Ok, This worked for me and now my ttm5 hasnt crashed once on my N70! Previously i had a BT77 Receiver and had nothing but problems, but I have fixed this problem with the following chain of events............

First of all, I bought myself a Tom Tom Bluetooth GPS Mk2, This also crashed/dropped bluetooth connection at first, So the bt77 might have worked.

Second and MOST IMPORTANT (this stops the crashing/connectiopn dropping) let TomTom pair the device to the phone itself, After using TomTom go into your phones "CONNECTIONS" folder then "BLUETOOTH" You need to make sure that the GPS Device is NOT PAIRED and if it is, DELETE IT! Everytime you exit tomtom. When you restart TomTom you will be asked for your pairing code and to accept connections, annoying, but at least it works! :)

Hi, sounds like you got a fix, I have also been using Bt-77 and drops off every 5-10 mins. I was coming to same conclusion that TT GPS would be possible solution. Thanks for your advice and I shall try this as would prefer to keep with TT5 than switch to R66, which was my next option....thanks for your advice :)

Hi, sounds like you got a fix, I have also been using Bt-77 and drops off every 5-10 mins. I was coming to same conclusion that TT GPS would be possible solution. Thanks for your advice and I shall try this as would prefer to keep with TT5 than switch to R66, which was my next option....thanks for your advice :)

Have you tried the method he posted above with your BT-77 and if so what was the result?

Hi, yes I did but same problem arises when trying this with BT-77, after a while freezes and required full restart on phone! Very annoying as when it works it works perfectly, just short term!! I am still hoping there will be a more permanent and less fiddly fix from Nokia or TT. Regards.

Hmmmm. Ignore my first message. It stops the crashing/freezing, but not the bluetooth connection dropping, TT5 is totally un-usable after connection has droppped forcing a full restart anyway! I GIVE UP! Think i might try Route 66 instead!

What a shame, although was not an ideal fix, would at least be tolerable....I am switching to R66 now, until Nokia or TT come up with support or a patch/ crack to sort this annoying problem out!! Good luck.!

i think i have fixed it!!

Turn the phone in to off line mode before starting tomtom and it seems fine been using it like this for a couple of weeks whilst i was in australia and its worked fine every time i have used it! again a pain in the ass but some times navigation is better than phone calls:icon14:

I have the Nokia N70 with Tomtom mobile 5 original software and mkII gps unit. I had problems with the bluetooth signal out when I let the phone find the gps unit.

Having read various forums I found that when I deleted the pairing for the tomtom unit from the phone and just let the unit find the phone everything works fine.

It did start playing up again at one point so I checked the pairings list on the phone and low and behold there it was, after deleting it all was well again.

Hope this helps
Alan

So is it worth buying then? I want something that works. Does TTM5 have a 7 digit postcode search function?

Cheers

Yes tomtom does accept seven digit postcodes, now I have solved the connection problem I think it is well worth the £200 pound I paid.

There was a short time when I thought differently and was glad I hadn't sold my Navman 610. Tomtom wins hands down with the postcode option.:icon14:

Hmmmm. Ignore my first message. It stops the crashing/freezing, but not the bluetooth connection dropping, TT5 is totally un-usable after connection has droppped forcing a full restart anyway! I GIVE UP! Think i might try Route 66 instead!

Hi swat47,

I was close to giving up also, but give it one last try as described below...

Before each journey...
1. Reboot the phone
2. Delete ALL BT pairings
3. Activate the OFFLINE profile on the phone
4. Launch TomTom
5. Enter the pin 0000 for the OFFICIAL TomTom receiver.

I have just completed a 90 minute journey and the phone didn't crash, and the BT connection was not lost even once.

Hope this helps!

Dez :rolleyes:

Havnt tried offline mode, tried everything else tho! Thanks for the suggestion. I'll let u know how it goes! Got a 200mile drive in 2 weeks! NOISE AND CONFUSION, CARDIFF!!!!!!

Talk soon!

So has anyone got this to work with a 3rd party GPS unit using the offline method? I'm looking to purchase a GPS unit but i'd rather go with the Holux 236 (as it has WAAS and holds a signal better) than the TomTom receiver.

Ok, as no one has replied i'll phrase the question another way. Has anyone using a 3rd party GPS receiver tried the offline method and what was the result?

If anyone has an opinion of which GPS receiver to get that would also be appreciated. I'd also be interested in what the accuracy is like on the official TomTom GPS receiver?

Cheers.

Ive heard Rikaline are good! Not sure with N70 though. My tom tom gps mkII is just as accurate as any other device, I would say it connects far faster and has a much stronger signal than my old BT77.

Ive heard Rikaline are good! Not sure with N70 though. My tom tom gps mkII is just as accurate as any other device, I would say it connects far faster and has a much stronger signal than my old BT77.

Well the reviews seem to show it as the worse (in terms of accuracy) SiRFstarIII based receiver http://ck37.image.pbase.com/image/50003648/original.jpg As you can see in that pic it's providing half the points the others do. I'm just not keen on paying a premium just for the name. Especially when it doesn't have WAAS. Maybe though in real life it doesn't make that much of a difference?

Well I seem to be fine ok without any patches....

I just:
Reboot my phone
Turn on the TT GPS receiver
Activate TomTom on the phone
It asks for the code - 0000
It asks if it's ok to pair - I say yes!

And away I go...

No need for undoing any pairings after either.....

I brought my Nokia N70 from phones4u two weeks ago and have been battling with the same tomtom/gps problems everyone else has been having.

The good thing that was going to work for me was that P4U had told me that tomtom was compatiable with the N70. Even though we all know it works the official line is that it is NOT YET compatiable and with this I went back to P4U and said that they had miss sold the phone to me and I wanted to know what they was going to do about it?

After explaining all the problems including the gps/bluetooth connection issues he told me that he was going to task someone to investigate. I got a call from another member of his staff telling me that they were going to be calling Nokia and TomTom direct and find out what was going on.

After an hour I received a call back from P4U and she told what Nokia had told her which was......

TomTom Mobile 5 WILL WORK on the Nokia N70 (Already known but why not official) and that the gps/bluetooth problem is down to pairing

ALL pairing in the phone whether it be to a PC, Headset ect MUST be deleted and NO pairing to be in the paring sub-folder. Once all has been deleted, and once activated, TomTom will connect itself to your gps receiver and work as it's supposed to :icon14:

Just remember to configure your receiver in the 'Change Preferences' section. Dont be alarmed if it's still not connecting, just try to plot a route......when I did this the gps receiver started to work and my poistion was found.

Play around with this to get it to work.


Well done to everyone who found this out along time ago.....you did all the leg work for Nokia who probably read this forum for the problems that they have yet to discover :)

Very nice, but I already have got this to work without having to delete my other paired devices! This is what I did;

When you shall disconnect the bt-gps and tomtom, you must first shutdown the gps. Then when the tomtom software reports "no gps unit" - you can shutdown tomtom software.

When I do the above there is no problems with connecting the receiver again.

Others with success on trying this?

On the strength of Frosty's comments I am buying it for Christmas. I've waited to see whether TOM TOM would come up with a patch or something and I dont like any alternatives - TT really is the best.

I called TT and they said they were aware of the problem and wouldnt advise me to buy it, but hey it really does seem to be this curable problem - so I think they are being over cautious. It seems from this forum that the ones having major problems are mostly using third party software and different GPS units. I guess thats the downfall of buying something cheap off ebay!

I hope im not dissapointed as I'm shelling out nearly £200. I guess if I go to a store online that says its compatible then i have some comeback if it goes wrong??!! I have already seen 2 stores that say it is and I'll pay a bit more for that guarantee!

OK - now where can I get it online the cheapest in time for xmas?!!

Just purchased TT5 from Orange shop. I asked if it was compatible and they said 'yes' after checking!

I will give it a go and report my findings...

If they were wrong and it doesnt work then I'll be taking it straight back.

Stay tuned
:redface:

Tried TT on my N70 Online, Offline, All the stuff i said at the start of this thread! tried switching my receiver off while TT is still on, STILL CRASHES!!!! its p*****g me right off!!!!!!!!!!

I had an idea that maybe when network operators flash the phone with their crap, that maybe this is what messes tom tom up. I am on 3 (Three Mobile). Has anyone else bought an N70 from 3 in the last 4 weeks and tried tom tom on it??? It seems that most people who have tom tom working are on orange. WE WILL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS! I WILL MAKE IT MY MISSION! Keep me updated!

Expect another post soon!

swat47

Tried TT on my N70 Online, Offline, All the stuff i said at the start of this thread! tried switching my receiver off while TT is still on, STILL CRASHES!!!! its p*****g me right off!!!!!!!!!!
swat47

Try launching TomTom on your N70 whilst stationary (i.e. in your house with the GPS receiver on a window ledge) and I think you will find the GPS signal will stay active for hours, until the battery goes flat).

My experience is TomTom only crashes or loses the GPS signal whilst the car/etc is in motion.

I think both Nokia and TomTom will have to produce a firmware upgrade & TT patch to make the product fully compatible with the N70 - and fingers crossed it's real soon!

Hello

News firmware 3.0546.2.3 is released.

Does it works with BT GPS & TOMTOM5 ?

Also I wanna know if we can use in the same time and without problems a bluetooth kit car (CK7W) and tomtom bt gps ?

Thanks :D

Hi,

I've updated my firmware for the N70 to Version 3.0546.2.3 today.
Unfortuanely it hasn't resolved TomTom losing a Bluetooth GPS connection.

It has however made the setup a bit more "Stable" i.e If it loses the connection the whole phone does not lock up and I do not have to disable / re-enable bluetooth in order for me to try again.

It doesn't still seem to like a paired BT connection that TomTom hasn't setup itself, So I need to delete any bluetooth pairings. When TT is launched, it either starts communication with the BT device and then locks up later on, or if it asks to be paired it works just FINE ! Problem is that I can not always get it to ask for the pairing (???).

Fed up & P*ssed off. I would really love to see N70 & TT Mobile be friends.

One good thing is that I got my phone flashed with a Standard non orange firmware, So at last a don't have to put up with the Crap today screen of Oranges :-)

Anyone got any ideas ?

N70 - Emtac BT receiver - TT5

In using the method you describe, it works fine if TT5 asks for the pairing, and then I pair it, but if it does not request pairing and starts working without it, it will crash later on.

I still haven't figured out why TT5 asks for the pairing at times and at other times it doesn't. Obviously I make sure that I delete any pairing before I start this procedure.

Any ideas ?

I make sure that I delete any pairing before I start this procedure.

Any ideas ?

Hi Ash,

Many thanks for the handy tip! I will make the pairing delete part of my process from now on.

Cheers,
Dez

V3.0546.2.3 18-11-05 RM-84

just got the n70 and tomtom just wont work , as soon as it finds and requests the code for bluetooth then it crashes phone has to be rebooted !

app version is 4.400 (285) GPS driver V1.2

Help !

I suggest you contact the guys at TomTom Support. If theres enough of us nagging them, they might start giving out some proper answers.

Greetz (first post!)

Am I correct in thinking any outstanding issues with TomTom 5 and the N70 are now resolved... lookie here http://www.tomtom.com/support/compatibility.php?ID=69

Wow, you're right!!! But where's the update? 5.21 still have some issues with n70!!!

Thats just TomTom trying to shut us lot up!!!

Haven't done the update personally, but from what I've read on here... it's not actually worth doing as it's not resolving anything!!!

Anyone who has updated to 5.20 that has got the bluetoothdriver 1.21 installed? Look at the green picture on this link; http://www.tomtom.com/support/index.php?Language=1&FID=3571

On my phone it says ver. 5.20 with gps driver 1.20. Not 1.21 as mentioned in the picture.. Anyone who has solved this?

I guess that on TomToms site there must be a GPS driver update then... but I couldmn't find it???

Anyone got a magnifying glass we can search with??

Well, I've JUST ordered this original/official TomTo GPS receiver, so it'll be interesting to see what that coupled with the latest v5.20 software and v2.0537.1.7 Nokia firmware will achieve ey?

If still no joy, it may be worth upgrading my firmware and then if still no joy... only then can we bombared TomTom with BAH! and rants! for quoting such blasphemous ccompatibility claims. :D

Cross your fingers! :frown:

I'm gobsmacked - It says that TT5 is compatible with the N70, but alot of people are having problems & previously TT have informed me that the N70 is not currently compatible.

I can't figure out why they can have a change of heart without a Fix being released.

The Mystery deepens ...................

I'm gobsmacked - It says that TT5 is compatible with the N70, but alot of people are having problems & previously TT have informed me that the N70 is not currently compatible.

I can't figure out why they can have a change of heart without a Fix being released.

The Mystery deepens ...................

As I said Ash, no mystery... one day we're not compatible, the next we are.... and yet it still doesn't work!! Even with the suposed 5.2 Patch!!
Come on think about it all... they get us lot moaning, release a patch telling it does "something" that it clearly doesn't and then hey presto, we're on there compatibility list...
Next they'll be telling us all we're doing something wrong!!

I think Kevs355 needs to keep up with the thread too... we've tried patches, firmware upgrades, official GPS reveivers.... and still no-one is having luck....
As for bombarding TT with our comments... do you think we've been sleeping???

Unfortuanetly only time will tell.

Hi to everyone, this is my first post,

I have been following this thread with interest as I am wanting to buy tomtom for my N70. i phoned them this morning to ask why the change of heart on the compatibility issue. All the chap would say is that if it says its compatable on the site then it is!!

No help what so ever,

Any one else got any more info???

I rest my case!
Useless to the last!

Big thanks to TomTom.... what would they do if all the N70 owners said stuff you and went elsewhere...... cos I'm seriously going that way....

Got a answer from TomTom today.

Previuosly they stated there was an issue, now they've responded with :

"If you look at the comparability list you will see that the N70 has been added.
"
I've emailed em back for some further information.

The words, wtf, pop to mind !

Incredible!! How can a company be so ignorent? They must have experienced some issues while testing, or perhaps they haven't tested enough.

Very disappointing to read tomtom answers. Hope people don't buy tomtom with n70 until things are solved...

Anyone else have the 1.21 bluetooth firmware... what kind of difference does this really make???

Has anyone been able to install the TT Mobile 5.20 update, and then the Bluetooth version shows as 1.21 ? If so, are you still experiencing problems and is it a original or ebay version of TomTom ?

Thanks

Well I have TomTom 5.20 and a brand new N70, tried everything but the gps continues to disconnect every 5 mn or so.

If I switch off bluetooth and then on again, usually Tomtom works again for another 10 mn ....

And by the way, I just bought a new bluetooth headset nokia HS-26W, very nice but it does not work at all with N70

Works very well with the Ibook but impossible to get it to work with the Nokia. Correctly paired though but when I try to activate it, it seems that the N70 keeps a bluetooth connection active while there is no real connection.

According to me all these bluetooth problems with tomtom may well come from a huge bluetooth 2.0 bug in the N70 software !!!!!!

I also suspect this is as much a Nokia Bluetooth problem as it is a Tomtom issue.

My Bluetooth headset (Motorola HS-810) also randomly experiences problems connecting to the N70. I had considered getting a Nokia headset in the hope it would solve the problem but from your comments it doesn't sound like a wise move.

Perhaps Nokia need to be lobbied for new firmware.

Lets try again :

Has anyone been able to install the TT Mobile 5.20 update, and then the Bluetooth version shows as 1.21 ? If so, are you still experiencing problems and is it a original or ebay version of TomTom ?

Thanks

Guys, I know this has been briefly touched on it the past but I have only just recently finally received my GPS unit and more than several trips later it's failed to let me down :D ... the secret?

Switch your phone to 'offline' mode, it works for me EVERYTIME! Admittedly yes, it's a pain as you can't take your calls, yes it's a pain that you have to buy the most expensive receiver but it works for me first time everytime. So's you too can maybe recreate this level off sucess i've taken the liberty of listing my set-up below

My set-up...
Nokia N70 (firmware v2.0537.1.7) on T-Mobile
Original TomTom GPS receiver as seen here http://www.pdamods.com/proddetail.asp?prod=TTBTGPSS3MOB&cat=25
TomTom mobile 5.20 'evaluation' *coughs* version

Hope some of this helps? feel free to ask away...

I must admit, after I firmware updated mine I haven't tried the offline method.

Do you do anything special with the BT pairing i.e. Delete the pairings ?

Also, can you please confirm if your TT shows Bluetooth device driver as 1.21 or is it 1.20 ?

Thanks

GPS driver 1.20 and it's now also working in 'general' mode a treat too... hmmmm, weird innit? it seems to work for some but not for the majority. Could it be the phone firmware?

Did you get the message I sent you ?

Kev you there ?

Has anyone tried using the V6.05 map and see if that helps with the crashing problem? On my 6630 the v6.05 map seems to be smoother though that could just be in my mind.

I am new to this thread but experiencing all the same problems. Have tried all the tips above to no avail.

Has anyone tried TT with the new firmware upgrade for the N70?

I have been following this TomTom & N70 issue and have been carrying out my own tests, which I will go into detail on now to try and draw up some conclusion as to who the fault really lies with..

I will start by listing my firmware and driver versions etc:

My N70 is unbranded – Firmware V.20.0536.0.2

12-09-05

RM84

Bluetooth Receiver – BT77

TomTom APP Version - 5.2 (Also tested with 5.0)

GPS Driver - 1.20


I have experienced all the same problems as everyone else, frequent connection lose between 5-10 minutes which requires a reboot of the phone before connection is established again!

I have tried all previous suggestions such as offline mode, delete pairings from the bluetooth list etc but none of those have fixed the problem.

Here is what I have found:

Connection is maintained if you are not actually travelling in the car. I tested this by leaving my receiver on the window ledge over night. When I woke up next day it was still connected.

However, if you plan a route (I did my 36 mile commute to work) and set it running as “Show Route Demo”, it crashes whilst running the demo, the connection is lost but then the demo continues. This happened time and time again with varying lengths of time, sometimes 10 minutes others 2 minutes!

So next test was to see if the demo would run crash free when the bluetooth receiver was not switched on. Again I set this up over night with the demo repeating. Woke up next day and the demo was still going, crash free.

At this stage I was now thinking that there is a definite fault with the N70 bluetooth, and set out to try and get my phone updated with the latest firmware from Nokia – V3.0546.2.3

Unfortunately I have been unable to get this done anywhere local to me over the past few days as the engineer from the carphone warehouse service centre is away until after Christmas.

So in the meantime I have been trying various other tests, and one which I think (repeat think) has been successful is if you turn off the map display. It is on page 1 of the preferences menu. So far I have not lost a connection this way whilst the phone has been running the demo. I will confirm this by leaving the receiver on my window ledge over night and setting the demo running.. If when I wake up tomorrow morning the connection is still established and the demo still running, then I think this is the solution. I know it’s nice to have the colourful map display but for now, as a temporary solution lets hope it works so you can still actually navigate!

I’m still none the wiser of who is at fault, but one thing I noticed while looking through the TTMOBILE.APP code from my old version 5.0 was this:

W h e n u s i n g t h e p h o n e , t h e m e m o r y c a n b e c o m e f r a g m e n t e d ( t h e a m o u n t o f f r e e m e m o r y d e c r e a s e s ) . T o s o l v e t h i s , t r y r e b o o t i n g y o u r p h o n e .

It is almost as though the N70 is allocating all its memory to the map display as it re-draws it when your moving? I would appreciate it if people having the same trouble could try out my suggestion and report back.

I could be totally wrong, but hopefully this will be sorted soon.. I miss my 6680 :frown: lol

Well, after 3-4 weeks of searching, looking, asking, scratching ...... Mines working.

At the culprit is ............... POIs (Custom ones that I'd added)

When I first installed the software, I also install a shed load of POIs. After trying everything in the book I accidentally deleted my POIs and then everything started working.

I'm not sure if this will help other people, but it certainly helped me.

btw, I'm on Firmware 3.0546.2.3 using an Emtac BT GPS, TT Mobile 5.20

Ash_99 :icon14:


I dont want to speak to soon, but i think you may have cracked it :D

Im 2 hours in to testing and im still going strong! :)

I deleted all my own added POI's, and come to think about it, it used to crash alot when i was near an IKEA store (i had POI's for ikea). This would also explain why the connection wouldnt drop when you were stationary or when you had map display turned off..

Everyone having problems should try this and report back!

Fingers crossed!

My N70 is unbranded – Firmware V.20.0536.0.2

12-09-05

RM84

Bluetooth Receiver – BT77

TomTom APP Version - 5.2

GPS Driver - 1.20

As POI's seem to be the problem has anyone tried the v605 map with the POI's enabled? Someone on another forum reported the problem solved after switching to that map.

Hi,

I have also tested the Nokia N70 extensively over the past few weeks and also sent many emails to tomtom and nokia. They have been totally useless, they just dont seem to want to accept there is a problem!

I agree I have had success with both the map display turned off and also by disabling all POI's however I am not at all happy with this soultion as I REALLY find the speed camera database POI essential I can live without the others. Mine does still crash in the map display with the camera POI active.

Surely there is somebody out there with more intelligence than the goons that obviously work for tomtom that is able to find a solution to this problem. It really does see that we have to do this work ourselfs as I dont believe tomtom or Nokia is going to have a resolution for this issue anytime in the near future.


Please please keep working on this issue and maybe eventually someone will be able to come up with a solution.

Sounds like someones finally getting there with the potential pitfall in the N70/TomTom issue. Although as previously mentioned by the last post, the speedcamera database is a must.....
Well done.

Can you confirm, do I need to delete or disable the "own" POI's to do the test...
Tx

I've not yet tested tomtom without POI's but I can confirm that a 4 hour journey without map mode worked just fine and even with "General" profile active.

I did think that outside of map mode the camera database was not working but it was just chance as about 2 and a half hours in up popped a camera alert.

I agree that the cameras are a must have so I think I will opt to go without the full map mode for the time being.

I can't imagine it will be too long before an aupdate comes along.

Hi,

I contacted TomTom Support and after a few days researching my questions, they made the following official response:-


Response 22/12/2005 01.53 PM
Dear Mr Scott,

If ordering the Mobile software it will come with the 5.20 software installed so you should have no problem installing it. Please make sure that you N70 has the latest firmware installed as it is required.

We have tested a N70 here with the MK-II GPS and we have had no connection problems with it.

With best regards,

The TomTom Customer Support Team



In other words TomTom.COM state you need the latest N70 firmware and TT5.20 to be fully supported. When you have this combination of hardware, they claim they cannot reproduce any faults.

I am willing to bet that TomTom's testing comprised of an engineer sitting at his desk with a GPS receiver sitting on the window, with TT5.20 running all day STATIONARY.

Several people, including myself have noted in the past (when I owned a GPS receiver) that if you don't move, then TT doesn't lose GPS signal or crash!


Dez

Hi,

I can confirm that TomTom does seem to run longer either by turning the map display off, and/or by disabling poi. I've also noted tomtom seems to run longer using the standard voice. I suspect some kind of memory problem with the n70 is causing this. The disabling of POI and maps just means it can last longer before a crash. Possibly a memory leak of some sort.

However I still have POI installed on the phone and warnings for speed cameras on. I still experience Tomtom loosing GPS and crashing after about 30mins to 1.5 hours. I have a BT 77 FYI.

I will probably try and remove the POI from the phone completely and disable the warnings to see if that works. If it does then I'll be fairly happy knowing that i'll get to my destination without it crashing at a crucial moment.

I'm sure a new patch won't be long, and I'm almost convinced to get a tomtom GPS unit to see if that helps. Couple this with the latest firmware when I can be bothered to go to a Nokia Service centre and hopefully it'll be sorted.

Do other people still experience the crashing and problems with POI on with an official tomtom GPS device?

Richard

Just phoned a nokia service centre but they say it'll take 2 hours to flash my n70. to me 2 hours seems too long, does it really take 2 hours or are they tell porkies as they can't be bothered to do it?

thanks

Richard

As POI's seem to be the problem has anyone tried the v605 map with the POI's enabled? Someone on another forum reported the problem solved after switching to that map.


Tried the V605 Map earlier on today with POI speed cameras enabled and guess what..... IT CRASHED :mad:


:icon13:

Tried deleting the POI that I added and all worked very well with the map mode on and the in-built POI activated.

May be that it has to do with POI sound warnings, I'll test tomorrow

Just phoned a nokia service centre but they say it'll take 2 hours to flash my n70. to me 2 hours seems too long, does it really take 2 hours or are they tell porkies as they can't be bothered to do it?


I dont think it takes 2 hours mate, i read some guys post that he had his upgraded while he waited. Think it was at a place called "The Word". Have a look on here as im sure thats where i seen it..



May be that it has to do with POI sound warnings, I'll test tomorrow

I will also test this and report back :icon4:


I have been searching for any clues as to why the custom POI's would cause crashing, and i read alot of posts regarding the same problem with TT Navigator. A patch was released for this apparently (for TT Navigator).

I also came across this paragraph on a web site reviewing TomTom nav:

"You can also create your own graphic. The restrictions are that it must be 256 colour 8 bit .bmp format file. If it is not then it can cause TomTom Navigator to crash."

So i checked all mine and they are all 8 bit or below, however i am unsure how you check whether they are 256 color or not?

Anyone know how you check that?



I wonder why the n70 cant handle this simple task, yet the 6680 would run reliably and flawlessly for hours!

One thing i am also going to try tomorrow is to format my mmc card in the n70. I wonder if doing this will re arrange the memory so that it doesn't crash? Just thought of this now as i had to format the mmc card in the 6680 first for it to create the "System folder etc. I have simply just swapped it over so far and not formatted it with the n70 Format feature.. Just a thought..

I have been moaning to tomtom so much they closed my account all i was doing was asking why i should have to buy full new software as even though i bought tomtom version 4 in the last 6 months just before 5 came out i missed the upgrade as i felt as it worked on my 7610 i did not need to yet at that time ...BUT to my horror i signed on with orange for another year and got my n70 and fell into this trap we are in.....Tom tom say i need to buy full package again version 5.20 and why should i ? i dont want another genuine gps do i ? and even then its not said to be working with POI's enabled for speed cameras. so might as well not have it at all.
Now for my question... who has tested in full POI's and latest firmware for nokian70 like the smart a*s TOMTOM claim to all work?
And has anyone tried formating their memery cards prior to adding software?

Or is there any better speed camera database than pocket gps site gives us thats suited for mobile phones?

I have even tried some dodgy downloaded version of the net it works the same as you lot with these problems,
i have used my map key for the great britain and when i try and update it to 5.20 it says wrong activation even when i got it from TTcode .com.
so back to square one.

Oh i wish i never gave my 7610 away what a muppet !

Just do a few google searches mate, there are plenty of patched v5.20 updates around!!! You especially shouldn't feel guilty for doing so either, you paid for it so you should have officially gotten the upgrade for free!

Anyway, since my previous posting I can confirm by using the 'offline' mode alone still results in a crash from time to time. So, I too will try this PointOfInterest deletion theory and see what results are achieved :D

Let you guys know soon as...

Now, don't get me wrong I love TomTom like everyone else seems to hear but it's gotta be said, how loyal are we all!?! putting up with all these issues, grrrrrrrrr :mad: we should teach them a lesson on move to Route66 which I've heard is the mutts nuts.

"You can also create your own graphic. The restrictions are that it must be 256 colour 8 bit .bmp format file. If it is not then it can cause TomTom Navigator to crash."

So i checked all mine and they are all 8 bit or below, however i am unsure how you check whether they are 256 color or not?

Anyone know how you check that?
..

I always thought 8 bit and 256 colours were the same thing? BICBW!



One thing i am also going to try tomorrow is to format my mmc card in the n70. I wonder if doing this will re arrange the memory so that it doesn't crash? Just thought of this now as i had to format the mmc card in the 6680 first for it to create the "System folder etc. I have simply just swapped it over so far and not formatted it with the n70 Format feature.. Just a thought..

I tried this about a month ago (But with olf N70 Firmware) and it made no difference. Worth a try though if you have the new FW installed.

Cheers,
Dez

I tried today with POI removed and with POI masked but alerts active. It seems that it works a little bit longer.

What is strange however is that I begin to notice that Tomtom crashes always at the same points/roads.

I was able to reproduce this behavior a few times. It would work ok for half an hour and when I go to a special cross road it crashed, then I can make it work for 5mn go to this special crossroad and it crashes on command !!!!!!

My firmware is 2.0539.1.2 with Tomtom 5.20

Can any of you reproduce this behavior ?

I don’t want to talk too soon, but I seem to have my TomTom running VERY stable now..

I will give a run down of what I have done:


My N70 Is unbranded running V2.0536.0.2, 12-09-05, RM84

TomTom APP 5.2, GPS V1.20, Map V562

BT77 Receiver

First of all, I created a folder on the computer and made a copy of my entire MMC card. Make sure you select “Show Hidden Folders” as the System folder is hidden by default.

Once I had done this, I put my MMC card back in the phone and formatted it using the Format function in the N70 software. Doing this wipes all the data on the card, and creates a new system folder (and various other folders) needed for when you install applications etc.

After I had done that, I put the MMC card back into my computer and from the back up copy I made earlier I copied just the files needed to run TomTom (No Speed camera POI’s yet!).

I then put the card back into my phone, opened up TomTom and did the “Restore Factory Settings” found on page 5 of the preferences menu. This restores all the default settings, so I then took the time to set it up again how I used to have it (my personal preferences).

I then put my MMC card back into the computer and copied over my speed camera POI’s. I noticed one of these is labelled “continental”, meaning mainland Europe, and since I’m unlikely to need this I deleted it. I also copied over just the essential POI’s
which I use for work such as B&Q and Maplin (about 7 in total), and I also added my Post Code file. And finally I added my music folder with my MP3’s in.

So now with everything back on the card which I need, I put it back into my N70. First thing I did then was to go to the “Manage POI” page, selecet “Enable/Disable POI”, and then Uncheck all the POI’s which were checked (I left nothing checked in here). Then I went to enable “Warn when near POI” (with sounds) and “Only on my route” for the speed cameras.

I then exited TomTom and restarted the phone while I set up my GPS receiver on the window ledge. Once the red light was flashing to indicate it had found satellites, I opened up TomTom. I must point out that I did not have bluetooth enabled at this time. So now with TomTom running I went to the “Show GPS Status” page and configured it to connect with my GPS receiver (the phone asks if you want to activate bluetooth now, so select yes). When it had found BT77 I chose it and let the bluetooth establish a connection.

With everything set up and ready to go, I set my usual route to work (approximately 45 minutes) and started the “Show Route Demo”.

Now it did crash once at about 38 minutes in, however it didn’t require a reboot of the phone so for one last attempt at changing anything to do with POI’s, I turned off the “Show POI” setting on page 1 of the preferences menu (key 5 is a shortcut to this).

I was dubious as to whether I should disable that setting because I wanted to still be warned of speed cameras on my route. Fortunately I do still get an alarm warning, which is cool!

So again, I set up the demo running and so far I have not lost a connection once! Even as I type the connection is still going strong! I’m now about 3 hours in (continuous use) and this is the longest time ever without losing it (previous tests would last between 5-20 minutes max).

My theory is that all the bits and bytes of data needed by TomTom are all now placed closely together after formatting and then copying back over in the order that I did.

I really hope this has sorted out this incredibly annoying problem, so I can get back to having a life! :D

Just out of interest, what brand of MMC card are all the people with problems using? Mine is by Kingston.. :icon4:

Update: Still going ok.. :icon14:

Just noticed after removing the speed camera data base it works rock solid ....
even took a call and it was fine.

Just for the info it went like this-
removed speed camera database from the memory card
delete old pairings,
reboot phone
switch on gps "mk1" tomtom
switch on tomtom let it pair its self,
and now it seems to work all the time.

What is strange however is that I begin to notice that Tomtom crashes always at the same points/roads.

I was able to reproduce this behavior a few times. It would work ok for half an hour and when I go to a special cross road it crashed, then I can make it work for 5mn go to this special crossroad and it crashes on command !!!!!!


Hi,

About 6 weeks ago I proposed a theory to explain why TomTom on N70 can run all day if STATIONARY (i.e. sitting still, in your house) until the N70 battery goes flat, but crashes at random intervals if you are driving around the country.

My theory was that when you move from one network sell to another, or when you lose network signal completely, then the N70 spends a lot its CPU time trying to negotiate a new connection to the network.

This led to some people reporting a more stable GPS conneciton with TomTom when the phone is running in OFFLINE mode.

I would be interested to know if the 'special crossroad' where your TT always crashes is in an area of weak network signal, or where there is no reception at all?

Cheers,
Dez

Hi all,

I borrowed a workmate's Official TomTom MK-II GPS Receiver yesterday and did some more tests with the latest Nokia N70 Firmware (on O2) and TomTom 5.20.

The journey was about 80 miles/90 minutes cross country on B-Roads from South of Scotland to Glasgow. There were various points in the journey where there was weak or non existant O2 network reception.

Negative Results:-
Tom Tom lost the GPS signal 5 times during the journey, at random times.

Positive Results:-
The phone did not crash. Closing the TomTom app then re-launching it found the GPS signal automatically and TT continued the current programmed route.

Effectively, the latest O2 N70 firmware with the latest TT5.20 patch has cured TT from crashing the entire phone but has not made the TT application any more stable.

I have to hand back the GPS receiver to my friend tomorrow, therefore I will not be able to conduct any more tests for these forums for a while.

I am still hoping TT will release a 5.3 patch early in the new year for the N70.

Finally, I asked TT support if the retail MMC version of TT for the N70m was EXACTLY the same as the TT5.20 patch available on their website, and pointed out that the 5.20 patch does NOT have a Nokia N70 install option! They did not answer this question directly, but simply stated that the MMC supplied by TT for the N70 comes pre-loaded with the latest version so the patch is not required. I still wonder if TT are currently shipping MMC's with a different/newer version to that downloadable from the website?

My theory was that when you move from one network sell to another, or when you lose network signal completely, then the N70 spends a lot its CPU time trying to negotiate a new connection to the network.

This led to some people reporting a more stable GPS conneciton with TomTom when the phone is running in OFFLINE mode.



In theory yes that sounds like a valid reason that would cause it to crash. However TomTom still crashes when you run a demo route.

Mine is alot more stable now that i have removed the POI's, but it has still crashed on the odd occasion :mad:

Hi,
I would be interested to know if the 'special crossroad' where your TT always crashes is in an area of weak network signal, or where there is no reception at all?

Cheers,
Dez
Unfortunately no, it's an area 400 meters away from my starting point, same cell, and same crash each time... and if I go the other way I get no problem sometimes during one hour ... very strange ....

In theory yes that sounds like a valid reason that would cause it to crash. However TomTom still crashes when you run a demo route.

Mine is alot more stable now that i have removed the POI's, but it has still crashed on the odd occasion :mad:
Did you actually delete the POI's ? or just turn them off?
since i have deleted them i have failed to get a problem,
even run a demo all night to scotland from london, when returning to phone i canceled the demo and tomtom was still working.

Did you actually delete the POI's ? or just turn them off?


I tried at first to just disable them but it did crash on a couple of occasions (still ran longer then before though).

So i ended up deleting them completely off the card. I have not tested this over night yet though as ive been busy with xmas etc. Im glad it worked for you :icon14:

I tried emailing tomtom to ask why the n70 is not on the list when you try to install the official update, but the support pages on there website were not loading properly :mad:

Hi,

Please can some one confirm the only files that should remain in the map folder once all the poi's and related files have been deleted?

Im not sure if I have deleted them all or if I have deleted to many!

thanks

I have in mine:

traffic.inc
traffic.dat
tmccodes.dat
poi.dat
mapinfo.dat
Great-Britain-Map.cfg
Great_Britain.pna
Great_Britain.mid
Great_Britain-24a02c86.mac
faces.dat
cnode.dat
cname.dat
cline.dat

Let us know if yours runs stable now too please :icon14:

ok, well I have been watching this thread with great interest and am gonna go with TomTom on my N70 since it appears it can be made stable (well that and the fact I had a mis-hap with my PDA which ran TomTom 3).

I have a Bluetooth receiver from my PDA package, RIP PDA, and was wondering where is the best place to get my TomTom mobile (personal recommendations please chaps) and also is it possible to just get the software and save on ending up with another GPS receiver? (cheap skate that I am :) )

Anyhow, thanks for a great thread all, let me know the best place to get the goods, and once I have the software installed I will report back on my success and failures.

ok, well I have been watching this thread with great interest and am gonna go with TomTom on my N70 since it appears it can be made stable (well that and the fact I had a mis-hap with my PDA which ran TomTom 3).

I have a Bluetooth receiver from my PDA package, RIP PDA, and was wondering where is the best place to get my TomTom mobile (personal recommendations please chaps) and also is it possible to just get the software and save on ending up with another GPS receiver? (cheap skate that I am :) )

Anyhow, thanks for a great thread all, let me know the best place to get the goods, and once I have the software installed I will report back on my success and failures.

You can buy just the map from the TomTom site for 60 euros which will give you the required activation code. You can then download the software for free from the TomTom site under upgrades or something. You'll also need to get a memory card and a card reader. It's basically a back door (and very cheap) way of getting the software on its own.

You can buy just the map from the TomTom site for 60 euros which will give you the required activation code. You can then download the software for free from the TomTom site under upgrades or something. You'll also need to get a memory card and a card reader. It's basically a back door (and very cheap) way of getting the software on its own.

Excellent information mate, many thanks for that, sure is going to save me some money seeing as I have a previous version and hardware.

Many thanks :)


.....PS... I dont suppose you could post some url links to the map purchase / software download on the tomtom site, I cant seem to find it

Excellent information mate, many thanks for that, sure is going to save me some money seeing as I have a previous version and hardware.

Many thanks :)


.....PS... I dont suppose you could post some url links to the map purchase / software download on the tomtom site, I cant seem to find it

http://www.tomtom.com/plus/services/mds.php Scroll down that page and you'll see the Map of Great Britain.

I'd also like to point out that i haven't tried this method but you can view the discussion of it on http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=31702&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

Mine is alot more stable now that i have removed the POI's, but it has still crashed on the odd occasion :mad:

Hi,

The POI theory was too interesting for me to ignore, so I borrowed my M8's TomTom GPS Receiver and did some more testing yesterday. and although it's too early for me to be 100% sure (I have been caught out before) I can confirm that TT5.20 and N70 is much more stable with POI's disabled.

I did about 4 hours driving yesterday between crentral Scottish Borders, Edinburgh city centre and Lanarkshire, then the same route in reverse home. TomTom DID NOT CRASH and DID NOT LOSE GPS SIGNAL at all! (Yipee?)

One problem I still get is that if I close TomTom and re-start it at a later time, I have a 50/50 chance that TT will NOT be able to find the GPS device, and the only way to cure it is to REBOOT the device. I can live with this little problem.


To sum up, here's my recommended process for reliable TomTom 5 use with the Nokia N70.

1. Get the latest Firmware Upgrade to V3.0546.2.3 18-11-05 RM-84
(TomTom Support confirmed to me they only recommend & support the latest N70 Firmware)

2. REBOOT the N70 before launching TomTom
(only required if TT cannot find the GPS device)

3. DO NOT PAIR the GPS device using the Nokia Bluetooth Menu
(Personally, I do not delete all devices from the N70 pairing menu, but others recommend this additional step for reliable GPS connections - I don't encounter the problem so I do not bother. Just let TT find your GPS device each time)

4. Go to TT Perferences page 1
Select HIDE POI
(Only needs done once)

5. Go to TT Preferences page 2
Select MANAGE POI's menu
Select ENABLE/DISABLE POI
Untick ALL POI's
(Only needs done once)

6. Go to TT Preferences page 2
Select WARN WHEN NEAR POI
Tick ONLY the Speed Camera POI
Tick the box WARN ONLY IF POI IS ON ROUTE
(Only needs done once)


With the above settings 4,5,6, you still get a visual and audio alert when approaching a speed camera but TT does not crash (so far! fingers crossed!)

You can still use NAVIGATE TO + POI functions, but you will not see them displayed on the map screen when driving, but this is a small price to pay for TomTom to work RELIABLY on the Nokia N70.

I think TomTom will no doubt release a patch in the next few months to cure this problem. I recommend as many as possible of this forum's readers to contact TT Support to make the development team aware of the POI 'cure' for the problems with TT5.20 on the N70...

Cheers to all who have contributed to this thread over the last few months!

Dez

Response 23/12/2005 11.34 AM
Dear Mr Scott,

You can use the installer for the N90 as the installer is the same. We are sorry for the inconvenience.

With best regards,

The TomTom Customer Support Team

Customer 22/12/2005 03.40 PM
The 5.20 patch on your website does not have an N70 option to install. Which option do you recommend? OR Is the retail version of 5.20 different from the website patch download?

:icon4:

Hi,

The POI theory was too interesting for me to ignore, so I borrowed my M8's TomTom GPS Receiver and did some more testing yesterday. and although it's too early for me to be 100% sure (I have been caught out before) I can confirm that TT5.20 and N70 is much more stable with POI's disabled.

I did about 4 hours driving yesterday between crentral Scottish Borders, Edinburgh city centre and Lanarkshire, then the same route in reverse home. TomTom DID NOT CRASH and DID NOT LOSE GPS SIGNAL at all! (Yipee?)

One problem I still get is that if I close TomTom and re-start it at a later time, I have a 50/50 chance that TT will NOT be able to find the GPS device, and the only way to cure it is to REBOOT the device. I can live with this little problem.


To sum up, here's my recommended process for reliable TomTom 5 use with the Nokia N70.
Hi Dez can i ask what speed camera files your using?
did you add the more complex ones from the speed zoned folder?
Ie the ones that show what speed each camera is ?
Thanks Jason

1. Get the latest Firmware Upgrade to V3.0546.2.3 18-11-05 RM-84
(TomTom Support confirmed to me they only recommend & support the latest N70 Firmware)

2. REBOOT the N70 before launching TomTom
(only required if TT cannot find the GPS device)

3. DO NOT PAIR the GPS device using the Nokia Bluetooth Menu
(Personally, I do not delete all devices from the N70 pairing menu, but others recommend this additional step for reliable GPS connections - I don't encounter the problem so I do not bother. Just let TT find your GPS device each time)

4. Go to TT Perferences page 1
Select HIDE POI
(Only needs done once)

5. Go to TT Preferences page 2
Select MANAGE POI's menu
Select ENABLE/DISABLE POI
Untick ALL POI's
(Only needs done once)

6. Go to TT Preferences page 2
Select WARN WHEN NEAR POI
Tick ONLY the Speed Camera POI
Tick the box WARN ONLY IF POI IS ON ROUTE
(Only needs done once)


With the above settings 4,5,6, you still get a visual and audio alert when approaching a speed camera but TT does not crash (so far! fingers crossed!)

You can still use NAVIGATE TO + POI functions, but you will not see them displayed on the map screen when driving, but this is a small price to pay for TomTom to work RELIABLY on the Nokia N70.

I think TomTom will no doubt release a patch in the next few months to cure this problem. I recommend as many as possible of this forum's readers to contact TT Support to make the development team aware of the POI 'cure' for the problems with TT5.20 on the N70...

Cheers to all who have contributed to this thread over the last few months!

Dez
Hi Dez can i ask what speed camera files your using?
did you add the more complex ones from the speed zoned folder?
Ie the ones that show what speed each camera is ?
Thanks Jason

Hi Dez can i ask what speed camera files your using?
did you add the more complex ones from the speed zoned folder?
Ie the ones that show what speed each camera is ?
Thanks Jason

Hi Jason,

I get my FREE monthly speed-camera DB from

http://www.pocketgps.co.uk/uksafetycameras.php

I use the single/large database, and no, I don't think it has the speed limit for each camera in the DB.

Cheers,
Dez

Sad to say that fix does not work with standard firmware from Orange . went into orange shop and they rang a few numbers saying they did not have new firmware for me so Orange n70 and tomtom with speed cameras in any way is just pants full stop.

Sad to say that fix does not work with standard firmware from Orange . went into orange shop and they rang a few numbers saying they did not have new firmware for me so Orange n70 and tomtom with speed cameras in any way is just pants full stop.

Hi,

Sorry the fix don't work for you.
Are you still on the V2.xxxx Firmware on Orange?

Dez

Just lemme get one thing straight... the POI's (cameras, Shell, KFC etc) they all work now with no adverse affects using the new firmware?

Just lemme get one thing straight... the POI's (cameras, Shell, KFC etc) they all work now with no adverse affects using the new firmware?

NO! :)

But based on 1 days testing (4hr's driving) if you DISABLE & HIDE all POI's then ONLY enable the WARN WHEN NEAR POI function (ONLY for the Speed Camera DB), then TT5.20 seems stable on the N70 with latest Firmware.

If you re-enable the SHOW POI function & tick any POI's for display, then TT starts losing GPS signal again at random intervals.

If you can live with only speedcamera POI's (& Only those directly on your route) and can live without all the other POI's (until Tomtom produce a new patch) then this is much better than what we have all been experiencing for the last 6 - 8 weeks...

Incidentally I still occasionally have to reboot my N70 before launching TT or it sometimes fails to detect a GPS receiver. Also, if you don't reboot the N70 after closing TT, sometimes I cannot send or receive data via BlueTooth.

I have passed all the above info to TomTom's Support for the attention of the Developers and Testers. I will let you all know if I hear anything back from them...

Dez

NO! :)

But based on 1 days testing (4hr's driving) if you DISABLE & HIDE all POI's then ONLY enable the WARN WHEN NEAR POI function (ONLY for the Speed Camera DB), then TT5.20 seems stable on the N70 with latest Firmware.

If you re-enable the SHOW POI function & tick any POI's for display, then TT starts losing GPS signal again at random intervals.

If you can live with only speedcamera POI's (& Only those directly on your route) and can live without all the other POI's (until Tomtom produce a new patch) then this is much better than what we have all been experiencing for the last 6 - 8 weeks...

Incidentally I still occasionally have to reboot my N70 before launching TT or it sometimes fails to detect a GPS receiver. Also, if you don't reboot the N70 after closing TT, sometimes I cannot send or receive data via BlueTooth.

I have passed all the above info to TomTom's Support for the attention of the Developers and Testers. I will let you all know if I hear anything back from them...

Dez

Thanks for the workaround.

I was doing such kind of tests with my N70 an TT5.20 with similar results ( I didn't test if the PoIs altering was working properly). Finally I removed the radar PoIs. We'll see what TomTom can do for solving this issue.

Hi,

Sorry the fix don't work for you.
Are you still on the V2.xxxx Firmware on Orange?

Dez
Hi Dez i have orange version 2.0537.1.7 what version is the latest?
and what network you on?
Thanks Jason

Just wondering if people are getting different results due to Tomtom not being able to handle certain databases...
Question 1 .... Cane people please state if there database is the genuine Tomtom download the one you need to pay for on their site?


OR the ones that are free from pocketgps.com ?

Hi Dez i have orange version 2.0537.1.7 what version is the latest?
and what network you on?
Thanks Jason

I am on O2 with Firmware V3.0546.2.3 18-11-04 RM-84

I am sure Orange can now supply a V3.xxxx firmware. If you can persuade the technicians to put in the Generic Nokia V3 firmware instead of Orange, some other members of this forum claim it is better than the Orange branded one.

Cheers,
Dez

Just wondering if people are getting different results due to Tomtom not being able to handle certain databases...
Question 1 .... Cane people please state if there database is the genuine Tomtom download the one you need to pay for on their site?


OR the ones that are free from pocketgps.com ?



Thats a good question :icon4:

Mine where from the pocketgpsworld.com website...

Thats a good question :icon4:

Mine where from the pocketgpsworld.com website...

I use Pocket GPS for Speed Cameras. Assume all other POIs are TomTom ones?

My TT / N70 seems stable when POI's are hidden as per my email a few days ago.

Dez

Nokia N70 & TomTom V5.0
On Vodafone
Firmware - V2.0536.0.2
12-09-05
RM-84

I have had the problems mentioned with TomTom and my N70 and monitored this thread for a few weeks. However my Bro in law also got it for his 6680 and a Holox BT321 receiver, I tried this receiver and it worked fine and did not drop the signal once or keep asking for a BT pass code. I have now bought a Holox BT321 for myself and have tried it all week and so far i have not had one problem. I sold the cheaper BT receiver to my mate who has a 6600 and he is also happy as that works fine with his phone.

I am no expert and im not saying that this will work for everyone but it has for me and i thought i should let everyone on here know.

Lee:)

I am using the old silver BT GPS receiver from my Navigator3 pack, and I also have no problems as yet.

Hi guys,

Been following these posts and others on other boards with great interest as i'm experiencing the same problem with Navicores GPS solution and their receiver. Interestingly i think the problem also occurs more because i am using a flamingo bluetooth headset.

I borrowed a friends TOM TOM v5.200 (443) GPS v1.20 MAP v562 MMC and it does the same thing, only even more frequently.

I haven't got a clue why reformatting MMC, copying files in a certain order would work other than the other steps involved also have the effect of freeing up some processor time? Perhaps this is why Navicore is more stable? (it does seem more responsive and has less POI's).

The fact that the bluetooth instability occurs both with and without TOMTOM or Navicore running suggests to me that there is a bug in the bluetooth stack that Nokia need to fix?

I am currently trying to obtain a service upgrade from 2.0539.1.2, 19-10-05, RM-84. to the 3.x one and will post back if i get any further results.

Cheers,

Interestingly i think the problem also occurs more because i am using a flamingo bluetooth headset.

I agree... I also found TT5.xx less stable if I tried to use both the GPS receiver and the BT headset at same time... however, I haven't re-tested this scenario since disabling POI's (which for my N70, results in a much more stable TT5.20).

More importantly, I also found that after closing the TomTom app, I would experience unreliable Bluetooth data connections, BT headset not auto-answering calls, and TT being unable to find the GPS device next time I launch the app. The solution to this was to REBOOT the N70 AFTER closing TomTom. It's a pain, but an easy habit to get into which prevents probems ocurring after using TT.



The fact that the bluetooth instability occurs both with and without TOMTOM or Navicore running suggests to me that there is a bug in the bluetooth stack that Nokia need to fix?

You could be right, but I would have hoped that the V3 Firmware updates from Nokia should have resolved any major BlueTooth Stack errors. It's strange also that only GPS devices are experiencing the bluetooth connection reliability problems? It's also worth mentioning that (I think) the N70 has a Bluetooth 2.0 Stack which is different from previous Nokia models.

Perhaps the fact the TomTom uses it's own GPS drivers, which then interface with the Nokia BT Stack is part of the problem. Perhaps Navicore also uses it's own proprietry GPS drivers? Hopefully TomTom will be able to update their GPS driver in the next symbian patch to be more stable on the N70? Several forum users have noted that TomTom's screengrabs show a GPS driver V1.21 which is not available in the Symbian TT5.20 patch.


Keep us posted with your findings!

Dez:)

After going round and round with the tomtom suport team they are asking what data rates are our Memory cards performing at?
I can understand maybe a problem now as it seems linked to maps and extras it needs to display it could be like running slow ram as we have double the speed of the cpu in the N70 and i noticed the maps are more fluid in motion compared to my old 7610.
i got this from tomtom.
Then there must be something wrong somewhere. We have not received any information stating that there is a problem with this Mobile.

Which memory card are you using? This can happen if the card is too slow (READ performance below 10mb/second). It can also happen if the amount of data becomes too much for the application to process. Try to disable some active POIs and see if the situation improves. As an experiment, disable all POIs, then add one by one, to see where the limit is.


Looks like mine is a bit slow just checked it out on soem sites review,
Oh well looks like i need to source a faster Dual voltage card who knows of the fastest?

i got this from tomtom.
Then there must be something wrong somewhere. We have not received any information stating that there is a problem with this Mobile.?

Cheeky beggers! (TT Support) - various people from these forums have been reporting problems with TT & the N70 since Nokia first released stock in the UK.


Which memory card are you using? This can happen if the card is too slow (READ performance below 10mb/second). It can also happen if the amount of data becomes too much for the application to process. Try to disable some active POIs and see if the situation improves. As an experiment, disable all POIs, then add one by one, to see where the limit is.

Looks like mine is a bit slow just checked it out on soem sites review,
Oh well looks like i need to source a faster Dual voltage card who knows of the fastest?

At least TT Support are giving good advice about mimiting POI's.

I had a quick look on Google and couldn't find any MMC cards with over 8Mb/sec read rates. Wonder where TT source the MMB cards they use to ship TT?
I replaced my official TT MMC card with a generic 512Mb "ATP MMC Mobile" card running at 2.5Mb/sec, then Formatted and sold the original, smaller capacity, MMC card on Ebay (Silly me!) Maybe the cheap high capacity MMC cards available on ebay were OK for the 6680 I used then with TT but are too slow for the faster CPU in the new N70's?

Keep us informed of your testing! I sold my old GPS Receiver a while ago so can't only test when my friend loans me his one, which isn't that often. I will buy another one only if and when TT is 100% stable for all the N70 forum users (stable even with POI's enabled!).

Dez

In terms of Navicore it has been stable for 2 days. In the end i had to remove the bluetooth pairing and allow Navicore to make the bluetooth connection. This morning it was stable for a 1 hour journey, it even lost connection to the GPS because i'd forgotten to charge it. All picked up fine once i plugged it into car adapter. Normally it will crash after 10 mins or so.

So just to re-iterate, try deleting GPS blueooth pairing and allow the software to make the GPS connection instead. I think i got impatient and thought 'oh maybe navicore requires a paired connection' - IT DOESNT and neither does TOMTOM. so be patient.

FYI My memory card is 1gb Kingstom DVMMC running at 8mb/s.

Im very happy at the moment, next thing to try is re-enabling my Flamingo bluetooth headset.

I will post back with results for TOMTOM too in a couple of days.

Im very happy at the moment, next thing to try is re-enabling my Flamingo bluetooth headset.

I will post back with results for TOMTOM too in a couple of days.

Please do let us know! I am particularly keen to know if I can use a BT headset with TT before I consider buying a new GPS receiver to replace the one I sold.
Can you also try making or receiving a voice call on your BT headset and see if TT & Navicore remain stable? Thanks in advance.

went onto my memory cards site and checked out their spec of it seems as mine is fast enough ...any one have an Altina DV RS MMC?
High performance at Read Speed more than 9MB/s and Write Speed more than 7MB/s
is what the site says so going on tomtoms reply to me i am well above what they recommend..
Does any one know the speed of the genuine tomtom cards?

Well, I'm waiting for my GPS and MMC to turn up for my girlfriends N70 and when I saw this about the speeds I checked up on the manufacturers site and it seems that the card I've bought is a new high-speed one that runs at a read speed of 52MB/sec.
So if anyone is looking it may be one to get- inov8 is the make, and it was cheap too !

Hope this helps.

And I'me very nervous waiting for my goodies to make sure it all works, it's her birthday present from me !

Dylan

I'm running an IPQ card which supposedly transfers at 52mb/s.

I have run TT now for some time with no luck. I have followed all the options that people have given on here.
Allowing TT to pair itself
Trying in offline mode
with and without POI's enabled
with POI's deleted

The best I have had is about an hour.....

I'm running App Version 5.200(443), GPS Driver v1.20, Map version 562
I'm still running the below Firmware.
The POI's are all TomTom pre installed except the Speed Cameras of course... PocketGPS!

Frankly I'm at a loss!!

I'm running an IPQ card which supposedly transfers at 52mb/s.

I have run TT now for some time with no luck. I have followed all the options that people have given on here.
Allowing TT to pair itself
Trying in offline mode
with and without POI's enabled
with POI's deleted

The best I have had is about an hour.....

I'm running App Version 5.200(443), GPS Driver v1.20, Map version 562
I'm still running the below Firmware.
The POI's are all TomTom pre installed except the Speed Cameras of course... PocketGPS!

Frankly I'm at a loss!!
Hi are you still getting the same problems with the pocket gps database deleted from your memory card?
Can i ask what network is your phone on?

Yep, deleting POI's made no difference.
I'm on Vodafone

I really want to get this working as I rely on my additional POI's... as well as the Spoeed cameras.

Yep, deleting POI's made no difference.
I'm on Vodafone

I really want to get this working as I rely on my additional POI's... as well as the Spoeed cameras.
BLIMEY sounds like yours is worse than mine i am with orange and can make tomtom work without the pocket gps database speed files on my mem card.
Have you thought about changing your firmware in your phone to normal nokia?

I'm running an IPQ card which supposedly transfers at 52mb/s...
...I'm running App Version 5.200(443), GPS Driver v1.20, Map version 562
I'm still running the below Firmware.
Frankly I'm at a loss!!

I genuinely believe you will see an improvement with the disabled POI's once you have upgraded to the V3 firmware. It should be free, if you can find a Nokia Service point nearby.

D

ok, well I am running TomTom mobile 5, map v6.05 and an N70 with v2.0536.0.2.

I am using the Silver TomTom Wireless GPS receiver (9821x) from my older Nav3 PDA pack.

It has been stable and works well, so I added in the pocketgps speed cam database and set alarms for them as POI's.

No sooner had I heard the first alarm ring than I lost connection to the GPS receiver. I reset the phone, it re-established the connection and then I drove back along the same road. Again I got the warning and again I lost connection to the GPS receiver.

I disabled the Speed Cams as POI's and drove the same road.... no loss of connection!

I purchased the v6.25 GB map from plus services last week, so am gonna try the same experiment with that loaded, but I can see no reason for not getting the same results.

Summary - In my experience you dont need the latest firmware on the N70, you dont need the latest 5.2 release for TomTom mobile 5, and you dont need the latest TomTom GPS receiver... Just dont use a speed cam POI database :icon13:

Just for the records I am using a Kingmax mmc card at the moment.

Quite intrigueing all this.....

I don't have the latest firmware like JH, and basically did as he has described above.... and yes it worked as he says... as soon as you disable the POI's then the connection stays, but for some reason.... it's not holding it's own. The best I got was just over the hour before it dropped it's connection?!?!?!?

Is this just bad luck or still a fault.....

Admittedly, I had 3 close cameras at the beginning of my journey.

Camera 1 - lost connection
Rebooted etc and got it running again.
Camera 2 - lost connection
Rebooted etc, got it running and disabled the POI's
Camera 3 - Got the siren to warn me and it stayed connected...
But an hour later it was down!!

So I gave up at that moment and carried onto my destination.

I have now sold my old PDA and Tomtom so the GPS has gone with it:con?

Sorry folks, but I'm now going to be relying on you guys to get this working before any more expense on the mobile side.

BTW. Does anyone know the answer to the following:
TomTom Go 500/700 have bluetooth capability right...! if I were to connect my mobile to it, do you reckon I would be able to use the GPS in that??
Daft question I know, "why would you want TT Mobile if you have a GO" but the wife wants to get one (although she was only going for the 300) but if it will work, then I'll treat her to the upper model and I could experiment with that if it does
Cheers for now and happy testing!

dez_borders - flamingo headset appears to be causing the crashing in Navicore. Although to use the headset i have to pair it using the phones bluetooth menu. I really do think the problem is with the phones bluetooth - lets hope it's just the fimware 2.x :frown:

Unfortunately i can't get my firmware updated to v3.x for another 2 weeks (they said THAT previously 4 weeks ago!) so i'll post back when it's been done.

In the meantime i'll give TOMTOM a whirl and see if it still crashes without the headset, if it does i'll remove the POI databases.

Can anyone point me in the right direction of where to find the Service Centres to do the Firmware upgrades.... just in case I decide/need to.

Tx

just to say "gadget sa" I totally removed the Speed camera POI's, warnings and all.

I know that warnings of "safety" cameras would be nice, but the bulk of the time I drive the same roads and know where they are and where mobile ones get set up. And to me the ability to get through to the final destination matters more at this time.

Summary - In my experience you dont need the latest firmware on the N70, you dont need the latest 5.2 release for TomTom mobile 5, and you dont need the latest TomTom GPS receiver... Just dont use a speed cam POI database :icon13: .

Hi Johnny,

Looks like different results work for different people. However, if you did upgrade your firmware to V3.xxxx you might well find you CAN have the SpeedCam warning enabled without loss of signal. I never experienced a single loss of GPS signal when I tested with FW3 and the SpeedCam DB only set to 'warn only when on route' and all POI's hidden. I drove for 4 hours, passing about a dozen speedcams - in both directions - perfect operation.

FW upgrades should be free, what have you got to lose? ;)

P.S. I am interested to learn of your experiences with the new Maps, but I agree with your expectation that there should be no difference.

Dez

Just wondering what memory cards are the ones that seem to working with points of interest speed cameras?

Just to add to the database of user experience, I installed a friend's Tom Tom onto my N70 as a test after he had the usual issues with it after 5-30 mins and today we did a two hour journey from Hants up to the NEC in Birmingham and never had a single lockup or loss of signal, it even coped with me walking into the services (so dropping the bluetooth connection) and then returning to carry on where we left off, without needing to reboot or re-pair the bluetooth. This was with the phone in onlne mode so able to receive calls (although didnt actually take any), using an old style (silver) Tom Tom receiver, no speed camera location data and my 02 supplied phone with v3.0546.2.3 firmware.

Oddly enough though it didnt provide any real conclusive evidence because we plugged his phone in for the return journey (a Vodafone N70 with v2.xx firmware) and that didnt lock up or drop signal either, despite doing it several times before within a few minutes when he'd tested it previously!

WOW THANKS GUYS...... After deleting ALL of my POI's my TomTom worked perfectly and it even improved the frame rate to that of a proper tom tom go system! Smoooooooth! Anyway.... I downloaded the safety cam POIs from pocketgps (the ones that say which speed) and added them to my card, I put the audio warnings on each one (on route only) and then Hid the POI's on the tom tom menu. My tom tom is very stable, and the audio warnings come on and the pictures of the cams do aswell when im however close i set the warning to come on! Im still testing.... but this is the most stable ive ever had it! The only problems ive had is, ive had to restart my phone once in a while, as tom tom wont find my gps unit on initialisation of tom tom.

Well done! Good work guys!

It must be a memory/cpu problem with the app or phone. If enough of us complain to the right people, we will get something done!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This was with the phone in onlne mode so able to receive calls (although didnt actually take any), using an old style (silver) Tom Tom receiver, no speed camera location data and my 02 supplied phone with v3.0546.2.3 firmware.


For me the significant facts above are V3 FW and no POI's enabled. I am also on O2 with V3 and can confirm your results on a friends borrowed TT GPS Receiver.

Oddly enough though it didnt provide any real conclusive evidence because we plugged his phone in for the return journey (a Vodafone N70 with v2.xx firmware) and that didnt lock up or drop signal either, despite doing it several times before within a few minutes when he'd tested it previously!
This one is more difficult to explain, although if the MMC card was transferred to the Vodafone V2FW phone, then once again your journey was without POI.
I believe the POI theory/workaround has only surfaced in the last few weeks.

Thanks for the info.

P.S. Is the disabled POI workaroud working for owners of other brands of GPS receiver?

Dez

WOW THANKS GUYS...... After deleting ALL of my POI's my TomTom worked perfectly and it even improved the frame rate to that of a proper tom tom go system! Smoooooooth! Anyway.... I downloaded the safety cam POIs from pocketgps (the ones that say which speed) and added them to my card, I put the audio warnings on each one (on route only) and then Hid the POI's on the tom tom menu. My tom tom is very stable, and the audio warnings come on and the pictures of the cams do aswell when im however close i set the warning to come on! Im still testing.... but this is the most stable ive ever had it! The only problems ive had is, ive had to restart my phone once in a while, as tom tom wont find my gps unit on initialisation of tom tom.

Well done! Good work guys!

It must be a memory/cpu problem with the app or phone. If enough of us complain to the right people, we will get something done!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Glad to hear yet another TT Mobile user has found the POI solution works for them! It's been a long time coming for many of us.

The latest theory on the cause of the problem is the read/write speed of MMC's in N70 owner's phones. Some are as low as 2.5Mb/sec, some are over 9Mb/sec. The idea is that on the slow cards, TomTom cannot read the main maps and multiple POI databases all at the same time. This might explain why some users experience no problems with TT, where others found it completely unusable.

It MIGHT also explain why some users reported TT would lose GPS signal at the same location on a route every time (often only in one direction!). I wonder if there were a lot of POI's nearby the location where TT failed? When I first owned TT, I fell into the temptation to enable almost every POI available, which resulted in too slow read performance for TT from my 512Mb 2.5Mb/sec MMC.

By the way, I also share your problem of needing to reboot the phone after closing the TT app, otherwise the GPS Receiver cannot be found next time. At the moment you'll just have to get used this - at least it cures the annoying problem.

Dez

I've found that TomTom doesn't always connect to my TT MK2 GPS receiver, The easiest way I've found to get it working is to go into the GPS Status, Then it finds it fairly quickly,

It is annoying,

Carl,

Hi all just got this reply from Tomtom...
First of all, the card you have there is not fast enough. Please read the following regarding SD cards and their performance, which explains a bit closer:

With regards to memory speed, there are a few things to keep in mind. The Tomtom application, demands a READ speed of at least 10mb/second. This is very important, as a lower specced card will almost certainly experience big issues with both starting and using the software. Most cards on the market are not made with this in mind. Most cards are designed to be used with other type of devices in mind, devices where WRITE performance is more important (like with cameras for instance).

Another problem is that SD cards will not tell you how many MB they can transfer per second. They rather give you a cryptic 40x or 50x or 60x specification, which can be hard to translate into real world numbers. There is however a logic behind it, and a way to calculate ecxactly what this means. I'll do the math for the 10mb limit here, so we can find out what that becomes in the 40x, 50x, 60x system. This system is a survivor from the early years of the CDROM age, where the original CDROM players were capable of 150kb/second read access. Later, this was doubled (2x) using updated technologies, and like this the 2x, 4x, 8x, 16x system was born.

First we need a few definitions:
1mb = 1024kb
1x = 150kb/sec

Now, it becomes fairly simple:

First, how many kb are there is 10mb?
10 * 1024 = 10240

Now we can calculate the "x" specification of a 10mb/sec card:
10240kb / 150 = 68,27

With this calculation, we find that 68,27x is the minimum READ specification for SD cards used with our software. This means that you need a card with at least 70x specification to work with our software.

What you will find, is that typically cards with a high storage capacity have a slower READ speed, while lower capacity cards might have better access times.

I see you refer to other users using 56mb/sec cards? As far as I know, the fastest cards currently on the market have a read access of 150x (equivalent to about 22mb/sec). Are you sure you're not confusing the two different ways of giving read speed specifications as explained earlier in this email?


I also have to ask you to remove any 3. party POIs you have on the device (such as the PocketGPSWorld database you refer to). We can only guarantee functionality with our software. Software from 3. party suppliers such as Pocket GPS World can seriously damage the equipment, we can not guarantee error free operation with our devices/software as long as they are used with such 3. party software.

With best regards,

The TomTom Customer Support Team

Hi, I just need some help from people who kno more than i do bout the n80

I went on ebay and i found this person who is selling the n80 for 300usd
To my knowledge, the fone isnt even out yet, and if it is, y is it so cheap.
the person sed they bought it from the finalnd factory.

can anyone tell me if this is legit or if its a scam?

if so, where can i buy this fone besides ebay? anyone kno any trusting online cell phone sites where i can buy fones that will ship to Toronto.

Thank you

Kinda think you have posted that n80 question in the wrong place chap, I would try a separate thread for it rather than one dealing with the TomTom app on an n70.

More people will see it if it is on its own thread. :)

Regarding the speed of the card, am I right in thinking that Tomtom works flawlessly with a low speed card when used in conjunction with a different phone for example 6630 or 6680? Therefore surely it has absolutely nothing to do with read speed? I cant imagine that enabling a POI or two would use much more than extra MB per second in read speed required/

Densil

Regarding the speed of the card, am I right in thinking that Tomtom works flawlessly with a low speed card when used in conjunction with a different phone for example 6630 or 6680? Therefore surely it has absolutely nothing to do with read speed? I cant imagine that enabling a POI or two would use much more than extra MB per second in read speed required/

Densil

Yep, spot on....
My mates got TT5 on a 6630. He has got the cheapest card he could find (256mb for £9.99) in his phone (he says its read time is 2x) and he borrows my GPS receiver (must start charging him for this!!) and he regularly does a four drive to his mums at weekends without so much as a blink! He has got the speedcams from Pocket GPS World loaded, visible and functioning flawlessly!!

I'm starting to think that the phone is the issue in it's processing power, not the card. But I'm no techie and am probably wrong!!!

Yep, spot on....
My mates got TT5 on a 6630. He has got the cheapest card he could find (256mb for £9.99) in his phone (he says its read time is 2x) and he borrows my GPS receiver (must start charging him for this!!) and he regularly does a four drive to his mums at weekends without so much as a blink! He has got the speedcams from Pocket GPS World loaded, visible and functioning flawlessly!!

I'm starting to think that the phone is the issue in it's processing power, not the card. But I'm no techie and am probably wrong!!!

Hi,


I agree with you both, and it's worth pointing out that the 6630/6680 phones have CPU's approximately half the speed of the CPU in the N70, and the 66xx range also had less onboard memory. Perhaps TomTom on 66xx runs so slowly that the MMC card's read speed is much less important?

I also used TT with a 2Mb/sec MMC card on the 6680 with no problems but the problems are apparent when the same card is used on the N70...

...I am now going to buy one of these 15Mb/Sec cards at £27 inc VAT and P&P... (see below)

Once I have the card installed, I will SHOW POI's, borrow a m8s GPS receiver, and perform some tests in Edinburgh where there's loads of POI's to display.
I will let you all know how I get on, probably early next week.



http://www.techfever.co.uk/products....&source=affwin


PEAK 512MB RS-MMC MOBILE XTREME 100x
Flash Memory>>SD/MMC
Type : Mobile Multimedia Memory Card
Size : 512MB
Model number: 2983ADPK
Weight: 0.01Kg

Special Features :
The Peak MMCmobile 4.0 Card is Based on an Advanced 13-pin Interface with Dual Voltage and is Designed to Meet the Requirements of Different Portable Audio & Video Consumer Devices. It can Operate at Voltages of 2.7V - 3.6V as Standard. It can also Operate at Voltages of 1.65V - 1.95V Which Most Cellular Phones Require.

Specifications:
Package Type : Retail
Capacity : 512MB
Interface : MMCmobile
Read Speed : 15MB/s
Write Speed : 8MB/s
Operation Voltage : 2.7V to 3.6V, 1.65V to 1.95V
Insertions : 10,000
Width : 18mm
Height : 24mm
Depth : 1.4mm

Package Contents:

MMC Adapter
Warranty: 5 Years

First we need a few definitions:
1mb = 1024kb
1x = 150kb/sec

Now, it becomes fairly simple:

First, how many kb are there is 10mb?
10 * 1024 = 10240

Now we can calculate the "x" specification of a 10mb/sec card:
10240kb / 150 = 68,27

With this calculation, we find that 68,27x is the minimum READ specification for SD cards used with our software. This means that you need a card with at least 70x specification to work with our software.



My card is an Adata 512mb 100x quite a bit more than 70x! and it crashes with POI Enabled (just the POIs that come with tomtom)

If you run a test on the large size mmc that tomtom mobile came with a year ago you find their stock cards runs at this

SiSoftware Sandra

Benchmark Results
Combined Index : 114364 operation(s)/min
Endurance Factor : 5.0
512B Files Test : 230908 operation(s)/min
32kB Files Test : 46429 operation(s)/min
256kB Files Test : 4940 operation(s)/min
2MB Files Test : 757 operation(s)/min
64MB Files Test : 47 operation(s)/min

Performance Test Status
Run ID : CRAZYSCOMP on 10 January 2006 at 04:20:21
SMP Test : No
Total Test Threads : 1
SMT Test : No
Dynamic MP/MT Load Balance : No
Processor Affinity : No

512B Files Test
Read Performance : 1379888 operation(s)/min (11499 kB/sec, 65x)
Write Performance : 79605 operation(s)/min (663 kB/sec, 3x)
Delete Performance : 785605 operation(s)/min
Combined Index : 230908 operation(s)/min

32kB Files Test
Read Performance : 188979 operation(s)/min (100789 kB/sec, 572x)
Write Performance : 16481 operation(s)/min (8790 kB/sec, 49x)
Delete Performance : 622205 operation(s)/min
File Fragments : 1.0
Combined Index : 46429 operation(s)/min

256kB Files Test
Read Performance : 4362 operation(s)/min (18611 kB/sec, 105x)
Write Performance : 4635 operation(s)/min (19776 kB/sec, 112x)
Delete Performance : 715289 operation(s)/min
File Fragments : 1.0
Combined Index : 4940 operation(s)/min

2MB Files Test
Read Performance : 701 operation(s)/min (23927 kB/sec, 135x)
Write Performance : 645 operation(s)/min (22016 kB/sec, 125x)
Delete Performance : 894141 operation(s)/min
File Fragments : 1.0
Combined Index : 757 operation(s)/min

64MB Files Test
Read Performance : 48 operation(s)/min (52429 kB/sec, 297x)
Write Performance : 34 operation(s)/min (37137 kB/sec, 211x)
Delete Performance : 380129 operation(s)/min
File Fragments : 1.0
Combined Index : 47 operation(s)/min

Endurance Test Status
Operating System Disk Cache Used : No
Use Overlapped I/O : No
Test File Size : 32MB
Block Size : 512 byte(s)
File Fragments : 1

Endurance Benchmark Breakdown
Repeated Sector ReWrite : 5 MB/s
Sequential Sector Write : 5 MB/s
Random Sector Write : 766 kB/s

Drive
Total Size : 190GB
Free Space : 37GB, 19%
Cluster Size : 4kB


Your see that our cards are way slower and combined with a n70 running at 230mghz its trying to read much more data as the frame rate of the maps much faster than other phone like 7610 6830 etc ..
i found these 150x and 132x cards on this site ATP are 150x goldflash are132x

http://www.pc-memory-upgrade.co.uk/memory/dual-voltage-rsmmc.asp

Hi,


I agree with you both, and it's worth pointing out that the 6630/6680 phones have CPU's approximately half the speed of the CPU in the N70, and the 66xx range also had less onboard memory. Perhaps TomTom on 66xx runs so slowly that the MMC card's read speed is much less important?

I also used TT with a 2Mb/sec MMC card on the 6680 with no problems but the problems are apparent when the same card is used on the N70...

...I am now going to buy one of these 15Mb/Sec cards at £27 inc VAT and P&P... (see below)

Once I have the card installed, I will SHOW POI's, borrow a m8s GPS receiver, and perform some tests in Edinburgh where there's loads of POI's to display.
I will let you all know how I get on, probably early next week.



http://www.techfever.co.uk/products....&source=affwin


PEAK 512MB RS-MMC MOBILE XTREME 100x
Flash Memory>>SD/MMC
Type : Mobile Multimedia Memory Card
Size : 512MB
Model number: 2983ADPK
Weight: 0.01Kg

Special Features :
The Peak MMCmobile 4.0 Card is Based on an Advanced 13-pin Interface with Dual Voltage and is Designed to Meet the Requirements of Different Portable Audio & Video Consumer Devices. It can Operate at Voltages of 2.7V - 3.6V as Standard. It can also Operate at Voltages of 1.65V - 1.95V Which Most Cellular Phones Require.

Specifications:
Package Type : Retail
Capacity : 512MB
Interface : MMCmobile
Read Speed : 15MB/s
Write Speed : 8MB/s
Operation Voltage : 2.7V to 3.6V, 1.65V to 1.95V
Insertions : 10,000
Width : 18mm
Height : 24mm
Depth : 1.4mm

Package Contents:

MMC Adapter
Warranty: 5 Years
look here atp 150x and goldflash 132x do not buy kingston !
http://www.pc-memory-upgrade.co.uk/memory/dual-voltage-rsmmc.asp

Hi Guys,

I've just read the response from TT Customer services with regards to the Speed of the Memory Card and all that I can say is "what a stupid Pr*ck this guy is"

Are TomTom just pathetic or what ?

The Speed of the memory card will have absolutely nothing to do with the problem. There isn't any applications on the Pocket PC or Symbian phones that would use the full bandwith to communicate with the memory card. If that was the case, why wouldn't a 200k game start instantly or TT application start in approx 0.2 of a second ?

If there is a BIG ISSUE about the memory card working on a super fast Mobile with over 200Mhz of speed, How the hell would it work on a Pocket PC running at 624Mhz ?

In the world of programming when you read data, the program has to wait for the data to get read and then executes the next instruction, it doesn't usually matter how long the read takes i.e. if theres a few Milliseconds difference it isn't going to matter.

Theres prob a million other reasons for the Memory Card not to make any difference and I would be gob smacked if it turned out to be the problem.

I think TT have run out of idea and are now clutching at straws.

TT, WHAT A STUPID COMPANY !!!!

The Speed of the memory card will have absolutely nothing to do with the problem. There isn't any applications on the Pocket PC or Symbian phones that would use the full bandwith to communicate with the memory card. If that was the case, why wouldn't a 200k game start instantly or TT application start in approx 0.2 of a second ?

If there is a BIG ISSUE about the memory card working on a super fast Mobile with over 200Mhz of speed, How the hell would it work on a Pocket PC running at 624Mhz ?

In the world of programming when you read data, the program has to wait for the data to get read and then executes the next instruction, it doesn't usually matter how long the read takes i.e. if theres a few Milliseconds difference it isn't going to matter.

Theres prob a million other reasons for the Memory Card not to make any difference and I would be gob smacked if it turned out to be the problem.


Hi Ash,

Harsh words, lol! Perhaps partly justified considering how long TT have let this problem go on.

However, as an I.T. professional, 10 years of which was in programming, I have to say that the Memory Card read speed is the most reasonable explanation so far put forward by TT support for a problem which affects some N70 owners so badly and others not at all.

We all share the same handset hardware, and all network branded phones seem affected by the problem. Whilst I would highly recommend the FW 3.xxxx upgrade to all N70 owners, there do appear to be some FW 2.xxxx owners who have no major problems with TT.

The only 2 items of hardware which differ between users are the MMC and GPS receivers. Considering that TT's own GPS Receiver did not work any better with TT on the N70 than 3rd party GPS receivers, then all that remains is the MMC.

Whilst I agree in I.T. best-practice, that programmers SHOULD always check the status of read requests and check buffer levels on EVERY I/O operation, typically they do not do so - partly through laziness, partly through the assumption that I/O operations will always complete successfully and on-time, and also in an aim to produce smaller, faster and more efficient executables.

I have seen some amazing and unexpected issues over the years on relatively simple COBOL batch programs which did not check I/O status, and modern event-driven programs like TomTom are arguably far more complex in nature. Microsoft themselves release patches to fix buffer overflow problems almost every month, so we should not be too harsh on TT.

However, and in an attempt to prove or disprove the MMC query, I am upgrading from a 2Mb/sec MMC to a 15Mb/sec card and will do some tests with POI enabled.

Also, is there anyone out there experiencing the problems with POI's who has the following hardware...
1. N70 with FW 3.xxxx
2. Original TomTom Supplied MMC Card (which TT claim has read speed of 10Mb/sec)
3. Original TomTom GPS Receiver.
If anyone has all 3 of the above and still gets random 'No GPS RECEIVER' errors when using TomTom on the N70, then the MMC is unlikely to be the cause.

Cheers,
Dez

LOL, Sorry for the Harsh words Dez, it was late, and I just didn't like that answer from TT. To me it just seems that TT are looking for anyway out of this problem without addressing it.

From your explanation, it might seem that TT are lazy programmers, I can only hope they change there Coffee and step upto the challenge.

I look forward to seeing your results.

Cheers

Ash.

LOL, Sorry for the Harsh words Dez, it was late, and I just didn't like that answer from TT. To me it just seems that TT are looking for anyway out of this problem without addressing it.

Hi Ash,

I don't work for TT, so be as harsh as you feel neccessary, lol!
I was just trying to put forward a balanced view of their latest explanation.

My new MMC is in the mail, so hopefully this weekend I can borrow my m8's TT GPS Receiver and conduct some tests with lots of POI enabled.

Did some tests a few days ago (on slow MMC) with the Speed Camera set to 'Warn only when on route' and with my Motorola HS810 Headset in use. Did 2 hours driving, answered one call and not a single 'no GPS Device' error.

I still have to reboot the phone after closing TT if I want it to detect next time.

Dez

My findings are similar to the ones above - it is the POIs that cause the problem. My N70 (Orange) with tomtom 5.2 ran for only about 10 minutes with POIs enabled. With them disabled it ran for over an hour and I took several calls during that time.

I managed to break the screen on my nokia N70 so have to temporarily go back to my old SP-C500.

Im trying to get my TomTom from the MMC card onto the MiniSD card that the C500 uses.

Tomtom starts up fine but says "No Maps Found"

The map is in the correct place on the card, so have i missed something?

Probably a long shot but if anyone does know i would be grateful..

After searching many forums on this can anyone else confirm if when updating TomTom to v5.20 they have tried installing the N90 update?
This worked fine for a whole day but then when pear shaped.....
Im using N70 firmware V2.0539.1.2 19-10-05 RM-84..
Does anyone know what the lastest version is and if it resolved any issues..
Also problems connecting to other phones 6680 6630 6230i...
Thanks..............

Just to add my experiences to this, I received my Holux GPS receiver on Thursday (GPSlim 236) and having been running Tom Tom on every journey since.

I feel that there may be two seperate issues, one relating to losing GPS connectivity when the PocketGPS POI's are loaded and the other when coming back withing bluetooth range and creating the connection to the GPS - Im not sure these two are related.

In total Ive done about 6 hours of driving without the PocketGPS POI's installed (inc about 3 hours with a mate's original Tom Tom GPS receiver) and I never had a loss of GPS connection. This morning I installed the PocketGPS POI's (the seperate ones) and set them to warn only when on route yet within 10 minutes I had a dropped connection even though I was on a country road where Im fairly certain there would be no warnings anywhere close. I then disabled all POIs and immediately the connection came back without even exiting Tom Tom, but another 10 mins or so went past and it lost connection again. I then manually deleted all the pocketgps files and it ran fine for the reast of the journey, which in total was well over an hour. To me thats fairly conclusive that in my case at least, its the presence of the pocketgps files in the Tom Tom folder that causes issue, regardless of whether POIs are on or not. Next I'll try the single file version and see how it goes.

The other issue I had was one thats been experienced here before too, whereby when coming back to the car, it wouldnt reconnect to the GPS unit until I'd rebooted the phone. However, I think this only happened when the GPS unit was switched off manually (possibly before exiting Tom Tom), as most of the time it will say "No GPS Device" but as soon as I ask it to plan a route, within a few seconds it finds the GPS device and calculates the route, although on a couple of occasions I had to go into the GPS setup section of Tom Tom before it found the device. Im not sure if its coincidence or not, but all the niggles I had with connecting like this were in my girlfriends car (new Focus), Ive not experienced any of these connection issues in my Leon so is it possible its car specific somehow?

For info Im running the latest v3.0546.2.3 firmware and a Kingston 1Gb MMC.

Chris

hi,

i have followed this thread for while now. i have same sort of problems. i have latest v3 firmware. and as well as GPS drops and phone occasionally rebooting (sometime when receviing call) it also has problem when using speech recognition on the N70 (which i haven't seen posted before).
.
if you have TTM application running and you navigate to the main telephone menu then hold down the right selection key (which activates speech recognition), it should make sound and then you will see progress bar with "speak now". BUT with TTM running, if you try and activate speech recognition the phone is very slow to respond with both the tone and "speak time" progress bar. Well it does for me anyway. i originally noticed this problem using my BT headset and activating speech recognition via BT, but you don't even need the BT headset attached - just activating the speech recognition via the phone causes problems.
As soon as you exit TTM the phone springs to life and speech recognition commands appear on screen.

i'd be interested if anyone else has this specific problem. TT are currently investigating it for me. i'd be greatful for any test results back which i can pass to TT.

rob

ps: just got TTM 5.202 off TT and will test this with GPS this week. this 5.202 version still causes problems with voice recognition though so it definately doesn't sort everything out for me. anyone else have this voice recognition problem??

I've just changed my Kingston 512Mb MMC (8Mb/s) for a Peak 512Mb MMC (15Mb/s) and there was no difference in the reliability with POI's switched on so i think that the card speed issue is not a cause of the problem, once you are approching the TomTom recomedned speed of 10Mb/s

Just to add, Ive tried it for about an hour and a half today with the single file PocketGPS camera database and it worked fine, no hangs etc. Is it possible that when there's 4 or 5 seperate ov2 files in the map folder, that Tom Tom for some reason can't read all of them quickly enough and so causes a wobbly? Ovbiously this is an N70 specific thing though, so possibly the way the N70 pulls data off the memory card?

Im not sure its worth looking too far into the card read speed issue because I assume Tom Tom are suggesting this as a potential fix for when people have issues with straight out the box vanilla Tom Tom (without PocketGPS databases etc which the'll never warrant it working with). In most cases on here it appears that without the PocketGPS data, there's very few problems anyway. I doubt Tom Tom would have tested and troubleshooted adding 3rd party add-ons, so are unlikely to know the fix, but even if they do they are unlikely to tell anyone seeing as they have a chargeable rival product they would prefer you to use!

Chris

After searching many forums on this can anyone else confirm if when updating TomTom to v5.20 they have tried installing the N90 update?
This worked fine for a whole day but then when pear shaped.....
Im using N70 firmware V2.0539.1.2 19-10-05 RM-84..
Does anyone know what the lastest version is and if it resolved any issues..
Also problems connecting to other phones 6680 6630 6230i...
Thanks..............

Hi,

TomTom Support informed me the N90 install routine is compatible with the N70.
You could do with a Fiurmware upgrade to V3.xxxx which should be free.

You will also find TomTom more stable on the N70 if you HIDE POI's.

Cheers,
Dez

Just to add, Ive tried it for about an hour and a half today with the single file PocketGPS camera database and it worked fine, no hangs etc. Is it possible that when there's 4 or 5 seperate ov2 files in the map folder, that Tom Tom for some reason can't read all of them quickly enough and so causes a wobbly? Ovbiously this is an N70 specific thing though, so possibly the way the N70 pulls data off the memory card?
Chris

Hi Chris,

As per my postings earlier in the week, I replaced my old 2.5Mb/sec MMC card with a 15Mb/sec one and did some more testing relating to the POI question.

Test 1
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With all POI disabled and only the SINGLE PocketGPS (large file) set to 'Warn only on Route', Tom Tom is 100% stable for me - (3 hours driving, city/country)

Test 2
--------
With 13 (!) POI's selected and SHOW POI enabled, TomTom's 3D screen updates dropped to approximately 1/2 their normal speed, and the entire phone locked up within 5-10 minutes, then a few minutes later the N70 rebooted itself.

Test 3
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With 1 POI selected ('Petrol Stations ALL'), SHOW POI enabled, and the Large PocketGPS POI set to 'Warn only on route', TomTom was again stable on my system. (same 3hr route as used in Test 1)

So far, the theory holds true that too many POI's enabled will make TT and/or N70 unstable by using up too high CPU or Memory bandwidth.
The principle is that the slower your MMC card's read/write speed, the less POI's can be in use before TomTom crashes. N70 Firmware 3.xxxx is also advisable.

More testing next weekend. ;)


Dez

dez, locoblade, gary cat,

can any of you see if you can activate speech recognition on your N70 with TTM running. you don't have to connect it to GPS, just start TTM application.
i surely can't be the only person with this additional problem?

cheers,
rob

Hi Dez

Ive just checked and this afternoon with the single PockeGPS file installed I had 10 POI's enabled in all (the same as yesterday's 2 hour drive without any PocketGPS files), initally with camera warnings on route only, but on the way home tonight I had it switched on to always warn regardless of whether on route or not. I didnt actually go past any camera sites but it ran for the 40+ min journey without fault, much longer than I managed with the seperate PocketGPS setup, so my feeling is that its more likely related to the multi file version of PocketGPS than it is to POI's in general, in my case at least.

cheers

Chris

dez, locoblade, gary cat,

can any of you see if you can activate speech recognition on your N70 with TTM running. you don't have to connect it to GPS, just start TTM application.
i surely can't be the only person with this additional problem?

cheers,
rob

well unable to activate it while TTM runs (even without any GPS or bluetooth activated), and if I try to activate it while connected to my HS-26 the whole phone hangs and have to restart.

TT software is definitely wrong somewhere !!!!!!!!!!!

Im not sure its worth looking too far into the card read speed issue because I assume Tom Tom are suggesting this as a potential fix for when people have issues with straight out the box vanilla Tom Tom (without PocketGPS databases etc which the'll never warrant it working with). In most cases on here it appears that without the PocketGPS data, there's very few problems

Thats not entirely accurate...... The reason I started this thread was to research a fix for "straight out the box vanilla Tom Tom" I had problems with tom tom from the very beginning, with only tom tom POIs on the card. It still crashed and dropped the GPS connection just as frequent as when i started to use PocketGPS POIs.

Im not sure its worth looking too far into the card read speed issue because I assume Tom Tom are suggesting this as a potential fix for when people have issues with straight out the box vanilla Tom Tom (without PocketGPS databases etc which the'll never warrant it working with). In most cases on here it appears that without the PocketGPS data, there's very few problems

Thats not entirely accurate...... The reason I started this thread was to research a fix for "straight out the box vanilla Tom Tom" I had problems with tom tom from the very beginning, with only tom tom POIs on the card. It still crashed and dropped the GPS connection just as frequent as when i started to use PocketGPS POIs.

bluestar, thanks for reply - i presume eveyone has this speech recognition problem??

i think it's best to focus on the speech recognition problem as it removes other factors (eg. your BT GPS unit and you can even remove MMC factor if you install the TTM application on the N70 internal memory). at least this way TT can't deny the problem or blame another factor. i'm not having a go at TT i'm sure they'll get there in the end.

i've tested TTM on the N70 internal memory (you obviously can't have maps installed but it will start without MMC even in the phone) and it still causes immediate problems activating speech recognition, so there must be direct problem with TTM application.

anyway i was sent a vesion from TT a few days ago which has N70 choice on the menu and the application is version 5.202. it doesn't improve anything though.

i don't know if speech recognition problem and GPS drops are related but the speech recognition/using BT headset is much more frustrating than occasional GPS drops (not that i want them either though!!).

i'm sure we'll get there!

hi,

i have followed this thread for while now. i have same sort of problems. i have latest v3 firmware. and as well as GPS drops and phone occasionally rebooting (sometime when receviing call) it also has problem when using speech recognition on the N70 (which i haven't seen posted before).
.
if you have TTM application running and you navigate to the main telephone menu then hold down the right selection key (which activates speech recognition), it should make sound and then you will see progress bar with "speak now". BUT with TTM running, if you try and activate speech recognition the phone is very slow to respond with both the tone and "speak time" progress bar. Well it does for me anyway. i originally noticed this problem using my BT headset and activating speech recognition via BT, but you don't even need the BT headset attached - just activating the speech recognition via the phone causes problems.
As soon as you exit TTM the phone springs to life and speech recognition commands appear on screen.

i'd be interested if anyone else has this specific problem. TT are currently investigating it for me. i'd be greatful for any test results back which i can pass to TT.

rob

ps: just got TTM 5.202 off TT and will test this with GPS this week. this 5.202 version still causes problems with voice recognition though so it definately doesn't sort everything out for me. anyone else have this voice recognition problem??
Hi not sure how you have found the 5.202 update as i just visited Tomtom site and the only upgrade was for 5.20

Thats not entirely accurate...... The reason I started this thread was to research a fix for "straight out the box vanilla Tom Tom" I had problems with tom tom from the very beginning, with only tom tom POIs on the card. It still crashed and dropped the GPS connection just as frequent as when i started to use PocketGPS POIs.
Hi so your saying you have the purchased speed camera database from Tomtom and its still causing the problem?

I do hope you have mailed tomtom suport to ask for it to be fixed in the next update.

As they are claiming its only happening with 3rd party poi's.
Thanks

i was sent the 5.202 update by TT to try out. it's not on their website. it's clearly a different application (i compared it to the TTM 5.20 application) but it doesn't sort things out though.

bluestar, thanks for reply - i presume eveyone has this speech recognition problem??

i think it's best to focus on the speech recognition problem as it removes other factors (eg. your BT GPS unit and you can even remove MMC factor if you install the TTM application on the N70 internal memory). at least this way TT can't deny the problem or blame another factor. i'm not having a go at TT i'm sure they'll get there in the end.

i've tested TTM on the N70 internal memory (you obviously can't have maps installed but it will start without MMC even in the phone) and it still causes immediate problems activating speech recognition, so there must be direct problem with TTM application.

anyway i was sent a vesion from TT a few days ago which has N70 choice on the menu and the application is version 5.202. it doesn't improve anything though.

i don't know if speech recognition problem and GPS drops are related but the speech recognition/using BT headset is much more frustrating than occasional GPS drops (not that i want them either though!!).

i'm sure we'll get there!


You would say we concentrate on speech recognition?

I would say not....

For this reason....
We are trying to get TOMTOM working on our mobiles at the same standard as stand alone TOMTOM devices these run the speed camera database which is Much MORE important then some silly speech recognition that none of us lot seem to have been trying. we are simply trying to get the software running in its standard form ..Ie not crashing not loosing the gps device and trying to get the POI's working.


Try a new topic on say
N70 and tomtom speech recognition you might find its going to get a detailed answer.
THANKS.

You would say we concentrate on speech recognition?

I would say not....

For this reason....
We are trying to get TOMTOM working on our mobiles at the same standard as stand alone TOMTOM devices these run the speed camera database which is Much MORE important then some silly speech recognition that none of us lot seem to have been trying. we are simply trying to get the software running in its standard form ..Ie not crashing not loosing the gps device and trying to get the POI's working.


Try a new topic on say
N70 and tomtom speech recognition you might find its going to get a detailed answer.
THANKS.

you're entitled to your opinion. with the latest firmware my gps drops are every hour or so (and quickly solved by selecting BT again). making and receiving calls with BT headset is more of a pain for me. anyway i'm sure it all relates to the same thing.

i've had much more interest from TT with the speech recognition problem as it removes other variables (namely GPS and MMC). if they sort out a stable TT application then it will handle all the POIs just like the other TT devices.

all i'm asking is does anyone else get the speech recognition problem. it's a simple test to do (and i don't think it's off the topic of this thread).
a simple yes or no will suffice :)

Just puchased a high sped card 132x its still given me the same problems with the speed zoned files, does any one have any old speed camera files that are genuine tomtom that they can mail me.... i dont care if they are old i just want to try theirs so i can contact tomtom over the next matter.
Thanks

crazyjlondon@hotmail.com

yes speech recognition problems with two N70 and TomTom

yes speech recognition problems with two N70 and TomTom

thanks bluestar,

i just wanted to make sure it wasn't just me, which it clearly isn't.

crazyjlondon, i'll let you get back to discussing GPS drops, 3rd party POIs etc.

i'll let you know if i get a stable version from TT.

:)

Hi all,

Just thought I would mention, I downloaded and installed the latest 'Great Britain Plus' V6.32 maps for TomTom.

The GB maps are now over 200Mb in size (more than double the 5.60 version), but have had no affects - good or bad - on the stability of TomTom 5.20 on the N70.

Registered users can safely install the latest maps with no adverse affects.

Cheers,
Dez

Some more updates from me, apologies if people have found similar but Ive not read the entire thread for several weeks now so cant remember.

Anyway, last night having had a totally reliable TT for about 6 hours+ use, I installed a few other 3rd party POI databases (eg the McDonalds one etc, not other speed camerea POIs), including one I created myself in WinOV2. Suprise suprise within 15 mins of leaving home this morning, I lost GPS connection. It happened again within another 5-10 mins so I unselected all the 3rd party POIs apart from the single file camera database (which has worked fine for hours previously) but 3 more times on the 30 min journey home it bombed out again.

However, I have yet to need to reboot my phone or even exit Tom Tom to regain the connection, I simply go into the GPS Setup within Tom Tom (where it shows you all the satellite strengths) and within 20s the graphs will turn blue again and reconnect, and be OK again (for 5-10mins). I also sometimes need to do this when first getting in the car otherwise TT sits there saying no GPS.

So, the conclusion I am coming to is that Tom Tom on the V70 possibly doesnt like more than one ov2 file in the map folder at any one time? I will delete the POI files tonight and try two ov2's tomorrow to see how that goes, and gradually add them until it starts crashing again

Yep i must admit thats the only way i can get my tomtom with speed cameras working i have to delete the files from the memory card to get correct function.
So looks like i am stuck with single filed versions.
I am still hoping to find someone who has a N70 with tomtoms genuine speed camera data base files the ones that they sell, as after puchasing my 2nd memory card i am money down and no way going to buy the speed camera files from Tomtom to find that they dont work either.

Any one got any Genuine tomtom speed files?

Thanks all

Mine is working fine now... Thnx to your tips.

(:o sorry for my bad english:o )

- before I start i reboot my phone
- I unchecked all point of interests
- I don't navigate in de map view; but with the arrows. (Bleu screen with white arrow)

Before i create a new route i change to map view...(than tt will find gps position; in the map view it will not)

I drove about 20 hours without any problems...

(:frown: sorry for the bad english:frown: )

before i tried it with the speedcamera files, but than it will crash every time

I have the old firmware: the 2.xxxx version. Here in Holland the firmware upgrade is for free at the nokia service points.

I was wondering if anyone has tried multiple POI's made with TomTom's own MakeOV2.exe app, rather than using ones presumably made mostly with WinOV2?

I know TT dont offer any warranty or guarantees with the tools, but they do promote the self creation of POI's as a feature of Tom Tom, so if you go to them saying it doesnt work with POIs generated with their own tools, they can hardly come back with the "not supported with 3rd party add-ons" type response.

Having said that I wouldnt be suprised if WinOV2 utilised TomTom's executables to generate its files anyway, in which case this is a red herring.

I was wondering if anyone has tried multiple POI's made with TomTom's own MakeOV2.exe app, rather than using ones presumably made mostly with WinOV2?

I know TT dont offer any warranty or guarantees with the tools, but they do promote the self creation of POI's as a feature of Tom Tom, so if you go to them saying it doesnt work with POIs generated with their own tools, they can hardly come back with the "not supported with 3rd party add-ons" type response.

Having said that I wouldnt be suprised if WinOV2 utilised TomTom's executables to generate its files anyway, in which case this is a red herring.Hi do you know of people that have purchased the original tomtom ones?
do you have any ? and can you tell me about the MakeOV2.exe app ?
Thanks Jason

I dont know anybody with any original Tom Tom GPS POIs unfortunately but MakeOV2 is available as part of OVTools on the TomTom website here (http://www.tomtom.com/support/ce/support/nav_poi.php), it converts a text file (.asc usually) with co-ordinates in it into an ov2 file you can put into TomTom, and creates a default bitmap file to use as the icon (which you can replace with a more relevent picture if you like).

As a test Ive extracted the multi file PocketGPS ov2 files into plain text asc files, then converted them back into ov2 files using Tom Tom's own MakeOV2.exe to see if it makes any difference.

Chris

I dont know anybody with any original Tom Tom GPS POIs unfortunately but MakeOV2 is available as part of OVTools on the TomTom website here (http://www.tomtom.com/support/ce/support/nav_poi.php), it converts a text file (.asc usually) with co-ordinates in it into an ov2 file you can put into TomTom, and creates a default bitmap file to use as the icon (which you can replace with a more relevent picture if you like).

As a test Ive extracted the multi file PocketGPS ov2 files into plain text asc files, then converted them back into ov2 files using Tom Tom's own MakeOV2.exe to see if it makes any difference.

Chris
Hi Chris does that mean you have compiled the red light features as well into one file?
i tried that program from tomtom it was a little confusing.
Thanks Jason

I havent compiled them into one file, all Ive done at the moment is recompiled them back into the same 5 files but using Tom Tom's makeOV2.exe rather than the unknown way that PocketGPS use to create them.

You should be able to compile them all into one file though, all you do is use DumpOV2 (the other exe that comes with the TomTom download) to extract all the various PocketGPS camera sites into .asc files, then copy and paste all the .asc files into one large .asc file, then run MakeOV2 to compile the large .asc file back into a single .ov2

There' s a readme text file that explains exactly how to use the executables but basically you'd put the two executables plus the pocketgps ov2 files into a single folder, then just double click on dumpov2 - this will look for all ov2 files in that folder and convert them to .asc which are just plain text files with a long list of co-ordinates and names which you could write by scratch if you wanted to (for example 0.258806,51.360630,"Brands Hatch - Kent" is one line I had in a file I was compiling, giving the lon/lat and name of the POI. As an aside, you can get all the lon/lat information from multimap etc if you want to create your own POIs.

Open up all the .asc files in notepad and copy/paste all the data into one single file, then save it as say "allcameras.asc". Now bring up a DOS box, browse to the folder where all these files reside, then type "makeov2 allcameras.asc" and click enter. It should then create you a file called "allcameras.ov2" and "allcameras.bmp". To finish off, delete the .bmp file and copy one of the gatso bmp files that pocketgps supply, then rename it to allcameras.bmp, then copy both files into your map directory as normal.

Like I said, this may be a red herring but if it still happens after this, then TomTom cannot say that its 3rd party POI's causing the issue because its all been compiled using their software.

HTH

Chris

I havent compiled them into one file, all Ive done at the moment is recompiled them back into the same 5 files but using Tom Tom's makeOV2.exe rather than the unknown way that PocketGPS use to create them.

You should be able to compile them all into one file though, all you do is use DumpOV2 (the other exe that comes with the TomTom download) to extract all the various PocketGPS camera sites into .asc files, then copy and paste all the .asc files into one large .asc file, then run MakeOV2 to compile the large .asc file back into a single .ov2

There' s a readme text file that explains exactly how to use the executables but basically you'd put the two executables plus the pocketgps ov2 files into a single folder, then just double click on dumpov2 - this will look for all ov2 files in that folder and convert them to .asc which are just plain text files with a long list of co-ordinates and names which you could write by scratch if you wanted to (for example 0.258806,51.360630,"Brands Hatch - Kent" is one line I had in a file I was compiling, giving the lon/lat and name of the POI. As an aside, you can get all the lon/lat information from multimap etc if you want to create your own POIs.

Open up all the .asc files in notepad and copy/paste all the data into one single file, then save it as say "allcameras.asc". Now bring up a DOS box, browse to the folder where all these files reside, then type "makeov2 allcameras.asc" and click enter. It should then create you a file called "allcameras.ov2" and "allcameras.bmp". To finish off, delete the .bmp file and copy one of the gatso bmp files that pocketgps supply, then rename it to allcameras.bmp, then copy both files into your map directory as normal.

Like I said, this may be a red herring but if it still happens after this, then TomTom cannot say that its 3rd party POI's causing the issue because its all been compiled using their software.

HTH

Chris
Hi Chris do you have your compiled files i can test too ?
Crazyjlondon@hotmail.com
Thanks.

Email sent :)

Well, a tentative fingers crossed so far for the multiple file PocketGPS files that I recompiled, I had them installed and activated (warnings on and not just on route) for my 20 mile / 35 min journey into work this evening and no sign of a GPS drop, compare that to yesterday with the other POI's on the same journey where it dropped twice in one direction, and 3 more times on the way home, and the fact I couldnt go for more than 10 mins without the original PocketGPS POIs when I had them installed over the weekend.

Obviously Im tempting fate here and I need to test a lot more before being confident they are any better, so if anyone else wants the files to test then let me know.

Chris

Email sent :)

Well, a tentative fingers crossed so far for the multiple file PocketGPS files that I recompiled, I had them installed and activated (warnings on and not just on route) for my 20 mile / 35 min journey into work this evening and no sign of a GPS drop, compare that to yesterday with the other POI's on the same journey where it dropped twice in one direction, and 3 more times on the way home, and the fact I couldnt go for more than 10 mins without the original PocketGPS POIs when I had them installed over the weekend.

Obviously Im tempting fate here and I need to test a lot more before being confident they are any better, so if anyone else wants the files to test then let me know.

Chris
Hi Chris just installing them now thanks

Yes please Chris (aka locoblade).... kevs355@yahoo.com :)

THANX!

Obviously Im tempting fate here and I need to test a lot more before being confident they are any better, so if anyone else wants the files to test then let me know.

Chris

Yes please. email to gary@connec2.co.uk

Thanks.

Email sent :)

Well, a tentative fingers crossed so far for the multiple file PocketGPS files that I recompiled, I had them installed and activated (warnings on and not just on route) for my 20 mile / 35 min journey into work this evening and no sign of a GPS drop, compare that to yesterday with the other POI's on the same journey where it dropped twice in one direction, and 3 more times on the way home, and the fact I couldnt go for more than 10 mins without the original PocketGPS POIs when I had them installed over the weekend.

Obviously Im tempting fate here and I need to test a lot more before being confident they are any better, so if anyone else wants the files to test then let me know.

Chris
yea can i have them to try aswel chris yea a_star100@hotmail.com
cheers

Count me in too please mate :icon2: mattk1uk@hotmail.com Thanks :icon14:

Hi all i tried them red light, specs , gatso, combination and it crashed big style rebooting the phone ever few seconds then it was crashing while trying to select warnings for the poi's ...it worked for about 10 mins then lost the gps and crashed, so i tried the ALL CAMERAS file and that seems ok,
so looks like the n70 simply cannot read more than 1 custom speed cameras.
sad how much the n70 sucks.

My findings were the same as crazyjlondon but it did work for about 40 minutes and then 10 minutes after a reboot. Deleting the files restored it to reliable use.

I have installed both the individual zoned POIs as well as the Single file version. I have tomtom alert me about both off and on route zoned POIs but I have only enabled the single POI and I have told tomtom to display POIs. This leaves me with all speed cameras visible on the map albeit only the generic camera image. However when in close proximity to a camera it warns me both with the appropriate "zoned" audio and visual indication. Tomtom seems totally stable and the slowdown due to the POI being enabled is barely noticeable.

Cheers for everyone that contacted me to try them, but they dont appear to be any better :(

I suffered the same fate, it worked for about 45 mins fine but has gradually got worse, yesterday I had one single bomb out (the first) then today it bombed out about 4 times on the way home (30 min drive), although Im still yet to need a reboot to reconnect unlike some need to.

At least this proves one thing, that its not 3rd party POIs that it doesnt like, its ANY added on POIs regardless of how they were generated, even ones generated with TomTom's own app. The fact that it still bombs out with TomTom generated POIs should give those that have a support call open with TomTom some additional ammunition to get them to fix it though.

Another point on this thread, I have had all the problems you are experiencing too, runs a lot better with just the single file speed camera file and seems much more stable if you disable all the info in the status bar ie the remaining time, distance,arrival time,current time, street name, speed. access it by menu-change preferences-status bar preferences
Seems like the less tomtom has to do in the N70 the better it is.
Give it a try and let us know your results
I'm still on version 2 by the way not version 3

Ive had it running fine with everything else switched on (10 other inbuilt POIs etc) plus the single PocketGPS POI file, so I'm just going to stick with that for now I think. Its not really the point though is it, if TT say its fully compatible then you should be able to run it to its full capacity with everything switched on and multiple ov2 POI files added, you shouldnt need to tweak and turn bits off etc just to get it to work half reliably.

Chris

if TT say its fully compatible then you should be able to run it to its full capacity with everything switched on and multiple ov2 POI files added, you shouldnt need to tweak and turn bits off etc just to get it to work half reliably.

Chris
I agree 100% but as it sems its not "really" compatible we have to do these things to get it to work at all :)

Hello.

First of all, sorry for my bad english, i m french ...

So i m a pretty new user of the N70 :p

I'would like to know if some one can resume this thread, in order to tell what i have to do to have a working TomTom on my phone please ?

So, which firmware ? which version of TomTom ? What do i have exactly to activate / or not in tomtom software ? Does any Gps receiver works correctly ?

Thanks for all :redface:

Resume of my configuration.
Nokia N70
SFR operator
v 2.0539.1.2 RM - 84 19-10-05

I just try tomtom mobile v5.00 (not a really legal version :p) it seems to work, even if the soft seems to works, the screen is really "trouble"

Hi Pitiyo

There's probably no clear answer because most of us seem to have had varying results.

Personally, Ive found that TomTom works fine as long as you don't add any 3rd party POIs. It also seems to work fine if you only add one 3rd party POI file but gets upset when you start adding multiple ones.

This is with the latest firmware v3.xxx and a Holux GPSlim 236 GPS unit.



However, I now don't actually believe that TomTom is at fault though. I installed GPS Cyclemaster (as discussed in another thread "Free Mapping Software") and downloaded some maps directly from the OS website (the UK's official mapping agency), and when you put the app into map mode it scrolls the jpg maps to show you your location. Suprise suprise after about 10 minutes of this in the car, it drops the bluetooth connection. I also seem to recall someone mentioning similar things happen with Route66?

So, the conclusion Im rapidly coming to is that its Nokia at fault after all. I dont think it can be the actual processor load issue that some have mentioned as a possibility because the N70 is at least twice as powerful as some other S60 phones that run these apps fine, but what Im thinking maybe is that the phone doesnt give the bluetooth threads / processes a high enough priority, so when the going gets tough for the CPU, the bluetooth processes get shoved to the bottom of the processing list and so it causes an issue.

If this theory is correct (and it probably isnt :tongue: ) I was wondering if anyone knew if / how you can up the priority on certain processes like you can with windows processes? Ive looked using taskpsy and can't see anything, but I guess there may be a way?

Chris

Hi Pitiyo / all

sounds like Locoblade is right - different people are getting different results.

I would say though do not get a BT-77 GPS reciever - I have this and the same firmware as yourself (2.0539.1.2 RM - 84 19-10-05) and the drop out's are shocking. Lots of people are talking about 10 / 20 minutes or more of working fine - I am lucky if I get 2 streets without the bluetooth dropping.

I have removed all my pocketgps poi files and at least the phone does not crash / hang all the time now but TOM TOM is unuseable. It does re-establish the connection on it's own but that takes about 20 seconds or so - probably meaning you've alreay missed your turn!

My brother has an N70 with v3.xx firware and when a I get a mo I will test my reciever with his phone and vica versa - his is an X50 GPS (or something like that). I hope a firmware update alone will improve things on my phone.

Has anyone got the BT-77 reciever working with N70 and new / old firware?


Nig

Hi Pitiyo

There's probably no clear answer because most of us seem to have had varying results.

Personally, Ive found that TomTom works fine as long as you don't add any 3rd party POIs. It also seems to work fine if you only add one 3rd party POI file but gets upset when you start adding multiple ones.

This is with the latest firmware v3.xxx and a Holux GPSlim 236 GPS unit.



However, I now don't actually believe that TomTom is at fault though. I installed GPS Cyclemaster (as discussed in another thread "Free Mapping Software") and downloaded some maps directly from the OS website (the UK's official mapping agency), and when you put the app into map mode it scrolls the jpg maps to show you your location. Suprise suprise after about 10 minutes of this in the car, it drops the bluetooth connection. I also seem to recall someone mentioning similar things happen with Route66?

So, the conclusion Im rapidly coming to is that its Nokia at fault after all. I dont think it can be the actual processor load issue that some have mentioned as a possibility because the N70 is at least twice as powerful as some other S60 phones that run these apps fine, but what Im thinking maybe is that the phone doesnt give the bluetooth threads / processes a high enough priority, so when the going gets tough for the CPU, the bluetooth processes get shoved to the bottom of the processing list and so it causes an issue.

If this theory is correct (and it probably isnt :tongue: ) I was wondering if anyone knew if / how you can up the priority on certain processes like you can with windows processes? Ive looked using taskpsy and can't see anything, but I guess there may be a way?

Chris

Interesting... I had my N70 working fine for at least 2 hours with GPSCyclemaster and an old tomtom GPS unit when walking in the lake district recently ... was very impressed !!!

That was b4 I updated my firmware... not one drop worked flawlessly...

So, the conclusion Im rapidly coming to is that its Nokia at fault after all. I dont think it can be the actual processor load issue that some have mentioned as a possibility because the N70 is at least twice as powerful as some other S60 phones that run these apps fine, but what Im thinking maybe is that the phone doesnt give the bluetooth threads / processes a high enough priority, so when the going gets tough for the CPU, the bluetooth processes get shoved to the bottom of the processing list and so it causes an issue.

If this theory is correct (and it probably isnt :tongue: ) I was wondering if anyone knew if / how you can up the priority on certain processes like you can with windows processes? Ive looked using taskpsy and can't see anything, but I guess there may be a way?

Chris

I fully agree with you Locoblade, and in fact I have been able to test that during the last 3 weeks with my N70 upgraded to an internal Nokia beta firmware relase v4.0603.2.0.3

The TT behaviour is now better since for example allows me to switch the voice orders to a Blutooth handsfree in my car whereas with V3 or V2 FW it was impossible (TT crashed after minutes working in such mode).

Regarding the usage of tT with single files of speed cameras activated, I've seen also an improvement but still works not perfectly. Now the TT doesn't crash and blocks the N70, but it when I am near a PoI (not all, only some of them) I see like a delay in the TT position, whcih returns to normality after a few seconds. I need to check if the behaviour is the same with the common files of the speed cameras but definitely thN70 is much better than before.

On top of these BT enhancements I have seen others specially regarding the videocalls. Now it is possible to videocall directly when dialing using the right sof key which now is enabled as Videocall.

Summarising, I fully support the idea that Nokia has something to do with all those issues we all have experienced when wotking with TomTom 5.20

Hey guyz i got n70 on 3g want to send it abroad. any one plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz help me to unlock it. it does not accept any other sim in abroad. plz help me alot of tnQs in advance.
mail me :
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Hi Everyone :icon14:

I'm having the same trouble With Nokia N70 v3.xxx & TT5 v5.20

My bluetooth connection cuts out after about 15 to 20 mins with the multi pocketgps poi :frown:

I'm going to try the single file pocketgps poi & see how that goes (Thanks to you all) :)

I don't know if this is of any help, but i have noticed that my bluetooth connection to the gps dose seam to go down my when my N70 goes onto 3G off GSM :mad:

I'll try setting it to just GSM, & get back to you :icon14:

I found I could get an hour out of tomtom 5.20 with the latest firmware. Once the bluetooth dropped (headset and gps) I could start it off again by switching bluetooth off and on on the N70 however it would only then be a few mins before losing it again whereas a reboot would earn me another hour.

I use the speed categorised camera dbase from pocketgpsworld although I have all POIs disabled execept warnings for cameras.

I have always been convinced that this is a bluetooth issue for Nokia as musch as a TomTom problem.

Hi all,
Dont mean to p*ss anyone off but i am using tt5 with speed camaras and all poi activated with a Globsat BT-338 and once connected it stays that way until i switch it off, only posted this cause i cant see anyone else mentioning the BT_338. TT5.000 (419), GPS Driver v1.20, Great Britain Map v605, BT-338 s/w v3.11:icon14:

handsome_ilyas - try and ask your question somewhere else - you may get a better response!

Tested tonight with genuine TomTom silver GPS (9821x) reciever and had much better results. Seemed fairly stable on first trip but needed a reboot of phone to re-establish bluetooth connection.

In summary...

N70 + BT77 GPS + FW - 2.0539.1.2 RM - 84 19-10-05 = dropouts every minute or so :frown: - unusable

N70 + Silver TomTom GPS (9821x) + FW - 2.0539.1.2 RM - 84 19-10-05 = stable (ish) :rolleyes: but required restart of phone to re-establish bluetooth.

I know people have different opinions of what is wrong but it seems to me that there is more than one problem. If my phone phone works much better with one GPS than the other then something other than TomTom or Nokia alone is at fault! FYI -tried my GPS receiver (BT-77) with 6600 and worked fine!

And going back somewhat to a post about bad performance with voice recognition docrob stated he had bad voice recognition problems. I totally agree with crazyjlondon saying TomTom or sat nav is more important than silly voice recognition (who uses that anyway?) BUT the point I think was that the phone handled voice recognition fine when not in TomTom but faled badly when in TomTom - leading one to think there could be a resourse hog within the TomTom software - or maybe within the way the N70 allocates stuff.


Sorry - kind of ranting now - beer has been consumed (but doesn't change the facts!)

Nig

Hi all, just thought I'd add my experience from testing Tom Tom on my own very new (last week) N70.

Having ordered an upgrade to N70, one of the major factors was being able to run Tom Tom, so imagine my horror once I had commited to another 12month contract, got the phone THEN AND ONLY THEN did I chance upon this well informed forum...

After a few days of testing my experiences are list this:

Kit:
NOKIA N70 running latest o2 firmware
TOM TOM 5.2 Mobile
SilverShield bluetooth 16 channel GPS Receiver (£40 on eBay)

Test 1)
Running all POI's, paired through Bluetooth, 15 minute journey around Leeds.

Result)
Took a long, long time to acquire satelites, once running all was well for about 10mins when after hitting a few Speed Camera's etc. phone loses GPS Receiver and refuses to re-connect... not good.

Test 2)
A full run from Leeds to Liverpool & back (damn passport renewal, good way of testing sat nav) I now let Tom Tom pair itself having deleted any previous bluetooth pairings. Disable all POI's, using only the ALERT if Speed Camera POI is on route method, ensure I reboot phone prior to launching Tom Tom.

Result)
Not once did it lose the Receiver (in over 4hours) well actually it did my return journey under a tunnel on Leeds ringroad (which you would expect) on emerging at the otherside it reconnected itself with no problem at all. Also received several phone calls & texts, all answered while Tom Tom was running with NO problems at all.

Conclusion)
Run latest firmware... Reboot Phone BEFORE launching Tom Tom... Disable POI's (apart from Speed Cam on route)... Update to Tom Tom 5.20... Let Tom Tom pair itself with the receiver... Interestingly I found that it acquired a signal much faster if I actually had Bluetooth switched off on the Phone before lauching Tom Tom, which once open will ask if you want to switch on Bluetooth.

As agreed with everyone else its a shame you can have all the POI's running but frankly I can live without knowing where the nearest McDonalds etc is - if it means I can have reliable Sat Nav.

Not entirely sure what is at fault, my thinking being its either a software memory leak from the application, which it can't recorrect when the POI's are running or some kind of odd conflict between the POI's and Bluetooth.

not conclusive but just my two'penneth worth.

Test 2)
A full run from Leeds to Liverpool & back (damn passport renewal, good way of testing sat nav) I now let Tom Tom pair itself having deleted any previous bluetooth pairings. Disable all POI's, using only the ALERT if Speed Camera POI is on route method, ensure I reboot phone prior to launching Tom Tom.

Result)
Not once did it lose the Receiver (in over 4hours) well actually it did my return journey under a tunnel on Leeds ringroad (which you would expect) on emerging at the otherside it reconnected itself with no problem at all. Also received several phone calls & texts, all answered while Tom Tom was running with NO problems at all.

Conclusion)
Run latest firmware... Reboot Phone BEFORE launching Tom Tom... Disable POI's (apart from Speed Cam on route)... Update to Tom Tom 5.20... Let Tom Tom pair itself with the receiver...

Hi,

Glad to hear you are using the same settings and conditions as me, and with the same results. I have not had a bluetooth error for several months using the above method. I assume you also got your passport successfully?

Cheers,
Dez

Hi,

Glad to hear you are using the same settings and conditions as me, and with the same results. I have not had a bluetooth error for several months using the above method. I assume you also got your passport successfully?

Cheers,
Dez


Hi Dez,

yes new passport in pocket thanks (only after a 4hour wait though)... off to Barcelona tomorrow for a 5 day break, me'thinks it might just be time to test out Tom Tom 5's European Maps (Much to my girlfriends annoyance no doubt.)

I know my way around the city well - so it'll be interesting to see how it works in Espanol.

Will report end of next week.

Cheers
Nick

Interesting... I had my N70 working fine for at least 2 hours with GPSCyclemaster and an old tomtom GPS unit when walking in the lake district recently ... was very impressed !!!

That was b4 I updated my firmware... not one drop worked flawlessly...

I have a feeling it is to do with the speed that the phone has to update the screen amongst other things, because I used GPS Cyclemaster for a couple of hours when on a bike ride and it ran fine, and likewise when snowboarding last week albeit without any maps loaded (GPS verified 38.1mph :o ), but when I ran it in the car with the maps showing so its having to scroll the maps quickly, it dropped. It only did it once so I can't verify, but the drop did happen at about 60mph so the maps were having to scroll quite quickly at the large scale setting.

Try loading up some maps that will cover a reasonable car journey and see if its still stable when you're doing car speeds.

Chris

Does anyone have Tomtom5.2 working with a N70 and 3.0xxxx firmware? I can't get it working. Route66 has also the same problem of losing the BT conncection every couple of minutes. So it seems to be a Nokia problem.

I just called Nokia (holland) and explained the problem. But all they say is to get in contact with my the gps receivers helpdesk. They have to fix it. They say that this is not a Nokia problem. But when I say that this is strange because nobody (all different GPS receivers) can get it working they say they only support the Nokia GPS device (LD-1W) GPS BT Receiver. Arggghhhh....

Does anyone confirm that Tomtom is working with the LD-1W GPS device?

I've just replaced my ADAPT AD-300 GPS receiver for a Tomtom Sirf III receiver. And now is everything working fine (till now).

OK i have just purchased a N70 Vodafone with FW V 2.0539.1.2 19-10-05 RM-84.

I have a gps receiver, and just waiting for my memory card to arrive, so i can install tom tom 5. I have version 5.20

But after reading this thread, do i beleive i am in for a load of serious hassle with this. Is it worth even trying or bothering to get this thing working?

OK i have just purchased a N70 Vodafone with FW V 2.0539.1.2 19-10-05 RM-84.

I have a gps receiver, and just waiting for my memory card to arrive, so i can install tom tom 5. I have version 5.20

But after reading this thread, do i beleive i am in for a load of serious hassle with this. Is it worth even trying or bothering to get this thing working?

Yes it works well as long as you don't use the free gatso database. Mine was excellent yesterday when the M4 was closed so I got tomtom to plot a route around it avoiding Reading town centre at rush hour.

Just to update that my N70, latest o2 firmware, Tom Tom 5.2 and Silvershield 16channel GPS Receiver is pretty much 100% reliable as long as its rebooted before opening Tom Tom and I let Tom Tom pair itself with the receiver.

As previous discussions diasabling the POI aside from Speed Camera warning is a good idea.

Didn't get to check Barcelona function as stupidly left the GPS in the car at the Airport but its worked a treat on half a dozen journeys since, long (200 miles+) or short (10miles+ below) and even taking a call or losing signal from being in a tunnel has caused no problems.

In my experience I have to disagree with the user thinking its speed of the vehicle which causes any connection issues either as mine has worked perfectly at 3mph walking pace and at very much the wrongside of the UK speedlimit.

In summary with a few careful tweaks I have reliable SAT NAV running without any problems at all, and thats using a £40 eBay Bluetooth Receiver NOT the much more expensive Tom Tom or Nokia one.

Ok guys well i just done a short test about 15 mile journey, all pois of, except warn on speed cameras, first 15 miles, lost the receiver, on the way back, i rebooted the phone, and it seemed much more stable.

About the POI`s though, how do you know if you have the tom tom data base, or the free one, mine says pocket.gps i think.

Also i have a question, my GB map is 5.62, what is the version 6?

Well, having had TomTom running perfectly on my N70 for the last 3-4 weeks without a single reboot, I thought I'd share how my setup works.

First, TomTom 5.62, and BT-77 GPS.

I don't use any POIs (lucky if I'm able to even get to 70 on my journeys, and anyway, I rarely speed anymore - either getting old or my licence is too valuble) which probably makes a big difference.

When I power the GPS on, I leave my N70 in locked mode (bluetooth enabled) until the GPS has finished its initial flickering.

Then, unlock the phone and start TomTom. Sometimes it asks to accept a connection from the GPS device, othertimes it doesn't but I've not yet had it not get a connection within 20 seconds.

Then use as normal (this has been on various length journeys ranging from 10 mins to 3 1/2 hours).

Then, when time to shut down, switch off GPS first, then close TomTom. At this point I usually get a blank screen but pressing the hangup button returns back to the home page.

Now I'm sure that some of the above isn't totally necessary however I'm now into a nice routine which takes very little time and most importantly works consistently.

Anyway, hope it helps.

In my experience I have to disagree with the user thinking its speed of the vehicle which causes any connection issues either as mine has worked perfectly at 3mph walking pace and at very much the wrongside of the UK speedlimit.

If thats in reference to what I said, then that was mainly aimed at using GPS Cyclemaster. The disconnections Ive had with Tom Tom havent shown any real pattern over certain speeds, and with only the single PocketGPS database ive not had a single disconnection regardless of speed (in over 24hrs use), although it could be a combination of speed and additional POIs because I noticed when it did disconnect the refresh rate of the map is slower with more POIs.

In summary I think if people want a reliable Tom Tom then most seem to be able to do this without any 3rd party POIs added.

Hi,
Has anyone heard of V5.0606.2.0.6
11-02-06
AM-84
for N70. Apparently it's available for some N70 handsets. Depends on network.
Rob

Hi,
Has anyone heard of V5.0606.2.0.6
11-02-06
AM-84
for N70. Apparently it's available for some N70 handsets. Depends on network.
Rob

I'm intrigued, where did you hear about that?

Hi,
Has anyone heard of V5.0606.2.0.6
11-02-06
AM-84
for N70. Apparently it's available for some N70 handsets. Depends on network.
Rob

I'm intrigued, where did you hear about that?

My set up....

N70 orange debranded & updated to 3.05 version
TomTom 5.20
Fortuna Clip-on BT reciver
Speed cameras activated

Not tried it out much but when i did try it on a 20 min journey, it connected ok (tomtom connected) and worked fine.

Only dropped the sat signal a few times for approx 30 seconds but picked it up again with no input from me, so probably a sat signal problem rather that BT problem.

Will have to try a longer journey to properly test but happy with it so far.


AndyQ above mentiones TomTom 5.62!!!!

Is this a typo or what?

I have noticed a pattern, if i switch on any PIO`s ecept speed cameras, my phone bombs out, all i had was cams, and petrol stations, the phone completely froze 4 times in a row. I had to pull over, take out the battery and reboot, 4 TIMES on a 40 min journey.

I then removed all pio`s but cams, just warn, and it worked fine all they way into work next day.


I had to say this is crap though, whats the point of poi`s if we cant use them.

Sombody has to fix this, i may consider selling the lot and going for a harware car unit only.

AndyQ above mentiones TomTom 5.62!!!!

Is this a typo or what?

Typo - meant 5.20

Yep it is pants that the poi's cant be on the screen but they are still accessible to route to if needed.

Tested mine today without poi's except warn when near and the bloody thing froze (1st time ever!!) after a few miles and rebooted :icon13: tried again and froze again :icon13: :icon13:

Not 100% sure what caused it but i was using a new voice (austin powers) which might of been the problem? but starting to think orange will be getting a call soon for a rma number (still within 14 days :cool: )

Retested today after removing the voices and it froze within 2 mins into my journey so orange was contacted and its now going back :frown:

Retested today after removing the voices and it froze within 2 mins into my journey so orange was contacted and its now going back :frown:

Is this without any custom POI's? Weird, I've found the method described by others (ie, reboot, offline mode, etc) to have helped a lot. I've done a five hour journey without a single crash/dropped connection.

With regard to the radio issue you mentioned in the 'Is N70 crap' thread, flashing the firmware resolves this. I have v3.05 and its fine.

Hi all, i am getting my vodaphone N70 flashed to the generic 3.05 as we speak, being done in the survus centre bath, just down the road for me, and free too :).

I asked him about V5.0606.2.0.6 , and he says it does not exist?, and he has to flash with the generic fw becuase orange and vodaphone will not release there new fw`s yet.

Knobs, ill let you know if it has help and the differences, shud be done in 1-2 hours :)

...and Roden...your verdict is...(drum roll)...?

Dont want to P**s any one of you guys off but there is a higher software, but its not available to the public right now, it,s 5.0609.2.0.1. It,s from a M8 in Nokia to try out and so far it hasnt made any difference.

That is to say that when I ran the Orangeutang software on ver2, I didnt get any droped signals anyway.

I will update my tom tom software this weekend and report back when I have tried it out a bit.

I run a Fortuna gps and allthough it was a pig to setup and get the BT to work, it seems to be working quit well, probably the nokia software judging by the posts on the subject.

I can only sugest that if your getting droped signals check you sat signal in "change options, roll forward 4 times and see sat gps staus. if it,s gone, more chance your gps is not so good.Maybe?.

Even with new software I did get a white out but then my fingers work fast so maybe I will try to let the software catchup.

somebody maybe know that it is possible to put the tomtom files on my 1GB card(so that I only need one MMC for everything. themes, photo's, tom tom)

Can you people tell me what exact files are to be installed on the phone
and what to be on the MMC.
I think it is good I will use FExplorer to make it easier.

thanks in advance

P.S. I have an N70 and a TomTom Mrk II GPS module

Dont want to P**s any one of you guys off but there is a higher software, but its not available to the public right now, it,s 5.0609.2.0.1. It,s from a M8 in Nokia to try out and so far it hasnt made any difference.

That is to say that when I ran the Orangeutang software on ver2, I didnt get any droped signals anyway.


Hi,
So you're saying that on Orange firmware (HomeScreen), that TomTom and your 3rd party GPS worked fine? Was there a specific method you used to make it work?

Thanks,
Jon

"So you're saying that on Orange firmware (HomeScreen), that TomTom and your 3rd party GPS worked fine"

No jon read the threads, when you reflash you loose the orangeutang software,Mmm nice, much better.

And as far as the third party GPS goes, who says you have to us Nokia???:)

Radio also works mch beter with latest sofware, but dont know about ver3 as I whent straight to the top witht the version that came out on Monday, but please dont ask how you get it, you cant.YET

No special methods used, turn on tt and then the gps.

Anyone know how Rodan got on?

Oh ok, cool, just misunderstood you there when you said "I ran the Orangeutang software on ver2, I didnt get any droped signals anyway."

Yep I've seen another forum with someone on V5 and says its the best fix so far.

Keep us posted on how you get on.

Cheers for the reply.

Jon

Well did have 3 crashes instantly with new fw :( but just got me a new external ariel and all sat bars are found, well fast, going to bristol tonight and have to find somewhere, so will let you know how it performs.

I think that the biggest problem is with the gps units droping the signal and not the N70 or the TT???

I sit mine on the dash with a heated windscreen and still no problems.:)

But time will tell,and I will get back soon.

I never dropped the signal once with my globalstat bt338 receiver, it was rock solid even when i had in my glovebox :icon14:

I've read somewhere that people have had trouble with this BT77 receiver and other PDA's - which was solved by fully charging the unit, and then later, switch off, pull out the battery and leave for an hour.

Try that...see if it works...and post back.

Jon

i have wrote in pages 9 to 13 how to cure this i am on version 2 firmware orange it works with any gps reciever and speed camera data base file i repeat FILE>>>>

It will work for all of you even tomtom mobile as well as tomtom mobile 4 to 5 on any of the versions,

1. Go to blutooth in your connect on your N70 then turn off and delete all old pairings of old connections of your gps.
2. Make sure the POI speed camera files are of the following type....
Either the Single filed version and only install the speed cameras file not any others as this causes the problem, OR ASK DES from Borders on this forum, he has compiled all the red lights and speed camera database using tomtoms sofware to create a custom database thats all in one file only.
3. Then reboot your n70.
5. switch on Gps 1st.
6. turn on tomtom.
7. let Tomtom turn on bluetooth.
JOB DONE this will work with any amount of Tomtom POI's and providing you only use one extra file that you have added it wont crash and you can see the cameras before you get to them.
AND yes you can take calls and use the 3d map view.


Hope this helps you all .

Cheers crazyj...just wondering...I probably read but forgot...which GPS receiver do you have?

good question. jon
Does it make a big difference when having a different GPS Bluetooth receiver?

TomTom mkII or the BT77 or something else (without a brand or receivers you can buy on ebay)? Which one works or is the best? price/quality/battery/receiving of gps signal/...

Yup crazyjlondon is right, just use the TOM TOM POI`s, and only speed camera database in a single file, works flawlessly, i have my BT receiver in the boot, where it charges every time i use the car, and it turns itself on anf off every time i use TOMTOM.

So far not had 1 dropout, works very well.

I did get this strange thing where the tomtom soft wud just disapear, and the phone would go back to the desktop, pressing the app button showed the the app had closed, ?, i had this once or twice, but not quite sure what thats all about.

Overal about 5 1 hour journeys and perfect, i do have an external arial though.

Now if only i can get the macdonolds POI`s working :).

Hey guys, what is the v6 map?, is it a later up to date version, and wil lit work with 5.20?, not really heard much about it? worth updating?.

Cheers All

But Roden, which receiver do you have? BT77 or an official TomTom Wireless GPS I/II?

Jon

EDIT - CrazyJ has a TomTom Wireless GPS. Looks the BT77 gives trouble...but then I've read people that are using the BT77 :S

and which is the best?

Hi im running tomtom version 5.2 gps driver 1.2 and the firmware on my n70 is 2.0539.1.2 19-10-05 RM-84. Im using a 3rd party gps reciever (which works perfect on my pda). I am experiencing the same problems as everyone else freezing up, lossing gps conection etc. i have tried everything that has been sugested in this forum and others but nothing seems to work. Is there a patch/fix out there ???????
i would like to add the software is a cracked version not original (why would you spend all that money on somthing that dont work properley ?) I HAVE considered buying the original but i can see from these and verious forums this is also a problem for the original software. Please let me know if there is a fix for this THANKS DAVE

P.S

Im going to have the firmware updated tomorrow but i dont think this will fix it as others have had this done and still have these problems

It is indeed better to install a cracked version first to test it. I have the original TomTom Navigator 5 (v5.2) bought for my PDA and it works not perfect but OK. I dled the mobile 5.2 for my N70 and it works perfect till now so maybe I will buy it original also. At the moment I use the original TomTom MKII receiver but I'm checking ebay to buy a cheap gps receiver as extra, but maybe then It doesn't work anymore???

Liquid_Li0n see here:

http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=30302&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=150

Jon

thanks for the link. But what I could do is just buy one from ebay and then try it for the N70, when it works good, it's ok, otherwise I try it with my iPaq and hope it will work with it so I can use the TomTom mkII for the N70.

An extra question that popped up in my head today.(not about receivers).
I know you can change the start up screen of a TomTom GO(you just place an other .BMP file on it) but is it possible aswell to change the tomtom start up screen on the N70. I was checking my gallery and saw the files from tomtom in there. and the "TTMOBILE" is the one from the start up screen, I was thinking when I take a picture and give it the same name ("TTMOBILE") maybe I can use that as startup picture for my tomtom mobile.

Think I may have sussed it...I hope I don't jinx it...but it seems 95% reliable if my profile is on SILENT. It dropped out once on a short journey but came back in seconds. Never was like this before. Can you all try it out, with the BT77?

Jon

Dont know if this has already been mentioned regarding TomTom loosing bluetooth connection.
It seems TomTom manages its own paired bluetooth devices and in some cases will conflict with those devices already paired by the phones manager.
The best way to pair bluetooth devices when using TomTom to prevent loss of connectivity when using Nokia N70 is:

Delete all bluetooth devices in the phones connectivity manager. Start TomTom.
Use TomTom's manager to pair the device.
Exit TomTom.
Open the phones connectivity manager and you may see the GPS device listed.
Delete this device again.
Start TomTom and you will notice that the GPS device still exists. Pair this device and TomTom should work fine, no disconnections.
***You must delete the device after pairing for the first time in the phones default connectivity manager***
Obviously if the device exists in 2 seperate connectivity tables, there must be either a conflict or a problem sharing the device.

Try this and let me know if you have any joy.
I used to get disconnected every 10-15 minutes. Since doing this, no more loss of connectivity.

Nibbz

Hi all, i have some generic thing i purchsed on ebay for abot £45, its black with 3 lights on it, lol, thats all i can say, with the external ariel it never ever lost a gps signal.

But i have noticed this, tomtom crashed twice today in the middle of bristol, ferking place that is for it to happen.

The software just closed, no freeze or lockups, just vanishes, re-load, and no gps connection???.

I rebooted the phone, this was all while driving in circles becuase i didnt know where i was, bristol, ferkin place, and foend gps, another say 2 mins, bang software vanishes?????, WTF! is that all about, so i pull over, take the ferkin battery out, AGAIN, reboot, and this time it stayed working.

Now i gotta say this is shit, who need this, and for all this fangled pairing crap, it shud just work full stop.

I wud not buy this software in its present state, was gonna, but nah not now.

Still great when it does work, but not 100%

Damn, soz to hear about that Roden.

As for me...it's so weird...I thought the N70's tones/sounds could have clashed with TomTom...anyway the phone lost the GPS bluetooth connection a few times just now for me...even after a reboot...it chooses when it wants to work...just randomly!

Does anyone here with the V5 firmware have a BT-77 or other 3rd party receiver?

Jon

No ive got the fortuna slim, it,s been OK for a week.no drops just two whitouts on the fone,i put that down to the phone.

Hi

Just bought on ebay for € 50 a SilverShield GPS receiver. I hope it will work fine with my Nokia N70 with TomTom 5.2

I heard a lot of problems about the POI's and speed cams but untill now no problems. I'm using at the moment a TomTom GPS mkII receiver from my Ipaq.

I let you know how the silvershield receiver works on both devices.

Cool, would appreciate it. People have said the TomTom GPS MKII is fine but not perfect on the N70...so just looking around for the most reliable.

Cheers,
Jon

Cool, would appreciate it. People have said the TomTom GPS MKII is fine but not perfect on the N70...so just looking around for the most reliable.

Cheers,
Jon

The TomTom mkII works perfect with my N70, if my SilverShield works as good as the mkII I'm a happy man

hi have you got updated patch of tomtom 5.2 .
i got n70 i need a update i try to download from tomtom but that doesnt work can you please let me know
thank you

Hi all, have been wading my way thru this tread!

I'm using a SilverShield BT GPS, and i'm suffering the same as most people, altho, if I drop the GPS signal I can get it back via the SHOW GPS DEVICES option in the TT menus most of the time.

Went for about 3hrs the other day, and was in the middle of no-where, but on my trip into work it'll loose connection 3-4 times!

Tried removing all of the POIs (Gatso's inc) and altho problem is less frequent still happens.

Is anyone using the Nokia BT GPS device (LD-1W i think) an if so it the BT connection any better.

Maybe of some interest that if I turn the 3D map off the problems don't happen as offen.

Cheers...

Ad

I think I've found a way to make it 80% stable with the BT-77:

1. Delete all pairings. Then turn bluetooth off.
2. In bluetooth settings, set it to 'Shown to all'.
3. Start TomTom, let it turn on bluetooth.
4. In TomTom, goto 'Show GPS Status'
5. Press 'Configure' then select the TomTom receiver. You will then return to the screen with grey bars.
6. Then press 'Configure' again and choose 'Other Bluetooth GPS'. If your receiver comes up in the list without even doing a search, don't select it. When it says 'Searching' you should then switch on the BT-77. Then choose BT GPS.
7. Now you will have bars going up and down. It will probably drop the bluetooth and say 'No GPS device' 3 times, but then after these 3 drops, it should be fairly reliable after.
8. When finished, goto 'Show GPS Status' again and choose the TomTom receiver. You will have grey bars again, so now turn off your BT GPS receiver.

Try this out and let me know how it goes.

Jon

Hi,

Can anyone please confirm that a GPS application is working with the new Nokia N70 firmware (V.30 or greater)?

Do people with the updated Firmware still have Bluetooth connectivity dropping problem using TomTom?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.