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| 29-05-2007 03:31 PM |
| N/A |
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Originally Posted by Shaxer
so you are saying that there is a way of creating sub-folders(in sub-folders in sub-folders) in my E70? what did I miss there? how?
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http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/...ssage.id=27811
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| 29-05-2007 02:42 PM |
| Shaxer |
slightly off-topic
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Originally Posted by jonnybruha
I'm also not sure if you can complain about the menu structure in s60 since it is one that allows you to move any application into any folder or position of your choosing, with subfolders as well (not native on pre FP1 smartphones, but still possible). I often find myself trying to figure out how to set up my menu to access applications the fastest, versus only having one option users would have on a non-s60. I'd be most curious to see if the iPhone will allow you to reorganize the menu structure, or if users are going to be forced to deal with the icons where they sit.
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so you are saying that there is a way of creating sub-folders(in sub-folders in sub-folders) in my E70? what did I miss there? how?
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| 28-05-2007 01:25 PM |
| Orophin Anwarunya |
TankerX that is a very wrong thing to do. Why would you hang on his every word? He is not a god and he is no infallible. He is only human and can make as big mistakes as any other man. It is not a cult it is not a religion. That kind of behaviour totally closes your mind to anything else in the outside world and creates unnecessary hate for anything but...
I'm catholic and my family are quite devout, but i dont follow the bible blindly, i ask questions and i see the mistakes. I like Nokia, but they arent perfect. I dislike Motorolla, but i know they aren't worthless and i am open to the idea of purchasing one of their products.
I dont go around every forum that isn't Nokia, and troll with insults and hate like a childish idiot (ie Macboy).
Please, think about what you said and try to open your mind and heart. Microsoft aren't evil (too corporate), Apple aren't evil (just arrogant) and both have their advantages and disadvantages. Of course you choose what works best for you, but you don't become a Jehovah's witness and try to ram your beliefs down other's throats. I refer to the Apple community in general.... their attitude sickens me, and its sad that the company is feeding of it quite happily.
I'm not accusing you of being a bad person, this is just my immidiate feelings i had to air in reaction to that shocking statement. I'm not trying to convert you to anything, i'm just hoping that you arent as blinkered as our new resident troll. Technology is fun regardless of what brand and everyone is doing their best to advance to the next level. Enthusiasts like us should enjoy it and participate constructively. Pissing wars were left behind in kindergarten.
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| 27-05-2007 04:58 PM |
| Raven |
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Originally Posted by jonnybruha
The fact that you brought up Handy Taskman at all is another point in Nokia's corner, regardless of whether or not Nokia developed the application or not. Every single piece of 3rd party software that enhances the use of an s60 is another advantage over the iPhone since, as of yet, it isn't expandable at all.
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You're missing the point. I was merely saying that S60 isn't as great an UI, design-wise, as some people here like to portray it as. Let me just say that I don't give a donkey's arse about the iPhone. My computer OS of choice is OS X. Other than that I couldn't care less about any overpriced iThingies from Apple. However, I think elp's point was that an easy to use, intuitive UI matters a lot to many people, and that's where the iPhone may have a great advantage over S60 phones (sorry, 'multimedia computers'). Besides, it is probably only a matter of time before people start finding a way to add apps to it, just like they did for the iPod.
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I'm also not sure if you can complain about the menu structure in s60 since it is one that allows you to move any application into any folder or position of your choosing, with subfolders as well (not native on pre FP1 smartphones, but still possible). I often find myself trying to figure out how to set up my menu to access applications the fastest, versus only having one option users would have on a non-s60.
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Of course I can complain about it. And I do. Maybe too much sometimes. S60 might be OK on a more regular phone, or multimedia phone or whatever, but for their more PDA-like phones like the E61(i) and E90 etc. it needs some serious overhauling. As far as Symbian phones go, UIQ and Series 80/90 are far better UIs for the more advanced phones.
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| 27-05-2007 02:59 PM |
| slitchfield |
Enough, guys! My Smartphones Show piece wasn't anti-iPhone, I'm sure it will do fantasically well for many, many people who simply don't want or need a full ultra-converged smartphone - I was just trying to put the device into perspective against devices like the N95 and E90 and to open a few people's eyes to the differences.
If I've learnt one thing over the last few years, it's that there's no one perfect device for everyone!!!
Steve
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| 27-05-2007 08:16 AM |
| Macboy |
And Nokia fanboys, when you're tired of repeatedly pressing tiny hardware keys to scroll down on long contacts list or playlists, meanwhile iPhoners will zip through them with a flick of a finger on the anti-smudge coated screen and laugh at you, all the 23 US Nokia smartphone buyers.
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| 27-05-2007 04:55 AM |
| ickypoo |
The problem with apple fanboys is, they've been dying to get some kind of telephony function into their ipods. This is the real basis of their zealousness. It could be simply an ipod with a phone in it (which come to think of it, is more or less what the iphone is) and that will come to PWN ALL AND EVERYTHING even remotely related music players and mobile phones. That's all it takes. The rest is irrelevant. You can't argue with that unfortunately.
And apple fanboys, when youre tired of repeatedly pressing tiny onscreen keys and smudging the screen in futility because Sir Steve of Jobshire has deemed stylii unnecessary, you may want to think of buying a few spare stylii to keep on the side. Ah who am I kidding... that screen cleaning and futile tapping will just be your excuse for some kind of zen-like character development. Enjoy.
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| 26-05-2007 06:51 PM |
| jonnybruha |
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Originally Posted by Raven
Take a small app like Handy Taskman f.ex. You just hold in the Menu key and start typing the first few letters of the app you want to use - press the joystick, and voila there you are. Such a simple design, yet incredibly effective. As long as you remember the names of the apps you have installed, you never have to actually bring up the dreaded menu structure and scroll through various folders to find the app you want anymore. Makes me wonder why Nokia couldn't have made something similar...
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The fact that you brought up Handy Taskman at all is another point in Nokia's corner, regardless of whether or not Nokia developed the application or not. Every single piece of 3rd party software that enhances the use of an s60 is another advantage over the iPhone since, as of yet, it isn't expandable at all.
I'm also not sure if you can complain about the menu structure in s60 since it is one that allows you to move any application into any folder or position of your choosing, with subfolders as well (not native on pre FP1 smartphones, but still possible). I often find myself trying to figure out how to set up my menu to access applications the fastest, versus only having one option users would have on a non-s60. I'd be most curious to see if the iPhone will allow you to reorganize the menu structure, or if users are going to be forced to deal with the icons where they sit.
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| 26-05-2007 04:13 PM |
| buster |
"Exactly. Even with controlled external applications, the mobile OS X and its UI make Symbian to look like shit. On the US market Nokia smartphones will blow donkey nuts in the next couple of months. Not that anybody cared about them, except some Nokia fanboy geeks."
The OSX interface is nice (my wife has a Mac). However, what works on a PC may not transfer very well to a phone. While I have no experience of S60 (I'm currently a UIQ user), the fact that Nokia sell more phones than everyone else combined probably implies that they're getting something right.
People who buy the iPhone will:
a. not care that they can't install 3rd party apps
b. not be bothered about being tied to one mobile operator
c. not mind that the iPhone's camera is basically rubbish compared to the latest Nokias
d. not worry about the lack of support for 3G.
On this basis, I would be very surprised if Nokia are the least bit worried by the (imminent?) arrival of the iPhone...
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| 26-05-2007 03:43 PM |
| Raven |
I completely agree with elp. I've been ranting about S60 since the 7650, and although the interface has evolved (slooowly), it is still far from a mature, intuitive UI in my opinion. Take a small app like Handy Taskman f.ex. You just hold in the Menu key and start typing the first few letters of the app you want to use - press the joystick, and voila there you are. Such a simple design, yet incredibly effective. As long as you remember the names of the apps you have installed, you never have to actually bring up the dreaded menu structure and scroll through various folders to find the app you want anymore. Makes me wonder why Nokia couldn't have made something similar...
Another annoyance of mine is how basic some of the built-in apps in S60 are - lacking many advanced options. Don't worry, I won't start comparing them to their Series 80 counterparts again... - Now that was an UI I really enjoyed using.
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| 26-05-2007 03:26 PM |
| Macboy |
"But Steve Jobs was talking about the operating system when he made that quote."
Exactly. Even with controlled external applications, the mobile OS X and its UI make Symbian to look like shit. On the US market Nokia smartphones will blow donkey nuts in the next couple of months. Not that anybody cared about them, except some Nokia fanboy geeks.
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| 26-05-2007 03:05 PM |
| davidmaxwaterma |
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Originally Posted by buster
... a non-extendable phone...
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Well, I've read that it's not completely decided yet. From what I've read, I wouldn't be surprised if they come out with something along the lines of Symbian Signed.
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Originally Posted by buster
The fact that you won't be able to buy an iPhone without a contract in the US maybe says it all....
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Well, it could be said that this is because they needed some sure-fire way of entering the market - not an easy thing to do in the US where almost no one buys contract-free phones. I wonder if they would have done better releasing it elsewhere...with 3G, it might have done pretty well in Europe.
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| 26-05-2007 03:01 PM |
| davidmaxwaterma |
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Originally Posted by Chemman
But Steve Jobs was talking about the operating system when he made that quote. That makes a lot of difference in my eyes.
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Well, *I* was hoping that it might make a difference to the development of applications; that, perhaps, we could develop for OS X using the tools on there, but target the phone.
However, his comments pertaining to 3rd party applications aren't encouraging. It doesn't seem to be set in stone yet - we'll have to wait and see.
Max.
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| 26-05-2007 03:00 PM |
| buster |
While I think you have a point, many people will argue that NOT having many options restricts the user's ability to customise their iPhone. Not a problem for many (I have several iPods and like their simplicity), but not necessarily what one would expect of a genuine smartphone...
At the end of the day, Steve Jobs can bang on about the iPhone or the OS being 5 years ahead of anything else, but what you have is basically a non-extendable phone having a nice UI combined with an iPod; maybe very nice, but not necessarily earth-shattering.
The fact that you won't be able to buy an iPhone without a contract in the US maybe says it all....
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| 26-05-2007 02:49 PM |
| Chemman |
Just my 2 cents:
You keep repeating in your shows that Steve Jobs said that the iPhone "is five years ahead of any other phone" and then point to a software or hardware feature that has been available on other phones for years to prove he is wrong.
But Steve Jobs was talking about the operating system when he made that quote. That makes a lot of difference in my eyes. He was not talking about the hardware, which is somewhat underwhelming indeed (at least the American version, who knows what the European version will have).
When I did watch the keynote I thought "My Nokia & Motorola can do all that and more". But the iPhone does it a lot easier. There is no menu with submenu's containing options, no multifunction buttons to press. Judging from the keynote, it is very easy to operate. And I think that is the strenght of the iPhone. It is the software that makes or breaks a phone. Nokia might have better hardware but their software is not nearly as user friendly.
The same was true for the iPod. There were better featured products but none was as easy to operate and use. We all know which one was most sucessfull. I think the iPhone will have a similar effect.
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