Topic Review (Newest First)
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| 30-08-2008 01:43 PM |
| Unregistered |
I agree, the consistent design language of the N series range is a good thing. I think it's worth pointing out that it looks like the N series design concept has been around longer than the N81. The two key features of the design are the gloss black front and all 4 sides being wrapped in silver. This silver edge first appeared in the menu icons on S60 3rd edition. Each icon had a consistent silver edge to it. This allowed each icon to be a completely different shape and colour but look consistent with the others. Obviously the direct comparison falls down with the n series having black fronts, but coloured back xpress-on covers of the N79 seem to show this idea again. I think the gloss black fronts are a way to reduce the components of the design (screen edges, printed buttons 3G camera), simplifying the phone as a recognisable object, like the iphone. The asymmetrical mulitmedia button is key, no other phone has this layout, and many if not all n series devices have asymmetrical labeling model labeling going all the way back to the N75. Glancing at the phone on a table you see the gloss black with the silver d-pad and multimedia key, hopefully recognising it as an n-series like you would with the large audi grill, or split bmw grill.
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| 30-08-2008 08:18 AM |
| MD90 |
I have a N81 8gb and i'm planning to buy a N85. It really doesn't matter that they look same. As long as I remember, all motorolla phones looks exactly like each other. The same is for sonyericsson.
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| 29-08-2008 04:56 PM |
| Hih |
Nah.
Nokia's design with these models is ultimately boring. Furthermore nothing new under the hood. 
I have few N8x and N9x series phones at my desk and hands, GPS feature is added after N80. That is all.
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| 29-08-2008 04:18 PM |
| Kazutoyo |
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Originally Posted by malerocks
Also worth noting is that the current symbian version released by nokia is 9.3 and the next is going to be 9.5. There will be no 9.4.  |
Actually, there is.
I read some interview some a while ago with some Symbian guy, and they just didn't announce it with a large bang cause it's such a minor update compared to 9.3.
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| 29-08-2008 02:57 PM |
| viipottaja |
Wampyre, the don't use it _because of the Asian beliefs_, not because Finns have started believing in it. We Finns all know (like most of "west") that 13 is the real evil and unlucky number.. 
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| 29-08-2008 01:07 PM |
| wampyre |
Interesting thought in this article.
Much of it which is also quite true.
To have an unified "language" is indeed what have been around for a long time.
Nokia have given N-series a similar design, while SE have been keeping the similar design throughout their W and K-series of phones which makes it both harder to distinct as well as not providing much new.
So fortunately Nokia haven't yet fallen into the traps that SE have been doing with their phones.
As long as they provide a new design for their other phone series that is fine by me.
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| 29-08-2008 12:58 PM |
| wampyre |
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Originally Posted by bartmanekul
His point was that the masses will just see the spec - 8mp must be better than 5.
And camera mp has always been a big draw for phones, regardless of the resulting quality.
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Indeed to some extent that is true, but taken into account that the internet and other magazines have been constantly criticizing the Digital Cameras for the Megapixel race, I believe that most people would know about this issue already and therefore not just run and buy the phone with the most mpx on it.
That being said I do look at it myself, but I compare it again in terms of other specs.
Is it a smartphone? What other uses can I get from the phone?
(I usually almost use all my phones functions throughout a day, that being taking a picture, reading documents, listening to podcast / music, watch media clips and the list grows on. Then again I regard myself as a power user.)
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Originally Posted by malerocks
There will never be a n84. Just as the n7x series is now complete with the announcement of the n79 and it is still missing a n74.
Nokia considers 4 as unlucky. Hence it never launches anything with 4 in it. Think about it - even in the number series phones there are phones right from 1xxx to 9xxx, except no phones exist with the 4xxx series.
Also worth noting is that the current symbian version released by nokia is 9.3 and the next is going to be 9.5. There will be no 9.4. |
That was some nice observations, but I thought that Nokia was Finnish?
The number 4 which is considered to be unlucky is because of the pronunciation is similar to the word for death. (In fact both in Cantonese and Mandarin)
So as you can see this have arrived from Asian beliefs.
A bit strange really, but fun.
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| 29-08-2008 12:53 PM |
| viipottaja |
Ewan is spot on - I've been also frustrated by all the moaning about the N85 being the "N81 again" or "N81 is the template to all N Series now". N81 is not a template for anything. It just HAPPENED to be the first phone to come out with that design _language_ (I think what the hipster designers call it ). The design language of several models was in all likelihood decided at least 2 years ago (sure, details have changed).
And Malerocks, I am sorry but you are wrong. The N78, N81, N85, N96 design is not the same - its just similar to create an N-Series design series (btw, N79 is distinctly different already). Look at the current (or almost any historic) lineup of almost any car manufacturer: you can immediately tell "Ahh.. that's an Audi" or "that's WV" - A4 looks a lot like A6 or Jetta looks similar to the Passat.
And, as Ewan pointed out, its very common in electorics too. Look at camera line ups for example.
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| 29-08-2008 12:24 PM |
| malerocks |
Just to add on the lines of the Ford Focus example given - it is fine if Nokia launches a n81i or a n81lite or n81vx or something like that and offers it as variants of the n81 (like you primarily have the Ford Focus and you have variants in 2 door, engine, etc). But the moment the model number changes, the design has to change. Again, the design change need not be drastic, but it has to be distinctively different.
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| 29-08-2008 12:12 PM |
| malerocks |
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
Don't you wonder where N84 may be  |
There will never be a n84. Just as the n7x series is now complete with the announcement of the n79 and it is still missing a n74.
Nokia considers 4 as unlucky. Hence it never launches anything with 4 in it. Think about it - even in the number series phones there are phones right from 1xxx to 9xxx, except no phones exist with the 4xxx series.
Also worth noting is that the current symbian version released by nokia is 9.3 and the next is going to be 9.5. There will be no 9.4.
On the design front, I personally would prefer variances. I would not like it if my GBP380 phone looks exactly / similar to a GBP150 phone. Sure my phone phone specs would be higher, but when people look at our phones, they don't know whose specs are higher. If I am spending good money, I want my phone to stand out - at 1st glance. I mean, how would you like it if your BMW looks like a Hyundai???
After all, variety is the spice of life...
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| 29-08-2008 11:46 AM |
| Unregistered |
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Originally Posted by 4everskyline
there are N80,N81,N82 and even the new N85 now,but i wonder where is "n83"?
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Don't you wonder where N84 may be
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| 29-08-2008 11:34 AM |
| 4everskyline |
there are N80,N81,N82 and even the new N85 now,but i wonder where is "n83"?
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| 29-08-2008 11:32 AM |
| bartmanekul |
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby
@ratkat,
Can you tell the difference between a 3.2 or 5 or 8 mp image? No, and neither can most people. Higher megapixels are marketing hype. Many professional photographers shot with lower resolution and no one can tell the difference. Nokia is smart in keeping the cost down as larger or higher MP cameras tend to cost more. Another thing to consider is size. If an 8 mp camera is the same size as a 5 mp camera, then something is wrong as the 8 mp camera has to have a larger sensor, or they are using dithering techniques to let you think you are getting more when in reality, you aren't.
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His point was that the masses will just see the spec - 8mp must be better than 5.
And camera mp has always been a big draw for phones, regardless of the resulting quality.
Khurram_8686, please can you not post in text speak? Would be much easier for the majority of the AAS readers to understand.
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| 29-08-2008 11:28 AM |
| Khurram_8686 |
i disagree on d design front, d ppl who use high end nseries (n95 to be precise) just becoz of looks may not switch to n81 types becoz of similar looks of d newer models, also thrz nthn new for them in thz fones, same 5mp cam, same features, nthn ground breaking like d n95. thz users want somethn new to boast about, remember n series fans want looks too
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| 29-08-2008 11:23 AM |
| sapporobaby |
I have to agree with Ashu. I think Nokia is trying to build a brand following by having easily recognizable phones. The LG's and Samsungs, are virutally indistinguishable. What makes the iPhone appealing is its unique, one of a kind design. Nokia is going this route as well and I hope that they are successfull.
@ratkat,
Can you tell the difference between a 3.2 or 5 or 8 mp image? No, and neither can most people. Higher megapixels are marketing hype. Many professional photographers shot with lower resolution and no one can tell the difference. Nokia is smart in keeping the cost down as larger or higher MP cameras tend to cost more. Another thing to consider is size. If an 8 mp camera is the same size as a 5 mp camera, then something is wrong as the 8 mp camera has to have a larger sensor, or they are using dithering techniques to let you think you are getting more when in reality, you aren't.
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