SwitchBlade is unimpressed. America is declaring war on half of the world, with few people standing in the way. Yet they seem keen to start a world war at the same time....

I found this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/radio4/today/listen/audiosearch.pl?ProgID=1044956954)interview with an american government member courtesy of TheRegister (http://www.theregister.co.uk). The interview is his opinion on what the fact that the French, Germans, and Belgians oppose a war, show that America have no clue.

In the interview he rates how important these countries are by how strong their militaries are. To quote him with something that must qualify as a mild diplomatic incident with France: "I assume the French would be capable of going with us into Iraq to instruct the Iraqis in how to surrender." Mostly he slags off the French, if I was French I'd be baying for a war on American wankers and screw Iraq.

To be honest I'm shocked and saddened at this interview. France is described as "not a world power any more", Belgium is described as "never has been" (a world power), and Germany "started a few wars in the 20th century". It's about time that Britain looked at the tripe coming out of America at the mo and backed up it's more important friends in the EU rather than people serving their own countries ego as the "worlds dominant power". Hell on track record, both Germany and France have got more points on the successful war scale than America has.

What is it with the American government and the schoolboy arrogancy that "my army is bigger than yours" as if it makes them better somehow? Here's a message for you, we don't give a flying f*ck about your army, who you wanna start a war with, or why you think you are the best thing since sliced bread. You are acting like ABSOLUTE WANKERS! The schoolboy bully who because he is bigger than the others, picks on them. What the hell happened to peace? Eh? That little thing with people being friendly and encouraging each other to do what is right without giving them a black eye if they make a mistake.

Lets go through the old military leaders of the world, Napoleon wanted to take over to rule the world, Hitler wanted ethnic cleansing for his airien race, the English under various leaders were expanding the Empire as were the Romans. These were all many many years ago now, we've grown up in the last century, but it seems the Americans as a younger country have decided to do some of the same, and are trying to disguise it as "fighting world terrorism". At least when countries used to try and take over the world we were honest. So far the UN have not discovered anything that catagorically states that Iraq is doing anything wrong and that military intervention isn't needed. THAT MEANS NO BLOODY WAR!

As a final note to the American government, get your head's out of your arses and get over your own self-importance. Oh and GROW THE HELL UP!

Please note this rambling is something to get off my chest over recent debate on war in the middle east. This in no way is related to this Symbian OSs, or reflects the opinions of the administration here. Just me, SwitchBlade.

Go SwitchBlade!
It's nice to know that I'm not the only one who thinks America is trying to take over the world. Imagine if they do, it'll be like the earth in StarTrek the next generation!
AGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!

Go SwitchBlade!
It's nice to know that I'm not the only one who thinks America is trying to take over the world. Imagine if they do, it'll be like the earth in StarTrek the next generation!
AGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!

...Thats not a bad thing...
No, America will fight a yet unknowen someone [possibly iraq] and then the end is nigh! haha!

The lies spoken by our glorious leaders hardly inspire trust.

It's clear that Saddam Hussein is evil. It's clear that Osama Bin Laden is evil. But it's also clear that Osama Bin Laden doesn't like Saddam Hussein. So why are Tony Blair and George Bush telling me that they are working together?

Why is it that one day, they say that they want to get Saddam Hussein because of his weapons of mass destruction and then, another day, because of his links with Al Qaeda?

Why is it that Tony Blair and George Bush are both on first name terms with Saddam Hussein? In parliament, he's referred to not as President Hussein or Mr. Hussein, but simply as Saddam. Does Saddam Hussein talk to his people of Tony and George?

No matter how evil he is, he is still the leader of a country and until he is toppled, he should be respected as such.



PS. Good to see Switchblade back ranting! You should have your own late night radio show!

Nice one SwitchBlade.

For anyone going on the anti-war demo this saturday, here's a song to sing:

If You're Happy And You Know It, Bomb Iraq
by John Robbins

If you cannot find Osama, bomb Iraq.
If the markets are a drama, bomb Iraq.
If the terrorists are frisky,
Pakistan is looking shifty,
North Korea is too risky,
Bomb Iraq.

If we have no allies with us, bomb Iraq.
If we think that someone's dissed us, bomb Iraq.
So to hell with the inspections,
Let's look tough for the elections,
Close your mind and take directions,
Bomb Iraq.

It's pre-emptive non-aggression, bomb Iraq.
To prevent this mass destruction, bomb Iraq.
They've got weapons we can't see,
And that's all the proof we need,
If they're not there, they must be there,
Bomb Iraq.

If you never were elected, bomb Iraq.
If your mood is quite dejected, bomb Iraq.
If you think Saddam's gone mad,
With the weapons that he had,
And he tried to kill your dad,
Bomb Iraq.

If corporate fraud is growin', bomb Iraq.
If your ties to it are showin', bomb Iraq.
If your politics are sleazy,
And hiding that ain't easy,
And your manhood's getting queasy,
Bomb Iraq.

Fall in line and follow orders, bomb Iraq.
For our might knows not our borders, bomb Iraq.
Disagree? We'll call it treason,
Let's make war not love this season,
Even if we have no reason,
Bomb Iraq.

Switchblade, i must say, that's glorious talk you have there, jewel-like. 8)

I (and i the whole world i think) feel the same damn way!!

America just can't stop there, it's hands are itching, every once in a while they have to hit someone, do something, blow up somebody, to remeber people "we are there, and we can kick your'e assess! and we challenge anybody to even think about stopping us!" And what pisses me off is the little kids that want to make the bully happy, and join him, but what impresses me is the countries of real courage and "common sense" that stand up and say "no! This is bullshit! Enough with the slaughter!"

Terrorism my ASS! EVERYTHING is now terrorism! If an old man goes to buy groceries, and his name starts with omar or any arabic name, he's a Terrorist!! Even if he can't close his car door!! He HAS LINKS!! even if he's 3000 miles away and he doesn't even have an international line, and does'nt use the net, and can't write a post letter! He has WEAPONS! even if he's homeless and lives in the shadows of the alleys of Manhattan.

Some smart thinking!! Nowadays, can a person that want's to steal money from a house, go in, kill everybody, and then say "well, i'm fighting terrorism! I noticed they have Lord Of the Rings on DVD! That's a sure sign of links to Al Qaeda!" Does that make sense? what the hell does Lord of the rings have to do with al Qaeda? Same thing with what's happening now..

I'm not just pissed about the innocent people dying, and America showing off it's six packs, i'm pissed that WAR is going to affect everybody! (duh!) it's gonna affect where i live first!!

Bush has the ball, he dribbles to front, he passes long to kuwait, kuwait gives off a one-two to Bush and Bush dives and heads it pass the opposite goalie Saddam, a GOAL!! what wonderful play!!

Since kuwait is helping the U.S of A, and kuwait is sharing borders with Iraq, who do you think Iraq will hit to get the shit off it's windshield? And what's another close place that was hit before by saddam in the gulf war? Dammam, Khobar, Dhahran (Aramco) in the eastern province of Saudi Arabia.. where i live :D

I still have those Gas Masks, i wonder of the oxygen expires :roll:

well said my frinds
can't say anything more
8)

As a Saudi living and working in Europe, educated most of my life in England and married to an English Lass; I am pleasantly surprised and heartened to see that all this hype coming out of the U.S. and Tony's cheap fear tactics of sending tanks into the streets of London does not affect your opinions.

Justy a few pointers "from the other side of teh fence", the streets of Kuwait are full of Kuwaiti tanks not to protect the country from Iraq, buit to protect the U.S. marines from the Kuwaiti population. That is not because the Kuwaitis love Saddam, but because they have large numbers of family and relatives in Iraq, that G.W. intends to kill with his smart bombs. The latest U.S. estimate is 4 million Iraqi civilian deaths. That from a nation that refuses to submit to the newly created International War Crimes Tribunal, broke 12 international laws of which 9 were proposed by the U.S.

We Arabs certainly have our social and cultural problems, we were hoping to cooperate and learn from more enlightened nations in Europe, but have been punished for the world's ills since the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

I think that the person who lives in Khobar can attest to the fact that Saudi Arabia as a nation developed in the last 28 years, the equivalent of 300 years in Europe. This was borne of hunger to improve and develop.

This speed has naturally brought on social difficulties; but did the UK invade Eire because it is a social breeding ground for IRA terrorists? Did the U.S. invade Germany because of the Baader Meinhof? I do not recall any threats or boycotts of Japan or Italy for their Red Brigades and the like.

As for Iraq, no doubt Saddam is an evil man, and his people have sufered long and hard under him, but invading his country to remove him and replace him with others shunned by their own people is not a solution for the country.

Why is it that in Afghanistan the "Peacekeeprs" control only a quarterof Kabul, and spend all their time protecting Karzai from Assassination attempts? If as is stated byt he U.S. that this is Taliban or ALQaeda, rest assured that they have left Afghanistan, and those fighting now are estranged and disenfranchised Afghans. The U.S. does not care because they pulled their troops and then orderd the UK to send their troops to die there. I guess British soldiers lives are cheaper.

Anyway, my apologies for digressing, more to the point of this forum, I recently installled the Stacker for 9210 all excited about freeing up addtional Device memory. I happily compressed all kinds of folders on C: drive. After rebooting nothin in the phone worked. I had to format and reinstall the essential software, so be careful what you squeeze, it may not like it! *I guess this piece of wisdom works for G.W. also.

did the UK invade Eire because it is a social breeding ground for IRA terrorists?
The IRA came about to liberate Ireland from English rule.
Did the U.S. invade Germany because of the Baader Meinhof?
The US wouldn't stand a chance at invading Germany.
As for Iraq, no doubt Saddam is an evil man, and his people have sufered long and hard under him, but invading his country to remove him and replace him with others shunned by their own people is not a solution for the country.
As we've seen through history, dispite most of Europe's countries having bad leaders at points, the tables were turned by the people in the end, without outside intervention.
Why is it that in Afghanistan the "Peacekeeprs" control only a quarterof Kabul, and spend all their time protecting Karzai from Assassination attempts? If as is stated byt he U.S. that this is Taliban or ALQaeda, rest assured that they have left Afghanistan, and those fighting now are estranged and disenfranchised Afghans. The U.S. does not care because they pulled their troops and then orderd the UK to send their troops to die there. I guess British soldiers lives are cheaper.
Nope, British soldiers are better trained, hence have a better life expectancy than the average American grunt. As for the people trying to kill their new "leader", they've seen the chance to instigate the government *they* want, not what America wants them to have. Same will happen in Iraq, the people aren't gonna run round praising America for getting rid of Hussein, and they won't be pleased when the Americans choose their new leader (who will happen to be a very pro-American puppet).

Now isn't that nice: kiddies talking about world policits. :bday:

Without the Americans, Britain would be called Britannien now and would be part of the 3rd Reich. Not to talk about France and Belgium who have been overrun in a glimpse of an eye.
Or imagine the Americans not doing anything about the USSR after the 2nd world war. How about this: Soviet Republich of Britain. Sounds nice, eh?!
I also wonder where the democracy would have been in many countries without Americans. Let's take Germany for example: the Germans started two world wars and they did that because of the naive neighbours like France and Great Britain who didn't understand what is happening.
But let's move to more recent politics: where would have Kuwait been without the Americans? Imagine Iraq and Saddam Hussein controlling a part of the oil resources in the Middle East. And imagine what Saddam would have done if he would have got away with Kuwait's occupation. What would have been next? Saudi Arabia or the whole Arab Emirates?
What about the Balkans? What did the Europeans do while hundreds of thousands of people died there? Yeah...they talked.
The comparisons you make (did US invade Germany because of Baader Meinhof...etc.) are childs play. You should learn about history and politics first and then start to post. Maybe SYMBIAN is the way to go for you, Switchblade. ;)
We Europeans should kiss the American's feet for what what they've done for us. We didn't deserve it. They risked their lives and let their people die for our benefit. Or do you really want to deny it?

Regarding the Army of France and Germany: both armies are ridiculous. Especially the german army couldn't move a foot without American backup. I am German and I did service for several years. The US Army is about 20 years ahead in military technology and strategy. Why do you think we have special training for german soldiers in the US?
So please stop talking about history, politics as long as you don't know what you're talking about. The Media in Europe started an anti-American sentiment among the population and people are stupid enough to fall for it.
I would like to see what happens if some terrorists would blow up London. Who would you call? Your mummy or US specialists.

What about the Internet? Would you stop using it because it is an US invention? Would you stop wearing Jeans, would you stop to listen to American music... Sorry to say that you're talkin BS.

Oh boy, arab nationalism at it's best. Learn what a democracy, human and women rights are and come back and talk to civilzed people.

I wish the Americans would have let Iran conquer the whole Middle East, at least guys like you wouldn't be here anymore. No internet...you know. This is american EVIL... :silly:

How old are you guys? 15, 18 maybe 20? How many wars did you fight, how many deads did you see (not on TV)?! It is easy to talk politics if you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

>Without the Americans, Britain would be called Britannien now
>and would be part of the 3rd Reich. Not to talk about France
>and Belgium who have been overrun in a glimpse of an eye.

And nobody mention the billions and billions of dollars made by US industry in profits from the two world wars. They just came along to help us out as soon as the war started and then the guys in U571 cracked Enigma...

>Or imagine the Americans not doing anything about the USSR
>after the 2nd world war. How about this: Soviet Republich
>of Britain. Sounds nice, eh?!

What did they do about the USSR? The started a cold war, refused to let it end in the middle 50s after lenin dies and new regime wanted to end it. Basically it was far more useful for the US to keep its populous in a state of perpetual war (a bit like the war on terrorism).

>I also wonder where the democracy would have been in many countries
>without Americans. Let's take Germany for example: the Germans
>started two world wars
>and they did that because of the naive neighbours like France
>and Great Britain who didn't understand what is happening.

Sorry what's that got to do with democracy?

Also remember that the US currently has a president that technically wasn't elected - and got as far as he did by perversion of the elecotral system by family and friends, mostly involving discriminating against poorer minorities in states like Florida.

>But let's move to more recent politics: where would have Kuwait been without the Americans?

Firstly - it would not have existed. It was the UK and US that setup the country as a nice little client state where the US / UK businesses could make money from oil and other natural resources.

Then maybe if the US and UK hasn't sold Saddam Hussain billions of dollars of WMDs during the 80s, Iraq wouldn't have been able to attack Kuwait.

>Imagine Iraq and Saddam Hussein controlling a part of the oil
>resources in the Middle East.

He did before he invaded Kuwait. That was back when the UK and US were selling him WMDs to wage war on Iran. And we turned a blind eye to him gassing Kurds back then. Now he's stopped being subserviant to the US - so now we hear about the terrible human rights abuses, and all these WMDs he might have.

>And imagine what Saddam would
>have done if he would have got away with Kuwait's occupation.
>What would have been next? Saudi Arabia or the whole Arab Emirates?

Yes - we wouldn't want an unelected religious nutter controlling all the oil. Instead we should let Bush occupy Iraq - but we'd still have an unelected religious nutter controlling the oil there...

>What about the Balkans? What did the Europeans do while
>hundreds of thousands of people died there? Yeah...they talked.
>The comparisons you make (did US invade Germany because of
>Baader Meinhof...etc.) are childs play. You should learn about
>history and politics first and then start to post. Maybe SYMBIAN is the way to go for you, Switchblade. ;)
>We Europeans should kiss the American's feet for what what
>they've done for us. We didn't deserve it. They risked their
>lives and let their people die for our benefit. Or do you really want to deny it?

Yes - but their businesses profited hugely. As they will from the US occupation of Afgahistan (mmmm pipeline...) And Iraq (mmmm oil....).

>Regarding the Army of France and Germany: both armies are
>ridiculous. Especially the german army couldn't move a foot
>without American backup. I am German and I did service for
>several years. The US Army is about 20 years ahead in military
>technology and strategy.

Of course it is! While kids in Chicago are malnourished at a rate similar to Sudan, the US is spending billions on waging war on Iraq and countless more billions on the militarization of space (son of star wars). With all this extra cash no wonder they have better military technology.

>Why do you think we have special
>training for german soldiers in the US?

Because they'll take anyone's money and train them. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were trained to fly at US flight training schools, some secure military facilities, all paid for by Saudi Arabia.

>I would like to see what happens if some terrorists would blow up London. Who would you call? Your mummy or US specialists.

Oh come one! London has been under terrorist threat from the IRA for over 30 years - and has been bombed by the IRA many times. And where does the majority of IRA funding come from? Bostom, MA, USA...

I'm amused by the Hollywood portrayal of the US Military as being full of crack commandos who can build a jet fighter out of a dust-bin and a piece of string.

What the US military has is technology and numbers, but not much in the way of brains. Where the US would send in thousands of troops to perform an operation, blowing everything up and killing hundreds of innocents, the British method is to send in as few people as possible, achieve the objectives and get out without anyone noticing that they were even there until it's too late.


A US general once said "give me American hardware and British soldiers and I'll take over the world"....... Ooops! Is that what's heppening?

to KSK
i know from where you are posting 100% (the good guys of the worlde) :evil:
why not say it out loud

Few points for KSK, the Brits had won the war against Hitler's Germany before the Americans decided to follow us home. The Americans only got involved in the firstplace because the Japanese thought they looked left out. As has been said the Americans rely on numbers in a war, this is how the Europeans fought when we still used swords and cannons. In modern conflict we should be thinking more about stopping conflict as soon as possible and minimising casualties.

Personally I think Saddam Hussein should be killed, but I don't think it is right for us to interfere with another country like that. Hell Hussein hasn't even tried to attack anyone and is only sitting in his own country and cooperating with the UN inspection so far.

As has been pointed out previously, millions of American kids starve every day (listen to a radio station on live365 and you'll keep beign told about it), yet the Americans have plenty of money to start wars and meddle with other countries, yet can't solve poverty in their own. Look to your own problems before interfering in other peoples situations.

TO KSK

>You should learn about history and politics first and then start to post

What history? The one taught in the US or the world history as is?

1. Let me remember when did 2nd WW started. Sept., 1st, 1939. When did US entered the war - first time it was 1941 - Pearl Harbor, and they have 'succesfully' lost the battle. Next time it was 1944 - a year before the final capitulation of Germany, when Soviet Army has already released the USSR on their own(Moscow, Kurskaya duga, Stalingrad - where the German army has lost the most of its power) and started releasing the Europe with the help of all European troops. America has entered the war when the war was won in general and time has come to fight for spheres of influence, not against the enemy. Oh, yes, there were few conferences of three world leaders during the war. What did America offered? MONEY, not soldiers. So do not show the US as a philanthropic organization, they were earning money, that's it.

Oh, btw, US even couldn't deal with Japan on their own even after Germany was beaten, they asked Stalin to help them. The Far Eastern troops of Soviet army had to fight against Japan after Germany signed the surrender act.

>What about the Balkans?
What about Chechnya? The US didn't dare to bomb Russia because they knew it's too dangerous - Russia has the nuclear weapon. Yugoslavia didn't. What about North Korea? The US won't dare to bomb it - it has nuclear stations, one casual movement - and Chernobyl will look like a small traffic accident comparing to this. What about Chile? Pinochet wasn't better than Saddam, but the country didn't have the oilfields, so the US didn't interfere. What about Turkmenistan? It's current president is like Saddam, but he's pro-US, so why to interfere, right?

USA are trying to be the world empire. What has happened to ALL world empires?

Remember the history. It always repeats itself.

First of all:

Everybody is entitled to have opinions, that's what forums are about.

BUT KSK has opinions, but you layed them down in a wrong way, starting with offending.
Now isn't that nice: kiddies talking about world policits. :bday:

You got a spelling mistake on politics :D (no offence)

That's not the point here, what is, is that I must say your opinion is way outta hand, did Bush pay you to say this?

It's so obvious, who watched BBC world yesterday? America hasn't got a REASON to hit Iraq! No reason!! How could they hit Iraq without a reason? First they say links with Al Qaeda, as has been said before, Bin Laden doesn't like Saddam, neither does Saddam like Bin Laden, now it's weapons of mass desruction, Saddam opened his gates, he hit no one, and simply said: "Search me" He's a hair away from saying good night! I don't wanna fight anymore! I surrender!! BUT STILL Bush want's to hit Iraq!! Everybody is saying NO! France doesn't like the idea, neither does Germany! But STILL the US wants to hit Iraq! How obvious could this be? Don't you go around telling me "where would we be without America" and whatever, it's right in front of you!

America is the SCHOOL BULLY! And it's picking on someone else!

IMO

so sad that this things is happening..... :oops:

KSK thinks that Foxhound is like 18 years old..

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL :D :D :D

That is soo funny


Anyway, you and foxhound are from the same country... ops ;) :robot:

Anyway, setting the stage straight IMHO opinion. Answer the following?

1. Does everybody here agree Iraqi President Saddam Hussein is evil and needs to be replaced?

2. Does it ever occur to everybody here that the US does indeed have intelligence they don't want to be dried up of what Pres. Saddam is doing. If ever the US knows something that it can't show the world by all means go ahead and attack Iraq. I am not a Saudi but I have worked in this country for the past 7 years and I am not willing to give that up or give this country up. To be honest I have spent 80% of my life in this country than mine and if Iraq or Osama Bin Laden want to destroy or harm this country BY ALL MEANS US pre-emptive strike is GOOD TO GO for me. Not just to protect my interest in this country but as a way of me saying thanks for all the years this country has fed me.

3. Lastly, IMHO I really hate it when OSB uses Islam as an excuse for his war against the US or infidels. Islam is a religion and SHOULD NEVER NEVER BE ALLOWED TO BE USED AS AN EXCUSE FOR SOMETHING THAT INVOLVES KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE. TRUE ISLAM Followers speak up. (I am not muslim)

to KSK
i know from where you are posting 100% (the good guys of the worlde) :evil:
why not say it out loud

I am German as I said.
Wenn Du es mir nicht glaubst, dann bist Du selbst schuld Du Blödmann.
Oder sollte ich lieber Kindskopf sagen?!

Regarding Britain: is that guy serious about winning the 2nd WW against Germany without the Americans? How old are you? 12? I know many british soldiers, even veterans from WW2 and they are so thankful for the US help. Ask you father but probably he's too young to know. ;)
Britain even used American pilots (not to speak about pilots from Poland and even jewish pilots from "Palestine") because they didn't have enough qualified personell. Did you ever learn History at school? Did you ever attend school? Just curious about your education level. :rofl:

You guys watch too much TV and read too much BS on the internet.
Why not try to educate yourself guys: take 10 different local newspapers, take 10 different international newspapers (I hope you speak foreign languages too) and try to find out what the truth is. You'll be surprised how the Medial plays with reader sentiments. Sometimes you even find articles with different opinions in the same newspaper.

This conflict is about oil? Iraq supplies now around 3% of the world production. Why don't the Americans attack the Emirates/Saudia Arabia. Wasn't Bin Laden a saudi citizen before they revoked his citizenship?
C'mon guys, educate yourself, grow up a little bit and come down to reality. Reality bites...ya know. ;)

TO KSK

>You should learn about history and politics first and then start to post

What history? The one taught in the US or the world history as is?

1. Let me remember when did 2nd WW started. Sept., 1st, 1939. When did US entered the war - first time it was 1941 - Pearl Harbor, and they have 'succesfully' lost the battle. Next time it was 1944 - a year before the final capitulation of Germany, when Soviet Army has already released the USSR on their own(Moscow, Kurskaya duga, Stalingrad - where the German army has lost the most of its power) and started releasing the Europe with the help of all European troops. America has entered the war when the war was won in general and time has come to fight for spheres of influence, not against the enemy. Oh, yes, there were few conferences of three world leaders during the war. What did America offered? MONEY, not soldiers. So do not show the US as a philanthropic organization, they were earning money, that's it.

Oh, btw, US even couldn't deal with Japan on their own even after Germany was beaten, they asked Stalin to help them. The Far Eastern troops of Soviet army had to fight against Japan after Germany signed the surrender act.

>What about the Balkans?
What about Chechnya? The US didn't dare to bomb Russia because they knew it's too dangerous - Russia has the nuclear weapon. Yugoslavia didn't. What about North Korea? The US won't dare to bomb it - it has nuclear stations, one casual movement - and Chernobyl will look like a small traffic accident comparing to this. What about Chile? Pinochet wasn't better than Saddam, but the country didn't have the oilfields, so the US didn't interfere. What about Turkmenistan? It's current president is like Saddam, but he's pro-US, so why to interfere, right?

USA are trying to be the world empire. What has happened to ALL world empires?

Remember the history. It always repeats itself.

As I said...kiddies or adolescents talking politics. No offense taken, I was a big enemy of the US and the imperialist capitalist world too 20 years ago during my studies. All my friends were...one of them even lives now in the US.
I won't comment on your WW2 thing...this is more than ridiculous.
I bet you're also somebody who believes in Conspiracy Theories, etc.
Only a few things: the US asked Stalin to help ? Are you serious? The US delivered tanks and equipment to the USSR. And who invaded Italy and France? Britain? Who else? Yep, the US. What the hell are you talking about...did you ever have a history book in your hands or did you ever talked to WW2 veterans or people who went through the war? Oh boy (I guess I should say...oh girl).

What about Chechnya? Well, WHAT about it? The Russians have all the rights to fight the rebels, it is only a pitty that the civil population is affected too and that Russian troops (not like US troops) don't care much about civil casualties. How does Grosny look now? And now take Baghdad? How does IT look now? Don't you think there is a big difference. This is actually the problem with US strategy: they want to keep civil victims low but the side effect is that many villains can escape easily by this method. So why should the US attack Russia? It is no secret that most western political leadern back Putin's Chechnya politics.
North Korea is a completely different story. They want money...this is ALL about money. China has a lot of influence on North Korea and I think this problem will be solved sooner or later...by force or not. The Iraq crisis is now 12 years old...not only 12 weeks or 12 months. Nobody wants to go to war, not even America. Now when you start talking about Chile, I start to understand where your political beliefs are. Grow up, kiddie and we talk again. What do YOU know about Pinochet and his regime? He was a villain but he wasn't a threat for world peace. And I guess the Americans had other problems in the 80s than removing Pinochet from power. Do you forget the USSR, my dear friend?! Turkmenistan? Are you kidding?!

The USA are trying to be a world empire? Well, I think they already are. But let me ask you something: is France occupied by US troops? Is Germany occupied by US troops? Is Italy occupied by US troops? What about Iraq (they were 100 km away from Baghdad), what about the Netherlands? What about Japan? What about South Korea and Taiwan? Are these countries occupied by US troops, are the governments controlled by US government or a military government? Oh boy, didn't read so much BS for a very very long time. Actually since my university years back in the wild 80s. Grow up little girl, life is fun when you know what it is all about. And earn some money too. Money changes opinions. ;)

Wow, where is this topic going to?!

I'm sure this topic was about the Attack on Iraq, not a history lesson! Your views on the attack on Iraq? Not your views on other people's knowledge!

It's so damn obvious, there is no reason to attach iraq! Did anyone see how many protesters there were yesterday? Worldwide?!

3. Lastly, IMHO I really hate it when OSB uses Islam as an excuse for his war against the US or infidels. Islam is a religion and SHOULD NEVER NEVER BE ALLOWED TO BE USED AS AN EXCUSE FOR SOMETHING THAT INVOLVES KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE. TRUE ISLAM Followers speak up. (I am not muslim)

Yeah, as a true Islam follower, i'm speaking up!

This is gonna go way off topic here, but it was community waffle, now it's Bookmarks and Musings :) So no one has to comment on what i'm about to say, it's about a religion, from a person that knows best of a religion, cause he's a follower of that religion. SO there's no need of opinions ;)

You know the problem these days? It's that islam is getting a bad reputation, the media (Tv, and stuff) are working on making islam a bad religion, nobody knows what islam really is! And they all think Islam has weird and akward rules in it. You see peoples' eyes widen when they hear that women have to cover their hair and wear what people resemble as "black tents", but do they know why? Why Islam has that rule? Let's take a country, let's say, umm the U.S! Well the U.S doesn't really have a religion it's a big mix of all sorts of stuff, well is there some kind of problem around in the U.S involving women and sex? Certainly is!! HIV! AIDS!! and the numerous so very numerous crimes that get commited every day, every hour, raping, killing, alot of crap happens, not just from women, it's from alotta rules. Lemme get this straight, If you see a Girl walking half naked on the street, what will your reaction be? Straightforward, the instinct in all men: "damn she's hot!! Look at that *ss!! Are those size 34's?" Well and the guy wants to what? know her? which then spreads into many different paths: A relationship where someone ends up with AIDS, or an unwanted baby, and problems with your family, problems which evolve, you get depressed that she broke up with you, you beat the crap outta the guy that was trippin' on your girl, the guy get's his ghetto and kills you, she ends up commiting suicide? Any of this could and DID happen!! now you must be thinking "this guy is crazy, just because that girl was walking only wearing a thong?" Yup, think about it, i don't think i'll ever get to you, but sooner or later, the world's vision will change on Islam, (so far it's going for worse) well people might say "hell! I live with naked whores my whole life! I've never encountered anything!" Well other people did, and you might be next!!

It's amazing how every rule in islam, that has something prohibited, is so because that thing will hurt you, or hurt other people. Wine is'nt allowed to be drunk in islam, well wine has bad affects on the human body, you might feel "nice" when drunk, but it kills brain cells! Think of anything not allowed to be done in Islam, it's only because it ain't good! So this religion is'nt akward, it's right

crypto was saying:

Islam is a religion and SHOULD NEVER NEVER BE ALLOWED TO BE USED AS AN EXCUSE FOR SOMETHING THAT INVOLVES KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE. TRUE ISLAM Followers speak up. (I am not muslim)

Yeah and he's right! I have studied the past of islam (duh :D) and from the times of our prophet, they didn't kill innocent people, on contrary, when he had hostages, he didn't kill them, while his enemies killed those hostages, when he used to spread islam into another country, he didn't kill them, he was nice and won their friendship and their hearts to islam.

I could go on speaking forever, as the world's view has flipped upside down on islam! Just one more thing, before people start saying "what the hell, did you see their rules in Afghanistan and stuff?" I say: Islam followers these days are one of three: Either too strict and strict enough to make stuff up that aren't there, either too easy and barley doing anything (they're just muslims by name), or what they really should be, in between, the right way. Not strict enough to make new rules, or not too easy to abide all rules.

Thank you for listening :D (reading)

>I am German as I said.
>Wenn Du es mir nicht glaubst, dann bist Du selbst schuld Du Bl?dmann.
Oder sollte ich lieber Kindskopf sagen?!

I do not claim anything. But the fact that I speak English, Russian and Arabic doesn't mean that I live in any of the English-speaking countries, Russia or Middle East or have their nationality.

>As I said...kiddies or adolescents talking politics. As I said...kiddies or adolescents talking politics. No offense taken, I was a big enemy of the US and the imperialist capitalist world too 20 years ago during my studies

"kiddies or adolescents" have finished the uni just a few years ago so remember some things better than some adults.

>Only a few things: the US asked Stalin to help ? Are you serious? The US >delivered tanks and equipment to the USSR.

Yes I'm serious. Yes, they delivered tanks and equipment to the USSR, I never said they didn't.
Conference in Yalta 4-11 February 1945. One of the questions discussed - whether the USSR enters the war with Japan. Roosevelt, the US president, INSISTED on it. Stalin agreed, but demanded South Sahalin and Kuriles in return.
Check the map - Russia owns them now.

>did you ever have a history book in your hands or did you ever talked to >WW2 veterans or people who went through the war?

Both. I have master degree in international relations (Middle East specialization) and my grandpa is WW2 veteran. You?


>What about Chechnya? Well, WHAT about it? The Russians have all the rights to fight the rebels, it is only a pitty that the civil population is affected too and that Russian troops (not like US troops) don't care much about civil casualties.

Oh, really, I'm impressed. The US troops care a lot about civil casualties?? Hospitals, bridges, trains when bombing Sarajevo.. Weren't they civil object with civilians there? So what about Yugoslavia? Kosovo, Sarajevo... Wasn't it its internal affair? I'm afraid former Yugoslavia was just a testing land for the US "smart" (inverted commas are mine) weapon. USA are from being the noble savior.
Politics and history were my previous speciality at the uni. It was too dirty. So I'm tech support now.

>What do YOU know about Pinochet and his regime? He was a villain but >he wasn't a threat for world peace.

Miloshevich was a threat for wold peace?

>And I guess the Americans had other problems in the 80s than removing >Pinochet from power. Do you forget the USSR, my dear friend?!

After 1985 the USSR was no longer a threat.

>Turkmenistan? Are you kidding?!

NO, I'm not. Its regime doesn't differ a lot from the Iraqi one. The only difference is Turkmenistan doesn't produce weapon. But there's no evidence that Iraq does.

>And earn some money

Already do.

> Money changes opinions. ;)

The whole US budget won't make me believe that they have any right to to interfere in the domestic affairs of other countries, bomb them without ANY cleraly explained reason ... and that they won the WW2. They don't.

Way to go Hera, way to go !! :halfrobot:

don't really care about this discussion but I just want to say that it takes 2 to start this war and I would blame Iraq and America... They are both responsible. And in the end it will be them that have to solve this 'problem'.

If in 2000 year USA had only one problem - Bush,
in 2001 year USA had two problems - Bush and Osama,
in 2002 year there are Bush, Osama and Iraq,
in 2003 year there are Bush, Osama, Iraq and North Korea

then if in 2004 there will be half of the world, may be it would be better
to solve the first problem before all?

Yeah i agree with solving the problem, (and i don't like Saddam by the way) but it seems he's standing with his hands in the air, and saying "search me", while the US is stubborn and keeps saying "naa, i'd like a strip search one more time" :P

:D

Firstly, Go Hera! ;)

Secondly, KSK can have his/her opinions but the idea of an opinion is to express it, not flame people for the truth.

Thirdly, for the comments on Islam, I think we'll find that any major religions also preach the same values, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism. Personally I have had a Christian upbringing and one scripture keeps coming to mind (although I cannot remember the exact wording and am not going to hunt the New Testament now for it), it is along the lines of: "Before any man accuses his brother of sinning, let him first make sure his house is in order." , and a similar one along the lines of "Let him, whose house is in order, cast the first stone.". This is relating to the idea of sorting out your own problems before you pick up on others faults.
Looking at that another way if your neighbours up the road were having a domestic disagreement you would not interfere. In a similar fashion Saddam Hussein may not be a nice leader, but he is a leader and how he leads the country is his business. Toppling him is his countries job, not ours, because who is to decide whether our opinion is right. We may think we are, but to touch on religion again the Jews think God is the only god, Christians think that Jesus is the son of the Jewish God and part of three parts of God, Islams believe that Allah is god, and Hindu's have too many gods for me to figure out. We won't know until we die if any of these is right, or if any of them is right, you choose one or none in life and follow what you believe. In some countries it is believed the best system of government is to kill the last ruler and take his place, on others it is to vote for a leader you think best represents what you want, effectively you could argue that if this is the precedent, Holland could be invaded for voting in a political party the Americans didn't like. Just because we see something as wrong it is not our place to judge and pass out punishment because we are stronger than others.

Forthly and finally, to :) regarding the treatment of your religion. It is easier for people to pick up and hate a religion that is alien to them than to create xenophobia for all the Islamic nations. Be proud of who you are (as I know you are) as they can't take away from you no matter what they say about your religion.

i want to talk about Islam but my english is not that good and i'm not good enough to talk about it.
i may do more harm than good
but i'll say one thing:
Islam is noy just a religion it's a way of life

>Both. I have master degree in international relations (Middle East specialization) and my grandpa is WW2 veteran. You?

Check my Username, if you have the power of knowledge, you know what and who I am. I won't tell you details because you wouldn't believe me anyway but I am what I am.

Regarding religions: look back at the history and you learn how many were killed in the name of god. Religion should be something positive, something to influence people to do good and help others.
I know that some of you are kiddies from islamic states or with islamic background. But then you shouldn't use the Internet, an "evil" American invention. You shouldn't wear Jeans, an "evil" jewish American invention. And you definetely shouldn't speak English, English is the language of the "evil". ;)

C'mon, kiddies...grow up and learn. Learn from History, learn from adults and learn from people who walked over dozens of dead bodies and know things you couldn't even imagine. I wonder why I loose my time here, just wanted to talk about my 3650 MIL version I got from Nokia for testing. But maybe this place isn't quite the right place. I need adults to talk to, not kiddies. :bday:

Shall we run a sweepstake on whether or not KSK can formulate an argument that doesn't resort to childish flames calling everyone kiddie or ignoring the blatently obvious?

Check my Username, if you have the power of knowledge, you know what and who I am. I won't tell you details because you wouldn't believe me anyway but I am what I am.

You are a guest, and in this case, someone who either doesn't want to reveal their identity because they know they cannot argue their corner without resorting to insults so hides behind the banner or anonymity where real thought needn't apply.

Anywho big up this thread, my most popular comment yet! I knew I'd manage a good one. ;)

Shall we run a sweepstake on whether or not KSK can formulate an argument that doesn't resort to childish flames calling everyone kiddie or ignoring the blatently obvious?

Obvious? Well, it is pretty obvious for me that I have to deal with kiddies. Adults can't be that blind. ;) Telling the truth means flaming? Ah, right...I see. You want arguments? Well, talk to a dog using arguments...I'm sure he listens but does he understand? ;) :bday:

It is easy to be against something because you don't have to use your brain. Obvious things are seldom really obvious, trust me.
Does Iraq have weapons of mass destruction? Of course it does. And the fun part is: most people opposing the Bush/Blair actions know that. But they don't care, they want peace, not "war for oil" (I guess nobody is using a car and nobody uses fuel...oh well, I see...).
In Germany, german police just arrested three men (one of them a German of Iraqi descent) trying to build parts for a scud rocket launch system and send the illegaly to Iraq. Oh, I forgot: Iraq doesn't have Scuds anymore...so they need these launch system units for the microwave ovens in the local restaurants...I see. ;)

C'mon guys, don't be shy: if you're anti-American say it and don't try to find excuses. No problem with me, I'm anti-Iraq but at least I confess it. :)

Now I go to bed, I have work to do tomorrow. I guess I'm the only one here anywhere right now...kiddies already went to sleep. :angel:

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Regarding religions: look back at the history and you learn how many were killed in the name of god. Religion should be something positive, something to influence people to do good and help others.
I know that some of you are kiddies from islamic states or with islamic background. But then you shouldn't use the Internet, an "evil" American invention. You shouldn't wear Jeans, an "evil" jewish American invention. And you definetely shouldn't speak English, English is the language of the "evil".

I wouldn't be talking about religions if I we were you, talk about your own religion, and don't talk about others, because you don't have the least shallowest idea about Islam, i'm a muslim, i know WAY better than you :D
(so does Hera! It seems she can teach you a lesson or two in history :D)

Well in our religion, it doesn't say "since something is from the other side of the fence, don't use it!" from what you're saying that was the verdict! LOL!

People here never said internet was "evil" though it's american, but that's not the view of islam, what is good, it's okay, what's bad, it's not! Even if it came from the deepest darkest corner of the most hated place from islam, is it good? Yeah, well it's okay.

And that is right, think about it, what if you had a huge conflict with your neighbor, and he used spoons, will you be eating soup with a fork? Sure you can drink it, but will you still deny using the spoon just because you'll be "low" or lose your dignity if you used it? Well that's nonsense. And the internet is really good, it's a sea of knowledge! (and ofcourse there's bad stuff) Then there's jeans, KSK, are you crazy? EVERYONE WEARS JEANS!! That was so stupid of you! Your'e supposed to be an 'adult' or whatever, but what harm can be done by wearing jeans? (Wearing denim makes you look fat?! :P)

lol! :D Well in Islam it does say something about copying others, about nonmuslims, it says not to copy them in the bad habits they do, when you said jeans is evil, it's like you're saying "and pillows are evil" jeans is a very common thing! That's a stupid excuse you got there! (in my opinion) saying jeans is evil :D nobody ever said that here!! We're not allowed to copy their bad habits, and anything that could lead to their bad habits.

And finally english, english is way more good than evil. Hell! It's the most common used language on earth! It's number one on the language scale! And you know what? Our prophet told us to learn other country's langauges, and any muslim knows that. It's stupid to not know english and sit in the middle of the 21st century while everybody else is talking english, you'll have no way of communication, (you would'nt even be able to know the hot water from the cold :P)

I think it's more than obvious, now we know who the real Kind Smart Kiddie is :roll: (notice that the first two words are sarcasm, and the last isn't :D)

I'm not trying to change people's lives here, i'm trying to spray WD-40 on the rusted view of people to islam that is already falling apart. :D

here is a quote from Marshall Brian in How Stuff Works:
It's fascinating -- given that one billion people worldwide are members of the Islamic faith, including millions of people in the United States, it's amazing how little the average American knows about this religion and what it stands for.

Islam or any other religion, a person should and never be judged with his religious affiliation. Unless we all agree and accept that there a Christian murderers/rapist/thief and the same for Muslim murderers/rapist/thief the world ain't gonna be better one bit. It should start with all of us accepting the fact that human nature is evil and religion does little good in influencing it.

But we must also all agree in one very very essential point in this discussion, Islam or Christianity should never never be used as an excuse. So speak up people you have seen the "Abu Sayyaf" (Philippines) they claim Jihad they claim "Allah Akbar" but what do they do? So is it an accepted fact that this group uses Islam in a very very twisted way. If you agree to this then, you are part of the civilized and sane world.

How about the massacre of Christians in East Timor by Muslims, this I can't comprehend really so anybody here could enlighten me please do so.

That's a shame I thought KSK might stop flaming with the sweepstake going on, never mind. Lets all just throw insults at people with differing opinions because it is the supposedly "adult" way? Erm, since when, lol!

As for :) comments on Islam, they'll tear down your religion however they can, Christianity is the dominant religion in the west and they've been tearing it down for centuries. It all boils down to the governments don't want people having gods, as they don't want people believing in something more powerful than they are. Hence North Korea where their president is viewed as a god who makes the sun rise and crops grow etc, and they have no religion other than to praise him.

Laura, SwitchBlade, :) - thank you for support ;) :)

To KSK

>Check my Username, if you have the power of knowledge, you know what and who I am. I won't tell you details because you wouldn't believe me anyway but I am what I am.

Some special forces. So what? It doesn't prove your statements about history and US right to invade sovereign countries.

>Regarding religions: look back at the history and you learn how many were killed in the name of god. Religion should be something positive, something to influence people to do good and help others.

Exactly. Religion itself IS something positive, but there are people who can find excuse for killing others in ANY religion.
BTW, Islam is ~ 15 hundred years old. Do you remember how many people were killed in the name of God when Christianity was the same age? (I'm Christian if it matters)

>I know that some of you are kiddies from islamic states or with islamic background. But then you shouldn't use the Internet, an "evil" American invention. You shouldn't wear Jeans, an "evil" jewish American invention. And you definetely shouldn't speak English, English is the language of the "evil".

Does it mean that America will not use "evil" Arab inventions? Let's take the most common one - Arabic numerals. BTW, "algebra" as a word came from Arabs. I do not mention here French, Russian, English, German and other European inventions, as they're not considered "evil".

>Learn from History, learn from adults and learn from people who walked over dozens of dead bodies and know things you couldn't even imagine.

People who walked over dozens of dead bodies do not boast of it.

>just wanted to talk about my 3650 MIL version I got from Nokia for testing

3650 military version???? The one positioned by Nokia as a fashion phone for 'adolescents'?? :D :D Let me know if they send you N-Gage MIL as well :roll: :D

About American music - I do prefer French one and Italian (though hardly understand anything :( )

Shall we run a sweepstake

Sorry, SwitchBlade, I couldn't help posting my commnet :D

after my heart i swear

man is it hot in here or what
i'll say one thing
Hera CAN talk 8)

In alot of languages too!! ;)

she has my support all the way

Well since you're here, can you translate what Link posted above? :S

Well since you're here, can you translate what Link posted above? :S
i'v got nothing to with it :D

you brits are not better trained then us american soldiers...you are just jealous......suckers.......without us you are not shit for a country......and are our puppets...... :black:

americans did what they have to do....people from all over the world want peace and i think that's what do americans like to have. terrorists must be accountable on every bad act they did. it's not about taking over the world but what do americans deserve is justice for all those innocent people being killed :) :)

It seems that not all Americans agree with you(Neither do I)those innocent people were killed by osama bin laden,not saddam Hussein,what about the innocent Iraqi people who died I don't even want to start what bill Clinton and America has done to my and couple of neighbour countries

John Soros has donated 10 Million dollars to some organization in order to support them in their battle against the re-election of Bush.

ahhhh!! not this again!!! :-?

It seems that not all Americans agree with you(Neither do I)those innocent people were killed by osama bin laden,not saddam Hussein,what about the innocent Iraqi people who died I don't even want to start what bill Clinton and America has done to my and couple of neighbour countries

John Soros has donated 10 Million dollars to some organization in order to support them in their battle against the re-election of Bush.

i respect your opinion. we all long for world peace and i think it will take time to make it realized. :)

I would advice people to see the documentary: "Bowling for Columbine", which contains alot of historical facts about the USA and their war politics.

I don't think the USA have ever started or engaged in a war without having some kind of financial interest in it.

I also think most intelligent people will see that the USA acting as the "world police" is simply WRONG!