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| 10-07-2008 03:25 PM |
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Chinese input on S60 devices
Frankly I found typing Chinese on an S60 device to be very simple.
Every Chinese character is composed of its component "strokes". There are several types of strokes: horizontal strokes, vertical strokes, dots, corners, arcs. On S60 (or indeed any mobile phone sold in the past 10 years at least) you just type the strokes. All very intuitive since it is very close to handwriting.
BTW that Chinese handwriting input Steve showed during the keynote has to be a joke. How do you draw a Chinese character in such a small space using fingers?
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| 10-07-2008 12:32 PM |
| Unregistered |
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Originally Posted by Jaggz
The App Store is live. I just downloaded 72 applications and games, about 10 of which I paid for. The whole process took about 20 minutes and I didn't even have to log in to anything...
Man, this iPhone is a total joke! Give me the Symbian App Store any day... oh wait, there isn't one...
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Hmmm, perhaps all these new apps that I have on my N95 got there by magic then.
Oh wait, Handango. How silly of me to not notice they came from there and have been coming from there for years already!
The iPhone is no joke but it has some ignorant nurd users. It has started to get a very gadget-nurd stigma nowadays, not undeserved.
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| 10-07-2008 10:44 AM |
| Jaggz |
The App Store is live. I just downloaded 72 applications and games, about 10 of which I paid for. The whole process took about 20 minutes and I didn't even have to log in to anything...
Man, this iPhone is a total joke! Give me the Symbian App Store any day... oh wait, there isn't one...
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| 10-07-2008 08:27 AM |
| Unregistered |
Really Steve?
I agree with 99% of what you wrote. The iPhone is a great device but it does not make sense to compare it to any of the Symbian devices. Apples and oranges. The problem that I do have is with what you said about Mac's. After using Windows for many years and then one day moving over to a Mac, I realize that I have less computing issues, and for my needs there is nothing that I can not do on my Mac that I could do on a Windows PC. Sure, there is some software that is made only for Windows but more and more venders are starting to realize that if they want to make money, they will have to embrace Mac OS X.
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| 10-07-2008 07:23 AM |
| bchliu |
Chinese Input
I can guarantee that Chinese input on the Nokia is way way way more simplier than what this guy has written (which is a lot of bollocks with little to no facts).
Chinese input can be done in one of two ways - Pinyin (phonetic spelling) or through reduced strokes (Q9).
Pinyin is favourable in most parts of China as it is a semi official way to input characters in using an english keyboard (it is usually a part of school studies).
The other method - strokes input is fantastically designed and similar to T9 (called Q9). All chinese characters can be reduced to 5 basic types of strokes and can be inputted via the first five keys of the keypad. In theory, Q9 can even be faster than T9 for word selection (since Q9's wordbase is more complete and that Chinese has very little non-official words that is not in the dictionary).
You will find that majority of chinese using their phones use these methods and NOT write the characters on the screen (except Windows mobile users). Writing on the screen is slower overall..
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| 09-07-2008 05:32 PM |
| Melmotion |
N95
One more advantage the N95 and N95 8gb have over the iPhone is that it is very accessible to visually impaired and blind users like myself (with one hand of course  ). I can access all applications and features in the device using a mobile screen reader such as Mobile Speak for Symbian phones. codefactory.es/en Apple on the other hand has completely shut the door in terms of making iPhones and iPods accessible. The built in text to speech (Voiceover) in a Mac also has limited functionality compared to the likes of Jaws and Window eyes available for Microsoft Windows. Blind individuals today are very tech seby and demand the same functionality out of a computer and mobile device as that offered to sighted users. Symbian and Windows lead the way.
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| 09-07-2008 05:24 PM |
| buster |
I think Symbian is a long way from being toast, regardless of how good any future iPhone is. Let's face it, many people are not going to be happy only being able to install applications on their phone which Apple deem worthy; while the AppStore sounds like a good idea, it *is* very restrictive and will put off some/many developers from switching to the iPhone platform...
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| 09-07-2008 04:12 PM |
| Hardeep1singh |
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Originally Posted by Barkotron
(both upgraded from the Prada phone, which tells you just about everything you need to know about what they're looking for in the market, i.e. not a smartphone. Which is what they got ). |
Exactly! except for the mac fanboys most of the new users that bought iphone, got it just for the looks and the UI. Basically the likes of people who bought MOTORAZR. Apple wasn't able to fool any of the techies into buying an iphone.
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| 09-07-2008 04:03 PM |
| Unregistered |
" Is anybody but Apple producing a usable personal computer nowadays?"
This makes me laugh, whilst it might be arguable that Apple make the most usable desktop OS, that is not to say that all other OS are unusable.
In fact, the vast majority of users find Windows quite usable enough to launch their apps. (An OS is primarily there to manage and launch apps. So, if it is doing more than is needed already, why should anyone pay a premium for something they don't need? Why would the average driver trade in a station wagon for a VW Bug? The bug might be cute and easy to drive and park but the station wagon moves the stuff from A to B. Job done.
Some people would have you believe that having a sexy way of launching an OS is the be all and end all of life. Get real, it's a tool to do a job and they all do the job. Now, what's the cheapest bundled OS package?
Oh but OS/X does obscure X function with one drag and drop and has a smaller footprint.....thanks that's very nice but show me something substantial that makes a big difference to me when I am writing lesson plans.
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| 09-07-2008 03:58 PM |
| Barkotron |
meh
Until the iPhone has a worthwhile camera with video function, proper MMS support, a decent golf game (should be excellent if they get the gestures right) and a user-replaceable battery, there's no point in me getting one.
I was pretty surprised by the amount of people I know who got one, got frustrated by the fact that the ONLY thing good about it is the UI, and went back to whatever they were using before. Out of what, about 10 people I know who bought one, only two of them still use it, pretty much purely as a fashion accessory (both upgraded from the Prada phone, which tells you just about everything you need to know about what they're looking for in the market, i.e. not a smartphone. Which is what they got ).
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| 09-07-2008 02:25 PM |
| davidmaxwaterma |
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Originally Posted by tatoo1000
Because I do not care about Flickr.
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I agree. As Steve has pointed out, not only is it not correct that Apple iPhone users have posted more pictures to flikr (if you believe the user angets) at the moment, but the whole idea that flkr usage is anything more than a data point is rediculous.
I reminds me of when someone said that Google's web logs containing more iPhone than n95 (or something) user-agents means that iPhone users use the web more. No. What it means is that more iPhone users access Google. There are many countries where Google just isn't important or used anywhere near as often as in the US (or Europe) - it certainly doesn't have too many users in China, for example.
Of course, I bet things would be different if the iPhone didn't always have unlimited data (it does, right?), or if everything else did too. We have that to thank Apple for - they're pushing unlimited data, which isn't a bad thing, IMO - though perhaps Steve would prefer to always stick with his PAYG (?) schemes. There are probably similar things we have Apple to thanks for, and Google too - making the US market open up to unlocked devices, for example...etc etc.
Bored,
Max.
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| 09-07-2008 02:07 PM |
| tatoo1000 |
Why can’t Iphone users accept that the N95 is better for us???
I own my N95 for one year and never uploaded a picture to Flikr. Why? Because I do not care about Flickr. I share my 5 megapixels pictures trough mail for exchange and my wifi connection or thorugh MMS at smaller size. Does it make the Iphone better because Iphone owners use Flickr??? Does it even mean something???
I have at least 9 excellent third party apps installed and a couple of games. And garmin XT does the job… Two years ahead of the Iphone.
Iphone is sure a nice gadget and I accept it. Why can’t Iphone users accept that the N95 is better for us??? I am happy for them and their Iphones…
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| 09-07-2008 01:12 PM |
| davidmaxwaterma |
Cjk
I find the comments on CJK support somewhat laughable. Until very recently, I lived in Beijing and people there had no trouble using S60-based phones. They work very similarly to other phones and even computers. People there are very used to the pinyin-style input methods, but those aren't the only ones - there are several. It seems that the pinyin input method is the most used.
Each Chinese character is represented by pinyin. There isn't a one-to-one mapping between pinyin and chaacters, so the user is presented with a list of characters that have that pinyin[1], from which the user has to choose.
This method of inputting characters does have certain implications for the design of phones. One obvious one is that, in order to choose characters, a user needs to move their thumb from keypad to d-pad very often - pretty much once per character; so that means that the D-pad needs to be very close to the keypad and I imagine (though could be wrong) that it's better if the D-pad is on the same level as the keypad.
However, this method of inputting characters is very similar to the method on Microsoft Windows, and, hee hee, Apple Mac OS X; and the Chinese are very used to entering things in this way. They are extremely quick at doing so - I have had some Chinese friends claim they can enter faster than native English can in English, though that might also be something to do with Chinese being based on pictograms.
I wonder what the statistics are for S60 phones in CJK. I imagine close to 100% of the phones use the same or similar methods, so I the poster's comments seem ludicrous to me - since he seemed to be suggesting it wasn't even possible (I'd have to look back at the original words, but can't right now, else this stupid forum will time out[2]).
Anyway...
Max.
[1] the pinyin represents the pronunciation, but doesn't include the accent
[2] If you, like me, take some care over your posts, it can take some time. Unfortunately, the timeout is quite short and you can end up losing what you wrote :( I notice it also Capitalises my 'Title' from "CJK' to Cjk", which is annoying too. Sigh.
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| 09-07-2008 01:05 PM |
| Umberto |
Apple???
Why do most of the apple users must convince other people that they own the best and the others have rubbish?
Use apple if you want and... don't be a pain!!!
From a happy owner of a N95 that uses also Windows XP, Vista and sometimes Linux.
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| 09-07-2008 12:19 PM |
| bartmanekul |
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Originally Posted by SymFranco
As for laptops - aka Mac OSX (full) vs XP & Vista debate - what is the fuss all about ? Is anybody but Apple producing a usable personal computer nowadays?
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And again, your comments are largely invalid, as you appear to be a fanboy.
Many many people find using windows and linux extremely usable.
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