| 28-11-2008 10:45 AM |
| Unregistered |
iPhone support isn't just for the iPhone
All this railing against developers excluding the "99%" without an iPhone is ignoring the fact that support for the iPhone also brings with it support for the iPod touch, which is used by many more people (regardless of their choice of mobile phone).
On release, the original iPhone and iPod Touch were two of the highest profile, biggest selling devices which were capable of delivering high quality video streaming on a large, high quality screen - using wifi rather than the mobile networks to avoid any network opposition. They were an obvious and excellent choice of platform to test and trial a mobile iplayer.
The low-fi 3GP streams that some here are confusing with the iplayer experience on the iphone (and now N96) are a different thing entirely.
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| 16-09-2008 12:59 AM |
| Unregistered |
BBC Iplayer on mobiles
Someone was worrying about the license fee going up because Iplayer may be coming to all 3g phones. Dont worry it wont what you'll find is that the BBC will start putting adverts on Iplayer mobile.
I'm looking forward to getting it on my N82.
Be Lucky.
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| 08-09-2008 10:58 PM |
| jpwbamber |
I can get the BBC iplayer radio content on my Nokia N95 and N82 using the following sites in the S60 browser.
http://www.iplayerconverter.co.uk/
or
http://beebotron.timeforabrew.com/
or
restricted coverage on
http://bbcradio.mobi/
With the N82 I had to first change the RealPlayer options/settings/streaming/proxy to no.
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| 08-09-2008 11:13 AM |
| argh |
@Mr-X:
Ah yes, they stopped user-agent switching working back in March, by adding the requirement to add the Range header too.
Since then, they have actually modified the data that's streamed too, XORing it with a 2 byte pattern (they've changed what the 2 bytes are multiple times to make "hacks" more difficult for users!) to provide an encrypted stream.
People found out how to get an unencrypted stream though, with various workarounds. I wish CorePlayer took enough command line options to be able to pass through all the HTTP headers required to make it look like an iPhone streaming request.
Or that the BBC would stop denying 99.9% of the population access. I wonder if they will just provide the 3gp version to the N96, or if it supports whatever profile of H.264 they're using for the iPhone already. Setting up yet another codec would be very wasteful of them.
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| 08-09-2008 09:26 AM |
| Rafe |
macwhu - Ia gree, especially when you consider the N96 has extras like the video stand, big screen and lots of memory. For a lot of people those will be the important things.
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| 08-09-2008 08:41 AM |
| macwhu |
i think with the right marketing push - from nokia and instore/operators
this could save the n96 in the UK.
no phone has been really pushed with iPlayer ability.
sure the iphone can do it (probably better because of the screen)
but its not a selling point.
and yes im sure the n95 8gb/N79/n78/N85 will all be supported too.
but its all about the marketing baby.
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| 07-09-2008 09:19 PM |
| Mr-X |
@argh, I'm assuming you're talking about using the 'iPhone esque' plugin, right? Well, when you go to the iPlayer website with iPhone esque running, you are not taken to the iPhone's version but instead a simple mobile version. The videos that you can view from this mobile site are not the high quality MP4s that the iPhone gets... They're just decent 3GP videos. Don't believe me? Just go to bbc.co.uk/mobile/iplayer/index.html on any wifi enabled phone and see for yourselves.
When you manually change the user agent string to match the iPhone, the videos simply don't work. I've tried it.
If this new service for the N96 is blocked for other devices by checking user agent strings, you might aswell just declare it as hacked right now! 
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| 07-09-2008 08:40 PM |
| srw985 |
Could be good on Wifi and works fine now (the hard way) over 3G, but of course the BBC promoting it and people started to use it then it would eat so much bandwidth we'd find it completely blocked.
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| 07-09-2008 10:42 AM |
| argh |
Cost for data on my provider (chosen by my workplace) is so high that I would never consider using iPlayer over a mobile connection.
It's great for access around the house, and at other wifi hotspots though (this is my current usage pattern for applications like emTube and iPlayer on my phone).
I would imagine that operators would love the huge charges that people might run up with iPlayer 
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| 07-09-2008 09:27 AM |
| Operator Dude |
This application is just a WRT widget which presents the users with an XML driven tv listing - the same content as on the PC, the streaming is handled by realplayer.
The version I have seen didn't support download and I believe that they are looking to lock down usage to particular handsets via the UA String of the Browser/WRT Enviroment.
The real question here is can and will mobile networks support this service?
If this takes off like the PC client with traffic and the number of users go through the roof, iPlayer mobile could take down mobile operators services in highly populated areas when you get multipul users in one area all using the widget... Until MBMS, this type of service cannot be managed by mobile operators - the mobile networks are not set up for this type of service which lives outside of their walled gardens. Over night their internet connections could be saturated by iPlayer mobile traffic....
Wonder which operators will be blocking this and which operator branded devices will ship with he widget and promote this service?
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| 07-09-2008 01:06 AM |
| LaughingJohn |
Is this because the N96 tuner won't work in the uk?
The rumours seem to be that the tuner doesn't work with freeview so presumably this is a half-hearted attempt to add some of that functionality back.
I'm sure the iplayer app will work with most symbian phones if we can get hold of the software ....
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| 07-09-2008 12:48 AM |
| argh |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafe
BBC bashing - I thought this might happen when I posted the thread. Lets face it the BBC is far more forward thinking on this stuff than any other broadcaster I can think of. I for one feel they do a good job and its great to see them innovating (though yes I do think they should have done general mobile before iPhone).
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Apologies. I approve of much of the BBCs work. Solely supporting the iPhone smacked of the developers getting a new toy, rather than serving the public interest, as their charter demands.
If you have read the iPlayer blog, you would know that it was a huge amount of work that had to be undertaken to support it. When a few more minutes could have supported many times more devices, it raises my ire.
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| 06-09-2008 10:49 PM |
| Rafe |
Quote:
Originally Posted by nedrichards
Whilst there will be a WRT widget that will ship on the N96 (and maybe other devices) the service will run on an array of 3G phones with good web browsers. Download will be a bit more limited though as it is on the desktop.
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Thanks nedrichards for the clarification. Much appreciated.
For others - WRT is something that runs across all FP2 devices and most FP1 devices. Looks like it will essentially be a wrapper for an iPlayer website (i.e. a way of making it easier to access)...
BBC bashing - I thought this might happen when I posted the thread. Lets face it the BBC is far more forward thinking on this stuff than any other broadcaster I can think of. I for one feel they do a good job and its great to see them innovating (though yes I do think they should have done general mobile before iPhone).
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| 06-09-2008 10:34 PM |
| Unregistered |
There is nothing superior about the hardware on the n96. The n95 has much better dedicated video hardware decoders (h.264). Play a high resolution and bitrates h.264 encoded video on the n95 and you'll see it outperforms the n96.
People read a little about some video optimisation and think it's better than everything else. The n96 uses OLD ARM9 dual cpu @264mhz where as the N95 uses the newer ARM11 dual cpu @ ~332Mhz.
From initial benchmarks at smape the n96 is one of the slowest devices...
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| 06-09-2008 10:31 PM |
| argh |
Quote:
Originally Posted by junchao8
The thing is that the hardware platform of n96 is one of a kind in s60 world, its has hardware acceleration for certain types of codec that is unique to itself, thus its optimpsed to minimise cpu usage and extend battery life by offloading decoding or encoding tasks to special hardware, while as much as I hate the 'upgraded' processing solution in n96, this does stand itself from the freescale and omap alternatives,i guess its likely initially only iplayer support for n96 will be there hence it has superior dedicated hardware platform suited for this task, probably the stream will be H.264. i think later there will also be 3gp version of the iplayer, as bbc wants to make this available on as many handsets as possible.
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I don't think that the BBC should pick devices to be able to view iPlayer based on the battery life. That's up to the user to decide if they want to use their battery life on iPlayer - just as with WiFi, GPS, games, calls, backlight brightness, etc.
Current S60 v3 devices can already access the iPlayer site and play the media on there by changing the user-agent string of the S60 browser to look like an iPhone, as I previously mentioned. The media plays perfectly adequately in the built-in realplayer, and it requires _nothing_ from the BBC other than to allow more different user-agents to access the feed. It would literally take no effort on their part.
In the BBC Royal Charter review, they claim that the universality of the BBC (that everyone has access to it) is important to them and use this as a reason to charge a license fee. That they have not opened up iPlayer to many devices that can easily view it with no effort to them and specifically focussing on a minority of the population (and not in a politically correct "positive-descrimination" way but in an elitist "only the wealthy should be able to see it" way, considering the initial price of the iPhone at the time) could be seen as going against that view.
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