Thought I'd start a new thread to try and see if there's any link between firmware versions and the poor battery life some people are getting (me included)

Software version - I8510XXHH6
Custom version - I8510L26XEUHH6
16GB version, battery currently lasting 1 day.

Grahame

Good idea...my versions are -

Software version - I8510XXHH7
Custom version - I8510L08XEUHH8
16GB version, battery currently lasting 1 day or less

I URGE EVERYONE WHO HAS A POOR BATTERY TO DO THIS...at least we can try to find the common denominator and spot a trend. my guess is that certain firmware versions are causing problems with the battery i.e. there are too many processes running in the background which is killing the battery...other firmwares probably dont run as much and therefore battery lasts longer.

If you want to know what's running in the background, you can try JBak taskmanager. I only have 'screencapture' running (although I did not install it).

I run XXHH99, 29/08/2008

Custom version L04XENHHc

Battery life seems to be getting better here. I don't know whether it is because:
- the battery is getting better
- I switched WLAN scanning to 10 minutes THEN to off
- I seem to remember there not being a symbol for "not active data connection" onder the signal quality-bar, whilst now there is... I might be mistaken tho.

agreed, i have jbak taskman installed and i can see what processes are running....theres loads of them, however, i dont know what most of them do...for example, i terminated one process and it restarted my phone.....i really hope the firmware update addresses this issue.

Firmware: XXHH7

Custom: L08XEUHH8
Date: 20/08/08

Battery Life - 2 Days Normal usage (few phone calls, lots of messages, a few pictures, the odd flash/java game).

Firmware: XXHH7

Custom: L08XEUHH8
Date: 20/08/08

Battery Life - 2 Days Normal usage (few phone calls, lots of messages, a few pictures, the odd flash/java game).

interesting....exactly the same phone firmware wise, yet a days difference in battery life. i let my battery drain the other day and charged it for 16 hours....made absolutely zero difference.

i think some batteries are faulty...its the only conclusion at the moment (i have done a hard restart on my phone and still makes no difference). i really am struggling to get a days battery, even with minimal use.

rp1001 - I must say I've not been disappointed with my battery life at all. It is better than my original nokia n95 that it replaced.

When I first got my N95 it required a nightly charge. After nokia released the v21 firmware it lasted two days before needing a charge (much like my current i8510 with exactly the same usage). Then after a few months of use it went back to needing a nightly charge (classic cr@p nokia battery quality).

I've not noticed any decrease in effectiveness of my i8510 battery yet. Its lasted two days pretty much ever since i had it. Occasionally 3 days with very little use, and one day if its a saturday and I've taken 100+ photos.

Battery life is NOT being affected by which firmware people are running. What is affecting it is what services people have active on their phone.

I've noticed that the INNOV8 has attracted a lot of buyers (and some are on these forums) who have not had a S60 phone before; or have traded up from another feature phone, such as a lesser Samsung.

The battery life on the INNOV8 is very good - much better than that achieved by Nokia on the N95, N95 8GB or even the N96.

To everyone who's experiencing "poor" battery life, check the following:

Is your phone making 3G / GPRS connections on it's own? (many applications do this if left open)
Do you have GPS tagging enabled on pictures taken with the camera?
Do you have Wireless scanning enabled or set to a timed scan?
Do you have Bluetooth turned on?
Are you leaving any applications open for a long period of time? (for example the camera)
Do you have any applications auto-launching on startup? (like Shozu, which not only auto-starts, but also uses a LOT of 3G data connectivity)

Once all these things are turned off (definitely turned off) then see what the battery life is like.

Dear stuclark,

I've had S60 phones since the 7650, including the N95 8Gb. And my record uptime with the i8510 has been a measely 36 hrs. With the N95 8Gb, I almost always had more then 48 hrs, and more often then not I managed 3 days. That seems utterly impossible with the i8510.

I can answer a definate NO to all the questions you pose, except for ShoZu. I never even started it until just now, to check whether or not there was an autostart-option. I didn't find any.

I did find shozu, and two other processes with shozu in the name, under processes using jbak taskmanager. I have them auto-killed at startup now. Let's see if that makes the battery run longer!

Does anyone have any idea what 'screencapture' does? It doesn't destabelise the phone when I kill it.

I have 76,6 mb free after booting now.

Edit: it's also funny that an app named screensaver is running, while the i8510 does not support screensavers!

Battery life is little more even taking into account the manufacturer's specifications.

For all your questions, the answer is NO. Unless one application does not appear to run and hide. With the taskman me appear very much ongoing, but did not know which one to tell me consumes the battery.

Today, with moderate use, multiple calls, multiple photos, some video, minutes of connection to 3G and even got a 40% enough pots ..... for me. I do not think that endure another day.

Even so I bought on ebay a battery made in china and a car charger.

I am convinced that the low battery can be partly solved with a new firmware ..... although I do not think the thing that much variety.

Greetings.

I regularly get between 48 and 72 hours standby time, and I use my phone a *LOT*. For example, I have it checking my emails every 15 minutes (which is GPRS / HSDPA access) and I use the GPS quite regularly.

If you're seeing battery life under 48 hours, it's OBVIOUS that some process on the phone is using up more battery than it should, and seeing as everyone on these forums has one of three firmware versions (and I'm NOT on the latest) then blaming firmware is currently not an option.

If you're seeing battery life under 48 hours, it's OBVIOUS that some process on the phone is using up more battery than it should, and seeing as everyone on these forums has one of three firmware versions (and I'm NOT on the latest) then blaming firmware is currently not an option.

Its not at all OBVIOUS. Do you not even consider that he just might have a poor battery ?


My personal experience is that I get longer battery life than I did from the N95

Well, my battery didn't even last 24 hours, with the processes associated with Shozu disabled. No surpirse really, because I'd notice if there would be a data-connection now and then. That's because I'm on GSM, not 3G, to save battery. So i'd see a seperate GPRS-connection being set up.

Luckily it's "OBVIOUS" there's some process draining my battery. If you have any hints on what that might be, and why it doesn't show up in jbak taskmanager, I'd be very grateful to hear about it. I can live with a phone that needs a charge every single day, but if it can be avoided, that would be nice.

To avoid any unnessesary comments: the answer to all the questions stuclark posed above is NO. After having had the Nokia 7650, the NGage, 6600, 6630, N70, N80, N93, N95 and N95 8Gb, I know how to save battery with a Symbian phone.

I regularly get between 48 and 72 hours standby time, and I use my phone a *LOT*. For example, I have it checking my emails every 15 minutes (which is GPRS / HSDPA access) and I use the GPS quite regularly.

If you're seeing battery life under 48 hours, it's OBVIOUS that some process on the phone is using up more battery than it should, and seeing as everyone on these forums has one of three firmware versions (and I'm NOT on the latest) then blaming firmware is currently not an option.
As far as I can tell there is nothing running in the background, the phone is setup to save power as far as possible and still the battery will only last a day, and this is without actually using it - no text, no calls, no gps, no internet, no camera, no music or video.
Can you tell me what I'm doing wrong then?

Today when you turn the phone has been using the task manager running an application called "screencapture "..... curious truth? I have completed the process, but the battery still lasted too little too .... I think that some unknown process is draining the battery. Let's see if we can all find the solution.

It is clear that some are lasts 3 days ..... hopefully I lasted so much to me.

I used to get at least 1-2 days out of my i8510 but I must have done something to it because now I dont even get 1/2 a day with virtually NO use. I charge it at work from my PC during the day and disconnect from my PC at about 5pm. The only thing I use it for at the moment is the odd text at night and my alarm in the morning.

When I wake up my battery is at 2 bars only so I have to recharge it again as soon as I get into work.

Something is seriously not right with it. I have checked there are no running programs, all settings are set to off (bluetooth, wifi etc).

Its crazy. Would a factory reset help clear any erronous setting or hidden app? I use taskman to see whats running and there does not appear to be anything but I am new to Symbian and am not sure what the running processes are.

Do you ever turn it off? Rebooting helps clear the memory of processes that have gone wild.

I have turned it off many times, removed shozu accounts and deactivated it, done pretty much everything I can think of but nothing seems to help.

FIREWARE
I8510XXHH7

CUSTOM
I8510L08XEUHH8

Only just started to get bad battery life, lucky if it makes it 24 hours before needing a recharge, work ok till sometime last week

Long time S60 user - Got my i8510 during release week

I only really use it for texting and not many calls but I get between 3-5 days - Bluetooth and WiFi are obviously turned off

So far it's the best Symbian phone I've had - Battery or otherwise :)

Firmware:- I8510XXHH7

Custom Firmware:- I8510L08XEUHH8

Without trying to 'boast' im getting around 5-7 days out of my battery. Always leave it to drain to almost nothing and give it a full charge.

Last charge was overnight on thurs 20th, normal usage over fri, sat (few pictures messages etc), recorded around 28 minutes of video on sun which made a dent but after 3.5 days now its still on half battery and will probably last another couple of days....

All in all one of the best batteries ive had on any phone.:icon14:

Firmware:- I8510XXHH7

Custom Firmware:- I8510L08XEUHH8

Without trying to 'boast' im getting around 5-7 days out of my battery. Always leave it to drain to almost nothing and give it a full charge.

Last charge was overnight on thurs 20th, normal usage over fri, sat (few pictures messages etc), recorded around 28 minutes of video on sun which made a dent but after 3.5 days now its still on half battery and will probably last another couple of days....

All in all one of the best batteries ive had on any phone.:icon14:

That's simply incredible to me... Mine seems to be getting worse, I didn't even make 24 hrs today =/

I always try to drain it to the last drop then fully charge it too, but that hardly ever happens because of the phone automatically charging when transferring data. I wish I could turn that off, it's not good for the battery.

But still really amazing, that there can be such a huge difference. I wish you and I could swap batteries to see if it's a battery problem or something else.

Our mod said it was OBVIOUS that it's some process, but he obviously has no idea which one... I have the same programs running on my i8510 as I had on my N95 8Gb, none of which auto-start. All other program's, like Shozu or even Google Maps, are built-in the firmware, so if there's a problem with those, it's a firmware problem (contrary to what stuclark said about that). But I suspect it's a hardware problem =\

I read somewhere that the screen tilting might be the problem. Will test that today.

I got to the point my battery was lasting me less than 12 hours with no usage whatsoever.... After reading all possible forums I set every single option to off and then removed Garmin....

Now I have had the phone on stand by for over 24 hours and the battery still shows full...

My phone is the UK version running HH7.

There must definitely be a runaway process or more that cause the fast drainage.. I just wish Samsung would get their act in gear and released some sort of support for this phone.

It is kind of sad of having such a beautiful and powerful device afflicted with such a problem.

Hmmm well good to hear that at least it is possible... I wonder which setting it was that did the trick! Could you elaborate please on what you did?

Turning screen rotation off does not look all to promising. I'm down 25% on my battery since fully charging it this afternoon already =/

According to all the Info I gathered,

I disabled the Video sharing option.
Set the default theme.
Turn auto pivot off.
Turn optical joystick off.
Removed Garmin.
Wifi to never.
Turn automatic light sensor on.

These were pretty much all the 'suspects' I read about on other and this forum. So far the battery is still going and just to make sure, I restarted the phone and it still showed full. I enabled the gps, Route66, for about 10 minutes and finally it dropped one bar... So at least I know it is not stuck...

We'll keep monitoring.

Firmware:- I8510XXHH7

Custom Firmware:- I8510L08XEUHH8

Without trying to 'boast' im getting around 5-7 days out of my battery. Always leave it to drain to almost nothing and give it a full charge.

Last charge was overnight on thurs 20th, normal usage over fri, sat (few pictures messages etc), recorded around 28 minutes of video on sun which made a dent but after 3.5 days now its still on half battery and will probably last another couple of days....

All in all one of the best batteries ive had on any phone.:icon14:

That cannot be achived in no way!!!
Because battery of 1200mah is not able to do such long days even If you dont touch the phone!!! Dont know why are you telling this people that you manage to achive 6 days of "normal" use and 30min of video!!! I Have secound i8510,I bought it because I wanted to see are there any differences betwen markets!!! NO,there are no differents in battery,software...Every anomaly that has my first one has the secound...WiFi always on,even if it is in options NEVER,very,very poor battery...I was recording for 5 min 2 days ago with my first i8510 and battery level from full charge went to 3bars...So! The thing about the battery you are telling is NOT,I repeat NOT POSSIBLE with Samsung I8510 or how many others call it INNOV8!!!

I always try to drain it to the last drop then fully charge it too, but that hardly ever happens because of the phone automatically charging when transferring data. I wish I could turn that off, it's not good for the battery.


You have that the wrong way around. You should definatly not drain the battery.

The modern batteries prefer to be charged whenever you can, draining them to empty each time will reduce lifespan and capacity.

According to all the Info I gathered,

I disabled the Video sharing option.
Set the default theme.
Turn auto pivot off.
Turn optical joystick off.
Removed Garmin.
Wifi to never.
Turn automatic light sensor on.

These were pretty much all the 'suspects' I read about on other and this forum. So far the battery is still going and just to make sure, I restarted the phone and it still showed full. I enabled the gps, Route66, for about 10 minutes and finally it dropped one bar... So at least I know it is not stuck...

We'll keep monitoring.

Also removed GarminXT from mine after poor battery life (24 hours as mentioned elsewhere) and only 1 bar gone overnight (3 bars before), so has anyone else with problems installed Garmin?
Still to test but before Garmin installed 94 processes running and 95 after installation so will have to find which one, maybe that's the one on my phone causing the problems.
Though having said that the phones info does say 270 hours (11 days) standby, so where does this number come from?
I assume by standby they mean switched on but not used, can't see that somehow as the best reported is about 7 days (average seems 4 days from other reports).

I installed Garmin only yesterday, and had battery problems before that. It doesn't seem to be the problem.

Turning off automatic screen rotation doesn't help either.

Does anybody know what the "power saving" option under the disaply options actually does?

That cannot be achived in no way!!!
Because battery of 1200mah is not able to do such long days even If you dont touch the phone!!! Dont know why are you telling this people that you manage to achive 6 days of "normal" use and 30min of video!!! I Have secound i8510,I bought it because I wanted to see are there any differences betwen markets!!! NO,there are no differents in battery,software...Every anomaly that has my first one has the secound...WiFi always on,even if it is in options NEVER,very,very poor battery...I was recording for 5 min 2 days ago with my first i8510 and battery level from full charge went to 3bars...So! The thing about the battery you are telling is NOT,I repeat NOT POSSIBLE with Samsung I8510 or how many others call it INNOV8!!!

I may be alot of things but im not a liar.....:mad:

Like i said the last time i charged my Innov8 was overnight thurs, i took it off charge at around 11 o clock, i then travelled with the phone down to london, and left the charger at home as i knew it would last for the weekend. the 28 mins of video (320x480) was taken on sunday of my girlfriends cousins little lad playing with toys we took down for him (3 vids, 2 x 10mins, 1 x 8 mins). I also took a few pics down there too. Ive since played 20 mins of music sent around 30 text messages and had a few phone calls...

Phone is still on 2 bars....4 days 44 mins after charging.

Settings are default, wifi is on never, tilt is on, joystick is on, theme is default with custom picture (Watchmen). ive never touched Shozu though ive used Google maps alot. Oh and Auto Brightness is on and Power save mode is off. Wonder if i can get an extra day out of it with that turned on...

If you need more info then by all means ask.

Of course im just some guy on the internet....i could be saying anything.....:frown:

...I think a few of the replies on here lately have shown that infact I am correct when I say there is NOT a firmware problem with battery usage, and indeed most if not all "poor" battery life issues are being caused by running applications and processes on people's phones.

S60 is a complicated operating system, with many, many features which run in the background. As more than one person on here is able to get multi-day battery life from their phone when configured correctly (personally I can manage over 3 days) then it shows that either everyone else has faulty batteries (highly unlikely), or there are applications and / or processes running on your phones!

Before calling myself and other users liars, make sure you know what is and isn't happening on your phones!

One user's comment that "Shozu is built into the firmware, therefore it's a firmware problem" is simply incorrect. Shozu is neither built into the firmware, nor does it prove a problem with the firmware. Shozu is a 3rd party application, which is bundled pre-installed on the phone, and which is capable, once used, of auto-starting when the phone is turned on, and will make data connections on it's own. As it's meant to do! I use it from time to time on my phone, but I make damned sure I properly disable it afterwards, as otherwise my battery life drops to a few hours (due to constant data connections and GPS usage)

...I think a few of the replies on here lately have shown that infact I am correct when I say there is NOT a firmware problem with battery usage, and indeed most if not all "poor" battery life issues are being caused by running applications and processes on people's phones.

S60 is a complicated operating system, with many, many features which run in the background. As more than one person on here is able to get multi-day battery life from their phone when configured correctly (personally I can manage over 3 days) then it shows that either everyone else has faulty batteries (highly unlikely), or there are applications and / or processes running on your phones!

Before calling myself and other users liars, make sure you know what is and isn't happening on your phones!

One user's comment that "Shozu is built into the firmware, therefore it's a firmware problem" is simply incorrect. Shozu is neither built into the firmware, nor does it prove a problem with the firmware. Shozu is a 3rd party application, which is bundled pre-installed on the phone, and which is capable, once used, of auto-starting when the phone is turned on, and will make data connections on it's own. As it's meant to do! I use it from time to time on my phone, but I make damned sure I properly disable it afterwards, as otherwise my battery life drops to a few hours (due to constant data connections and GPS usage)

Dear stuclark, let's avoid a technical discussion over whether or not google maps and shozu are or are not part of the firmware. Fact is you can't un-install or upgrade those apps, and we'll only get updates if Samsung includes updated versions in new firmware. So whether or not it's technically part of the firmware or not, the effect is the same - we need Samsung to fix it.

I'm still wondering if you have an educated guess about what application or process is running, that is depleting my and other ppl's batteries. I KNOW what is happening on my phone, as it is nothing different then on my N95 8Gb or N93. I also know because it is easily visible using the built-in or a third party task manager, what processes are running.

Nobody should call anybody a liar. But also, if claims are made about what causes this big problem (it is a big problem stuclark, as you know by your activities on the www) - they should be substantiated. You haven't offered any substantiation of your claim that it is some rogue process. And so far the only really substantiated thing is what Falco said - because he is the only one who has experience with his i8510 with a long-running and short-running battery. And of course the other stuff ppl tried, and those having no effect.

Give me a clean room test environment, with all your phones together, and we'll do some tests!

Without knowing what has been done to a particular phone; what has and hasn't been installed; what has and hasn't been configured etc. how am I meant to tell you exactly *what* is causing the problem you're seeing?

What we can say is that: My phone, configured well (as in I know what's running, even if it doesn't show up in the built-in or 3rd party task managers), lasts well over 2 days, AND I have it making data connections, on it's own, every 15 minutes! Other people have said that having reset their phone to the factory defaults and changed a couple of settings, have achieved the same thing.

As I've said before, I can MAKE my phone only last a few hours. I know how to do that. I also know how to make it last days by turning OFF the applications which are likely to cause the battery use to increase. I've said what some of these applications are (I can't be expected to guess every application people have installed on their phone). In essence (again):

Disable wireless scanning
Turn off GPS tagging
Ensure Shozu isn't running (quickest way to do it is to open Shozu and ensure NO login details are set, then make sure it's not set to auto-start)
Ensure Bluetooth is turned off
Set the screen backlight timeout to something sensible (I have 10 secs)
Set the powersave settings to ON
Ensure no email / other applications are set for timed downloads (includes GPS+)

...try that lot (and make sure of them), then tell us what's happening!

I tried those things, but to no avail. Well, except for setting powersaving options on the backlight. I could try it, but I always had brightness on max on all my phones and managed to get a couple of days of use, and I'm not planning on walking around with a dimly lit phone to conserve battery. Nor should it be neccesary, as it wasn't with my other s60v3 phones.

My phone is also configured well, like all my symbian phones always have been. If it's misconfigured, it's been like that from the factory.

I'll try the #7370# when I get a memory card so I can backup all my phone settings. Unfortunately the i8510 won't backup to the internal 8Gb =/ A bug I guess. I might use the supplied software, but the Symbian built-in backup always served me well, and eliminated the need for separate software.

I have had my phone for about 6 weeks now and like a lot of people have not had great battery life but was never sure was causing it. Well last night I was messing about with Fring and other 3rd party apps and the battery stayed constant at 4 bars. I then took a photo with the flash and it went down to 3 bars, tried taking another photo with the flash and it went down to 2 bars straight away.

Not very scientific I know but in my experience the camera uses up the most juice on the i8510, especially taking video footage, other 3rd party apps don’t help but are not the main culprits. This is a shame for a phone where the camera is one of, if not the main feature.


gmac00

Thought i may aswell give an update.

Phone is still on 2 bars so its been going for 6 days (taken of charge on fri morning at 11ish) after a full overnight charge. I got mixed up with my days yesterday, thought it was monday! Usage has been fairly low yesterday and today, i sent around 30 messages and received about 30.

Camera does use alot of juice, i always loose a bar when using it regardless.

If theres a way of proving this i'll gladly do it...

EDIT:- Just gone down to 1 bar since sending a couple of texts. Going to see if it'll last overnight. If it hits 11 'o' clock GMT tomorrow (thurs) then thats 7 days of low to moderate usage.....which is what i said i usually get.

Afyer playing with the i8510 for about 3/4 weeks my theory is as follows:

At first the battery life seems crap, once you get used to it and how it works you can EASILY make the battery last 2 or 3 days.

I use my phone all day at work for music and radio, (probably around 4/5 hours minus lunch and talking to colegaues) This doesn't seem to affect the battery much at all, Maybe one or two bars. I send probably 20 - 30 texts a day, use the camera. Make a couple of calls and maybe check emails on the way home.

The one thing in my experience that kills the battery is the GPS, I'm sad and sometimes use it on the train (to see how fast im going) or google maps walking down the street and this is the one thing that seems to have a noticable affect on battery life.

btw

my screen is on quite dim (i prefer it that way)
i have auto pivot off
it doesnt search for connections
power management is on
gps tagging is off
bluetooth is off

I have not installed any apps to see what is running in the background yet.

Thought i may aswell give an update.

Phone is still on 2 bars so its been going for 6 days (taken of charge on fri morning at 11ish) after a full overnight charge. I got mixed up with my days yesterday, thought it was monday! Usage has been fairly low yesterday and today, i sent around 30 messages and received about 30.

Camera does use alot of juice, i always loose a bar when using it regardless.

If theres a way of proving this i'll gladly do it...

EDIT:- Just gone down to 1 bar since sending a couple of texts. Going to see if it'll last overnight. If it hits 11 'o' clock GMT tomorrow (thurs) then thats 7 days of low to moderate usage.....which is what i said i usually get.
Those are truely amazing figures, although I wager I'd get somewhere near if I turned off *every* power eating function on my phone. As it is I can get 3 days out of it...

Is there a way of getting a list of whats running on my phone so i can post it? Can i post pics too?

Ive not turned any programs off since recieveing the phone. I made sure WIFI was set to never but thats it. Power saving is still off. I did notice a drop in battery life when i had a third party theme installed (went down to 4days ish).

...still annoyed about being accused of lying......

how do i close 3g/gprs , my battery seems to be bit crap lately,got garmin on it, would that drain battery and y, 3g is showin up on my phone now does that mean its active, got jbak taskman,are there any obvious things i can close down in processes ,threads and what is chunks, lol, when i checked jbak i`ve got 98 processes runnin

Are people using the "elegance noire" theme? I am.

Buztafen, don't worry about it, other ppl don't think you're lying of course!!

neild2, I read in a comment by Falco on Howard Forums (http://www.howardforums.com/showpost.php?p=11982097&postcount=23) that Garmin drains the battery after usage.

You can switch to GSM instead of 3G under settings -> phone -> network (might be slightly different names, I have a dutch menu).

edit: I'm not using the elegance noir theme, but an old Mango theme called First Snow. It looks really great, also thanks to the nice icons Samsung uses. The theme is still for sale for a couple of euro's in the Nokia store.

i bought a new battery for my i8510 - made zero difference. also uninstalled garmin - made zero difference.

my last and final test will be to format the phone and not install any apps and switch most of the suspects (e.g. wifi scanning, etc) off.

If the battery still drains, then we defo know that the firmware is the culprit.

The firmware theory is sound despite some people saying otherwise. I suspect certain firmwares are running more processes then other firmwares. You only have to look at the software bundled with different types of firmware. e.g. european model includes roadsync, fifa 08, route 66. Asian models excludes route 66, roadsync, etc. The same will probably apply to hidden processes.

I'll report back once ive figured out how to unbrick my new HP laptop - im not having much luck with technology at the mo!

I think people who are experiencing bad batteries should post the apps installed on their phone? I'll try to get a list for me.

Jules - thx for the info

Whats the easiest way of listing the process that are running on the phone? Is there a program thats already installed that can be used or is there a third party program?

Cheers.

JB Task man is a freeware and that will give you all sort of info including running processes.

The Garmin issue afflicted a great deal of people who after removing no longer have a battery issue. Including me. Since I removed Garmin and made sure all the possible settings are off, even using the default theme, the battery is lasting what it seems forever....

However, this is not an ideal situation to say the least. To have such a powerful phone and yet unable to do anything with it cause the battery...

To Jules_N93, i am Falco on HOFO....

JB Task man is a freeware and that will give you all sort of info including running processes.

The Garmin issue afflicted a great deal of people who after removing no longer have a battery issue. Including me. Since I removed Garmin and made sure all the possible settings are off, even using the default theme, the battery is lasting what it seems forever....

However, this is not an ideal situation to say the least. To have such a powerful phone and yet unable to do anything with it cause the battery...

To Jules_N93, i am Falco on HOFO....

Cheers for that, i'll give that program a go. Only just starting to scrape the tip of the iceberg with this phone. Never had a symbian mobile before.

what shud packet data be set as, does that affect the battery, dont really know much bout all this

what shud packet data be set as, does that affect the battery, dont really know much bout all this

Mines set to 'When needed' at the mo. Works fine.....not sure what it is though:rolleyes:

I've been looking at this and other forums with great interest after getting my i8510, in part to learn about it, but also to try and figure out the hugely disappointing battery life (no more than 15 hours).

I turned off all the usual suspects and was getting resigned to having to charge it every day, when I downloaded JBaktaskmanager and closed down the 'Screencapture' program that it listed, with no ill effects. This was on Sunday. I charged it Sunday night and was chuffed when the battery was still showing as full after work (about 5pm), next day it had only dropped 1 bar, when before it would be flat.

Seems like I've cracked it for my phone, it's still using the same charge (bar about 5 minutes of usb charging when transferring photos) and it's still on 3 bars.

I'm still keeping the superfluous stuff off, but the battery life is now pretty decent, should easily see 2-3 days with good use.

My firmware is:

Firmware: XXHH7

Custom: L08XEUHH8
Date: 20/08/08

As such, I don't think it's the firmware.

I've been looking at this and other forums with great interest after getting my i8510, in part to learn about it, but also to try and figure out the hugely disappointing battery life (no more than 15 hours).

I turned off all the usual suspects and was getting resigned to having to charge it every day, when I downloaded JBaktaskmanager and closed down the 'Screencapture' program that it listed, with no ill effects. This was on Sunday. I charged it Sunday night and was chuffed when the battery was still showing as full after work (about 5pm), next day it had only dropped 1 bar, when before it would be flat.

Seems like I've cracked it for my phone, it's still using the same charge (bar about 5 minutes of usb charging when transferring photos) and it's still on 3 bars.

I'm still keeping the superfluous stuff off, but the battery life is now pretty decent, should easily see 2-3 days with good use.

My firmware is:

Firmware: XXHH7

Custom: L08XEUHH8
Date: 20/08/08

As such, I don't think it's the firmware.


Interesting find....does anybody know what the screen capture function actually does?

I'm curious too. All I know is it's not running on a N93....

Well given its name it'd be safe to assume it runs on the background waiting for a screen capture command to be issued/triggered...

In my case, and I have the same HH7 firmware, it was not causing excessive drainage.. After endless tests, only Garmin was the cause of the problem and it is not a Garmin problem either as I have the same set up on my N79 and there are no problems with its consumption.

Also removed GarminXT from mine after poor battery life (24 hours as mentioned elsewhere) and only 1 bar gone overnight (3 bars before), so has anyone else with problems installed Garmin?
Still to test but before Garmin installed 94 processes running and 95 after installation so will have to find which one, maybe that's the one on my phone causing the problems.
Though having said that the phones info does say 270 hours (11 days) standby, so where does this number come from?
I assume by standby they mean switched on but not used, can't see that somehow as the best reported is about 7 days (average seems 4 days from other reports).

Thought I'd solved it as the battery lasted 3 days but overnight it lost half its charge from being fully charged.
Was gonna try the #7370# but every time I try to backup the phone memory to the memory card I get an error 'Error occurred. Operation cancelled'.
Any suggestions?
Otherwise back to square one.
Thinking of getting rid of phone and going back to Nokia, at least you can get a 1600mah battery for the N96 now.

Screencapture is not the process that's causing the battery to drain quickly, as it is running on everyone's phones (unless manually stopped) and on mine I leave it running all the time, without any ill effect.

If you got 3 days out of the battery then that is GOOD! Remember the 8510 is a smartphone with many, many functions going on all the time. It's not the same beast as something like the Samsung U600, and can't be compared as such.

I'm also intrigued as to why everyone is blaming GarminXT so much, and indeed, how so many people have installed it on their phone. Garmin is a GPS application, therefore will make use of the GPS functions of the phone. These drain the battery, as they do on ANY phone! Why is Garmin needed anyway? Route66 (Samsung Navigator) is perfectly capable as a navigation tool, and seems to be quite sparing on the battery, considering it too is using the GPS functionality of the phone!

Following on the topic of the Screencapture process. I have tried numerous things over the last week to try to find out what is causing my battery to drain overnight. As I said before, I used to get a good run from my battery between charges.

Since yesterday, the only thing I have done is to stop the Screencapture app and now my battery is still showing full bars even with it being on overnight and I use it for my alarm in the morning. I have also sent a couple of texts this morning and played about 5 mins of a game and still no drop in battery.

Is this coincidence or could the Screencapture process really be the cause of my poor battery drop? Whatever way, I am sure happy again .

I8510 8GB
Software version: I8510XXHH7
Custom version: I8510L08XEUHH8

Indeed, you should not compare an U600 to an i8510, but you CAN compare it to the N95 8Gb, which is also a smartphone, runs the same OS, has the same capacity battery. If you get 3 days with either, it's good. If you get a day or less, it's bad. And that's what it's about here stuclark, ppl getting a day or less.

Turned off screensaver halfway through a battery yesterday, and at least it lasted more then 24hrs. Will give it a full charge todat and see what happens.

Maybe you should try to stuclark, see what happens. Can't hurt.

I use to get 3 or 4 days out of my phone before needing to recharge, and i have been using Garmin installed since the update come out and made it possible and battery life was ok, it only just started to to run flat within last couple of days, ive even taken phone to get updates from carphonewarehouse although it did come back with same FIREWARE
I8510XXHH7 CUSTOM I8510L08XEUHH8, plus they told be i needed new screws, tbh i think they did jack shit, could someone post the server setting so that i can try and update with the phone, my network is O2 if that helps
cheers
Mick

Well, the batteries on its last legs and battery low message has popped up....but that means its lasted 7 days'ish from one full charge. Im going to install that JB Task man programme when i get home and i'll list the processes it shows running for reference.

Screencapture is not the process that's causing the battery to drain quickly, as it is running on everyone's phones (unless manually stopped) and on mine I leave it running all the time, without any ill effect.

If you got 3 days out of the battery then that is GOOD! Remember the 8510 is a smartphone with many, many functions going on all the time. It's not the same beast as something like the Samsung U600, and can't be compared as such.

I'm also intrigued as to why everyone is blaming GarminXT so much, and indeed, how so many people have installed it on their phone. Garmin is a GPS application, therefore will make use of the GPS functions of the phone. These drain the battery, as they do on ANY phone! Why is Garmin needed anyway? Route66 (Samsung Navigator) is perfectly capable as a navigation tool, and seems to be quite sparing on the battery, considering it too is using the GPS functionality of the phone!


Most people use Garmin because is hacked and free whereas there is no hack for Route66 therefore you must buy the maps.

I personally prefer Route66. Its maps are more detailed and the navigation is just as good as Garmin.

It was found that Garmin left a runaway process even after closing the App.

Most people use Garmin because is hacked and free whereas there is no hack for Route66 therefore you must buy the maps.

I personally prefer Route66. Its maps are more detailed and the navigation is just as good as Garmin.

It was found that Garmin left a runaway process even after closing the App.
OK - I'm not going to make a big thing of this, as people will just try to needlessly flame me; but... as running hacked (and therefore most likely illegal) software is not something which is condoned on these forums, and not something which any phone manufacturer will condone, can we PLEASE get Garmin out of the equation.

All those with Garmin installed who are having issues - uninstall it and see if that helps. As Falco47 says, Garmin leaves processes running when it's been shut down - it's these sort of things which cause batteries to drain excessivly quickly. And if the copy of Garmin is illegal, Garmin themselves won't support you, and neither will anyone else to be honest.

Turned off screensaver halfway through a battery yesterday, and at least it lasted more then 24hrs. Will give it a full charge todat and see what happens.

Maybe you should try to stuclark, see what happens. Can't hurt.
I get well over a day anyway, so it's less likely I'll see the difference.

My main "routine" is to charge the phone whenever I can. I do this with all my phones as it tends to keep the batteries topped up. However, I know from experience that my 8510 can last 3 days if I can't get to charge it, and I know that my N95-1, when configured the same way, would strugle to do 2 days. (sometimes would be dead within 1 day, if traveling a lot)

To be completely honest, I have no idea why the screencapture process is in the phone's memory, as I can't find an application which references it (other than a Samsung development app. but that's not present of the production firmwares), so I don't think it should be there. Certainly killing it makes no difference to the phone's functions. However, as it's not doing anything it seems very very unlikely that it can be making such a massive difference to battery life. A fact bourne out by the amount of life I get out of my phone even with Scrensaver left running.

Well, that is me on nearly 24 hours after killing the Screencapture process and low usage today and my phone still has not even dropped one bar. Full charge showing.

Compared to what I have been getting in the last week or so that is totally amazing. I would recharge the batter every day during work and the battery would flatten overnight.

Whether the Screepcapture process can become corrupt or something else I do not know but killing that has definitely seemed to fix my battery problem.

So far so good.

PS. I did not try Garmin as I have bought the maps for, and am very happy with route 66.

right chaps - i sense we are very close to sorting the battery issue.

Can I ask everyone to name the processes that are not essential and could be terminated on start-up and help the battery? So far I believe the following should be terminated:

- screensaver
- screencapture
- garmin (only once started)?
- shozu
- advanced device locks
- smart settings.

Maybe anymore non-essential apps that run in the background or rouge processes?

Would be great to get this sort of feedback as i think we all agree that its the running processes that affect the battery.

Glad to see the Screencapture thing working for people.

rp1001, I only stopped that function from JBaktaskmanager, everything else is fairly standard. I've turned on a couple of things now to see what effect that has (3G, autopivot) but the battery is still doing well. Also used about 30 mins of sat nav earlier as well and the battery is still one bar from full, whereas before, by now, it would be down to about 3 bars or probably less with sat nav use.

Stuclarke, in theory screencapture probably shouldn't cause this, but it is without question the cause of my poor battery. I don't have Garmin installed so that doesn't even come into the equation. And I have screensaver running, just not screencapture.

Glad to see the Screencapture thing working for people.

rp1001, I only stopped that function from JBaktaskmanager, everything else is fairly standard. I've turned on a couple of things now to see what effect that has (3G, autopivot) but the battery is still doing well. Also used about 30 mins of sat nav earlier as well and the battery is still one bar from full, whereas before, by now, it would be down to about 3 bars or probably less with sat nav use.

Stuclarke, in theory screencapture probably shouldn't cause this, but it is without question the cause of my poor battery. I don't have Garmin installed so that doesn't even come into the equation. And I have screensaver running, just not screencapture.

I'd hoped removing the screencapture process would do the trick - it only made a minor difference. im down to one bar after 13 hours with low to moderate use. damn!

If you are down to 1 bar after 13 hours then you still have a problem with something on the background chewing up the battery.

Have you tried to do a master reset? And right after kill the screen capture process and see what happens.

After I uninstalled Garmin, I hard reset the phone and killed the Screen capture process... The phone has been lasting me a long time. I also re-activated the optical joystick, installed a third party theme, and turned the auto pivot back on... Still going strong.

If you are down to 1 bar after 13 hours then you still have a problem with something on the background chewing up the battery.

Have you tried to do a master reset? And right after kill the screen capture process and see what happens.

After I uninstalled Garmin, I hard reset the phone and killed the Screen capture process... The phone has been lasting me a long time. I also re-activated the optical joystick, installed a third party theme, and turned the auto pivot back on... Still going strong.

just got the dreaded "no battery" sound from the phone.....ill try what you suggest...its my final hope i guess. i've also installed a crap load of applications...probably around 30 odd, so no wonder my battery is taking a beating....but having said that, my n95 8gb had the same apps and the battery was not as bad as this..

Can't compare it to a nokia... Unfortunately....

I have my N79 and N95 8GB loaded with apps and even the Garmin installed with no problems at all...

The firmware on the Innov8 is not polished as much as the Nokia's..

The number of installed applications doesn't matter at all, it's whether those applications are running in the background and making data connections / using Wifi / using GPS / keeping the phone's backlight on that uses up battery power.

And as said by someone else - you should be able to go 13 hours without loosing even 1 bar from the battery meter, not being down to 1 bar!

Kudos to roscopervis!

Stopping the screencapture process has definitely sorted out my phone. I charged it on Wednedsay evening and it has had low usage since then with only a few calls, some texts, gaming time and also used as my alarm - snoozing maybe 3 times each day and still my battery has not lost 1 bar.

This is great, its like having a new phone again.

Thanks again. Now, anyone know how to stop that process from starting automatically if I have to reboot my phone?

hmmm something strange happened last night. I charged my phone before I went to bed, It then showed as fully charged so I unplugged it. I went to bed about 11pm, (still full) got up at 7.30 and it had lost 3 bars! wtf!

Langdale - that is pretty much what was happening with my phone. It just seemed to happen out of the blue for no reason. Killing the Screencapture app certainly fixed my problem.

Now I worry the other way, my battery is lasting so well that I worry there is an error with the battery indicator! (kidding of course, its great now).

yeah because normally it doesn't lose a single bar overnight, very strange.

right, i hard reset my phone and have only installed the essential apps - jbaktaskman and roadsync...roadsync is syncing every 15 minutes. my phone was on from 8.30am this morning - not a single bar lost. i know its only 2 to 3 hours, but i would have lost one bar by now in the phones previous state.

BTW i have set screencapture and screensaver to auto kill. so far so good.

Usil, you can set rules for processes with JB Taskman, so you can have it killed after reboot automatically =). Menu -> tools -> processes -> menu -> option 4.

Btw, I finally got the chance to give the phone a full charge last night. Battery is still on 100%, even after screwing around a bit with Quake III (which runs like shit because of it not being able to use the 'FPU'). Normally it would've been down already, so it seems like killing screencapture is working for me to. But I'll have to wait until tonight to be certain.

its now 2.45pm - phone has been on since 8.30am - one bar down, with roadsync syncing every 15 min. have installed couple of apps and fiddled around with the phone now and again. also made a call for 10 secs - does the battery status sound reasonable?

Hi
Right i have installed JB Taskman and checked processes and have 94 programs running i guess? Is there any chance someone could make a list of those that can be closed and have rules made up to kill after sent to back, cause last thing i want to do is close something i should'nt of done
cheers
Mick

I didn't look at those, just the apps in the first screen. I have 98 processes.

I have:

screensaver
Standby
menu
sysap
autolock
akncapserver
aknnfysrv
*SVKVVolumePopup*
SVKPopup

That's it.

its now 4.50, still one bar less after sending couple of sms + watching 5 min of video. so far so good!

I just lost my first bar after almost 48hrs switched on with low(ish) usuage.

If it keeps on like this and I keep my usage to roughly the same it will last me a week easy! :icon14: :)

Usil, you can set rules for processes with JB Taskman, so you can have it killed after reboot automatically =). Menu -> tools -> processes -> menu -> option 4.

Btw, I finally got the chance to give the phone a full charge last night. Battery is still on 100%, even after screwing around a bit with Quake III (which runs like shit because of it not being able to use the 'FPU'). Normally it would've been down already, so it seems like killing screencapture is working for me to. But I'll have to wait until tonight to be certain.

Done this but it still shows in the 'processes' list. Selected all 4 options.
Any ideas?

Done this but it still shows in the 'processes' list. Selected all 4 options.
Any ideas?

The first option is "autostart". Wouldn't use that. I only use "stop after startup" and "stop after cleaning memory". The last one is not really neccessary.

I switched my phone on Friday 8.30am after a night charge - its now Saturday 4.30pm and i have left it on throughout the night - i have two bars left now.

Roadsync has been auto syncing every 15 min for 8ish hours on friday and every one on saturday. usage has been low to moderate.

THIS IS A BIG IMPROVEMENT!

what i did was:

- hard reset my phone
- install the essential apps - jbaktaskman, roadsync, i8510 memory patch, bbc iplayer, xplore.
- opened jbaktaskman, auto kill screencapture and screensaver.
- switch off auto wifi, bluetooth, dual gsm, switch packet data "when needed", switch off optical mouse, switch off video sharing.

try these steps - it worked for me when everything else failed - quite clear that a rouge app(s) is causing the battery drain, but not sure which one!

how do i hard reset my phone

Got a new battery from Samsung on Friday, so charged all Friday till Saturday morning and just checked the phone and it hasn't lost a bar (though I didn't use it at all on Saturday), before it would have lost at least 3 bars sometimes 5.
Having disabled screencapture and uninstalled Garmin (gone back to Route66 as I've paid for the maps) could it be a combination of things causing the battery problems?
I thinks that Stuclark could be right in saying its not the firmware but still would be nice to have a new one.
So fingers crossed my battery looks promising but only time will tell.

Battery @ 45% after 36 hours. Better then it ever was! It seems the screencapture-thing is working! However, I also discovered video-sharing was on under the settings for connections.... So I need to rule that out as a cause before giving the final verdict.

I still have screensaver running, the touchpad is on, a third-party theme installed, auto-rotation is off, BT and wifi off, Shozu disabled, brightness on max.

Well, since killing the Screencapture process, my phone has now been on and with low-moderate usage since its charge on Wednesday night. Thats 4 days on which is pretty much a new record for my phone!

Need to charge it again tonight but that's because I was using wifi a lot over the weekend.

Happy happy joy joy :)

after following my procedures above, my battery lasted about 45 hours without switching off the phone - however, i left the muic app on in the background over night accidentally and roadsync has been running in the background constantly, syncing every 15 min on the first day and then every hour the next day....not bad i guess.

usage has been low to moderate - about 20 min of calls, send a few sms + emails, watch about 10 to 15 min video and listen to about 25 min music + 10 min or so fiddling around with settings and phone

I killed every single battery buger in phone and still 15hrs...Mid to High usage!?

i have garmin installed on my memory card, took the card out , and have only used one bar in 24 hours, few txts and fone calls in that time

I took my i8510 off charge around 9am Friday morning. Since then I've used it twice for calls, once for an alarm, and about 15 minutes for email and web access (both 3G and Edge, no wifi). Wifi detection is on.


It is now just after noon on Monday and at this time I have 4 "ticks" on the battery indicator.

So thats 3 days and 3.5hrs thus far, albeit with light usage.

Got a new battery from Samsung on Friday, so charged all Friday till Saturday morning and just checked the phone and it hasn't lost a bar (though I didn't use it at all on Saturday), before it would have lost at least 3 bars sometimes 5.
Having disabled screencapture and uninstalled Garmin (gone back to Route66 as I've paid for the maps) could it be a combination of things causing the battery problems?
I thinks that Stuclark could be right in saying its not the firmware but still would be nice to have a new one.
So fingers crossed my battery looks promising but only time will tell.

Nearly 60 hours now and still only 1 bar gone, used it for an hour of music earlier and about 10 minutes on the phone.

starting to install some of my apps now having achieved a decent battery life.

I've been installing a few at a time to identify which app is running in the background eating the battery up....i noticed today that battery is now running out quicker....i think handy clock may be causing some problems as it runs in the background.

in fact theres a little trick to find out what apps are running in the background (jbaktaskman is good, but the names of the processes can be ambiguous at times and i cant link them to the acutal apps).......simply install the app, run it then close it....now uninstall it...if you get a message saying "cant uninstall...need to close app" or a similar message, you know there is a process associated with that app running in the background....this happened to me with handy clock, which makes sense as it has the alarm function, which needs to be on all the time to work.

ANY process which runs in the background will consume some battery life, merely by the fact that the phone has to spend CPU time powering that application.

The more applications running at any one time and the more intensive those applications are on the CPU will obviously decrease battery life.

As will anything which constantly uses WiFi, GPS, 3G, GPRS, HSDPA etc. as stated before.


The reason people haven't been able to work out what's going on with their phones is because, as stated before, you need to do a controlled side-by-side comparison of phones setup IDENTICALLY to work out what may be eating battery power.

For example, I leave the screencapture process running all the time and I don't have ANY battery issues. So I doubt it's going to be vastly different on my phone to anyone elses - what's more likely is that there's something else which is different...

My phone's been running for well over three days now. What a differnce with before, when I struggled to manage a day, sometimes not even making it through the day after an overnight charge.

All I changed is killing screencapture and turning off video sharing. After a full charge tonight I'll re-enable either one of the two, see what's draining my battery.

Maybe, Stuclark, not all phone's are identical. In fact, they aren't, as they have different firmware versions. So you might be a bit quick to state that the screencapture-process is not the cause. Especially when other people do suspect that process to be the cause.

Do you know what the "custom version" means? What it adds over the firmware proper?

Just thought I'd throw in my tuppence worth. First few weeks I had the phone the battery was great, normally charged every night anyway but on the odd occasion I didn't make it home the battery lasted well into the second day (could maybe even have made it into a 3rd but I never was brave enough to try). I must use my phones a fair bit because of the 5 n95's I had none of them managed this.

My trouble started when I installed Garmin. Even without it actually running my battery would barely last a day. Have now uninstalled it and everything seems fine. I've only lost 2 bars from the battery and I've used wifi and the camera and other features during the day. I have not changed or killed any other process except unistall Garmin.

As a side note, asked in CPW Glasgow) today if they had any issues wth people claiming about dust under the screen and they said I was the first.......

I've removed Garmin and killed the Screencapture process aswell - Before i could finish a charge at 1 am, and it would be down 3 bars by the time i got up for work around 7 am.

As i write this, im still at full bars after about 18 hours.

Thanks for the help.

Mickey

3 days since i charged my phone and took out memory card with garmin on it, only used 3 bars on battery , only txtn and fone calls tho

Maybe, Stuclark, not all phone's are identical. In fact, they aren't, as they have different firmware versions. So you might be a bit quick to state that the screencapture-process is not the cause. Especially when other people do suspect that process to be the cause.

Do you know what the "custom version" means? What it adds over the firmware proper?
You're dead right, and as you'll see from all my previous posts; I've been trying to advocate that we need to test LIKE FOR LIKE; we need to test in known conditions, with known installed applications, known configurations, and yes, known firmware versions.

Saying "battery life is crap" without providing any qualifying information to allow others to test identical setups is what's caused most of the arguments in this thread.

The "custom version" is used to diferentiate things like operator specific builds. For example Vodafone or T-Mobile might want a custom boot logo. However, as (all) 8510s are currently SIM free, the "custom version" shouldn't be anymore customised than languages and pre-installed applications. So *should* be mostly the same.

Of course as posted above, for accurate testing, they need to be IDENTICAL.

p.s. I notice you've now turned off video sharing. No one has mentioned this being turned ON before, so that's another inconcistency...

Well, my battery was finally empty, after 85 hours. So that's absolutely great! I charged it overnight and turned screencapture back on, to test whether or not that did the trick.

Will be interesting to see the results!

Well, my battery was finally empty, after 85 hours. So that's absolutely great! I charged it overnight and turned screencapture back on, to test whether or not that did the trick.
85 hours? That's great. I doubt (with my usage model) that I'd get much past 60 hours. Not that I'm complaining, that's still 2 days more than my N95 can manage.

If my theory is correct (and if you're using a XXHH7 firmware) then I don't think you'll see any significant difference with screencapture turned back on.

I have Firmware XXHH7 and killing the Screencapture process made a massive difference to my battery. It only lasted about 18 hours with virtually no usage. Killed the process and my battery lasted about 80 hours with low/medium use.

where do i find which firmware i have, its ok . i found it, its xxhh7

30 hours gone by since i recharged my phone with 3½ hours of music playback, around 30 minutes of talking and some texting - Still 3 bars left. Best battery life i've ever had on a cell phone with this many features.

My N95 was horrible back in the day - N95 8gb was abit better giving me a day's worth of battery (with ~2 hours of music playback) - My N82 gave me around a day and a half including a couple of hours music playback.

Whether it was the removal of garmin, or the removal of the screencapture app i dont know, but then again, i dont know what the hell the screencapture app does, so i couldnt care less :)

Thanks guys, for all your hard work. Best phone i've owned to date.

Update: down to 2 bars after 31 hours, 4½ hours music playback and 30 minutes of talking. R0x!

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Well, with screencapture turned ON the phone lasted me some 80 hours again.... I'll try turning back on video sharing, see if that drains the battery then.

i emailed samsung to ask for replacement battery and this is their reply -
With regards to your email, before looking at a replacement battery i
would advise you to attempt a recondition of your battery. To do this
you need to run the battery out until the phone turns off,and turn the
phone on until you are unable to do so anymore. Once this is done,then
you need to charge the phone whilst off for a full 14 hours un
disturbed. You should see improvement in the life of the battery,
however if not then please call or email us with a view to organising a
replacement battery or repair of the hanset.

i emailed samsung to ask for replacement battery and this is their reply -
With regards to your email, before looking at a replacement battery i
would advise you to attempt a recondition of your battery. To do this
you need to run the battery out until the phone turns off,and turn the
phone on until you are unable to do so anymore. Once this is done,then
you need to charge the phone whilst off for a full 14 hours un
disturbed. You should see improvement in the life of the battery,
however if not then please call or email us with a view to organising a
replacement battery or repair of the hanset.

Wow, that was like... going back to the early day of mobile phones' batteries.
I remember when I got my NK 3350, this was what the seller told me to do. lol

Still, I think it is unlikely that this method will work on the i8510.

right i unstalled Garmin, killed screen capture, and fully charged phone and saw improvements straight away, done this now for the last two weeks, with very little use of the phone and seen battery life last 3 to 5 days before needing a recharge, re installed Garmin and not even used it yet and got up to a flat battery (2 bars) so now Garmin removed i will see how things go now its 4.50pm battery @ 100% lets see how long before 100% flat :S

My battery life is really <REMOVED>. After i gave the phone a hard reset and turned everything off the battery lasts about 13/14 hrs. Oh i have HH9 as firmware.

how do i give my phone a hard reset

how do i give my phone a hard reset

Throw it out of the window, preferably onto concrete

Throw it out of the window, preferably onto concrete

tried that

i emailed samsung to ask for replacement battery and this is their reply -
With regards to your email, before looking at a replacement battery i
would advise you to attempt a recondition of your battery. To do this
you need to run the battery out until the phone turns off,and turn the
phone on until you are unable to do so anymore. Once this is done,then
you need to charge the phone whilst off for a full 14 hours un
disturbed. You should see improvement in the life of the battery,
however if not then please call or email us with a view to organising a
replacement battery or repair of the hanset.

I Hard Reseted the phone did what you said and it really works... How_ Dont know and dont know if there is something with the hard reset or the 0-100% 14hrs!!!

I Hard Reseted the phone did what you said and it really works... How_ Dont know and dont know if there is something with the hard reset or the 0-100% 14hrs!!!

how do i do a hard reset

*#7370#

My battery life is really <REMOVED>. After i gave the phone a hard reset and turned everything off the battery lasts about 13/14 hrs. Oh i have HH9 as firmware.

For some reason and i don't know why, my battery is up since saturday. I haven't changed anything...

sigh

I think the latest firmware really helps this phone, as I have hammered my phone all day with wifi, bluetooth, music and calls. Much improved since the update.