View Full Version : I was gonna do a rant on this but what the hell...


SwitchBlade
16-08-2002, 12:50 AM
The Register, bless it's little vulture beak, beat me too it. It wouldn't have been the same, and the suggestions for future implementation wouldn't have been in there, but the guts of "America shouldn't dominate our rights as per electronic media and the internet" would have been there.... Maybe I'll do my own rant in future.....

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/26612.html <-- the original article.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/26685.html <-- the response (seems not all Americans are brainwashed and some know their government lies to them)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/35/26697.html <-- and the Flame Of The Week, sums up most people's opinions of America really, "Support the stereotype!" and all that.

Ok some of the suggestions are as immature as America imposing it's laws on us, but I agree with most of it.

Zuber
16-08-2002, 04:31 AM
I remember reading the article, the one key point that I liked about it was the point about enforcement of the law. This whole business of because it is on the internet, it does not count. Not really commiting the crime in a country, but in "cyberspace" and all that junk.

I'm probably going to upset a few free speech people, but I would love the internet to be regulated so that all these sites pumping out porn like no tomorrow could be persued and shutdown.

I'm not sure if much of this stuff is illegal, but would it not be nice, if you could let children go on the internet, use email etc. without fear of them coming across "hot young girls" out of nowehere from some totally annon. location that can't be tracked down. Imagine the uproar, if people (including children) started getting porn through the post at random, because people started sending the stuff out from mailing lists etc.

At the same time, I do think the article has a point about the US (meaning large compaines having influence with the power that be) being able to ignore the laws of other nations, but consider there own enforcable anywhere. Not sure how true this really is, but it feels that way. I don't think people would find this anything like as annoying if they felt that it was the interest of joe public that were being represented rather than big greedy companies.

Perhaps I need to stop reading some of this stuff, and it is just hyped up. But it does sometimes feel that the public interest is not being served.

Zuber

SwitchBlade
16-08-2002, 01:10 PM
I believe that's an inherent problem with the right to free speech, you can say and do what you want, but as soon as you have someone regulating it, what you say may be seen as wrong and you will be held accountable for having an opinion.

I agree there is plenty of porn in recognised channels and there doesn't need to be any on the internet, but, once you take their freedom to host it, you will soon find your freedom to do various things gone all because another group of people don't agree with it.

Under American laws we can be sent spam and bulk mailouts that are now ILLEGAL in the EU and the UK too soon, to my knowledge, yet of someone in the EU or the UK breaks an American law by doing something legal in their own country (Dimitry Skyralov (sp.) anybody, ok he was Russian) the Americans deem it their right to prosecute just because they have all that money handed over on one side by the American corporation with a grudge.

Also look at all the people still being held in the American concentration camp in cuba 200+ days after their arrest for "involvement with the attack on the WTC" yet HAVE NOT BEEN CHARGED! George "Hitler" Bush has some English citizens in there, the newspapers have started baying for justice, but the American government isn't interested in justice, it's interested in propoganda to it's own people. America isn't a land of the free, it's a land in self denial.

Zuber
16-08-2002, 01:49 PM
Can't find anything to disagree with you there.

My problem is that if it could be "regulated" in some way, whilst maintaining the whole free speech thing then perhaps we could stop these things been rammed down our (mine at least) thoats.

I like the uk/european real world model (mostly), and would like it applied to the internet in the uk/europe. Not have the internet treated as some other world.

In the real world, you can't say what you want, when you want, where you want. Being able to express your opinion is one thing, being able to spam everyone with it is onother. Same applies to commercially motived stuff as well.

Free speech, opinions etc. fine. In a proper open public forum where those who are going to read it etc. are aware of what the forum is for.

Not sure what the best method for is for these things being "regulated" or what exactly "regulated" should mean. But I don't oppose the principle of the idea. If a good model can be introduced, one that can take account of local law then why not consider and debate it.

Zuber

SwitchBlade
16-08-2002, 02:22 PM
I think an easier method than regulating it is that it is split into zones, insofar as people who want porn should have to move into an adults only zone for which they would have to apply for a login and password. That would be the best way of letting the rest of us go around our daily lives without being innundated with naked men/women just by doing a search in yahoo. I think zoning is something the internet has needed for a while, the most basic way would be to certificate websites similar to the way videos are certificated, suitable for all, 12+, 15+, 18+, that said it'd be 5 years after implementation that M$ may finally make it work in IE ;).

Zuber
16-08-2002, 02:38 PM
I am open to what "regulating" means. Zones sound like an excellent idea, but the problem is that spammers and the like, don't seam to care if you think you are interested in seeing what you have to offer. They shove it down your throat anyway. Hence, searching for something like disney can result in links to adult sites appearing. Search enging companies then have to spend forever battleing to filter these things out.

How do you enforce these Zones, some zones have controlled content. Who decides what is controlled etc.

Zuber

SwitchBlade
16-08-2002, 02:51 PM
I agree with the point on spammers, I find mailing them virii from an e-mail account that is *only* used for this purpose solves the problem for a few days. ;) As for enforcing the zones that would be down to a neutral body such as ICANN or for the UK NOMINET. They can simply ask for what the site is going to be used and issue a cerificate, if it is breaking the rules they can shut it down simply.

Zuber
17-08-2002, 06:13 PM
The internet can be regulated, this prooves it :x

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/26718.html

Zuber

SwitchBlade
17-08-2002, 07:23 PM
No wonder there are so many stories in the news of Americans shooting each other. Hell Ming the Merciless or Atilla the Hun would make for a nicer world for smegs sake.

"Must protect profit, must protect profit.... WHERE'S MY MONEY!"

Soon it'll be illegal to listen to music or watch TV this is bloody stupid.