In defense of the Nokia E90... [Archive] - All About Symbian Forums

martinharnevie

25-09-2007, 06:49 AM

Steve, I largely agree with what you say in this article. One general comment though.

The article is narrowly comparing the S60 Communicators with the S80 Communicators and Psion 5mx. While this might be of interest per se, I think this alone should not guide future firmware upgrades of the E90 nor other future devices in the E9x series. The S80 devices, as per Ewan's previous article, were far from perfect.

Instead, one should take a step back and ask the more broader question; what do the mobile professionals really require in all target markets around the world? Mobile professionals include journalists, lawyers, business(wo)men, mobile sales(wo)men etc. What features do they need? For capturing information. For rearrange information. For editing and packaging information. And for diseminating information to their organisation, customers and partners. Nokia's weakness is that they have never seriously done this. Instead their devices often appear to be an aggregate of whatever features that are cost effectively at hand at that particular time. The UI and features of the E90 could have been far better, with just a little analysis, target market understanding and common sense. This should guide the future E9x devices.

One additional minor comment; let's not dismiss faxing just because it's not in the E90. Sure, faxing is obsolete in most of Europe. But it's considered a very effective, secure and fast business tool in the rest of the world, even the US. The removal of fax machines doesn't mean that faxing is outdated. Much of the faxing today is between computers. They just use the fax protocol since it's effective and secure.

svdwal

25-09-2007, 06:52 AM

Some points about the E90, as I have now been using one for a week or three.

1) The basic agenda function. The problem with agenda being basic is not aganda itself, but the point that a lot of people, especially business users, will synch with Outlook. This means that your agenda must be at least as powerfull as Outlook. So if I create a multiday event in Outlook having no start and stop times, I expect to see a multiday event without start and stop times in my phone's agenda. If I change that on the phone, I expect to see these changes being moved back perfectly in Outlook.
Agenda cannot be simple on a business device because it must be able to deal with complex agenda entries from other places too. The device formfactor is irrelevant for that.

2) Faxing. An anecdote. Two weeks a go I got an email and some paperwork (in a .doc) from a very well-known name in the market related to probably the biggest name in the mobile phone business of them all (the vagueness is deliberate). The paperwork had to be faxed back.
So much for the fax being outdated in the West.

3) shortcut keys, and how to become aware that they exists. Yes, there are shortcuts, and when they work, they work just fine. Problems are: you don't know whether one works or not unless you try, and you have to look in the paper manual to find out which ones exists.
In laptop mode, using shortcuts is as easy as on the 9300i. Getting to know them quickly and conveniently is the problem.

In hardware terms, the E90 is much better than the 9500/9300i, and some apps (the webbrowser) are now really usefull because of that. In software terms, the 9500/9300i hold their own much better.

Sander van der Wal
www.mBrainSoftware.com

martinharnevie

25-09-2007, 06:54 AM

This site going American now? "Defense" with an 's'?
Actually I think the 's' is allowed in commonwealth English as well.

Though I spell it with 'c' which is most common in SE Asia and India.

And it's "Jane's Defence Weekly".

slitchfield

25-09-2007, 09:21 AM

The problem, as I understand it, is that 3G and fax CSD are bad bedfellows. Do you know of ANY device with both 3G and native fax capability? Thought not.

So you can't blame Nokia for leaving it out. It's a tech thing, with 3 and 3.5G data being cutting edge and fax being at least a decade (if not two) old.

For fax to work on a mobile device, the hardware would have to boot into GSM mode, I think. If someone who's more technical than me would care to comment here?

richardyates

25-09-2007, 10:13 AM

I don't really want to divert a perfectly sensible thread, so one last time - it depends on the circles you move in Steve, but the "s" spelling isn't even in my Oxford English Dictionary

And when I lived in Aus, it was "c" there as well.

Anyway keep up the good work!!

BDSawicki

25-09-2007, 11:25 AM

Steve, thank you for this article. I fully agree with you!

Although I have been the 9210 and 9500 long time user, I find the e90 a very good replacement for these devices. And I believe Nokia has made a huge step forward with this device.

Of course, it has some drawbacks (like the PIM application), but most of them can fortunately be cured by third party soft. What it certainly does not have is the main drawback of the 9500 - i.e. slow hardware!

I am a very happy user of mine e90.

Borys

Unregistered

25-09-2007, 12:11 PM

1) As an huge update of the firmware, can we imagine a S60 Feature Pack 2 on the E90 ? ... if yes, what would really change ?

2) Steve, you say "camera functions are somewhat secondary to the E90's general existence": what is the E90 really made for ?
I am afraid that the only category that makes him a champion is... its price !
All other features will have better competitors, even for the keyboard (if you must use your thumbs because of its hardness, an E61 for instance may be better). The web browser does not allow you to copy and paste your results, nor to save pages in a workable format as HTML...
Meanwhile, one thing it seems to be the best, is for watching movies !!!

3) At last, is not it disgraceful that after having spent such an amount of money, you have to pay again for replacing almost all the basic apps by 3rd party' ones ?
... worst, this will make your Calendar, Mail, Agenda shorcuts unuseful as the new app cannot be assigned to these keys !

4) All that being said, thank you for your great reviews Steve :)

My-Symbian.com

25-09-2007, 12:13 PM

@ -miniME-:

It's quite interesting how people like you think that writing anything positive about the E90 requires being bribed or sponsored by Nokia. I have a couple of the same sort of people on my forums. I actually even almost stopped discussing about the E90 some time ago because I got tired of such accusations.

I'll have to disappoint you but I was never offered any kind of sponsorship by any Symbian OS phone manufacturer or Symbian itself. Which I actually consider a little bit sad, considering that I've been running My-Symbian for 8 years now, i.e. the longest of all, and most of that time being also the most popular Symbian OS website in the Internet, with AAS only taking the lead a year or so ago (which, considering them going commercial and their large team of editors vs. me alone and not even running the site full-time can't be considered a defeat) and all the remaining sites including Nokia sponsored ones like WOM World not even coming close in terms of traffic and visitor count. But Nokia apparently prefers to sponsor small sites which never achieve a fraction of AAS' or My-Symbian's popularity, and it's their right to sponsor whoever they want so it's fine with me.

Anyway, I don't think it takes a genius to understand that some people may simply like the E90 despite its several shortcomings. I did mention in my review what I don't like about the E90, but I apparently can live with it. The E90 definitely isn't perfect but while bashing it why don't you clearly name a smartphone you consider better than the E90 - more feature rich, more stable and easier to use, with less bugs or problems. Can you find any such device?

Of course, we should complain about what we don't like because this way we can make the manufacturer aware of what has to be improved in the next model or in the upcoming firmware updates for the E90. Steve's above list serves that purpose very well, so does my review. But while you're free to complain as much as you want (and you are), other people are free to praise the E90 if they like it and you have to accept it just like your complaints are accepted (and they are; I haven't seen any satisfied E90 user accusing you of being sponsored by Nokia competitors to defame their products. How would you feel, anyway? So try and imagine how Steve and I feel if accused of such things).

@ mr.orlowski:

Andrew, I understand that you don't like the E90. That's understandable. There's no device on Earth that would suit everybody. And I also understand many of your concerns, most of them are valid ones. And I too miss the Series 80 UI and, even more, I miss the Hildon UI, and everytime I look at my N800 Internet Tablet and I remind myself that the Hildon based Communicator was almost ready in 2003 and Nokia for some mysterious reasons cancelled it and killed something that would certainly turn into most successful PDA-phone on the market I get really sad and disappointed.

What I don't understand from your articles and posts, however, is that you're *NOW* so negative towards lack of fax and the S60 UI in the E90. For God's sake, you KNEW that the E90 would be S60 based and lacking fax for a loooong time. If not from other sources, then at least from my first pre-preview of the E90 published in December 2006 (and then removed on Nokia's request but copied on numerous websites all around the net). I'd understand a novice user who didn't know what S60 is and only realised that he doesn't like it after buying the E90. But you're a pro and you know what S60 is, how it works and looks like from dozens of other phone models. So what surprised you so negatively?

Another thing is that I can't remind myself of ANY Symbian OS based device released in the last 2 or 3 years you wouldn't totally condemn. Which means that you most probably don't like them all. And if so, then maybe you should simply ignore the whole Symbian OS market and start working with Windows Mobile devices or maybe the upcoming Linux smartphones? Why waste so much energy on something that doesn't suit you at all?

As I wrote, there's nothing wrong with listing drawbacks and complaining about them as it can only help make future firmware releases and new models better. But complaining all the time about the E90 being S60-based simply doesn't make sense, even if we both would very much prefer it to have Series 80 or Hildon UI. It doesn't have one and it's clear that it (or any future Communicator) won't have one because Nokia chose to limit itself to the S60 platform in all their Symbian OS based devices. One can repeat that S60 in a Communicator device is a cr*p but it won't change a thing. So why not get more constructive instead and start discussing about how to make S60 better and more suitable for Communicator devices instead of repeating like a broken record that it's bad and that's it....? That's precisely what Steve tries to do with his article.

Regarding the lack of fax (in all recent smartphones on the market, not just in E90), as Steve wrote, fax service unfortunately isn't supported by 3G and 3.5G networks. Yes, it would be really nice to still have fax in E90, but I can imagine all the complaints about the device switching itself to 2.5G on any fax activity. Would you be happy if your E90 was automatically closing its active 3G/HSDPA session and switching to 2G everytime someone called your fax number, sometimes maybe even by mistake? And it probably imposes numerous other restrictions and problems I can't imagine at the moment. So it's not just Nokia's decision, it's also a problem of fax service being considered obsolete by 3.xG networks...

@Unregistered:

what is the E90 really made for ?
I am afraid that the only category that makes him a champion is... its price !
All other features will have better competitors

Is the internal screen really that poor? Or can you name some devices with better displays? While the web browser or the current version of QuickOffice definitely need improvements (which, fortunately are of software nature and can be implemented via firmware update), the screen itself really rules when it comes to web browsing, document reading/editing and - as you wrote - watching multimedia. Is the sound really that bad? Can you list smartphones which are CONSIDERABLY better? Is the processing speed bad? Isn't the hardware powerful enough for really advanced applications to be written for it? Yes, there should be more 3rd party software coming out for the E90 and making use of its power. But this is where we should blame developers of not being active enough. Aren't data transmission technologies offered by the E90 the best there is? Aren't 3G and HSDPA speeds satisfactory for you? Isn't the camera (and its camcorder function) really good, despite the annoying button which, as Steve wrote, should be corrected in the upcoming firmware? Is there something wrong with the E90 as a phone? Is the E90 useless as a navigation device, despite the longer than usual time (to be drastically improved in the upcoming firmware) of obtaining the satellite fix?

Yes, you're right, there WILL be better competitors. It's always like that because technology progress won't stop. But the fact is that there aren't too many of them AT THE MOMENT. So what are we actually complaining about? That the E90 isn't perfect? It isn't. Why don't you show me a device that is.

Unregistered

25-09-2007, 12:20 PM

Some points about the E90, as I have now been using one for a week or three.
(...)
Sander van der Wal

Hi Sander ! Are you still working on PDF printer for the E90 ?

Regards

jah

25-09-2007, 12:54 PM

Handy Calendar has some great keyboard short cuts, lets you cycle between views (space bar), go to today's screen (#) etc. Once Quick Office is fixed and handy Calendar is released we should have apps that make very good use of the keyboard based UI of the E90. Not perfect perhaps when compared to the EIKON based S80 but when you look at the 3.5G, GPS and BT 2 connectivity aspects it is clear that the E90 is much greater than the sum of the parts.

Unregistered

25-09-2007, 03:40 PM

Michal Jerz
>> Is the internal screen really that poor? Or can you name some devices with better displays?

The problem is not to have a good or bad internal screen. What matters the most is WHAT it will display. To now, this marvellous screen isn't optimised for working : no zoom levels, lack of shortcut (not a "touch screen"). And what it will display depends first of the apps of the device, which is another problem. I don't want to watch movies on the E90 !

>> While the web browser or the current version of QuickOffice definitely need improvements (which, fortunately are of software nature and can be implemented via firmware update), ...

QuickOffice not only needs improvements : it needs to be fully integrated to the device without having to pay an upgrade ! Visionary "Firmware updates" won't solve all the troubles, moreover, each time you appeal them only make it obvious that there is something wrong.

>> Is the sound really that bad? Can you list smartphones which are CONSIDERABLY better?

For people who like hissings and whistlings, its great (I know taht "via firmware updates"...etc). The good side is you can get some money back with a show in a circus : and now, the whistling phone :) (bad joke)

>> Is the processing speed bad? Isn't the hardware powerful enough for really advanced applications to be written for it? Yes, there should be more 3rd party software coming out for the E90 and making use of its power. But this is where we should blame developers of not being active enough.

Please, don't blame 3rd party developers !!! Blame Nokia team if you have any bitterness : it was THEIR JOB to provide a device fully workable. Why should one pay for other Contacts, Messaging, Web and Calendar' App ? Is it a business device or one which first purpose is to watch Matrix ?

>> Isn't the camera (and its camcorder function) really good, despite the annoying button which, as Steve wrote, should be corrected in the upcoming firmware?

Good camera which will be fully useable after... the might-be upcoming firmware. Meanwhile, it would have been great to use it while the internal screen is opened (this might happen with the upc...).

>> Is the E90 useless as a navigation device, despite the longer than usual time (to be drastically improved in the upcoming firmware) of obtaining the satellite fix?
If you can wait 5 or 10 mn before starting your car (this delay will be drastically improved in the upcoming firmware).

>> Yes, you're right, there WILL be better competitors. So what are we actually complaining about? That the E90 isn't perfect? It isn't. Why don't you show me a device that is.

YES, THERE ARE troubles today and it is not in negating them that the situation will get better. Everybody want this communicator to be a better one, but obviously, it has failed where many users were waiting for it. And nobody criticises it because it is not perfect ! People simply wanted to work with it as a business tool.

Regards

Jonnycat26

25-09-2007, 06:36 PM

What I don't understand from your articles and posts, however, is that you're *NOW* so negative towards lack of fax and the S60 UI in the E90. For God's sake, you KNEW that the E90 would be S60 based and lacking fax for a loooong time. If not from other sources, then at least from my first pre-preview of the E90 published in December 2006 (and then removed on Nokia's request but copied on numerous websites all around the net). I'd understand a novice user who didn't know what S60 is and only realised that he doesn't like it after buying the E90. But you're a pro and you know what S60 is, how it works and looks like from dozens of other phone models. So what surprised you so negatively?

I think people like Andrew are really irritated with the state of affairs within Nokia. And honestly, can anyone blame them? I certainly count myself amongst those who are wondering just what Nokia has been thinking for the last few years...

Has any good come of splitting their phone people into two separate and competitive divisions? And before answering, think about it... how good could the N95 and the tragically unsupported E65 (just for example) have been had both teams been working together with combined resources to create good phones... rather than working with limited resources and personnel?

The E90 is, to many longtime Psion/Nokia users, a kick in the teeth. How absolutely pathetic is it that my 8 year old Revo+ has more functional contacts and calendaring applications than the E90? I don't care about the pretty colors in the UI... I care about functionality. How did this state of affairs come to be?

ppafin

25-09-2007, 06:46 PM

Yeah. Here in Finland my E90 has been "in hour" service over 3 weeks now. They have even stop advertising it on major papers here. I really would like to know what E90 managers are doing now a days :)

mr.orlowski

25-09-2007, 07:22 PM

I think people like Andrew are really irritated with the state of affairs within Nokia. And honestly, can anyone blame them? I certainly count myself amongst those who are wondering just what Nokia has been thinking for the last few years...

Has any good come of splitting their phone people into two separate and competitive divisions? And before answering, think about it... how good could the N95 and the tragically unsupported E65 (just for example) have been had both teams been working together with combined resources to create good phones... rather than working with limited resources and personnel?

The E90 is, to many longtime Psion/Nokia users, a kick in the teeth. How absolutely pathetic is it that my 8 year old Revo+ has more functional contacts and calendaring applications than the E90? I don't care about the pretty colors in the UI... I care about functionality. How did this state of affairs come to be?

Exactly.

It's not as if the S80 Communicators were that great - they weren't.

But on my £20-on-eBay Revo I can see, in Week view: the details of 21 calender entries - on the 9300 I can see just 14. On the Revo I can see 21 day appointments - on the 9300, I can see just 7.

While on the E90, in Week View, I can see ... one appointment at a time! :icon13:

Technology should improve, not go backwards.

mg428

25-09-2007, 08:51 PM

steve could you please clarify i) how nokia care changes the keyboard ii) what does it do exactly for the screen for any possible future scratches? iii) whether it does anything that removes the scracthes and dots that already occures? iv)and are you sure about what you said regarding the fixing of the microphone? (because all of the people in Nokia Discussions I have encountered, from various countries, who sent their devices for repair of the microphone indicate that Nokia had to change the entire motherboard of the device, in other words it did not merely fix the microphone, and the repair card that they received also indicates as such.) v) in respect of my last question and my comment thereto, I was wondering whether you, personally, suffered from any of the above-mentioned hardware issues, especially the mic problem, and had to send it/take it to Nokia Care for repair? if yes, could you please share your experience? Like whether you took it or send it to Nokia Care? whether it took days or moments to fix etc.? If not, are you really sure as to what you said regrding how these problems are solved so easily. Thank you. (PS. There is not a single person whose mic problem was solved through a way other than changing motherboard in Nokia Discussions.Some of these report that now the mic works fine, whereas some say the problem still exists.)

mr.orlowski

25-09-2007, 11:53 PM

Why waste so much energy on something that doesn't suit you at all?

What a strange way of looking at the world!

You appear to have forgetten something. I'm a journalist, not a fan boy. My job is to write about the industry, and technology in context - not pin love hearts on phones.

Products are a sign of a company's health. Just as your grandpa leaving a trail of slime across the floor is a sign that something isn't quite right with grandpa - Nokia releasing the E90 is a sign that something isn't quite right with Nokia, either.

Look closer, and you can see Nokia has abandoned two good QWERTY UIs in two years. The hardware's great, but Nokia doesn't have any Communicator software any more. So then you have to ask, why? Are these organisational issues, like in-fighting - or an inevitable consequence of having to compete in a low-margin business? Is Nokia trying to tell us Enterprise doesn't matter?

(You'd know all this from reading El Reg, by the way)

The person you're describing appears to be a sad, nomadic fanboy who wanders from one product family to another, hoping for some sort of self-validation. But guess what? Normal people aren't like this. Normal people don't identify so closely with a consumer product they define themselves by it.

If this is how you see your readers, I'm very sorry for you. Please treat them with respect and intelligence - and try look at the bigger picture.

My-Symbian.com

26-09-2007, 01:21 AM

The problem is not to have a good or bad internal screen. What matters the most is WHAT it will display.
It will display whatever you want it to display. A web page (yes, the browser is slowish and doesn't let you copy text, but it DOES show web pages and it renders most of them quite correctly; very fast data download speeds via WLAN and 3G/HSDPA make it even nicer). A movie (and it does it really good). A PDF document. A picture of your girlfriend/wife/kid/dog. Et cetera. Please, don't tell me that you don't have anything to use the screen for.

For people who like hissings and whistlings, its great (I know taht "via firmware updates"...etc). The good side is you can get some money back with a show in a circus : and now, the whistling phone :) (bad joke)
I really don't know what whistles and hissings you are talking about when it comes to audio playback. I haven't experienced any. The E90 is one of the best MP3 players I've ever owned.

Please, don't blame 3rd party developers !!! Blame Nokia team if you have any bitterness : it was THEIR JOB to provide a device fully workable.
No. I bought a SMARTPHONE (and not an iPhone) just to be able to run 3rd party software. So I blame developers for the lack of it.

Why should one pay for other Contacts, Messaging, Web and Calendar' App ? Is it a business device or one which first purpose is to watch Matrix ?
I didn't mean Contacts, Messaging or Web. There are lots of other useful things 3rd party programs can do. And you cannot expect everything to be implemented in the device by default.

Good camera which will be fully useable after... the might-be upcoming firmware.
It is fully usable. The button may be annoying at times, but it definitely doesn't make the camera useless. It works and produces very good pictures and excellent movies.

Meanwhile, it would have been great to use it while the internal screen is opened (this might happen with the upc...).
Nice idea.

If you can wait 5 or 10 mn before starting your car (this delay will be drastically improved in the upcoming firmware).
Let's not exaggerate. I have the HTC Artemis with SiRF Star III GPS and if I don't download GPS data for it from the Internet then it takes the HTC the same time as the E90 to lock on.

People simply wanted to work with it as a business tool.
And some people do it.

My-Symbian.com

26-09-2007, 02:19 AM

Andrew,

What a strange way of looking at the world!
My way. Whether it's stranger than yours or not.... I'm not sure.

You appear to have forgetten something. I'm a journalist, not a fan boy. My job is to write about the industry, and technology in context - not pin love hearts on phones.
Sure. The problem is, however, as I wrote, that for the last several years I haven't seen you writing a single positive word about any Symbian OS based device. P800 - bad. 9500 - bad. P900 and P910 - bad. P990i - bad. E90 - bad. I no longer have to read your articles about new Symbian OS phones to know what you're going to write. I do not negate that all of the above mentioned phones had their problems and shortcomings, but you apparently lost the ability to see ANY advantages. Wasn't the last Psion the last EPOC/Symbian device you wrote anything positive about?

Look closer, and you can see Nokia has abandoned two good QWERTY UIs in two years.
Yes, they did. What a shame! But what then? Are you going to complain about it for the next two years? You know it won't change anything and it won't help the E90 to get better, either. Wouldn't it be better, as I suggested, to start talking about what Nokia should do with the S60 to make it more "Communicator friendly"? Wouldn't it be better to talk about what PRECISELY has to be changed and improved in S60, now that those two UIs are dead and gone and we know they'll never come back in any Symbian device? You may keep talking about history or you may teleport yourself to the presence and start talking about reality - it's your choice.

The hardware's great, but Nokia doesn't have any Communicator software any more.
So let's start discussing about what Nokia should do to make the S60 platform Communicator capable. You know that Nokia works on new edition of S60, you know that they work on Touch for S60. So changes are possible. Why not talk about them instead of repeating ad nauseam that Nokia had a great UI in the past and lost it. Completely unproductive, in my humble opinion.

If this is how you see your readers, I'm very sorry for you. Please treat them with respect and intelligence - and try look at the bigger picture.
My readers (let me remind you that I have 1,8 million visits and almost 15 million page views a month and 108 thousand registered forum users) have been with me for EIGHT YEARS now, many of them since the very beginning. You don't need to be sorry for them or me because they (and I) do not need your compassion. They're my readers because they accept and share my point of view - that's why they stay with me for so long. Or did you think I force them or bribe them with candies?

And considering that My-Symbian has always had much higher traffic and visitor count than TheRegister.com (at least according to Alexa and similar services), maybe you should take better care of YOUR visitors, not mine....?

Unregistered

26-09-2007, 04:33 AM

CAN SOMEONE REPLY TO THESE PLS Steve could you please clarify i) how nokia care changes the keyboard ii) what does it do exactly for the screen for any possible future scratches? iii) whether it does anything that removes the scracthes and dots that already occures? iv)and are you sure about what you said regarding the fixing of the microphone? (because all of the people in Nokia Discussions I have encountered, from various countries, who sent their devices for repair of the microphone indicate that Nokia had to change the entire motherboard of the device, in other words it did not merely fix the microphone, and the repair card that they received also indicates as such.) v) in respect of my last question and my comment thereto, I was wondering whether you, personally, suffered from any of the above-mentioned hardware issues, especially the mic problem, and had to send it/take it to Nokia Care for repair? if yes, could you please share your experience? Like whether you took it or send it to Nokia Care? whether it took days or moments to fix etc.? If not, are you really sure as to what you said regrding how these problems are solved so easily. Thank you. (PS. There is not a single person whose mic problem was solved through a way other than changing motherboard in Nokia Discussions.Some of these report that now the mic works fine, whereas some say the problem still exists.)

slitchfield

26-09-2007, 06:25 AM

Unregistered

26-09-2007, 07:57 AM

(to Mr Orlowski) Wasn't the last Psion the last EPOC/Symbian device you wrote anything positive about?
(to unregistered)I didn't mean Contacts, Messaging or Web. There are lots of other useful things 3rd party programs can do. And you cannot expect everything to be implemented in the device by default.

It may simply be because Psion has never been equaled in its softwares and keyboard's quality. When you were buying a Psion, "Contacts, Messaging or Web" among others were the best implemented softwares that 3rd party ones didn't equal... except for the Web where the new communicators are surely better. But today, mini Opera makes miracles on basic phones...

So let's start discussing about what Nokia should do to make the S60 platform Communicator capable. You know that Nokia works on new edition of S60, you know that they work on Touch for S60. So changes are possible. Why not talk about them instead of repeating ad nauseam that Nokia had a great UI in the past and lost it. Completely unproductive, in my humble opinion.

The truth is that new devices are "completely unproductive" compared to a Psion for instance. (I know, I exagerate... but don't you when using such words ?) Psion' keyboard, softwares, etc was making you really productive and was not a simple viewer you were synchronising with your PC.

They're my readers because they accept and share my point of view - that's why they stay with me for so long. Or did you think I force them or bribe them with candies?

I don't think readers have to accept your opinions for reading your topics. People can have different points of view and it is always rewarding to share them. And I don't agree with you when you close a topic (like slaming a door) because you can't impose your opinions to some readers... It is not a way to have the last word and it even prevents others from discussing !

That is a shame because you forum is really the best for symbian users ;)

Unregistered

26-09-2007, 08:09 AM

It says that nokia can repair the circuitry in just one day. IT'S FALSE! I gave away my Nokia E90 ONE MONTH AGO and I still cannot use it, because Nokia still has to repeair it.
Sorry to say that, but I think that someone whose name starts with N and ends with A, suggested to write that FALSE articole.

:-(

slitchfield

26-09-2007, 08:43 AM

BDSawicki

26-09-2007, 09:18 AM

Michal, great and accurate notes!

Thanks for that! I cannot understand the point in bashing a device (or a family of devices) for the mere reason of... bashing.

Take care
Borys

stevenralte

26-09-2007, 09:30 AM

Phew!... What a "CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE" the Nokia E 90 has brought up... hehehe...

I find the Nokia E 90 a good replacement for the Nokia 9300i... though it takes time to get used to... I Find the Symbian Series 60 3rd Edition powerful enough for the communicator series and good multimedia... thanks to Nokia...

With the Firmware upgrades... Steve, what would be some of the major upgrades included/changed... ?

malerocks

26-09-2007, 10:29 AM

malerocks

26-09-2007, 10:34 AM

I've seen evidence from plenty of people who've had a Nokia Service Centre turn round a device in a matter of hours. Tip: phone ahead and tell them what's going to be needed. There's no point in surrendering your device if they haven't got the parts etc.
I guess the Nokia service is not the same in all countries. Here in India, Nokia does not do a decent and acceptable job in many cases. I have been to the Nokia care centre in my city and have seen people literally shouting at the Nokia representatives because their problem has not been solved - and are still in the same position

mr.orlowski

26-09-2007, 11:17 AM

And considering that My-Symbian has always had much higher traffic and visitor count than TheRegister.com (at least according to Alexa and similar services), maybe you should take better care of YOUR visitors, not mine....?

Oops!

No wonder you're confused - all this time, you've been looking at the wrong URL :tongue:

TheRegister.Co.Uk is what gets the traffic. Forget gimmicks like Alexa, which are easily rigged - and look for independently audited figures. The Register has 35 million visitors a month, and 5 million uniques a month.

This figure might also interest you:

41 per cent work for organisations with > 1000 employees; 40 per cent for SMEs.

You have fanboys, but we have a very demanding readership amongst real business users - people who buy Communicator in large quantities as part of their IT infrastructure - and also entrepreneurs.

This is the core market for Nokia Enterprise. Therefore I have to report the truth, unpleasant as it may be. But people respect someone who is very honest about the limitations of a technology, rather than a fanboy evangelist.

You should try it.

My-Symbian.com

26-09-2007, 12:26 PM

It may simply be because Psion has never been equaled in its softwares and keyboard's quality.
That's surely because Psion was not a phone but a PDA. Being a phone, the E90 has to be smaller than - say - Revo. And being smaller means considerably less space for the keyboard. And for the screen. Would you really be happy with a phone of Revo's size? Imagine yourself walking a street with such device put to your head, talking with someone. Now, that would be a true head-turner. The Communicators have always been a COMPROMISE between a phone and a PDA. That's why they're called Communicators, and not just PDAs - to distinguish that they're different type of device. And you simply cannot expect a twice smaller device to provide the same keyboard size and quality as a twice larger device. It's simply undoable. Not to mention that there are lots of people who complain about the E90 still being too large and wishing that Nokia releases a 9300-like E90 version. The Communicator IS a compromise between a full PDA and a phone so for a person that expects FULL PDA experience they simply appear somehow restricted. If you don't accept such a compromise then it only means that Communicator is not a device for you. That's all.

Regarding the software part, haven't I mentioned in my E90 review that the Calendar and Contacts apps are too simple? I did. They should have been more advanced. No question about that. But since they aren't and there are much more advanced third party apps available (and not too expensive for a person who can afford E90), let's simply make our lives simpler and use them.

The truth is that new devices are "completely unproductive" compared to a Psion for instance.
If so, then just keep using your Psion... That's the easiest and the most logical solution. For me, my E90 does what I need so I wouldn't call it "completely unproductive".

Psion' keyboard, softwares, etc was making you really productive and was not a simple viewer you were synchronising with your PC.
What can I say.... Calling the E90 "a simple viewer that you can only synchronize with your PC" is really funny.

But today, mini Opera makes miracles on basic phones...
I wouldn't say that Opera Mini gives even a FRACTION of the web browsing experience E90's browser (and screen) provide. With all its drawbacks.

I don't think readers have to accept your opinions for reading your topics.
Have I ever said they have to? As I wrote in my reply to Andrew Orlowski's post, do you think that I have 108.000 forum members and millions of visits a month, for 8 years, because I FORCE my visitors to visit my site, or maybe because I bribe them with candies? Come on, such opinions are simply RIDICULOUS. If my readers didn't consider my forums good ENOUGH to keep using them, they simply wouldn't. And I do not intend to have PERFECT forums, because perfection is unattainable in this imperfect world. "Good enough" is enough.

People can have different points of view and it is always rewarding to share them. And I don't agree with you when you close a topic (like slaming a door) because you can't impose your opinions to some readers... It is not a way to have the last word and it even prevents others from discussing !
First of all, you don't have to visit my website or read my posts. Do you? Does anyone force you?

Secondly, the ONLY topics I closed were the ones where someone went to far and - like "MiniME" user in this very thread - started throwing groundless accusations or offending someone.

Saying that I have to always have the last word only means that you don't know my forums too much. If you check, there are dozens of threads on my forums complaining about the E90 and for two or so months I haven't even posted a single message in any of them because I decided it's not worth it. Simply because some people are "waterproof" for any arguments and alergic to contrary opinions, and talking with them only incites completely unproductive flame wars. Are you one of them?

That is a shame because you forum is really the best for symbian users ;)
That's PRECISELY why it has to be taken good care of to retain its standards.

svdwal

26-09-2007, 12:34 PM

Hi Sander ! Are you still working on PDF printer for the E90 ?

Yes, but Pdf+ with E90 extensions is first to be released.

Sander van der Wal
www.mBrainSoftware.com

jah

26-09-2007, 12:45 PM

A few observations:

- The Revo is a lot larger than the E90, I know as I use both, and it has no backlight or ability to control the angle of tilt of the screen
- Different products are aimed at different markets and products are designed to differentiate themselves in the time/place when they were conceived. The Revo was a business device, therefore no media capabilities. Steve did say S60 was desiged for a particular form factor many years ago and does not suit the three form factors of the E90
- As Nokia, on the software side, have not built-on their historic capability does indicate a lack of continuity and does seem a bit odd for those of us who have been around for too many years looking at these things
- And as you all know different people have different requirements and products like the E90 which have so many features that they can be used by most people effectively. Without Papyrus or Handy Calendar I would struggle and would need to use my Revo with my E90 (which I did do for a few weeks). But for me the very easy to setup and use Mail Exchange, 3.5G and DVD quality video recording are features that compensate for features that are not s strong as the best of the best
- Finally, even the Revo can't better Agendus (Palm PIM) running on a Sony Clie TH55 (which Sony stopped making about 3 years ago), and I could go on identifying other 'best of breed' capabilties of other products. But can one product ever have the best features of all other products?

My-Symbian.com

26-09-2007, 12:55 PM

TheRegister.Co.Uk is what gets the traffic. Forget gimmicks like Alexa, which are easily rigged - and look for independently audited figures. The Register has 35 million visitors a month, and 5 million uniques a month.
How nice! Congratulations! I do not have any problems with that. Actually, it's quite understandable considering that your website covers a much wider range of topics and devices than My-Symbian.com.

Yet it still doesn't mean that there is any reason for you to be sorry for me, my website or my visitors. We manage, without your (doubtful) compassion.

This figure might also interest you: 41 per cent work for organisations with > 1000 employees; 40 per cent for SMEs.
What are you trying to prove? That your company is more powerful than Michal Jerz running his website alone, in his spare time, in the evenings? Of course it is. So what? If you look at things from the RIGHT perspective: that Michal Jerz alone, running his "fan-site" as you call it, for fun, has 20% percent of traffic and visitors of your great company, then you'll see the RIGHT picture. Give me the budget and the number of employees your company has and then we'll do the right comparisons.

You have fanboys, but we have a very demanding readership
First of all, make up your mind: you either respect my visitors or offend them.

amongst real business users - people who buy Communicator in large quantities as part of their IT infrastructure - and also entrepreneurs.
So that's the reason why you can't see any advantages of the Symbian OS phones you write about? Interesting approach.

This is the core market for Nokia Enterprise.
Is Nokia aware of this? I haven't noticed them being obsessed about your website.

Therefore I have to report the truth, unpleasant as it may be.
Well, all I can say is that it's really hard to constructively discuss with a person who thinks he has MONOPOLY for reporting the truth and that "truth" is limited to just bashing and condemning drawbacks without seeing any positives. Hence I'll stop here.

But people respect someone who is very honest about the limitations of a technology, rather than a fanboy evangelist.
The way you keep judging other people and praising yourself really says ALL about you. So does the way you divide people into serious and professional visitors of your website and a bunch of kids coming to My-Symbian or AAS. There is really no need to further comment on it. If that's what you need to feed your hungry ego, well, be happy with it.

Unregistered

26-09-2007, 01:44 PM

so what is nokia's current warranty terms for defective E90 phones (e.g. Noise on calls, marking on inside screen due to keyboard)?

Rather than replacing all this defective parts they should replace the old phone with a newly produced unit which has the newer parts. It is like buying something which you know is damaged then having someone repair it. If they do tinkering on the defective phone then other aspect or part of the phone might be damaged (because the unit was already opened).

As a consumer, Nokia must provide me with what I paid for - a NEW Communicator, free from hardware defects.

So again, what is Nokia's warranty terms?

Unregistered

26-09-2007, 01:59 PM

Quote: Mr. Litchfield's Apolegetics

The camera shutter button is flimsy and doesn't always work - despite the presence of a 3.s megapixel camera and VGA video recording, it does seem as though camera functions are somewhat secondary to the E90's general existence. The problem with the shutter button is that there's a software bug where the button doesn't always lock into the right 'mode', with the result that the auto-focus isn't always engaged. Something else for Nokia to fix in the upcoming firmware?

If You or Nokia is telling us consumers that the reason for the flimsy camera button is because it is a SECONDARY function of the phone - is unacceptable.

That is not how you do business. You provide your customer with the best product you can. So is a flimsy camera button all Nokia can provide?

I think not. I am a fan of Nokia Phones and i believe they can do better. So if Mr. Steve has some direct contact with nokia, please relay this to them.

You do not do things just for the sake of doing it. The name of Nokia should equate to Quality. Not just providing new phones at a quick pace.

mg428

26-09-2007, 02:52 PM

I will be frank. Steve: Considering your reply to my questions basically showing that you didn't take your own E90 to Nokia Care + the comments of some people here regarding the repair of the device + the comments of ALL people in Nokia Discussionswho took their E90 to Nokia Care stating unanimously that Nokia changed the motherboard, I reach the conclusion that, in respect of hardware issues, especially and at least for the microphone problem, Nokia would not fix it in an hour or so. Therefore what you heard about the repair of mic other than motherboard change does not seem plauisable and thus most likely falsie.

They may chnage the keyboard in a very short time. That seems probable. But I would not share your opinion as to Nokia may replace (the huge, highly of quality, and thus expensive) LCD according to the extent of damage on the screen. I don't think that Nokia would be that generous. If it accepts to replace the LCD, then it has to do it for ALL E90s having even a single dot due to the keyboard IMHO.

i cant imagine Nokia changes the keyboard, LCD and the motherboard of the device. It would mean to change 95% of the device. This is an implicit acceptance of the fact that E90 is defective and thus needs to be replaced. Nokia needs to call back E90s and should grant free replacement if it will change my keyboard, LCD and more importantly, the motherboars.

PS. I vehemently oppose what people think about bloggers are paid by Nokia. I think the guy from my-symbian gave requisite and apt replies to such allegations.

slitchfield

26-09-2007, 03:01 PM

Come on guys, let's have a dose of reality here:

1) There's no such thing as a perfect product
2) If you don't like a product then don't buy it
3) If you've bought a product and you think it's unacceptable then complain to the supplier

And yes, the Nokia E90 is expensive enough that you'd hope quality was high enough so as to make returns unnecessary. It seems not - so far - although it's still very early days for the E90 as a product. Its life span will be of the order of 2 or 3 years and we're still in month 2.

Steve

viipottaja

26-09-2007, 03:51 PM

@mr.orlowksi,

how can you possibly call an article that points to many defects and problems that need improvement "fanboy"? Yes, it does also discuss upsides and potential solutions, and that's what a professional journalists article would ideally do.

One could equally easily call your professional journalist articles "hate mail". Not that I would ever do that of course.

Jonnycat26

26-09-2007, 04:31 PM

I think not. I am a fan of Nokia Phones and i believe they can do better. So if Mr. Steve has some direct contact with nokia, please relay this to them.

Therein lies the rub... if someone like Steve were really to tell Nokia that such and such was unacceptable (like, dunno, the scandalously short support life of their S60 phones, the mess that is the E65), they'd risk being cut off from the free stuff gravy train.

And who'd want that? That's why I really give more weight to Andrew--theReg than what I read here, simply because Andrew isn't on the gravy train (as far as I know) and calls things as they are. Is he a bit over the top at times? Sure. Are Nokia devices really that bad? No, but they're not a shadow of what they used to be. Does someone need to say it? Yes, absolutely.

Unregistered

26-09-2007, 04:45 PM

Saying that I have to always have the last word only means that you don't know my forums too much. If you check, there are dozens of threads on my forums complaining about the E90 and for two or so months I haven't even posted a single message in any of them because I decided it's not worth it. Simply because some people are "waterproof" for any arguments and alergic to contrary opinions, and talking with them only incites completely unproductive flame wars. Are you one of them?

Who brings "unproductive flame of wars" in a simple discussion about a phone ?!
Don't be so agressive in your responses, don't always feel personally attacked ! Don't turn other's sentences into weapons ! We are not in My-Symbian here...
I am afraid "you are one of them", alergic to contrary opinions, and I decided to stop answering : it's not worth it ;)

* Ending with "Are you one of them?" is just an incitation to get higher in your conflict : stop being so provoking and maybe we'll have a real constructive debate.

Unregistered

26-09-2007, 07:03 PM

Who brings "unproductive flame of wars" in a simple discussion about a phone ?!
Don't be so agressive in your responses, don't always feel personally attacked ! Don't turn other's sentences into weapons ! We are not in My-Symbian here...
I am afraid "you are one of them", alergic to contrary opinions, and I decided to stop answering : it's not worth it .

I must agree. I stopped visiting My-Symbian because of the over-bearing, over-protective attitude of its owner...

Williamoni

26-09-2007, 09:47 PM

The one thing we have learnt in this thread is that Steve can't spell 'defence', and, worse than this, is completely unrepentant of the fact.

G4HKS

26-09-2007, 09:51 PM

Several annoying problems with E90 -

1. Why do Nokia think they can release a new phone in 2007 with such a dreadful shutter release button? It is totally hit or miss if it is going to work or not to the extent I still (most of the time) use my N95. Just read it is a firmware issue - surely they noticed it BEFORE release??!!! Are they mad?!

2. The keyboard is dreadful. The keys are too hard and too close together. Try using a Blackberry 8300 to see how it should be done. I replaced mine with the E90 - I have barely used it for quick reference and reply to email because of its cumbersome operation.

3. Why does the signal sensitivity decrease when the clam is opened? More often or not the signal when weak actually drops the connection!

4. Why is the secondary display so low in brightness?

5. Why do the top row of keys on the main keyboard constantly mark the screen?

6. Why is the navigation button on the main keyboard so poor? The one on the front is far better, the track-ball style found on various phone-PDA's (including the Blackberry 8300) eats it for breakfast.

7. On several occassions the mic audio completely disappears. Again I understand this is a known problem.

This is what I listed when I first received the E90 on the 8th of August 07:

Just received and played with E90, SIM free from Mobile Fun (mobilefun.co.uk, good bunch of guys)

First impressions

Bad Points:

1. Dreadful camera button. It is worse than useless in fact I would say that it is actually faulty in design. It seems to take a shot at random as there is no precise feel to it. Really very very bad.

2. Disappointed that the screen is quite dimly lit (both of them, in particular the second screen). Yes they are both trans-reflective but not a patch on the N95.

3. The navigation button on mine doesn't have a positive feel in the down position on the main keyboard. Other positions are fine. Not sure why they made the 5 way rocker button smaller on the main keypad. The front facing one is very much easier to use with the center enter button recessed.

4. Pity the secondary screen is as small as it is. Why could they have not made it the same as the N95? The E90 body is much wider so could have easily accommodated it. Because of this it truncates far too much info to the user. And before you say it, why should you have to open the clam up for a bigger view?

5. Accessing the camera is a joke and slow is not the word, saving pictures is slower than a digital camera of 10+ years ago.

6. Why an earth have they reverted to a 2.5mm audio socket?

7. Main keyboard very fiddly and slow to move around in comparison to say a Blackberry Curve (8300). The Curve uses round buttons that are far smaller and much faster to use (and more positive in feel). In addition maybe Nokia should also incorporate the trackball of the Curve and do away with their multi-way offering altogether.

8. Not sure if it is just mine but the phone is nowhere near as sensitive as the N95 or Sony K800i or Blackberry 8300 parked in the same position. (On Orange) That is worrying.

Good Points:

1. Superbly made, feels very tactile and a joy to hold and look at, even if it is the brown one, (sorry "mocha") as I really wanted a red one. Sad I know.

2. Audio is stunning from normal received cell calls to audio music tracks.

3. Battery life seems very good

4. Very easy to set up - just plugged into the PC that has the latest N95 software on it, recognised the E-90 and sync'd straight away, couldn't be easier. Setting up retrieval of email simple, again identical to N95.

5. Works in the same way as N95 so didn't have to learn a whole new set of menu's.

Summary;

I wanted the E90 to replace my N95 and Blackberry 8300, all in one package. At this time and after only a few hours of playing with it I am not convinced at all. Which is a pain because I was so looking forward to getting my hands on this new piece of kit. Wish I hadn't sent my Blackberry back now...! Maybe some firmware upgrades will sort a few of the niggles out but that won't change primary screen size, terrible camera and (indifferent) keyboard buttons out.

Finally,

I think the E90 Communicator Team should employ more of the N95 engineers, they could have made this a world beating phone (albeit in smaller numbers) like the N95 has become in such a short period of time.

Will I be sending it back? Not just yet but very probably, at £535 plus VAT it ain't cheap....

In summary, I will wait another month and return it to Nokia I hope for a replacement., with I trust at least some of the above addressed.

Martin Lynch mlands.co.uk

jorge spain

26-09-2007, 10:28 PM

Hi Steve,

Just a few comments.

1) Which is the best PIM for E90 (It MUST sync with Outlook)?
2) I bought a screen protector for less than 7€ for both the E90 screens and though you lose out on screen brightness, they protect the screen fine, but the scratching problem DOES exist. Hopefully you can suggest this solution to your visitors
3) I have used every single PDA / Communicator (9000,9210, 9300, Palm Treo 750v, HTC TyTN, Nokia E61i, n95, etc) and nothing beats the E90 for many reasons, but especially 3 a) decent battery life b) web browsing is a viable and QUICK proposition c) Lots of free RAM. Nothing from the competition can do this. I mean do people want to be using a Stylus (Windows Mobile) to dial?
4) I hope that the camera button WILL be corrected with the firmware, it's a pity as I don't use the camera half as much as I would like to, due to this problem

Thanks and await your response
Jorge

My-Symbian.com

27-09-2007, 12:15 PM

@ Unregistered:

Who brings "unproductive flame of wars" in a simple discussion about a phone ?! Don't be so agressive in your responses, don't always feel personally attacked ! Don't turn other's sentences into weapons !
Maybe you should at least start SIGNING your posts if you intend to criticize others. What are you afraid of? Are you ashamed of what you write? The difference between me and you is that I always sign my posts with my real name because I am not ashamed of my opinions.

Regarding flame wars, everybody can see who's aggressive. It doesn't even take reading your posts, it is enough to count the exclamation marks you put after each sentence. It's really funny that you YELL at me to stop being aggressive.

I came to this thread to tell MiniME that it is impolite to accuse Steve of being sponsored by Nokia and to ask everybody to discuss about how S60 can be improved to make it more Communicator-optimized. It is YOU and Andrew Orlowski who keep pushing this discussion in a wrong direction - judging others and inciting personal arguments instead of having a constructive debate about the E90. Everybody can see it.

We are not in My-Symbian here...
Again, the difference between me and you HERE is that I take my part in this discussion as a RIGHTFUL, REGISTERED, PUBLIC member of this community, while you keep posting ANONYMOUSLY, without even bothering to sign your posts with a first name or a nickname. So please do not admonish me. Register, start signing your posts, become a LEGITIMATE member of this forum and then we'll talk.

As for whether it's My-Symbian forum or not, Steve is a frequent and very welcome poster on my forums so I don't have problems with coming here (very rarely) and posting my comments. It's the owners of this website with who I can talk about what I write here and definitely not some anonymous, unregistered, quarrelsome person like you.

I decided to stop answering : it's not worth it
Let's see if you are able to keep your promise. Doubtful. I know this kind of people and they just can't stop and always need to have the last word.

I must agree. I stopped visiting My-Symbian because of the over-bearing, over-protective attitude of its owner...
The way you answer you own posts (pretending that there are other people agreeing with you) is really funny.

Oh, and by the way, it was exactly when quarrelsome people like you stopped visiting My-Symbian when the discussions calmed down and started being constructive and productive. For two months or so whe haven't had a single argument on our forums. So all I can say is: THANK YOU for leaving us alone, the remaining 108.000 members only benefited from it.

Now, can you finally stop talking about me and my website and start discussing what this thread is about? I don't think anyone here is interested in your anonymous complaints about how I run My-Symbian. People come here to talk about the E90 and you simply DISTURB them.

Unregistered

27-09-2007, 01:32 PM

well, i think i can live with most of the issues of the E90.
But as some others here i cannot understand why Nokia hasn't improved the PIM apps on the device so that they are at least competitive to that on S80 devices.

For example the lack of native HTML mail support is a thing i absolutely don't understand. Microsoft in comparison implemented it in WM6, Nokias newest flag ship device don't have it in contrast to its predecessor...

And to be honest, at this price level i'm not willing to buy third party apps for getting basic functionality like other devices have them.
On the other hand, the E90 is a really good and feature rich device. All the more i wonder why Nokia hasn't put some more work in such damn basic apps...

mg428

27-09-2007, 03:30 PM

I cannot agree more with the person's opinion who stated that the external D-pad of E90 is very easy to use, but extremely inconvenient to use the internal D-pad of E90.

I cannot comprehend why Nokia did not incorporate the very same external D-pad of E90 also for the internal D-pad. I guess it considered that it will be better to incoporate this inconvinient D-pad in order to match it with the very stiff and uncomfartable keys of the QWERTY keyboard.

I wish Nokia had done the contrary, i.e. exchange the D-pads, because the D-pad of the QWERTY is more important. After all this is a Communicator.

Unregistered

27-09-2007, 05:42 PM

tav. My-Symbian

I have no doubt that you write perfectly good reviews, and I also have no doubt that your knowledge of all things Symbian is greater than mine. I also sympathise with your attitude towards mt. orlowski. However, your attack on him would no doubt have been rewarded with a stern warning for "going off topic" over on My-Symbian.

I also find it ironic that you are over here at AAS blowing your own trumpet, when I have read many posts by you about how much better My-Symbian is than AAS... which is a pity, as your attitude is the main reason that I no longer go to your site. I have visited and used many forums over the years, and yours is by far the most unpleasant, with the most argumentative member being its owner...

mr.orlowski

27-09-2007, 07:41 PM

I find the e90 a very good replacement for these devices. And I believe Nokia has made a huge step forward with this device... I am a very happy user of mine e90.

Fancy that!

Back in April, you wrote:

For almost two years I am struggling with my 9500 and its lack of ms outlook categories support, which is a real pain given number of tasks I have constantly to move from a task list to task list and from category to category.

This is the main reason I am considering buying a WM6 device instead of e90 - although I would by far prefer the E90...

Poor PIM's synchronisation with MS-Outlook (no categories, no notes) was also the main reason most of my workmates decided to go for a blackberry rather than the 9300/9500.

How to understand Nokia's policy? So easy to understand why the enterprise division is performing so poorly. So many great devices, but the software and lack of compatibility with key business tools...

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/board/print?board.id=pcsuite&message.id=7810&page=2&format=all

and

I have been using symbian phones (9210i & 9500) for quite a long time and since the 9500 am suffering from poor intergration thereof with MS Outlook (no categories support for any type of entries).

and

Although I would really love to go for an e90, I am under impression far more seems (in terms of usability) to be available on the WM devices. And that this will go on - MS will link the WM smartphones into the PC world more and more, with benefit for the users, while Nokia/symbian will stick to what a few years ago took breath away but now is a bare must.

So you don't need that Outlook functionality any more?

Strange, that.

My-Symbian.com

27-09-2007, 07:43 PM

I knew you wouldn't keep your promise. And I knew you wouldn't start signing your posts. No comments...

I have no doubt that you write perfectly good reviews, and I also have no doubt that your knowledge of all things Symbian is greater than mine. I also sympathise with your attitude towards mt. orlowski. However, your attack on him
My WHAT? Attack? Very funny.

I also find it ironic that you are over here at AAS blowing your own trumpet
I post on this forum ONCE or TWICE A YEAR. And only when someone mentions me in an article or post, like Steve did. For your information, Steve Litchfield posts more messages on my forums A QUARTER than what I posted here ever since I registered on this site in 2002.

when I have read many posts by you about how much better My-Symbian is than AAS...
What do you mean by "many"? Two? And when did you read them? Probably when My-Symbian simply WAS more popular, more frequently updated and more frequently visited than AAS, which was the case between 1999 and 2006 and everybody knows that. In 2006 AAS took the lead, and everybody knows that, too.

which is a pity, as your attitude is the main reason that I no longer go to your site. I have visited and used many forums over the years, and yours is by far the most unpleasant, with the most argumentative member being its owner...
And I already told you: who do you think cares here about your personal opinions about me and My-Symbian? NO ONE, not even I. So why don't you finally stop spamming this otherwise interesting thread?

Anyway, that's the last anonymous post I'm wasting my time on. Stop behaving like a coward and start signing your posts if you intend to criticize other people, or don't expect any further answers.

mr.orlowski

27-09-2007, 08:16 PM

Michel, your replies here show us how you now view the world. Rather like George W Bush, someone is either "with us or against us".

But do get your facts right:

I haven't seen you writing a single positive word about any Symbian OS based device. P800 - bad. 9500 - bad. P900 and P910 - bad. P990i - bad. E90 - bad.

P800:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/02/27/sonyericsson_p800_survives_the_hype/
P900:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/12/03/sony_ericsson_p900_smartphone/
9300:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/01/nokia_9300_longterm_test/

You're really developing one hell of a persection complex.

Now - guess what? I don't care what's in the device. I don't care if it's Symbian, Windows or Atari TOS. I don't care if it's one box, or one of two. I don't care about getting cute texts from the vendor's marketing guys, playing with their prototypes, or going to their parties.

I only care if it's a good product.

When did you get so tribal and narrow-minded? By viewing people as partisans, or as factions of fanboys, you rob them of the possibility that they might actually be making a rational choice. You also rob them of a lot of free will. I don't know which came first: whether you stopped seeing ordinary people as rational, or whether you've been writing about Symbian smartphones so long, anyone who doesn't have one must be, by definition, be viewed irrationally. But either way, it isn't a nice way to look at your fellow man.

So let's start discussing about what Nokia should do to make the S60 platform Communicator capable.

No, and here's a hint. If you rephrase it as:

Let's see what Nokia needs to do to make a great Communicator!

or, better still -

What should a great Communicator look like?

... then you might get some results. I've been doing this for months.

My-Symbian.com

27-09-2007, 11:12 PM

Michel, Mihel, etc.
Andrzej aka Andrew, being of Polish origin, are you really unable to spell my first name correctly or do you keep doing it on purpose? But if it's really too difficult for you, you can always copy it from my signature contained in the post you're replying to. Easy, huh?

your replies here show us how you now view the world. Rather like George W Bush, someone is either "with us or against us".

You're really developing one hell of a persection complex.

When did you get so tribal and narrow-minded?

When did you get so rude and unfriendly? You used to be a nice person but now you are unable to post a single message without any insult or personal judgements. Excuse me but this level of discussion is not acceptable for me. Cure your megalomania and let me know, then we'll continue.

Goodbye.

mg428

28-09-2007, 04:51 AM

Andrew, I understand that you don't like the E90. That's understandable. There's no device on Earth that would suit everybody. And I also understand many of your concerns, most of them are valid ones. And I too miss the Series 80 UI and, even more, I miss the Hildon UI, and everytime I look at my N800 Internet Tablet and I remind myself that the Hildon based Communicator was almost ready in 2003 and Nokia for some mysterious reasons cancelled it and killed something that would certainly turn into most successful PDA-phone on the market I get really sad and disappointed.

What I don't understand from your articles and posts, however, is that you're *NOW* so negative towards lack of fax and the S60 UI in the E90. For God's sake, you KNEW that the E90 would be S60 based and lacking fax for a loooong time. If not from other sources, then at least from my first pre-preview of the E90 published in December 2006 (and then removed on Nokia's request but copied on numerous websites all around the net). I'd understand a novice user who didn't know what S60 is and only realised that he doesn't like it after buying the E90. But you're a pro and you know what S60 is, how it works and looks like from dozens of other phone models. So what surprised you so negatively?

Another thing is that I can't remind myself of ANY Symbian OS based device released in the last 2 or 3 years you wouldn't totally condemn. Which means that you most probably don't like them all. And if so, then maybe you should simply ignore the whole Symbian OS market and start working with Windows Mobile devices or maybe the upcoming Linux smartphones? Why waste so much energy on something that doesn't suit you at all?

As I wrote, there's nothing wrong with listing drawbacks and complaining about them as it can only help make future firmware releases and new models better. But complaining all the time about the E90 being S60-based simply doesn't make sense, even if we both would very much prefer it to have Series 80 or Hildon UI. It doesn't have one and it's clear that it (or any future Communicator) won't have one because Nokia chose to limit itself to the S60 platform in all their Symbian OS based devices. One can repeat that S60 in a Communicator device is a cr*p but it won't change a thing. So why not get more constructive instead and start discussing about how to make S60 better and more suitable for Communicator devices instead of repeating like a broken record that it's bad and that's it....? That's precisely what Steve tries to do with his article.

Regarding the lack of fax (in all recent smartphones on the market, not just in E90), as Steve wrote, fax service unfortunately isn't supported by 3G and 3.5G networks. Yes, it would be really nice to still have fax in E90, but I can imagine all the complaints about the device switching itself to 2.5G on any fax activity. Would you be happy if your E90 was automatically closing its active 3G/HSDPA session and switching to 2G everytime someone called your fax number, sometimes maybe even by mistake? And it probably imposes numerous other restrictions and problems I can't imagine at the moment. So it's not just Nokia's decision, it's also a problem of fax service being considered obsolete by 3.xG networks...

To be honest, I do not see anything wrong with these statements. If you took offense from the above remarks and replied to this in a very offensive way like "...I'm very sorry for you. Please treat them (your readers) with respect and intelligence - and try look at the bigger picture", then I think you need a bit self-criticism, what do you think? In fact your first reply was extremely better then the subsequent ones, but I just wanted to show who started what. I know you will not give a shit to my comment, as I have found you pigheaded, but I just want something from you and the people alike as an ordinary reader who follows AAS: I wanna read stuff about Symbian smartphones in AAS, which is its very purpose. In this respect I am open to CONSTRUCTIVE comments and criticisms. I don't wanna read some peoples' arrogant and offensive comments stating some uber numbers and statistics of how many people read his blog, how his blog is better than from someone else's blog and et cetera. Otherwise I would recommend you to discuss these thru personal messages or any other means.

Unregistered

28-09-2007, 08:07 AM

Exactly. Anyone who keeps claiming that his site is the best run, has the highest number of visitors, has no arguments (yeah, right) etc. is probably wrong...

And to do this in a thread about a review of a mobile device on another forum is simply inappropriate...

Unregistered

29-09-2007, 02:50 AM

Unregistered

29-09-2007, 09:04 AM

I have been reading sites on symbian for a while now and every so often I see the owner of my-symbian getting into arguments with people, he always comes across as a complete tosser and I know longer visit his website because of his arrogant attitude.

Just felt compelled to add my two cents, and I hope he goes away and leaves us to continue discussing symbian things on this much better website which he is obviously jealous of.

It seems that you are the non-signing unregistered person, as you continue to support orlowski.

You may be right, I didn't notice that whether my-symbian guy is someone as you described. He may be someone like that, even worse, who knows? But the only thing I see in this particular discussion is that he didn't offend anyone, he simply stated his own opinions, and the guy registered as mr. orlowski attacked him in a very offensive and arrogant way.

My point is that, there is an expression in my language which reads "to end up guilty, when in fact you are innocent, because of your inappropriate and over reaction". So may be, considering my-symbian guy's alleged previous inappropriate attitudes, mr. orlowski and the non-signing unregistered person were 100% right about their remarks. But as I expressed in my previous post, my-symbian's owner's remarks were not offensive, IMO, in any respect; and some people gave reactions that were really offensive, inappropriate, arrogant, and may be more importantly, irrelevant to such that they involved personal stuff like their own success and other's failure etc. If you read the posts carefully you will see who started the quarrel.

I don't focus on who is a good guy or whose forum is better or whose past attitudes were offensive or who started these kind of stuff in the past. I don't even know my-symbian's or orlowski's past as to whether they have ever attacked to themselves or to some other folks. I just focus particularly on this quarrel, and it is very obvious who did what in this argument.

Anywyz, that's my opinion in the end, whether you share or not. I hope we will not see anymore these kind of non-relevant discussions and people learn to respect and tolerate others opinions in such circumstances in which there is absolutely no need to be offended.

My-Symbian.com

29-09-2007, 02:30 PM

every so often I see the owner of my-symbian getting into arguments with people, he always comes across as a complete tosser and I know longer visit his website because of his arrogant attitude.
Every so often I see rowdy people like you turning interesting threads into personal quarrels and flame wars. So many people already wrote that they want to talk about the E90 and not about your emotional problems and your opinions about other websites and their owners, but you just won't stop. WHO do you think cares here about what you think about me? No one, not even I. And I already told you so. But your intention is apparently to keep the flame burning. ANONYMOUSLY, as always. What a COWARDICE.

Everybody can easily check who started the argument in this thread, who turned turned it to a personal row. It definitely wasn't me, and it's as easy to check as reading my posts and your and Orlowski's answers to them. In this whole thread, I haven't used even a single rude or offensive word, nor did I write anything personal. Your posts are the best example of what I got in exchange - they're SOAKING with unfriendly personal comments.

It's AMAZING that people like you offend me here and stubbornly keep spamming this thread with personal and completely off-topic comments yet at the same time they say that it is me who misbehaves. And it's also amazing that there is NO MODERATOR TO REACT. If such a thing happened on my forums, myself or other moderator would take care of it long ago, especially if it concerned the owner or editor of a friendly (? - not so sure about it anymore) website. I'm starting to think that defaming me and my website is actually CONVENIENT for owners of this website, hence no reaction.

It's very sad that Steve Litchfield ignores this. I took my part in this discussion to SUPPORT you Steve because I felt that accusing you of being sponsored by Nokia by one of your members was very unfair and untrue. I didn't mind that you used my name several times in your article, even though you didn't even ask me, and I think you should have. Now that I am being attacked this way on your website because of coming here to support you, I thought you'd at least express your opinion. But you apparently don't care. OK, I've learned something new today.

I hope he goes away and leaves us to continue discussing symbian things
First of all, it is YOU who stubbornly and permanently disturbs talking about Symbian in this thread by posting such personal comments. Secondly, I am a registered, rightful member here signing my posts with my real name, while you are not even a member of this community, stubbornly attacking me ANONYMOUSLY despite my numerous requests to sign your posts if you intend to criticize or judge other people. Thirdly, if you wanted to say something to me knowing that I'm reading, you should have simply addressed it to me. Writing to someone in third person is a plain BOORISHNESS.

on this much better website which he is obviously jealous of.
If majority of this website's users are like you, then I'm afraid there is nothing to be jealous of. Quantity and quality are two different things. One of the good things about My-Symbian is that we get rid of rowdy people like you very quickly which helps the remaining users benefit from discussions on a DECENT level. I think I must have banned you on my site for your trouble-making and rowdy attitude and that's the reason why you hate me so much.

Regarding comparisons between this website and My-Symbian, you know, my website was launched in 1999 and during almost 7 years between 1999 and 2006 it was the most popular and the largest Symbian OS community in the Internet, and actually the only one that counted during the first two or three years. That's ENOUGH for me to be happy and feel satisfied. AAS' current popularity, surpassing My-Symbian's, is the OBVIOUS RESULT of them going commercial, building a large team of editors, being London based just several kilometres away from Symbian and Nokia's one of the largest European divisions and having a much bigger budget than I (for isntance: I do not attend conferences or fairs simply because I can't pay for the flight and hotel). I run my website as a hobby in my spare time, I'm located far from Symbian and Nokia, I run my website alone and, the most importantly, I DO NOT WANT my site to be a business. I am HAPPY with what I achieved over the last 8 years despite many limitations and difficulties compared to AAS. I do not have any reasons to be jealous of anything after those successful 8 years. If you have any problems with that, live with them. They're YOUR problems, not mine.

jah

29-09-2007, 04:14 PM

:o :o :o :o :o :o

:redface:

Back to the topic

Nearly everyone at work who is planning to replace their phone in Oct-Dec has asked me about my E90. I would say over 50% of the people are thinking of getting the E90 (especially now that data tariffs are better value in the UK) and main reasons, inner screen resolution, Mail Exchange and the keyboard. My main worry is that not all of them are going to like the PIM so I will need to make sure they all upgrade.

Unregistered

30-09-2007, 02:21 AM

You are confusing me with someone else My-symbian my only post other than this one is the one with the frown in it.

This is the arrogance that you display:
"It's very sad that Steve Litchfield ignores this. I took my part in this discussion to SUPPORT you Steve because I felt that accusing you of being sponsored by Nokia by one of your members was very unfair and untrue. I didn't mind that you used my name several times in your article, even though you didn't even ask me, and I think you should have. Now that I am being attacked this way on your website because of coming here to support you, I thought you'd at least express your opinion. But you apparently don't care. OK, I've learned something new today."

Please leave people alone.

My-Symbian.com

01-10-2007, 11:46 AM

You are confusing me with someone else My-symbian
So maybe you should start SIGNING your posts or register an account. What is your problem with that? Are you ashamed of what you write? Do you think it is OK and fair to judge and offend other people anonymously? No, it isn't. But it only says about yourself.

This is the arrogance that you display:
That paragraph was addressed to Steve Litchfield, not to you. So kindly leave it alone.

Please leave people alone.
Yes, I will leave this unfriendly forum, right now. But definitely not because some anonymous coward tells me so but because it's simply not worth wasting my time here on such personal arguments with unfriendly people while I can spend it with much nicer and friendlier members of my own forum.

Goodbye.

Unregistered

01-10-2007, 11:57 AM

"Yes, I will leave this unfriendly forum, right now. But definitely not because some anonymous coward tells me so but because it's simply not worth wasting my time here on such personal arguments with unfriendly people while I can spend it with nice and friendly members of my own forum."

Because you rule those forums like a torrent and try to impose yourself on other forums as well. You manage to constantly come across as an egotistical tosser and fail to even think about your ways, this is the way of psycho-paths.

My-Symbian.com

01-10-2007, 02:21 PM

I really should not respond to anonymous insults but it's really hard to ignore such lies.

Because you rule those forums like a torrent
I already told you: nobody forces people to use my forum and they're free to leave it anytime. Yet I have 108.000 members, dozens of new registrations daily and more new posts a day than on any other Symbian forum, even though new members are only able to post after 48 hours which is a serious limitation and makes many impatient visitors go somewhere else. A huge part of my visitors registered many years ago and they still use the site. The total number of posts is very slightly lower than on AAS only because it wasn't possible to import nearly 80.000 messages from the usenet news server I had before switching to web-based forums in 2002 or else we'd have 400.000 messages.

These figures speak for themselves, so face the reality and stop writing rubbish. If people didn't like the way I run my forums, they wouldn't be using them. No matter if you like it or not, my forums are the oldest and still the most popular Symbian OS community in the Internet. You don't have to accept it but it won't change a thing: tens of thousands of people have been using my forums for 8 years because they LIKE them and find them useful and informative and not because someone forces them. Deal with it, if it's not too hard for your narrow mind only capable of anonymously insulting others.

and try to impose yourself on other forums as well.
Really? What precisely "other forums" are you talking about? Allaboutsymbian is THE ONLY Symbian forum but my own I've ever posted on. Yes, you read it correctly: THE ONLY ONE. Try and find a single post of mine on ANY other Symbian forum. Regarding AAS, it is enough to check my archival posts. I post on this site ONLY when someone mentions me or my website like Steve Litchfield did in his article, which happens once or twice a year; I do not come here for any other reason but to comment on what has been written about me or my website, which I have the right to do. AAS editors post on my forums much more frequently and no one treats them this way. If you can't stand my posts on this forum, there is a simple solution: don't write about me here and be sure I'll never have any reason to come to this unfriendly place again.

So again, what you write is plain rubbish.

You manage to constantly come across as an egotistical tosser and fail to even think about your ways, this is the way of psycho-paths.
And you keep insulting me ANONYMOUSLY, which only shows what a STINKY COWARD you are. But I know your reasons: I'm sure I must have banned you on my forums for inciting similar personal quarrels as this one and insulting other people, and now you're revenging. But it only confirms that getting rid of rowdy people like you is a GOOD decision. It's only a pity that such outcasts / exiles come here to AAS and keep inciting conflicts and offending people, with no AAS moderator to take care of it, either intentionally or simply because this site is that poorly moderated.

Unregistered

02-10-2007, 01:35 AM

You keep trying to put down AllAboutSymbian. This is the kind of behavior that results in you loosing respect. If you think your site is so good then go away please and leave this one alone. I like most of the readers like this site much better compared to the poorly laid out one that you try to run.

As for calling these sites poorly moderated, at least there is some degree of freedom of speech. However I feel this conversation has outlasted it's usefulness and so will now stop posting.

Good day to you sir.

And thanks to the people who run this great site!

mg428

02-10-2007, 01:47 AM

OK, we have to respect our opinions and selections, right? Nobody can force someone to believe that red is the best color or Mr. X's opinion is true.

On the other hand there are some theories to which nobody can object. Such as 2x2=4.

A reasonable and mentally normal person who would read all the posts in this discussion will easily see that i) who started what ii) who used arrogant words ii) who turned this thread to forum wars. It is SOOOOOOOOOO evident as 2x2=4.

In this respect, I want to tell something to the last unregistered person posted in this thread --there are 3 possibilities with respect to your stance against Michal: i)you either did not read ALL previous posts in this thread ii)or you did read but you find Michal the one needed to be blamed iii) or you did not even read any posts, but attacked to Michal because of your pre-existing hate against him. Then I would say, for the first one, "why didn't you read ALL posts in this fierce quarrel before insulting to Michal?", for the second one, "then you are not a reasonable person as I described above because of not seeing 2x2=4", and for the third one I would say 2 things, "then discuss your already existing problem with him through personal messages or e-mail etc., as I said in my previous posts" and "then you are most probably the previous unregistered person who insulted Michal and you are pretending to be confused by Michal".

You know what, I don't why, but my heart says that 3rd one is highly possible.

And let me tell you guys something. I didn't know what my-symbian and who Michal Jerz is until this quarrel because I consider myself pretty new to these stuff, and so far I am trying to keep myself abreast through AAS, and since I find it the best source, I will keep on like that.

But I couldn't resist to defend this guy against all these inappropriate, arrogant and insulting remarks that were said in a extremely irrelevant venue.

Lastly, ostensibly the rudest things that Michal said thus far were the ones against Steve which directly concerns Michal's relation with Steve that would not concern any of us. If he had told that "Steve, where are you, don't you see these people? Why don't you dismiss them and terminate their registration?", then we would have the right to say "Leave people alone".

Anywyz, these are my opinions, I am not someone pigheaded, but this time yes, I am, because it is extremely evident like 2x2=4 that Michal is not the culprit!

My-Symbian.com

02-10-2007, 03:28 AM

You keep trying to put down AllAboutSymbian.
No. I am doing the OBVIOUS comparison: I am comparing two most popular Symbian OS communities. What in your opinion should I be comparing my website to if not the other website covering the same topics, with similar history, traffic and visitor count? And it's not something to be ashamed of that my forums have more posts a day than AAS and that my website is older. Mentioning it is not putting AAS down, it's STATING FACTS about my website.

But while we're at who keeps doing what, you stubbornly keep posting your insults and personal judgements ANONYMOUSLY, despite so many requests that you start behaving like a civilized person and SIGN your posts if you want to judge or criticize someone. But you keep proving what a coward and boor you are.

This is the kind of behavior that results in you loosing respect.
Whose respect? YOURS? Come on.

If you think your site is so good
It is 108.000 of my forum members and 1,8 million visits / 15 million page impressions a month that say if my site is good or not. It's not my opinion.

then go away please and leave this one alone.
I already told you: I am a registered, rightful member here while you are an anonymous coward posting insults anonymously, afraid to sign your posts. You don't have ANY right to tell me if I can use this forum or not or what I can do here. Register, become a legitimate member, start signing your posts and then we'll talk.

I like most of the readers like this site much better compared to the poorly laid out one that you try to run.
Fleas on my dog matter more to me than your opinion about me and my website, so kindly keep it for yourself.

As for calling these sites poorly moderated, at least there is some degree of freedom of speech.
Indeed, unlimited freedom to anonymously insult people, which is what you've been doing for several days and no moderator cares about it.

However I feel this conversation has outlasted it's usefulness and so will now stop posting.
Thanks God.

Good day to you sir.
Farewell.

mg428

02-10-2007, 03:42 PM

In this respect, I want to tell something to the last unregistered person posted in this thread --there are 3 possibilities with respect to your stance against Michal: i)you either did not read ALL previous posts in this thread ii)or you did read but you find Michal the one needed to be blamed iii) or you did not even read any posts, but attacked to Michal because of your pre-existing hate against him. Then I would say, for the first one, "why didn't you read ALL posts in this fierce quarrel before insulting to Michal?", for the second one, "then you are not a reasonable person as I described above because of not seeing 2x2=4", and for the third one I would say 2 things, "then discuss your already existing problem with him through personal messages or e-mail etc., as I said in my previous posts" and "then you are most probably the previous unregistered person who insulted Michal and you are pretending to be confused by Michal".

You know what, I don't why, but my heart says that 3rd one is highly possible.

And let me tell you guys something. I didn't know what my-symbian and who Michal Jerz is until this quarrel because I consider myself pretty new to these stuff, and so far I am trying to keep myself abreast through AAS, and since I find it the best source, I will keep on like that.

But I couldn't resist to defend this guy against all these inappropriate, arrogant and insulting remarks that were said in a extremely irrelevant venue.

Lastly, ostensibly the rudest things that Michal said thus far were the ones against Steve which directly concerns Michal's relation with Steve that would not concern any of us. If he had told that "Steve, where are you, don't you see these people? Why don't you dismiss them and terminate their registration?", then we would have the right to say "Leave people alone".

Anywyz, these are my opinions, I am not someone pigheaded, but this time yes, I am, because it is extremely evident like 2x2=4 that Michal is not the culprit!

Why did this person use the name of mg428 ? Because he couldn't blame "unregistered" ones being himself Unregistered.
Why did not he register then ? Maybe because he is already registered under another name. His way of speaking recalls me someone (...). You will find another of his post easily as he uses the word "anywyz".
It is evident as 2x2=4

mg428

02-10-2007, 07:26 PM

Hey guy what I meant with registration was also including signing/endorsing your name. I haven't registered yet. That's true. Because I didn't see a need for that, since, thanks to AAS, it is possible to post comments without registration, unlike many other forums such as Nokia Discussions.

I am who I am. I am no one else. I use this nickname everywhere including venues that require registration.

But....(and its a HUGE but) it seems that you, without neither registering nor signing your posts, as a Mr. Coward, now started to sign your posts with my nickname instead of posting as unregistered. You are simply phenomenal man! Are you playing the matrix or something? Trying to confuse other people's minds??

Reaching a conclusion due to the frequent usage of the word "anywyz" and attributing it, very surely, to a single person and considering this fact similar to 2x2=4 theory perfectly demonstrates a person of your caliber(!)

I don't need to register or do something else in order to prove who I am but if you wanna see something, just search me on Nokia Discussions, Howard Forums, and you may type "broken N95" or "slider problem N95" to the search field of youtube and check the videos I posted.

BTW, you are such a great guy. I am highly expecting that you will register to AAS through the nickname "mg428". Go ahead! I wouldn't mind, Mr. Coward, as I mentioned I don't need registration for AAS and am always ready to disclose my identity, unlike you, Mr. Coward.

PS. You might have noticed the stressing on the phrase Mr. Coward. I am guessing that you found it more genuine and intimate for you. Although you have signed your last post by using someone else's nickname, IMO this is a huge development because it demonstrates that you started to get accustomed to sign your posts, regardless of whether you use a nickname of your own product or not. So why don't you take another step and use "Mr. Coward" instead? I bet everybody will acknowledge you, don't worry! After all the very purpose of signing posts is to be recognized by other people, right? Then there does not exist any other nickname that describes you better and that would be better recognized by other people. Good idea, huh?

mg428 (the real one, but not exclusive, because not one's nickname, but whether he discloses hisself under any circumstances is the thing that is material)

Jp496582

03-10-2007, 11:10 AM