Hi guys,

I post here because I am so angry... so Damn angry...
Did not anybody take a look at what hapends "to the other site"?
I mean the site of "The other guy" (or whatever he likes to call himself?)

I mean my-symbian site.

Well I was very, very surprised to see that the forum site on that adress (well known as...I should stop here) is simply...Allabousymbian site....

God damn...is amasing.. I did not have time to check the emoticons, but it look...identical.

Good work RAFE, he gets a lot of free stuff from we know hwo...and also gets the style of your Forum....

No comment

Rafe Insipires :agrue:

Well to be honest this "style" you are refering is the forum, which I have to say is the best forum there is. But its not made BY Rafe, but used by him! (Although you have to give credit to Rafe for using it). Anyways, the other side(or site) you are refering might got the idea from this site BUT did not steal it! If you go on the net alot you will see that a lot of web sites are using this type of forum which you can download for free BTW.

However, I use allaboutsymbian.com for other reasons than the layout! I like the community! :)

Yep the forum is free check the "Powered by phpBB 2.0.3 © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group" string underneath the forum for info.
This is the best forum and used by many. But I do aggree although they all use the forum only this one is the real one! :)
And with the newserver it rulez over the forum on that other site.
My-Symbian.info is built from the shop feature. This site is built from the forum community. I don't see the use of the forums on my-symbian.info because this one is better ;)

But this is a motivation for us to make this forum and communtiy even better so that people will be encouraged to see this as the primary forum and maybe once in a while when bored visit that other forum ;)

I know this Male.., But Rafe did choose this layout long time ago.

Damn, I was shocked.

PPL come here and gey InSPYred, that`s what I wanted to SPY---ooops SAY :roll:

HAHAhahah! yes I agree that this community is way better than that on the other side :) Thats why I am a regular here! I do exactly what Dazler said! Visit my-symbian.com at 3-4 oclock in the mornign when I cant get any sleep! :)

Of course there is no point to compare this site and forum with the others, although the competition is always good... :) This site have a much, much better and nice community... when the other seems to be only shopping oriented.

Keep the good work, and who knows..., eventually you will got the deserved attention also from inside Nokia :), although I think you already got some... :)

And if he doesn't I will sell my phone and buy an SVP :P

The funny thing is that Nokia have a Foreword in the Series 60 Book!

They say and I quote:

"We believe that years of experience with modbile phones, user interface development, and listening to our customers have paid off in the Series 60 Platform."

Heheh! "listening to our customers" Yeah right! :D

:vamp: :snipersmile: And if he doesn't I will sell my phone and buy an SVP :P


:agrue:
Just kidding.

this community feels like you are "at home".

home sweet home.

Actually this forum software isn't mine, I just installed configured it. My-Symbian.com are perfectly justified in using it too. You could say we both like to use the best :)

I certainly have no objection.

I really appreciate the friendliness of this community. It makes running it hassle free (is) and a lot more fun.

Rafe

I know this Male.., But Rafe did choose this layout long time ago.

Damn, I was shocked.

PPL come here and gey InSPYred, that`s what I wanted to SPY---ooops SAY :roll:

From the As seen on AAS site

http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=453

warned you about this ;)

Hi whiplash


That's a nice Avatar u got..is it encouraged from Harry Potter ?

Nimo

this community feels like you are "at home".

home sweet home.

true, true... and yes the site format is great but i think it is open for use to everybody - i saw the same forum format when i checked out NLSC (i think, i dont really remember the name) its a coomunity of NBA Live 2k3 gaming freaks. but as mentioned here, it's the hominess of the community that serves to many people as major reason of coming here. this is truly a great helpul site with or without the format! :D

I know this Male.., But Rafe did choose this layout long time ago.

This is the DEFAULT layout, the only one supplied with phpBB installation.

For your information: phpBB is a forum system. The best of them. Thousands of sites use it. Something like 70% with THIS, DEFAULT style. Everybody is free to use phpBB. I didn't bother to implement custom styles as the default one is good enough.

I am truly amazed by how people can hate other people just for nothing. And how easy accuse others just because they don't know what they are talking about.

For your information2: My-Symbian.com used to have a NNTP (usenet) news server (since early 2000) with thousands of visitors and tens of thousands of posts. We were running it long before this forum existed. We switched to Web based board because of costs of separate NNTP server. Better check next time before making a fool of yourself.

To My-Symbian.com: As much as i respect you and your website i'll have to put my foot down here.TheSpecialBoy made an honest mistake,you dont have to trow it in his face for that,it was even replayed by sean that this layout is used by many websites.And what about the comparison with AAS? Why do you speak with such anger? I really dont care if My-Symbian.com existed long time before AAS and had thousands of users with tens of thousands of posts.
Your replay to his post is not much better then his post.He made a mistake,what about you?

As much as i respect you and your website i'll have to put my foot down here.TheSpecialBoy made an honest mistake,you dont have to trow it in his face for that
If somebody makes a mistake and realizes that he was wrong, the best thing is to appologize. I have never seen any good word from him, even though he had plenty of time since the date of his post.

it was even replayed by sean that this layout is used by many websites.
That's right. That's why he already knows that he made a mistake and should at least say that he was wrong. He decided not to give a damn about it.

And what about the comparison with AAS? Why do you speak with such anger?
You seem to have some problems with perception.

When he calls me "The guy whatever he likes to call himself", calls me a SPY, writing the name of my site makes him almost puke, then you consider this a friendly attitude right? "He just made a mistake"? And when I simply inform that my newsserver existed before this forum appeared (just to explain that I had no reasons to copy anything), you call this "anger"? Strange. I would call this "selective" and not very objective.

I really dont care if My-Symbian.com existed long time before AAS and had thousands of users with tens of thousands of posts.
And I really don't care if you care. That was nothing but information.

Your replay to his post is not much better then his post.He made a mistake,what about you?
I reacted to his untrue and unfair accusation, expressed in a very unfriendly form, which he didn't bother to correct.

Everybody can make a mistake. But his post was also full of anger (he even said that 4 times himself). People who make a mistake (especially if they throw an untrue accusation) SHOULD correct their mistake (not to mention saying "sorry"). He didn't.

If he could call me a spy and use a couple of other nice expressions like this WITHOUT ANY REASON (or just because he didn't know what he was talking about) and didn't bother to excuse, then I could be a little bit angry. Pretty fair.

BTW. Also notice this:

he gets a lot of free stuff from we know hwo...and also gets the style of your Forum....
Another false and harmful accusation of being paid/sponsored by someone. This is almost criminal.

Guys lets not forget what we are all here for, little arguments like this aren't helping anyone.

Fair enough, SpecialBoy made a mistake...You have had your say on the subject...Leave it be.

I think one lesson to be learned from the holiday break (in a literal sense) of AAS was that it is good to have choises. Without My-Symbian.com, we would have left completely in the dark on what's happened.

Rafe should be proud for the strong community spirit of AAS but let's not let it go too far. :fadein:

I agree that we should put a stop to this here.
My apologies to Michal for misreading him and for anything offensive that i wrote.
Like i sad,i have a great deal of respect for you and your website.

Izzo,

If this post was coming from a newbie with 2 posts sent to forum, I would never ever bother to waste my time.

But this guy has over 730 posts (in 6 months) and it seems that he is one of your most active members (12th or so). Such a number of post means that he simply REPRESENTS this forum. Just take a look at his profile - he posts over 7 posts a day on average. Such false accusations from one of the most active members should be clearly corrected - if not by the author, then at least by forum Admin.

This is not the first post like this on your forums, with unkind and untrue opinions about me and my site. And this is really strange, because there are no such posts about AAS on my forums. My visitors never call your site "the other side", never call the admin of this site a spy etc. There are also no comments that this forum is boring and My-Symbian.com users only come here late and night when they can't sleep etc. There also never was a single bad word about your site on my news server during whole 2 years of its existence. In contrary to this, I've seen many unfriendly opinions about me and my site here: about my visit to Redmond, about the (unfortunate) MS banner, about having a shop on my site (while nobody bothers to check that the shop is owned by a charity foundation and money go for poor children) and about anything else. This is really strange.

I simply don't understand the attitude of your most active members. Your site is more a community site, while mine is more a software site? So what? Your site is run by a number of admins while mine is more a one-person site? So what? I have paid banners? So what? I accepted MS invitation and went to Redmond? So what? Why your most active members always comment such things THAT WAY? Why it is so damn easy for them to always ACCUSE before even checking? Or at least before asking and letting me explain? There must be some reason for this.

I really care about good contacts with AllAboutSymbian. When I was choosing and purchasing My-Symbian.com/.info domains, I was thinking about AllAboutSymbian (the domain was free at that moment and the registration engine suggested it when I typed "Symbian" as base name). I decided that such name would be better for Rafe as it seemed a natural 'continuation' for your site. I left it. I try to avoid any moves that could be seen as competition - I don't use phrases like "My-Symbian.com - your only/biggest/sole Symbian site" etc. I am ABLE to co-exist with you. But it seems that some of your members don't. That's sad.

Laura & GhostDog,

Thank you for your comments. I feel better now. Peace on earth.

Yo guys! Wasssup everybody?
:D

i was just PM'ing IZZO yesterday night, telling him about problems and arguments that might occur to forums, forums like this. A problem happened in an Arabic forum, a gulf forum in particular, that has phones, jokes, cars, music, they have about everything there. And also 18,000 registered users!!! ANyways, that's not the point, the point is, that this forum, in the 7650 place to be specific, had this argument regarding a moderator helper, he was banned! And so did half a dozen other people! And many were taking sides and people got all pissed off, and it got really bad. Everything starts out small, the little spark that lit your cigarette could end up burning a whole forest!!! With 30 meter tall trees!

I think we should all be cool, and take a break (take a kit kat :D)

:D

Michal,

I do see what your saying, and I also reasise (now more than ever) all the hard work and good you do for the Symbian community.

For some reason, this place to some people can become more than just a site....It's hard to explain, but I have often just spent hours/days here, I mean it even started to affect my 'real' life job....It's like a drug, and people can get defensive (for want of a better word) about it.....even to the point attacking other sites.

I'm not here to defend SpecialBoy or what he (and others) have said about My-Symbian as it is not my place to.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and there will always be someone you don't agree with.

But what i'm trying to say is, we are all Adult, but sometimes (Myself included) forget that on the net....Lets just drop it, if SpecialBoy feels the need to apologise he will do, I think (and i'm sure others) agree that this is getting a little tiresome and repetative, as each of the sites grow and with the introduction of new devices aimed at the younger generation I think we all have better things to do than argue about who's site is better than who's, he did this and she did that.

Izzo,

Don't get me wrong. I don't want to start any big debate here. I simply didn't want to leave such bullshit without any comment from my side. There are new visitors coming to your forum and reading this and they should be able to see what "the other sit(d)e" has to say.

Speaking of TheVerySpecialGuy, I actually don't care about his appologies, because I think that a person who says such things that way and doesn't feel like correcting this by himself wouldn't be able to do that HONESTLY.

I am on holidays and cant be bothered with all this. However I cannot stay away from such discussions. My view is that both AAS and My-symbian have different target groups. I, as a member of AAS have great respect to anybody that is involved in Symbian matters. That includes my-symbian.com although I have the RIGHT to criticise my-symbian or AAS since they are PUBLIC sites however they have the right to answer too! I dont mind such discussions but I would like to keep them in a civilised context!

I am on holidays and cant be bothered with all this. However I cannot stay away from such discussions. My view is that both AAS and My-symbian have different target groups. I, as a member of AAS have great respect to anybody that is involved in Symbian matters. That includes my-symbian.com although I have the RIGHT to criticise my-symbian or AAS since they are PUBLIC sites however they have the right to answer too! I dont mind such discussions but I would like to keep them in a civilised context!

MaleBuffy,

Yes, criticism is FINE and WELCOME. That's what lets us make our sites better. However, I don't think that anything what SpecialGuy wrote can be called criticism. Do you? Calling me names and throwing accusations of stealing, spying, being paid by Microsoft etc. have as little to do with criticism as all that he wrote with the truth.

As for civilised context. I have yet to see in this topic ONE SINGLE opinion saying bluntly and strictly that this SpecialGuy WAS WRONG and RUDE and SHOULD CORRECT THIS or APPOLOGIZE. Noone said that. Instead, everybody talks about peace, friendliness, civilized contexts etc. Say that to him and not to me. I am the injured party here and not him!

Maybe you don't care, but for me accusing me of having secret connections with Microsoft is a SERIOUS slander. Even more than accusing me of stealing this forum, which was obvious result of his mental failure or at least critical biorhythms.

I am not going to try this, but I am SURE that if I wrote anything bad on my forums about anybody from AAS staff, YOU ALL WOULD EAT ME ALIVE. For example, I see that Rafe implemented the "blue/green/yellow/red card system" in this forum. I had it a couple of days earlier. Just think what would happen (including yourself) if I wrote that Rafe COPIED or STOLE it from me, which would be just about the same what SpecialBoy wrote about me. But in such vice versa situation your opinions are also fully vice versa and you call such things criticism. Very funny.

I fully understand your views but it is not our job to say that SpecialBoy is wrong. He has to admit it! I believe that any personal attack is unacceptable. However I very much respect freedom of speech. You have every right as I said to answer and tell what you think which is fine with me, and everybody at AAS.

PS. Postcounts dont represent anything. Its just a number and does not represent anything more.

I fully understand your views but it is not our job to say that SpecialBoy is wrong. He has to admit it!

You ain't objective, that's all.

There is something like "Please stick to the forum rules" just below this edit window. There is a paragraph about slandering and offending people there and you can read that such behavior may result in banning or at least warning the user. It seems that your rules don't apply if the person slandered and offended isn't one of your people (not to say: comes from My-Symbian.com), beacuse I don't see any banning, not to mention warning.

This forum has some admins and modeators. It is their task to warn people if they cross that thin line and start offending people and throwing false accusations. That's what I do on my site and that's why there is a model order there. Even though I don't have clear rules yet due to lack of time to write them down.

It is not true that he is the only one to admit it. It's just like saying that it is up to a thief to return your stolen car to you.

However I very much respect freedom of speech.
Me too. But only within boundaries of telling the truth and not offending anybody. He crossed these boundaries quite far.

You have every right as I said to answer and tell what you think which is fine with me, and everybody at AAS.
Thanks at least for that.

PS. Postcounts dont represent anything. Its just a number and does not represent anything more.
Sure. But it is quite easy to check other topics to see that this guy is something more for your forum than just "posts producer".

MaleBuffy, as you can see I normally never come to your forums. I don't feel the need of showing myself here. Unfortunately, I had to register here a couple of months ago to defend myself against accusations of "secret collaboration with Microsoft" just because I accepted an invitation and went for a nice trip. Then I had to come here a couple of times more to deal with further insults. It seems that my visits become more and more frequent and I wonder why because I don't give any reason for this besides running own site. On the contrary, it NEVER EVER happened that anyone from AAS had to visit my forums to deal with such rude posts and false accusations.

If people on this forum don't refrain from such behavior, I think I'll have to show all those topics to my visitors/forum users and also provide them with full freedom of speech and similiar "understanding" from moderators and admins.

Michael (if i can call you so), please check my posts on this thread to see that I didnt agree with SB on what he said before your complaining posts.

Other than that I cannot see any problem with SB's post in this thread except off being wrong according to my opinion.

If you are talking about other posts I am not aware then thats another story.

You are right by saying that we are biased, but this happens because this is our home and we usually praise and protect it.

At then end it comes to that we have to be united in order to survive. If we start to fight then we do only harm to eachother. I amsure that SB will eventually apologise for his mistake.

Good luck and a Happy New Year!

MaleBuffy

MaleBuffy,

Please, understand me. If he wrote, that my site is boring, crappy, lacks frequent updates, is hard to browse, ugly etc. then I wouldn't even react, because that's his right to think so and say so.

But calling me a thief (that's the name of a person who steals something), spy and secret Microsoft weapon is a wholly other story. So this is not about "mistake", but about words he used and the unfriendly attitude he had.

As I already mentioned, I don't expect ANYTHING from such a person. I rather wanted to see reaction of some of you - NORMAL (and not Special) people running this site.

Ok. This won't lead to anything. Let's drop this at this point.

All the best and Happy New Year to you, too.

I'm surprised Michal (My-Symbian.com) hasn't received a little more support about this. I feel Michal was perfectly jusitified to be upset about the original post, and even more so given that not even the slightest hint of an apology has been made. And he definately does deserve one IMHO.

I agree that this has drawn on a bit too much, but just felt that Michal was getting a rough deal here.

Any comments for/against AAS and My-Symbian is a bit pointless really (at least in this thread) because both sites are really very good. The more support for Symbian (and the more choices for Symbian end-users) the better.

As mentioned by others, the forum used on both sites (the backend, the way it works, the graphics, everything!) is all part of a standard freely available distribution, and has been implemented verbatim on thousands of sites all over the net. It's an obvious choice (if you use/have access to PHP) so it really doesn't matter who implemented it first.

I'm guessing that because TheSpecialBoy is so active he is a knowledgable person, but everyone (without exception) is wrong from time to time. Just have to swallow your pride and accept it when it happens. No big deal.

Just thouhgt I do a qucik reply to this thread which I have now read through with interest. As I said in my original reply this isn't my forum software or Michal's for that matter. We both (very sensibly if you ask me) using an opensource script. If anything I think Michal deserves praise for swithcing too phpBB (IMHO better than a newserver), not to mention the consistancy if you use both sites (nice and easy to use when you dont have to change back and forth between styles).

If I'm Honest I kidn of just skim read the post from Special Boy and read the things he said. I think he made an honest mistake with regards to the forum, but reading his post again he certainly was as polite as he could have been to Michal (although calling Michal the other guy may be put downable to the fact he didn't know your name). However as you say calling you a spy is a bit steep! I didn;t reply I guess because I knew it wasn't true (and I think most others would realise that); perhaps in retrospect I should have said something. I'd agree with MaleBuffy that its not my/pur place to remove such comments (free speech and all that - I mean there's been a few posts suggesting improvements could be made to this site, although most of the abusive stuff arrives by e-mail I'm glad to say), perhaps in future mods could keep an eye out for such posts and reply appropriately.

I think Ant makes a very good point. AAS / My-Symbian both provide an invaluable service to the community. Micahl and I keep in touch by e-mail and I think I'd be safe in saying (I hope you dont mind me saying this Michal) that we both respect each other and get on fine despite never have met each other!

I guess the biggest problem is that only those who are aware of everything going on (e.g. phpBB being openSource, friendly contact between the 2 sites, Michal's CHARITY software shop etc. etc.) really know what the situation is. Perhaps a good piece of general advice - be careful what you say you very rarely know everything! Those that do know don't bother posting 9cause they know), but those that dont are left with the original post. Like I say moderators keep an eye on this. I know it hard with so many posts going through, but please try!

Rafe

p.s. Just a point of note - Special Boy has been contacted about this (and effectively given a warning).

This post was made when I was a litlle boy on AAS. I guess at that time (1 month after joining) i did not know exactley what`s going on.

I made a mistake? It is up 2 you to decide.

I`ve posted this in the same time with "M$ and the temptation to the dark side", and believe me, 1 week before posting i still wondered myself who is this Rafe guy.

Honestley, I do not think I was wrong. I was naming InSPYreing, and that is my oppinion.

It was quite a ruf here, you maded rafe post 2 times the same thing.

In case somebody consideres that I was wrong, please accept my appologies.

please accept my appologies

Guess that sorts it all out!! :D

I for one truly, deeply and cincerely hope that this sorts it out.

It would be so much better for these two sites to live in peace and harmony than to fight each other. Rafe and Michal are being civil to each other, and we should respect that. So enough of this, ok? Please? :scrambleup:

ei, let's hear it from the lady! and true enough i feel there's no point to all the fuss! these sites are both good in their own right! let's keep it that way! 8)

To the VerySpecialBoy:

look here:
http://62.23.42.134/forum/index.php
http://www.p800forum.com/

Have fun.

I dont get it!!?!?!?!? :D

(Sorry about my english, is very bad....)

Puuhhh, i realy happy that i use other forum at my site an my own "design"....(is not realy design...;)

i think many peoples on my site read AAS and My-Symbian sites why the most german user can read english, but not the other way.....is not a problem for me, i reroute english users to your sites...;)

But all Symbianpages must help the other one, then is to much warenz on the net....i fight with smartappz against this and make more the 5 sites down....but this is very low.....;(

To the VerySpecialBoy:

look here:
http://62.23.42.134/forum/index.php
http://www.p800forum.com/

Have fun.
Michal,
c`est tres jolie mais je resterai avec cete forum parce que ici j`ai beucoup d`amis.

S`l te plait, il sera mieux que nous ne partiron dans un grande folie.

Je te fairai un message personell, parce que tu est simpa ;)

Meci de cette link

I don`t get it eighter.

No Coment (here)

c`est tres jolie mais je resterai avec cete forum parce que ici j`ai beucoup d`amis. S`l te plait, il sera mieux que nous ne partiron dans un grande folie. Je te fairai un message personell, parce que tu est simpa ;) Meci de cette link

Tak, to bardzo interesujaca wypowiedz. Gratuluje polotu jezykowego. Szkoda, ze nie odpowiedziales po rumunsku, bo to taki piekny romanski jezyk... Wenn du willst, wir konnen auch Deutch sprechen. Ja taky mluvim Cesky.

You sent me to a frech forum....So I replyed in french :D

Dobridjen.

Djecuje va. Prosim SKOLA ;)

I have visited prague and due to my language skill I learned up some. I event sleep one night In poland. Is mutch cheaper than in Czech.

Chill out, will ya.

Ca ma calci pe nervi si te calca naiba vaca neagra de nu te vezi. :o

Yeah can you translate please?

To the VerySpecialBoy:

look here:
http://62.23.42.134/forum/index.php
http://www.p800forum.com/

Have fun.
Michal,
c`est tres jolie mais je resterai avec cete forum parce que ici j`ai beucoup d`amis.

S`l te plait, il sera mieux que nous ne partiron dans un grande folie.

Je te fairai un message personell, parce que tu est simpa ;)

Meci de cette link

Michal, it is very nice, but I will stay with this forum because here I have a lot of friends.

If you agree, It will be better that we do not make the step forward into a foolish.

I will write you a personal message, because you are nice.

Thank you for the link.

Haha! I translated that with Google...Anyways, I really doesnt matter what you said anyways, just keep it in english...u know why!

I don't want you to leave this forum. I just wanted to show you examples of forums using EXACTLY the same look as AAS. Even the grey/white background is the same. As you can see, I DID make my forum look at least a little bit different.

I event sleep one night In poland. Is mutch cheaper than in Czech.
On a train station? Yes, it is cheaper indeed.

OK.

This is getting 2 serious.

Have you ever done something wrong as a Child?

Did your mother all your life remembered that you did that mistake?

I said I was wrong. Now I even feel it.

Can we stop? I want to be friends. Nobody turned me on until now, but I`m about to cum, no matter consequences.

This is my stop to this. (hope so)

Sure, we can stop. I think that you take it too seriously. I only found this thread accidentally and wanted to give you some examples. Nothing besides.