this not include:
1. Nokia device + Nokia services (device & service)
2. Nokia device + Non-Nokia services (device only)
3. Non-Nokia device + Nokia services (service only)
FYI, I wrote the previous "Why not Android" comment. It was just food for thought.
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| 13-01-2009 06:02 PM |
| Unregistered |
im a nokia fan, have had many nokia phones and still use a couple (N95/E71) but i also use an iphone.
problems with current high end Nokia smart phones;
1. ugly (N95/N85/N96 relatively speaking) i do think the E71 design is a work of art though
2. fat - N95/N96/N97 to large for high numbers of the population
3. poor battery life on high end media devices n96, n95 (improving but still poor)
4. screen resolution and size poor/outdated - N95/N96
5. UI looks old
6. poor firmware on 1st gen releases (puts a lot of people off)
7. no app store
8. no serious / large developers - lots of small companies but no big names
9. two steps forward and one step back (camera/Flash/LED etc)
I think Nokia need to pay more attention to the design of both hardware and software - phones have become fashion items, old school geeks may be ok with chubby and clunky but new wave geeks want sleekness and style.
I know the above may make it appear as if i am not a fan of Nokia but that isnt the case - i do think they innovate, they tend to be ahead of the pack in a lot of areas but they need more attention to others.
As an aside - I keep reading that Nokia is the biggest smartphone seller in the world, this in turn creates an impression that Nokia is successful at selling smartphones - but this is simply not the case.
While technically they sell more smartphones than anyone else - a huge amount of people that buy them dont even know what they have. They bought a Nokia because it was relatively cheap and has a few features (such as music playback) that they use. Nokia dont "sell" smartphones they just sell phones of which some are very smart.
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| 13-01-2009 05:39 PM |
| Unregistered |
90% of people just want a phone, something to call and text on. Nokia is damn good at that. Personally I don't give a damn what OS is on my phone as long as it does what I want. Which isn't much because it's a pain to do stuff on such a tiny thing, and it's a pain to carry around a large device (large meaning iPhone). Anyway, Smartphones are a sideline for Nokia, they are the core business for RIM.
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| 13-01-2009 05:28 PM |
| Unregistered |
Given the current strategy, I can't see Nokia/Symbian making big gains in 2009. However, a real possibility is that Nokia acquires Palm or another player to buy its way into the US market.
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