| 12-01-2009 01:36 PM |
| Unregistered |
The biggest drawback to most people will be the DRM restriction. But there has been available for a few years now a program called 'Tunebite', this allow's you to remove the DRM from the music in a perfectly legal way. The music can then be played on any device, & burnt to cd. Don't think this will effect Nokia as they have already done the deal with the record companies, in fact if more people knew about this program it would probably help the take-up of 'Comes with music'.
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| 31-10-2008 12:17 PM |
| Unregistered |
The first "all you can eat" music download service that lets users copy tracks to any device with no strings attached has launched in the UK today. Unlike Nokia Comes With Music, the Datz Music Lounge is all in MP3 and therefore doesn’t tie you up with a particular device. Get access to over 1.4 million tracks which will play on your iPod and unlike other services once downloaded the tracks are yours to keep forever, all for a 12 month contract costing a one off free of £99.99. findout more at datzmusiclounge.com
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| 18-10-2008 11:26 AM |
| Rafe |
Quote:
DRM-free music subscription services are much more expensive (10$-20$/month) as you pointed out in the article. Also, they usually come with a maximum downloads limit. CwM is a comparatively cheap "all you can eat" service.
People with a big collection of DRM'd music from iTunes are virtually locked to iPods. Obviously, no other devices would appeal to them. So it's a moot point.
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Exactly - for this reason its going to be harder for Nokia to address those people. It be interesting to know what percentage / number of people had bought DRM locked iTunes songs such that they felt lock to the iPod ecosystem (and thus are ruled out as being Nokia customers). New entrant vs incumbent issues.
CwM is not different to any others in a sense, but it is something people might want to consider. Personally what makes CwM stand out for me is the pricing, ease of use and the keep music at the end factor.
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| 18-10-2008 07:49 AM |
| Unregistered |
Cheap All You Can Eat
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Originally Posted by Rafe
Unregistered - I made the point about other DAPs / Music Stores because for some of them you can get DRM free music. iTunes does this partially for example. You can also burn things to CD and then re-rip them. Personally I agree with you. But some will have a big collection of music purchased via iTunes that is DRM locked and therefore will only want an iPod.
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DRM-free music subscription services are much more expensive (10$-20$/month) as you pointed out in the article. Also, they usually come with a maximum downloads limit. CwM is a comparatively cheap "all you can eat" service.
People with a big collection of DRM'd music from iTunes are virtually locked to iPods. Obviously, no other devices would appeal to them. So it's a moot point.
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| 17-10-2008 11:25 AM |
| mvn |
The downfall to this type of DRM is that if Nokia decide to close the store then everybody loses their music licence (Witness the recent closure of Yahoo and Microsoft plays for sure), its just a subscription service where users rent the music but the hidden costs is added to the handset.
In many cases a full CD is cheaper than the 8.00 cost of full purchase and about 1411kbps rather than 128-192kps quality. Online music should be cheaper as the companies are saving on packing etc...
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| 17-10-2008 11:22 AM |
| bartmanekul |
Seems ok.
Although I really dont know about the 6210N. It is an FP2 device, but they do cut out a lot on those 6xxx models...
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| 17-10-2008 11:09 AM |
| Rafe |
bartmanekul - you have to keep the PC license on the same computer for year. After the year is up you can do a PC OR device transfer once every three months. At least that's what I was told - I doubt the process to do that is actually in place given it wont apply for a year.
The device transfer is a bit unclear right now - i.e. I imagine it needs to be CwM capabale, but does not have to be a CwM version - it needs to support the DRM required basically.
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| 17-10-2008 10:51 AM |
| bartmanekul |
Theres the whole breaking DRM thing, but if I can play it on my PC and phone, Im sorted.
And if I can transfer the licence to whatever new handset I get, thats me definatly sorted!
Im actually thinking it would be a brilliant present for my GF.
Except she has just got a 6210N and started a new 18 month contract.
Cmon Nokia, open up subscriptions for other phones. People want to buy your product!
Also, I want to know if its possible to transfer the computer its licensed to play on. She might well want to use mine at some point or she might replace her laptop.
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| 17-10-2008 10:42 AM |
| Rafe |
matchstick - you can download music on some phones (S60 ones certainly), but yes I would agree this should happen on all phones with CwM.
Sorry if its not clear - but yes you can play any music downloaded on the PC. (Indeed you might argue that £50 for a year of music for your PC is a fairly decent deal in its own right).
And yes any time there's DRM there's a good chance someone has broken it...!
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| 17-10-2008 09:33 AM |
| matchstick |
Sounds promising, but..
The only way that Nokia can take on the behemoth that is iTunes is to make CWM as simple as possible and it does seem that this is a good start.
However, they HAVE to find a way to allow users to download music directly on Wifi/3G enabled handsets otherwise they are lagging behind the iPhone and with the mindshare that device has they won't survive.
BTW is the music that's downloaded also licensed to play on the PC that downloads it ?
If so the fact that WMA DRM has been thoroughly broken on windows may make this a more attractive proposition for some people, albeit for completely the wrong reasons.
All in all it's a decent start for Nokia but it's missing important features IMHO and while I'll be tempted by a CMW 5800 when it's released I think I'll probably hold off until I'm not tied to a PC to get the music I want.
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| 17-10-2008 09:31 AM |
| Rafe |
Unregistered / architengi - Currently you can only get the service with a new handset.
Unregistered - I made the point about other DAPs / Music Stores because for some of them you can get DRM free music. iTunes does this partially for example. You can also burn things to CD and then re-rip them. Personally I agree with you. But some will have a big collection of music purchased via iTunes that is DRM locked and therefore will only want an iPod.
and yes agreed - phone + DAP makes sense for many, but not everyone. (e.g. I have iPod Touch, but only ever really use it on plane journeys, most of the time my phone does everything).
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| 17-10-2008 12:15 AM |
| Unregistered |
The Author is Wrong
"The fact that Comes with Music downloads are tied to a particular device is the caveat that will give the biggest cause for concern. If you already own an iPod, other DAP, or music-capable phone then you will not be able to transfer music to it. A lot of people have made significant investments in both devices and music purchases, such that the switching cost makes Comes with Music unattractive. Moreover, Comes with Music will be limited to a certain set of devices which may not have universal appeal."
As far as I know, music purchased from the iTunes Store can only be played on iPods and on a few marginal non-Apple devices. That didn't stop people from *buying* songs on iTunes Store. So the fact that FREE songs are tied to a device, Nokia phone in this case, does not constitute a deterrent for people who consider buying the phone. Furthermore, nothing prevents you from copying the songs you already own to a memory card and load it on the phone.
The trend is towards a phone+DAP device, so the Comes with Music phones are a good value proposition.
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| 16-10-2008 11:34 PM |
| architengi |
I like this service.
Can I subscribe to it? Is it 80 euros per year, or how much?
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| 16-10-2008 08:05 PM |
| Unregistered |
Cwm
I have an N95 8GB purchased in Feb 08 product code 0559497.
Are Nokia planning to let people who dont have a "Comes With Music" handset use this service. Im willing to say them a set amount to listen to music.
The only network who are going to support CWM is 3 and I dont want to have to get handset on their network
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| 16-10-2008 05:44 PM |
| Rafe |
Yes I think its missing a trick. Bear in mind the 5310 is a fairly basic handset. The browser is probably not up to the job. The newer S40 ones probably are (not tried it though).
I'm sure the 5310 CwM will do well enough, but its the 5800 version that sees the best implementation IMHO.
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