Ok... I've seen it in many descent software sites, Even handango's German Sister site... And its classed as Freeware... Hantro Video messaging... Ive come across it a few times... These are NOT warez sites by the way - these are sites that sell software etc... If anybody doubts this email hantro yourself. You WILL find it is freeware.

Rafe received a letter from hantro and it said that the software is not free to
distribute.
Sorry.

Rafe received a letter from hantro and it said that the software is not free to
distribute.
Sorry.

Hmmm - That almost contradicts my email recieved, can you freely distribute freeware like shareware? Because it may be freeware, but I think only shareware is free 'distributable' ...

hantro is freeware and it is ok to freely distribute it.. thats why its called FREEware

hantro is freeware and it is ok to freely distribute it.. thats why its called FREEware

yes Hanto IS FREEware .... But is FREEware freely distributable? SHAREware is [hence SHARE] But FREEware may not be... So it is ok to perhaps post a link to a download site - but not post the app, As it is FREEly available - BUT not FREE to SHARE [Or it would be SHAREware]

So can anyone post any adresses where it can be legally found.
And has no other warez. Something like handango site. Or straight from hantro.
And maybe the email too :D
Thanks.

As we said, HANTRO sent a letter to Rafe. What dont you understand? Or do you know better than Hantro? I dont think so.....I dont understand why you insist so much about this!

So can anyone post any adresses where it can be legally found.
And has no other warez. Something like handango site. Or straight from hantro.
And maybe the email too :D
Thanks.

Yeah sure - Will post email when at office [Its on outlook]

its availble here Zipper receives 1 warning - J2 Its availbe at some other sites if you wish

Ok - My sec has got back to me- Freeware IS NOT freely distributable - IN THAT - I can not freely send the App to anyone on here - That is classed as SHAREWARE [You will find Demos are SHAREWARE mainly]. BUT Freeware is avaialable FREELY to download from authorized sites [IE the one i posted above].

In short - Yep its free ware so links to sites are ok, But you cannot post the APPLICATION ITSELF on here.

NO offense [I am not attacking ANYONE]- But why do I have a warning? We are clearing up the issiue here - If you read carefully - BOTH emails are correct - It is NOT freely Distributable - How ever it IS free to download from Sites etc...

I just saw the website,dont understand much German,but from what i saw,i dont think it is a warez site.

So I make a site and have it for download is not distributing? How do I know that this guy at the site you mentioned is allowed to have it on his site just because he also thought that freeware means distributing?

You have received a warning from me due to the fact that you posted a link even after being told not to link to the program.

Rafe spent a fair while removing that (and other programs from the site)

We have been sent a Letter from Hantro and a licence agreement, which clearly states that this application is not to be linked to/hosted or any other way you can think of.

If you feel this warning is unfair then please say so to another senior admin and they will discuss.

The other senior admins are, Rafe, Ewan & Dazler.

So I make a site and have it for download is not distributing? How do I know that this guy at the site you mentioned is allowed to have it on his site just because he also thought that freeware means distributing?

MaleBuffy - I AM NOT ATTACKING YOU. However it is apparent from your posts you have not clearlly read the topic through, Please dont attack me on the account of I have found something out and I am trying to share it with the community [This IS the idea of a public forum].

GhostDog - U can use http://world.altavista.com/ to translate if you wish. Thank-you for being open minded.

Malebuffy - The latter section of your post concerning the creation of a website, You would need prior Authorization from hantro. So you can not make a website and legally distribute it at your own will. And the rather saracastic comment about the " how do we know he has authorization" - Well, The same way you know how handango can distrobute its freeware products.

I agree that this could be a mixup.
But there might be some exceptions for Hantro's restriction.
Like why is it available on a respectable German site?
Maybe its available for Germans only but that wouldn't make sense because the internet does not know boundries.
Anyway,i totaly agree with AAS policy concerning Hantro so there is no point in continuing this discussion.

So can anyone post any adresses where it can be legally found.
And has no other warez. Something like handango site. Or straight from hantro.
And maybe the email too :D
Thanks.
I got a warning replying to that :o :(
[No hard feelings]

Well,the mods/admins might have been a little too hard on you but also,you got Honoured Forum Elder status :D

Well,you also got Honoured Forum Elder status :D

Yeah True :) Even though I dont quite understand how that works cause u have a thousand something posts but still the 'honored forum elder' Im sure something is wrong.... Didnt some one else have that avatar? and you had that head one - Im SURE you said it was a male underwear model or sumat....

Zipper - Sorry about that :D

Well,you also got Honoured Forum Elder status :D

Yeah True :) Even though I dont quite understand how that works cause u have a thousand something posts but still the 'honored forum elder' Im sure something is wrong.... Didnt some one else have that avatar? and you had that head one - Im SURE you said it was a male underwear model or sumat....

Yes,that is me,but i have changed my avatar,this is my beloved grandpappy :D

Hantro own their application. They have clearly stated to AAS that under the Licence Agreement of the application, redistribution of the application is not allowed. As it is their application it is their call. Irrespective of what other sites do, we'll do what is legal.

AAS will not allow hosting of this app, or linking of this app on our boards. This is incredibly clear to everyone concerned. I stand by J2TheIzzo's decisions he's made re: postings on this thread...

</end Senior Admin note>

...but I'll just add this. And it's a general point, not addressed to any individual. There's a huge debate going on about software piracy and how we can help support the authors, and there are still people on this forum trying to pull crap like this. Get over it or get off AAS. I'd much rather be doing constructive work to help Symbian OS than explain time and again why we can't host illegal software.

Hantro own their application. They have clearly stated to AAS that under the Licence Agreement of the application, redistribution of the application is not allowed. As it is their application it is their call. Irrespective of what other sites do, we'll do what is legal.

Is what im TRYING to convey - Redistribution is NOT acceptable, however people are confussing this with distribution. IT IS OK for an AUTHORIZED site to host this application, HOWEVER Me posting THE APPLICATION ITSELF is classed as REdistribution. I agree its there call, and this is that is what they have told me.

people on this forum trying to pull crap like this. Get over it or get off AAS. I'd much rather be doing constructive work to help Symbian OS than explain time and again why we can't host illegal software.

I AM NOT TRYING TO PULL CRAP - I am explaining HANTRO'S Stance, the DIFFERENCE and Finites of FREEware and SHAREware. LEGALLY it is OK to LINK to a site hosting this file, however Hosting it WITHOUT permission IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

I am surprised at peoples ignorance regarding legality of Shareware and freeware.

MODS only - If you PM me, I will send you links to the sites to confirm the above information.

I wasnt posting it as a debate, I am stating it as fact. I am sorry if this, along with the detail of freeware and shareware was unclear to you.

Again there is no proof that the site you posted is legaly hosting the software. To be honest I cantr take your word or the webmasters for it! Hence I regard the link as link to warez.

Again there is no proof that the site you posted is legaly hosting the software. To be honest I cantr take your word or the webmasters for it! Hence I regard the link as link to warez.

Well its not a warez site, what I dont understand is, you'll link to sites such as handango, I havnt seen any one get a warning for www.handango.com - Yet I get a warning for posting to THERE GERMAN SISTER site www.obviouslynotawarez.com ... And other acceptable sites. Do you have some 'deal' with handango that you will only allow linking to there english site? Tell me if you do, cause that would clear it all up

The long and short of it is that Operators such as T-mobile (germany), Wind (Italy) are the only people I know of that have paid for distribution licence for this application, and so it is only available to their customers through their sites and their route of distrubution, which does not include a non-commercial site which you linked to.

Well its not a warez site, what I dont understand is, you'll link to sites such as handango, I havnt seen any one get a warning for www.handango.com - Yet I get a warning for posting to THERE GERMAN SISTER site www.obviouslynotawarez.com ... And other acceptable sites. Do you have some 'deal' with handango that you will only allow linking to there english site? Tell me if you do, cause that would clear it all up

Well for a start, nobody gets a warning for linking to Handango because handango does not contain warez.

If the so called GERMAN SISTER SITE (LOL) has Hantro for download, why doesnt handango too?

As I said like 666 times, the site you posted might not contain other warez, however it DOES contain a link to download Hantro and WE that is AAS cannot and do not want to link to such a site because I for instance do not believe that this site is authorised to host this application hence it is illegal even though they state that it is freeware or shareware or whatever. I just cant take their word for it!

As for Handango and AAS having a deal, of course we have and we encourage people to buy from our handago shop because it help with the cost of running this site, however we do NOT and have NEVER deleted links to other shops.

Ok, Im an employee of Hantro, nothing fancy, I deal with implementing the software into the devices... This cought my interest, First of all, Your all right... Yes zipper is right, no it cant be redistributed, for reasons zipper said. Secondly, zipper is wrong about direct linking to the ftp that site hosts it on, you can do that unless site says u cant etc...

Secondly, Some of you guys would argue black is white. I mean argueing of legality of websites, I bet if one of you said white was white malebuffy would argue white is indeed black! - I find it odd how malebuffy doesnt seem to have looked at the websites, yet he still contends as to their validity. Handango does not host our software cause its german language - for the time being anyway, thats why you havnt seen it on there [Thought that might have been obvious].

Third up, everyone get a life, zipper, jyrik and ESPECIALLY malebuffy. [no offense]

Amin Edit: This post may not be from Hantro. It comes from a UK based IP address. Hantro does not have an office in the UK so it is possoble/likely that this is not a Hantro person. Please note Handango's German site is http://www.handango.com/de/ and the software does not appear here. Sites mentioned as being Handango German sister are not related to Handango.

Did someone just say something? :D

So after all that - Its ok to link to a website hosting Hantro, I do see there point of why not many sites host it, As its german, cant believe i didnt think of that! It was obvious!

Ok, my statement.

The whole situation with the warnings make me sick!!!

Zipper just posted a link and the mod gave him a warning.
Just make a statement about it and tell him what's wrong with the post, not immediately send him a warning.

(OK i am not in the mood these days and when I see such thinks I get really MAAAAD)

At least respect these people for the long time they spend in this forum,these people make the forum interesting not moderators

I may sound offensive/strick but I just can't stand it, although I don't have any warnings and I am still a beginner here.

PS: When you give power to someone weak, he will become greedy and eventually will destroy you. And when he will understand what he had done and see the consicuences, it would be too late.-THIS IS MY WARNING TO THE MODERATORS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THEIR WEBSITE/FORUM.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Ok, my statement.

The whole situation with the warnings make me sick!!!

Zipper just posted a link and the mod gave him a warning.
Just make a statement about it and tell him what's wrong with the post, not immediately send him a warning.

(OK i am not in the mood these days and when I see such thinks I get really MAAAAD)

At least respect these people for the long time they spend in this forum,these people make the forum interesting not moderators

I may sound offensive/strick but I just can't stand it, although I don't have any warnings and I am still a beginner here.

PS: When you give power to someone weak, he will become greedy and eventually will destroy you. And when he will understand what he had done and see the consicuences, it would be too late.-THIS IS MY WARNING TO THE MODERATORS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THEIR WEBSITE/FORUM.

I'm not going to get into a 'mass-dibate' :) about this, i'd just like to say this is a bit OTT.

Zipper can get a second opinion on his warning if he feels the need, but i'd like to point out that the Hantro T-mobile appication has been banned for sometime, it's fair enough that he may have over looked this, but it seems he has posted the link again (as a guest).

I am locking this thread for now, as I can see anything constuctive coming from it, only pointless arguements.

Having said that I don't want to deny anyone their freedom of speech, so if anyone would like to add some comments to this thread, then please contact me or any admin/moderator to give you 2 cents, but as it stands I can see the repeating pattern of 'undesirable' links appearing left, right and centre.

<Senior Admin Hat on>

(1) AAS recieved a legal notification that the Hantro Video App was to be removed and not linked to from our Forum.

Irrespecitive of your misunderstandings on freeware, shareware and what a software licence is, the AAS position is clear. AAS asks you not to post a link to Hantro. You did. That's a warning. And a pretty clear cut one at that.

(2) The only authorised sites to distribute Hantro are WIND and T-MOBILE Germany, to their own customers. Any other link is unauthorised. Again, pretty clear cut, and born out with the letter AAS recieved.


I AM NOT TRYING TO PULL CRAP - I am explaining HANTRO'S Stance, the DIFFERENCE and Finites of FREEware and SHAREware. LEGALLY it is OK to LINK to a site hosting this file, however Hosting it WITHOUT permission IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.


See points (1) and (2) and teh rules of the AAS Forum you agreed to when you joined. And you were linking to a site not authorised by Hantro. Whoops.


I am surprised at peoples ignorance regarding legality of Shareware and freeware.


Let's see, you want to accuse one of the founder members of FreEPOC on a definition of freeware that is incorrect, misinformed, and plain wrong? Christ on a bike. You're definitions are wrong and you can read why on the Topic you started to discuss your viewpoint/


I wasnt posting it as a debate, I am stating it as fact. I am sorry if this, along with the detail of freeware and shareware was unclear to you.


Your facts were wrong. You were told that and blundered on breaking pretty much every rule we have on illegal software. Is it any wonder when the moderators and admin spend so much time trying to keep this site clean of warez that when we tried to calmly correct this you kept on going and got annoyed when we took stronger action???

I'll just quickly add here that Ewan is absolutely right in his post.

I have been able to confirm that the sites in question do not have distribution rights. These right currently reside with Operators (this is the only way hantro currently plan to release the software). Only these operators can distribute the software. If you think there is another source that does please contact me privately and I will check it out. if a site is offering a copy of the software do not link to it without first checking with me (hope that's clear).

I am dissappointed that the mods have been criticised here. They are following my instructions (which are in turn as a result of a legal letter from Hantro). If you have a problem you should contact me as the forums rules indicate. Please understand that we do try to be fair. If you have a problem there is a mechanism for dealing with this. The mods help for free in their own time and follow guidelines set by me. They were made perfectly clear in this case. The moderators have not made a mistake here.

Handango's German site is http://www.handango.com/de and does not distribute the software. The site mistakenly referred to as Handango's sister is not related to Handango.

I hope this is clear.

Rafe

P.s. I have since confirmed the post supposedly from Hantro is fake.