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| 20-09-2008 10:41 AM |
| Raven |
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Users want more than Apple’s Walled Garden allows
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So...? These users you're referring to must be the so called 'power users', no? Regular, non-tech savvy users certainly don't care. Again, I mention jailbreaking... I just don't get the problem. Why keep whining when there is a perfectly good solution right in front of your fingertips? It's not like it will help change Apple's business model - Apple is Apple. 
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| 20-09-2008 12:32 AM |
| unregistered |
The “Podcaster” lesson: Users want more than Apple’s Walled Garden allows
http://www.rgbfilter.com/?p=202#comment-280
Here's another article that touches on many of these issues. Plus, there's a video of Podcaster in action.
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| 19-09-2008 05:36 PM |
| buster |
Of course, the famous, Symbian-hating Mr. Orlowski...
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| 19-09-2008 04:05 PM |
| bartmanekul |
That may be, but about the handsets anything withing recent months (years?) have been oddly venomous and seemingly biased.
Its not a personal attack, its simply my opinion. A personal attack would be what you did, inferring Im childish and ignorant.
Would you read something from someone you consider biased?
No, I thought not.
When its stated that people get free phones, the impression is given they get to keep them, which as I pointed out, is not the case.
So perhaps next time you could make sure your intial post is not misleading?
Also, as you post here often, it would be helpful to others if you signed up, or at least used a name. People otherwise have no idea that the last 3 posts from unregistered are all from you.
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| 19-09-2008 04:04 PM |
| Unregistered |
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Originally Posted by bartmanekul
While nokia hand out handsets for some reviewers, they do not get to keep them
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The post didn't say anything about :keeping: them - just that Nokia sends lots of phones to S60 bloggers. That is a fact.
Who looks stupid now?
Take a chill pill and try and calm down.
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| 19-09-2008 04:01 PM |
| Unregistered |
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Originally Posted by bartmanekul
anything Nokia by Andrew Orlowski I always ignore as a rule.
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So you didn't know Nokia Comes With Music has unlimited liability? Maybe you should start reading them, they are well thought out and written by a strong Nokia supporter - not a fanboy. When you read something by someone you don't agree with... you may learn something!
Your personal attack makes you look ignorant and childish.
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| 19-09-2008 03:12 PM |
| bartmanekul |
Ah what a suprise, its from Nokia hater Andrew Orlowski.
Besides that, he is wrong, by design or ignorance. While nokia hand out handsets for some reviewers, they do not get to keep them. They have to be returned.
Tbh, anything Nokia by Andrew Orlowski I always ignore as a rule. Not because Im a nokia fanboy either, as I completely agree - and have been saying for a while - that Apples appstore is vastly superior and Nokias 'download' isnt even worthy of mentioning.
Power users generally like features - and thats why they so often prefer S60.
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| 19-09-2008 02:52 PM |
| Unregistered |
Apple's success vs Nokia's fail
The success of the Apple store is genuine, significant and speaks for itself.
"I think most bloggers on S60 are bias because they are power users"
No, most bloggers on S60 are bias because they get sent free phones by Nokia. And many get to go to Nokia PR events for S60 bloggers.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07...nity_paid_for/
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| 19-09-2008 01:30 PM |
| Raven |
Yeah, well, even if you 'brick' your phone you can still restore it in iTunes... I SSH'ed into my iPhone's file system and messed with some files I shouldn't have - result: it kept going in a boot-loop. But still, iTunes recognised it and the restore option fixed everything.
I do off course realise that most people aint gonna jailbreak their iPhone, but still, in a forum like this, it's worth mentioning. 
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| 19-09-2008 06:39 AM |
| buster |
OK, jailbreaking might be an option, but that's hardly the most obvious route to follow, no matter how easy it might be to do. Many users are going to be very wary of bricking their iPhone, and who can blame them.
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| 17-09-2008 06:34 PM |
| Raven |
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
I don't agree that the point is moot. While I agree that Nokia's Download! store is a bit rubbish, the problem with the iTunes App Store is a fundamental one; do you want the manufacturer of your device to have total control over what applications you can install on your phone? If you don't mind, then great, the App Store is probably suitable for you. If you disagree with such a policy, and I most certainly do, then an iPhone is definitely not a good choice...
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Well, lets not forget about 'jailbreaking'... A guide on how to jailbreak your iPhone is available on basically any iPhone/iPod related site out there. It's not a very difficult procedure either. And once you're done you automatically get TWO alternatives to AppStore - Cydia and Installer - which works in the same manner as AppStore, except the apps are not bound by being approved by Apple (you can install and customise practically everything on the phone once it's been 'jailbroken'). And you still get to use AppStore, as the non-Apple approved apps don't conflict with the ones installed through AppStore. So, basically, you can have your cake and eat it too. 
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| 17-09-2008 12:14 PM |
| Unregistered |
I don't agree that the point is moot. While I agree that Nokia's Download! store is a bit rubbish, the problem with the iTunes App Store is a fundamental one; do you want the manufacturer of your device to have total control over what applications you can install on your phone? If you don't mind, then great, the App Store is probably suitable for you. If you disagree with such a policy, and I most certainly do, then an iPhone is definitely not a good choice...
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| 17-09-2008 08:24 AM |
| bartmanekul |
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Originally Posted by Hardeep1singh
For the true spirit of competition to unleash, we need multiple app stores, exactly the way symbian has. :-)
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But its obvious that this method simply doesnt work, thats the argument.
Handango is probably the best bet for software (Nokia download and the online version of it has so little software it should not even be counted) for S60, but even then lots is missing.
And it seems rather high priced to me.
Plus, who actually knows about places like Handango? Your average smartphone user doesn't.
I agree that restricting it to a single source only would not be much better.
But perhaps thats why its so fragmented? Because you can pimp your application on your own website only, many people do.
Nokia should at least try to make it as attractive for developers have it with Apple. By creating an app store as good as Apples offering, they are at least giving developers a choice.
Personally, I think this whole discussion is moot until Nokia sort it out, until then the Apple app store is going to win hands down.
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| 17-09-2008 08:16 AM |
| chendu |
another nokia fanboy's article
Completely disagreeing with the author which sounds like a typical nokia fanboy article... ! Having n95 for last 8 months I simple regret the choice I made to buy this n95 as the applications are so much cluttered and mess that I would anyday prefer App Store from Apple that provides me a single point of access....
Apple makes things simple, brilliant and stuff that JUST works..... The App store provides a single point of visibility for developers for applications, reduces the rampant piracy that is prevalent with Nokia applications and it provides way more confidence to investors than the cluttered mess symbian application distribution system has...!
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| 17-09-2008 06:20 AM |
| Hardeep1singh |
To the people who've missed the point by missing a keyword. The title conveys 'SINGLE' app store is a bad idea. We need to have alternates like in the symbian world.
With just one app store owned by the manufacturer, things can go wrong. Like today its a podcasting app, maybe tomorrow they'll block a browser simply because Safari (ahem) is the best browser in the world. (Steve Jobs' fantasy world maybe).
For the true spirit of competition to unleash, we need multiple app stores, exactly the way symbian has. :-)
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