I'm a fan of the X and X2, and really want to see Sendo succeed, but Sendo better have something good up their sleeves to combat Nokia's new N-Series phones.

http://www.nokia.com/nseries/

Take the N91 for example, a potential competitor to the X2. Technically better in every way than the X2, including the screen, camera, a built in HD, and 3G, it's probably going to be a high-end premium product with a price to match. And it weighs 160g with the X2 just over half the weight.

Yes, as someone will inevitably say, there will always be something newer and better out there. Let's just hope Sendo design that fact into the specifications and release dates of their forthcoming X series phones. I can just see the X2 coming out late at the same time as the N91, and for a premium price (despite the low price rumours). The decision will be pretty easy then.

So, here's to a low-priced, on-time released, bug-free (more or less) X2 that appeals to everyman in the street, and further X phones that measure up well to the competition with specifications 6 months in the future, not 6 months in the past.

I think the N70 is probably a closer competitor to the X2, it's specs are closer than the X91.

It's always part of the problem, the second one company produces something, the others do too...

More to the point, is how these phones stand up to the rumoured X3. As Nokia won't be releasing any of these until at least Q3, the X2 should get quite a jump in sales on them, and being 2.5G only, it's not a direct competitor anyway...

I think the slider on the N70 would get on my nerves very quickly, the N90 seems like an over complicated remake of the already good 6260 and as for the N91, it reminds of the 7650, which don't blow me away first time round...

Now the X2 on the other hand....My only whinge would be that it uses Symbian 6.1 - an upgrade to 7.0 or 8.0 would make it unbeatable. It also needs a keyboard adaptor.

:) I was just talking to someone in the know, and apparently the people at Nokia love the X2 for it's design, size and weight!

Pity Nokia can't produce anything that good looking :)

:) I was just talking to someone in the know, and apparently the people at Nokia love the X2 for it's design, size and weight!

Pity Nokia can't produce anything that good looking :)

Common, even I that I don't like Nokia phones have changed my mind with N91's desing (and specs) and it is going to be my next phone (although I've promised to myself not to buy another Nokia phone).

At least for me N91 looks better than X2 (it just reminds me of the old 8850 beauty).

I agree, I love the N91. Specs and design. WLAN, the newest symbian S60 version. The design is great, especially since I'm more in the metal covers. This thing surpasses the X2 on every aspect, imo. If it had a qwerty keyboard and quadband-GSM it would have been perfect.
This one might change my mind about switching over to a Windows OS smartphone. But I'm guessing we're talking about Communicator prices here....
Just have to win the lottery then ;)

I like the N91 also. My fav feature has got to be the music player and Visual FM radio
Check out http://www.visualradio.com

I agree, the N-series inspires some serious techno lust. But funnily enough I think I prefer an X2, at least for the time being. The design is fantastic - the features to weight ratio is almost unsurpassed (The lighter Windows Smartphones have one major problem - they run Windows Smartphone. Nuff said). The N91 is a chunky beast (and how many drops before the HD dies?) and is going to cost £450 without contract. Ouch.

Lets have some common sense out of Sendo here - bring it out as on time as possible, for an affordable price, and for goodness sake market the thing! Great products can fail because of crap marketing (Commodore Amiga) while crap products succeed because of great marketing (Microsoft Windows). Learn the lesson!

Seconded.

Thirded (is that possible?)

:) I was just talking to someone in the know, and apparently the people at Nokia love the X2 for it's design, size and weight!

Pity Nokia can't produce anything that good looking :)

This is really not worth commenting, but I can't hold back!!

Reading what you state above I wonder what kind of medication you
currently are on Clark!?!???? Kryptonite?

The X or the X2 is'nt even close to look as good as the N70...
The X2 looks like a toy for kids coming out of an "Kinder Egg"

When it comes to specifications? Well, that is too obvious to comment..

well well well...it seems some people are simply NOT capable of saying anything without making an insult out of it!

No, Mr. Mesus, I'm not on any medication, not even any to stop me wanting to put you in your place. I'll simply keep this forum to the point of the forum, and talk about the phones!

Yes, the N70 looks good, but I don't think it's as nice as the X2 (it's certainly much bigger and heavier!). Have you even seen a real X2???

I'm surprised about WLAN making an appearence in a Series 60 - my concern is that with it being something of a new technology, will there be a lot of support for it.

Price will be colossal, as will demand...

WLAN is already in Series 80, which is based on Symbian. Also, I belive that Symbian 9 (which Series 60 version 3 is built on) also includes a lot of support for it as standard.

I think it's a good thing - if it can be made to work as seamlessley as GPRS and WCDMA data, then it could make the average "phone" into a far more useful "personal device".

That is one thing in the new N series which is seriously tempting :), but Motorola are doing it as well with the A1100.

Hmmm...I don't have a great deal of faith in Motorola - the MPx was almost vapourware - either way its taken a long time and its bigger than a 9500.. :o

This is really not worth commenting, but I can't hold back!!

Reading what you state above I wonder what kind of medication you
currently are on Clark!?!???? Kryptonite?

The X or the X2 is'nt even close to look as good as the N70...
The X2 looks like a toy for kids coming out of an "Kinder Egg"

When it comes to specifications? Well, that is too obvious to comment..I DON'T know u guys compare THE COLOSSUS NOKIA with the pity bug sendo :D

I DON'T know u guys compare THE COLOSSUS NOKIA with the pity bug sendo :D

I am not sure if I get what you mean here, but my point is; starting a thread
called "Sendo X-series vs. Nokia N-series" makes no point at all, because
the difference in both hardware specifications and also design makes these
two brands/phones two different worlds...

But I believe this is also what the person who started the thread means,
Sendo better have something really really special up their sleeves to
match this, and not only Sendo, but every other phone manufacturer also!

If you want a slow, mediocre phone based on an outdated version of
the Symbian S60, and are a person with mediocre needs, then the
X or X2 should be sufficient.

If you want state of the art technology, the fastest processor, best features
and software compatibility, then choose the N70.. And in my opinion, the
slickest best business silver look is also the N70..

Simple as that!

I am not sure if I get what you mean here, but my point is; starting a thread
called "Sendo X-series vs. Nokia N-series" makes no point at all, because
the difference in both hardware specifications and also design makes these
two brands/phones two different worlds...

But I believe this is also what the person who started the thread means,
Sendo better have something really really special up their sleeves to
match this, and not only Sendo, but every other phone manufacturer also!

If you want a slow, mediocre phone based on an outdated version of
the Symbian S60, and are a person with mediocre needs, then the
X or X2 should be sufficient.

If you want state of the art technology, the fastest processor, best features
and software compatibility, then choose the N70.. And in my opinion, the
slickest best business silver look is also the N70..

Simple as that!seams that u got my point here but mine was short :) and about N70 ..... my next baby :rolleyes:

Bear in mind that Nokia has been around for a lot longer than Sendo, and that Nokia is the original developer of Series 60 (and Symbian) Smartphones, so of course they have the upper hand when it comes to research and development. Do you call Samsung a "pity bug" because they have a smaller number of Smartphones compared to Nokia?

The point about the old OS is a sore point though and while the X2 will still be running the old OS, hopefully the X3 when it appears will be running a more up-to-date OS.

Oh, and before you start saying the new Nokias can do no wrong, they run Symbian 9, which will require developers to completely redo their exsisting apps to make them compatible. Aside from which, do you have any idea how big they'll be. The whole point of a smartphone is that its small enough to be used as a regular phone with PDA abilities, not a bloody great lump you have to carry around in a satchel (owners of the Sony Ericsson P-Series and Nokia Communicator owners will know what I'm talking about).

Bear in mind that Nokia has been around for a lot longer than Sendo, and that Nokia is the original developer of Series 60 (and Symbian) Smartphones, so of course they have the upper hand when it comes to research and development. Do you call Samsung a "pity bug" because they have a smaller number of Smartphones compared to Nokia?

The point about the old OS is a sore point though and while the X2 will still be running the old OS, hopefully the X3 when it appears will be running a more up-to-date OS.

Oh, and before you start saying the new Nokias can do no wrong, they run Symbian 9, which will require developers to completely redo their exsisting apps to make them compatible. Aside from which, do you have any idea how big they'll be. The whole point of a smartphone is that its small enough to be used as a regular phone with PDA abilities, not a bloody great lump you have to carry around in a satchel (owners of the Sony Ericsson P-Series and Nokia Communicator owners will know what I'm talking about).

Only the N91 is running OS9 ;)

And I don't care who have been around the longest and has the upper hand,
I just want the best smartphone!! I have no sympathy what so ever for Sendo!!

Only the N91 is running OS9 ;)

Well that's wrong! All of them will be - they're using the same base software!

Symbian 9 is a big step, both for Series 60 and for Symbian OS itself (if you don't know, go look it up) - apart from every app. needing to be re-written, a lot else changed! Sendo's "stick" with 6.1 on the X2 was a calculated, and in my opinion, very clever move on their part. It's still *the most* compatible version of Series 60 yet out!

Hold your breaths for the X3 - from what I've heard, you'll love it!

Well that's wrong! All of them will be - they're using the same base software!

Symbian 9 is a big step, both for Series 60 and for Symbian OS itself (if you don't know, go look it up) - apart from every app. needing to be re-written, a lot else changed! Sendo's "stick" with 6.1 on the X2 was a calculated, and in my opinion, very clever move on their part. It's still *the most* compatible version of Series 60 yet out!

Hold your breaths for the X3 - from what I've heard, you'll love it!i think u are brain washed by sendo(u are a pupy now),u say that 6.1 version is the *most compatible*( Is the older version of the Series 60 platform ,from earlier Nokia Series 60 phones like e.g. the N3650)wow now u make my day :hahaha: u don't know what are u talking about, u don't see ppl around with u'r sendo x that are strugling to make it work with some poor apps,and is full of rebots and problems common WAKE UP IS 2005 :D

Well that's wrong! All of them will be - they're using the same base software!N70 & N90 will be based on "Series 60 2nd Edition Feature Pack 3" (2.8) and Symbian OS 8.1a. N91 will be based on "Series 60 3rd Edition" (3.0) and Symbian OS 9.1 (
http://forum.nokia.com/n70
http://forum.nokia.com/n90
http://forum.nokia.com/n91

Well that's wrong! All of them will be - they're using the same base software!

Symbian 9 is a big step, both for Series 60 and for Symbian OS itself (if you don't know, go look it up) - apart from every app. needing to be re-written, a lot else changed! Sendo's "stick" with 6.1 on the X2 was a calculated, and in my opinion, very clever move on their part. It's still *the most* compatible version of Series 60 yet out!

Hold your breaths for the X3 - from what I've heard, you'll love it!


Clark you are wrong! Only the N91 will be running on OS9, the other two N90/N70
will be running the most compatible OS8...

OS6.1 the most compatible??? You must be kidding, have you been asleep or
have you not been reading this forum??

Althoug OS9 contains some cool improvements, like stereo bluetooth audio,
I would still prefer to run OS8 to be able to run aaaaallllll the cooooool
applications that won't run on either OS9 or OS6.1.

Have a nice day.

http://www.symbian.com/phones/index.html#nokia_n91

i think u are brain washed by sendo(u are a pupy now),u say that 6.1 version is the *most compatible*( Is the older version of the Series 60 platform ,from earlier Nokia Series 60 phones like e.g. the N3650)wow now u make my day :hahaha: u don't know what are u talking about, u don't see ppl around with u'r sendo x that are strugling to make it work with some poor apps,and is full of rebots and problems common WAKE UP IS 2005 :D

Haha, if not brainwashed Clark must be on the payroll of Sendo!

If not, Sendo should hire him straight away, because a more unconditional
brand loyal person I have never come across in my entire life!!

Oh My God! I got something wrong! Shock Horror!

It's a pity some members on this board (actually two of the same people who have been trying to cause trouble for months) have to act quite so childishly about things!

Mesus, Nitzu do try to gain some maturity!

Oh My God! I got something wrong! Shock Horror!

It's a pity some members on this board (actually two of the same people who have been trying to cause trouble for months) have to act quite so childishly about things!

Mesus, Nitzu do try to gain some maturity!two words*WAKE UP* :D,u are brain washed,btw my nickname is NUTZU NOT NITZU :D and i don't know what problems i caused telling ppl how good u'r sendo x is and correcting u from time to time because u are loosing it :D :hahaha:

Well, all I can say is thank you messus and nutcase (sorry nutzu) for being here. It means the three billy goats can cross the bridge without being impeded...

Seriously, what is your beef with Sendo? Do you have something against Nokia's competition? It is still early days for Sendo as a smartphone manufacturer - I think the X3 could be a real step forward. If the rumours are true about the X2 coming in at £150, it would make the ideal first step for people curious about Symbian smartphones, as the original X was for me.

There's nothing wrong with brand loyalty in the world of IT - my particular loyalties are basically anything without a Windows logo on it. I don't have anything against Nokia or their new phones, which are pretty good. However, that is not a valid or logical reason to start having a go at Sendo and no amount of smilies or terrible spelling will change that.

Sorry, but that deserves a smilie :)

Well, all I can say is thank you messus and nutcase (sorry nutzu) for being here. It means the three billy goats can cross the bridge without being impeded...

Seriously, what is your beef with Sendo? Do you have something against Nokia's competition? It is still early days for Sendo as a smartphone manufacturer - I think the X3 could be a real step forward. If the rumours are true about the X2 coming in at £150, it would make the ideal first step for people curious about Symbian smartphones, as the original X was for me.

There's nothing wrong with brand loyalty in the world of IT - my particular loyalties are basically anything without a Windows logo on it. I don't have anything against Nokia or their new phones, which are pretty good. However, that is not a valid or logical reason to start having a go at Sendo and no amount of smilies or terrible spelling will change that.good for u MASAPULE ups Masamune u and stucpupy can be cuple :D,i don't have nothing against nokia or other manufacturer,but i have something against sendo(i bought the phone and i lost money around 400$,good god i sold it but was to late i feel pity on that guy who bought it anyway he sold after a week)who sell garbage phones making ppl spending they'r money to try a phone who doesn't do nothing that a smartphone does,like messus says *If you want a slow, mediocre phone based on an outdated version of
the Symbian S60, and are a person with mediocre needs, then the
X or X2 should be sufficient. *,and i think masapule(soory masamune)is my right to flame them,and i don't think is right to compare NOKIA with .........let's say sendo.
PACE I'ALL AND LOVE EACHOTHER :D ..sendo rules

Ok. Can someone lock this thread please - there's better things to talk about than this pathetic slanging match.

I'm loathe to lock this thread striaght away, because it started as a good debate. Can we have cool heads and respect for other opinions before I wade in with a big Admin stick?

I'm loathe to lock this thread striaght away, because it started as a good debate. Can we have cool heads and respect for other opinions before I wade in with a big Admin stick?

I guess when you say we should have respect for others opinions, that it goes for everybody in here!?

It's ok to debate, and everybody should be able to handle some jokes about eachother.

And I have said it before, and I will continue to say it; The tremendous dissapointment the Sendo X was to me and many others, deserves to be known to the rest of the mobile-phone-society! It was (IS) a very expensive product, which in mine and many others opinions is a totally overpraised product. This is something I think everybody deserves to know!

I recent to be adressed as an immature by a person who is younger, and clearly less enlightened and objective than me when it comes to this issues, just because I do not live in Sendo's headquarters!

Please do not make personal statements about people. You may think they're wrong. You can say they're wrong (politely). You should be able to make your case and point by saying you think this is wrong, or you disagree with this point because... Arguments and debates are a lot more convincing when you stick to the subject.

Do not make sweeping generalisations such as 'clearly less enlightened and objective' - you don't really have a basis for saying that. And there's certainly nothing wrong with being young - it doesn't automatically make some one wrong or immature.

Personally I think the Sendo X was a very impressive product, and the X2 is a more refined version. In particular I think (the X2) in terms of size (wehther actualy or perceived) is yet to be beaten by any other Symbian licensee.

But Messus does have a point. Ok, so we should act in a nicer way to eachother, i agree. But the thing is, Sendo launched their X in way that people starting to expect a lot from this phone. And when you're willing to pay a fair amount of money for a smartphone, it should work properly.
Ok, so Sendo is new to the smartphone market. That's fine. But that's not an excuse for poorly working phones. As said before, we are no beta-testers. I can imagine a phone suffers from minor bugs. But these werent minor anymore. I had to sent mine back, amongst many others. And that's why i think that Sendo had to do much more testing before launching the X. Now my X works fine and i'm really happy with it. But that should've been right from the start. (And not after a few months in my case...)

I started this thread. It's a shame it's been hijacked by two people who should clearly have been kicked off this board a long time ago (nutzu and messus) - Admins?
I've yet to see a fair or sensible comment from either of them anywhere, it's all over-emotional rhetoric and insults (and with no knowledge of English what's more).

Anyway, it's been good to see the other discussion about how the X2 might fare against Nokia's impressive competition. I think the X2 will do somewhere between very and extremely well, depending on the marketing. And the N-Series also has significant drawbacks, particularly weight and price.

Most average people (those who don't frequent online mobile forums :) ) really couldn't care less what symbian is, let alone what version they've got. They just want to know what the product can do for them, and they want it to be SIMPLE. REALLY simple. Just by calling it a "Music Phone", having visible music controls on the side of the phone with recognisable play/forward etc symbols, and making the music playing (as with answering a call) a one-touch operation, gives that simplicity to the average user, and that's what they want. I think Sendo really "get it", quite frankly. Well done to them.

What Sendo also must do is make the process of getting music onto the phone as easy as possible, so I hope the transfer software and process is up to scratch. I'm talking plug in the cable and one or two mouse clicks. No geeky technical stuff, no stupid technical acronyms (even "MP3" is too much in my opinion). Secondly, they should hook up with as many online music stores as possible, given the formats the X2 can play and the X2's DRM there's no excuse not to. And no excuse for the music stores not to see this as an excellent extra music channel. Sendo need to educate and change the mindset of the online music stores that "MP3 Players" aren't just standalone things that look like Walkmans. The stores could plug the X2 as well - I'd want to plug something if it could give me extra sales.

Finally this could (if the usability of the whole X2 software is good enough) also be very much a "My First Smartphone" scenario for a lot of people and that can only be a good thing for everyone.

What an opportunity for Sendo. Lets hope they don't bugger it up!

Some very good points very well made!

I think you're dead right on the opportunities which Sendo have created for themselves with the X2, so hopefully some of what you've said will actually come true.

The only downside of direct to phone from store downloads is that GPRS is a bit slow to make this feasable - I think 3G is pretty much *needed* for that...

Seconded - especially the bit about forum enthusiasts (lit: geeks). 70% of people who by a phone use it as a phone and as such, size and weight weigh in a lot more than techy stuff. I've no doubt Nokia's music phone will be tough competition for the X2, given the presence of a built in hard disk. However, the X2 will have an advantage in release time and price. I suspect it will be cheaper to buy an X2 w/ large memory card (especially from eBay or similar) than the Nokia N (I forget which number) handset only.

N70 is the closest competitor to X2, and won't be out till the autumn at the earliest, (and will probably cost a fortune) so X2 should have a good head start on these N series phones :)

N70 is the closest competitor to X2, and won't be out till the autumn at the earliest, (and will probably cost a fortune) so X2 should have a good head start on these N series phones :)I quote trimakassi " But the thing is, Sendo launched their X in way that people starting to expect a lot from this phone. And when you're willing to pay a fair amount of money for a smartphone, it should work properly.
Ok, so Sendo is new to the smartphone market. That's fine. But that's not an excuse for poorly working phones. As said before, we are no beta-testers. I can imagine a phone suffers from minor bugs. But these werent minor anymore. I had to sent mine back, amongst many others. And that's why i think that Sendo had to do much more testing before launching the X", so my dear stuclark better pay a fortune for the n70 than pay half of that to test another C..P from sendo(we all know sendo like to say a lot of things on paper but at least make the phone to do half of those things) :icon13:

What problems were you having with the phone - try and be as specific as possible...

Do we have to go round that loop again? Nutzu's problems are well documented, and since he no longer has any interest in his (ex?) X is there any point?

I've no idea how large and cumbersome the new N series are, but they are the first models since the 6210/6310 that suggest the big N hasn't completely forgotten how to do classy, functional phones (excluding the 9300/9500, which don't really count as phones).

Personally I'm waiting to see what the P910 replacement is like. Much as I like my X, I find casual note taking with just a phone keypad is too slow and requires sufficient concentration to make it hard to follow the discussions I'm taking notes on.

Personally I'm waiting to see what the P910 replacement is like. Much as I like my X, I find casual note taking with just a phone keypad is too slow and requires sufficient concentration to make it hard to follow the discussions I'm taking notes on.

I am almost sure that SE won't release only one UIQ device but at least 2. One which will be the P910 follow up (maybe named P930) and a small one to compete series60 devices. Don't forget that UIQ version 3.0 can run with smaller screen resolutions.

I've yet to see a fair or sensible comment from either of them anywhere, it's all over-emotional rhetoric and insults (and with no knowledge of English what's more).

What do you call this comment then? Well argumentative and mature?

Admins?


ajck, I suggest you search and read the forum before you make such
nonsense comments!



:icon13:

You may all continue to compare the X or X2 with the N-series, but it's more or
less the same as comparing an intel 386SX 16Mhz based computer running
Windows 3.1 with a Pentium 4 3.2Ghz running Windows XP.

The N-series will probably be expensive yes, but in my opinion it is worth
to pay more to get a product that is working as it should! (That's what I thought
I did when I emptied my wallet to buy the X)

Calling the N70 the closest competitor to the X2!?? Well well... It's like
comparing Arsenal (N70) with Notts County (X) if you ask me..

The X2 is hardware-wise (on paper at least) more or less the same phone
as the X, except for the camera lens..

So to me it is completely illogical how the X2 can be referred to as a music
phone if it's gonna spend just as long as the X to switch tracks.. And if it is
much faster than the X to switch tracks, then it just shows that it is a software
issue, and this makes me dissapointed with Sendo for not fixing up the X before
releasing the X2.

Regardless, I still belive Sendo should have concentrated on fixing the X before
releasing the X2.

OK - Everyone, time out. Messus and nutzu have their right to voice displeasure about their poor experiences with the X just as stu, myself and others have the right to talk about their positive experiences.

Neither perspective is wrong. This is an interesting line of debate about the N- Series going toe-to-toe with the X2 and X3, so if everyone keeps it cool, I'd like to get this thread back on topic.

A question - why put WLAN in a device used mainly for music, rather than business or web purposes?

Ah, a little late with my response. As far as I know, Sendo aren't giving up on the original X - leastways not for the forseeable future. Maybe when the X3 makes an appearnce, they'll start to phase it out but given that it's always in EXpansys Top 10 Selling Symbian phones, I'd still say it was quite popular.

OK - Everyone, time out. Messus and nutzu have their right to voice displeasure about their poor experiences with the X just as stu, myself and others have the right to talk about their positive experiences.

Neither perspective is wrong. This is an interesting line of debate about the N- Series going toe-to-toe with the X2 and X3, so if everyone keeps it cool, I'd like to get this thread back on topic.

A question - why put WLAN in a device used mainly for music, rather than business or web purposes?

Hmm I agree, I would have loved to have seen WLAN in the N70, especially since
I have heard Skype is working on a Symbian version! :)

Still, I think you are required to have OS9 to support WLAN, and that would mean
less software compatible.. So, for me it's still the N70! :) And I believe one of
the reasons for Nokia choosing to implement OS9 on the N91 is to enable
stereo bluetooth headset support, for it to be the ultimate music-phone!!

I believe Nokia has choosen software compatibility on their business model
instead of WLAN, for now.. Expect to see WLAN also on the business models
as OS9 is more common!

If you are gonna compare the X/X2 with the N-series (N70 in particular) as
music devices, I think you have to look at the software theese units
will run. I have understood (not tested) that OGG player v2 is the best
mp3/ogg player out there, this player will not run in the X/X2 since the X/X2
is running and old OS. UltraMP3 is a pretty good mp3 player, this does not run
(properly) on the X, and most likely not on the X2. If the embedded player in
the X2 is the same as the X, and this is the only way for the X2 to play mp3's, I
think the X2 may have a very very short run against the N70!

Also, if a phone is to seriously be considered as a music-device, it has to be
able to handle multitasking properly, and if the X2 is not any better than the
X in multitasking (and why should it be with same CPU, same OS!?), then
I think people will be dissapointed! My old N-6600 with UltraMP3 handled
multitasking better than my Sendo X currently does!

For you who are waiting for the X2 I hope my suspicions are wrong! :)

Still, I think you are required to have OS9 to support WLANNope. The 9500 has WLAN and it is based on Symbian OS 7.0s.

Indeed, I think wlan is VERY useful in a (smart)phone. Ofcourse it makes webbrowsing fun, but when you're talking about musicphones it would be very nice ofcourse to send music/vid files over the air! :icon14:

I have heard of a couple of people using OggPlayer on the X - I haven't tried it myself, but I'll look into it. VoIP on a mobile would be mind-blowingly fantastic and just think how much you would save on GPRS and calls with Wifi. It would be interesting to see how the Symbian Skype plays out, but I suspect that it would only be the very latest phones with high specs that wopuld be able to use it (i.e. everything below the 7610 might have trouble). I would probably say that Skype would debut on the communicators and UIQ first, with a cut down Series 60 version a couple of months later.

Messus - put it on the "Sendo Christmas list thread" I started, along with any other nice ideas.

I'm using Oggplayer with ogg files. Absolutely no problems: the tracks switch instantly; I think Oggplayer is easier to use (and has more features) and looks nicer than the built-in mp3 player; plus, ogg files are smaller so you can save a lot more songs.

I agree, Ogg-player is way better dan the build-in mp3-player. Interface is better and I love the fact that when you push the button to play the next song, it actually plays the next song! Now I have my 1Gig sd card filled with approx 450 :o music files! Yeah baby! :D

If you are gonna compare the X/X2 with the N-series (N70 in particular) as
music devices, I think you have to look at the software theese units
will run. I have understood (not tested) that OGG player v2 is the best
mp3/ogg player out there, this player will not run in the X/X2 since the X/X2
is running and old OS. UltraMP3 is a pretty good mp3 player, this does not run
(properly) on the X, and most likely not on the X2. If the embedded player in
the X2 is the same as the X, and this is the only way for the X2 to play mp3's, I
think the X2 may have a very very short run against the N70!

Actually there is no Oggplay version 2. There is the MMF (for Symbian 7.0s and above devices) and non MMF (for every Symbian device). And believe me there is a lot more development going on the non-MMF version which works on the Sendo X.

Actually there is no Oggplay version 2. There is the MMF (for Symbian 7.0s and above devices) and non MMF (for every Symbian device). And believe me there is a lot more development going on the non-MMF version which works on the Sendo X.

Ok, but that doesnt matter.. The point is that the OGG player that works for the
Sendo X/X does not let you play MP3 files, only OGG files... Hence for me
and many others it is useless!

I am not going into the cumbersome process of converting files everytime
I want to transfer them to my music-device...

That is the point!!

What version are you using? the non-MMF Sendo version should be able to play MP3 - try v1.04.

Ok, but that doesnt matter.. The point is that the OGG player that works for the
Sendo X/X does not let you play MP3 files, only OGG files... Hence for me
and many others it is useless!

I am not going into the cumbersome process of converting files everytime
I want to transfer them to my music-device...

That is the point!!

??? What do you mean, cumbersome? You can select all your mp3's at once and convert them to the .ogg format. Ok, this takes a while if you have a few thousand mp3's, but you'll only have to do it once...

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Sendo X sucks. Still no stable phone calls and still such lovely headaches.

I did try disable the phone divert.... but what does this mean?

What is a divert #?




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Hahaha, lol, long time no see dude. This thread was gettin boring...(NOT) Don't get your question though...

Diverts are automatic redirects (diverts) of calls to some other phone number (like your voice mail) when you don't answer after a certain time, or when the phone is busy or when the phone is not reachable/turned off.

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Thanks. Yeah I haven't really been active here because I am renting a Nokia 3395... very old school phone but works. In fact it works too well; my bill this coming month is $394.00 USD as opposed to my usual $108.00 USD.

My sendo still has a lonely place since it really has no use, so it stays in the crap drawer for now.

One other thing is that when I go into MENU ---> TOOLS ---> Settings ---> Network, then change Network Selection to Manual from Automatic.... it never finds a connection. I've done many times before and after a key 5 reset memory clear and backup restore, etc.

Does this Network Selection to manual from Automatic work for anyone? It searches without any changes and sometime prompts "No Network Found"....

AWESOME



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Oh yeah one more thing, Sendo X1 = crap crap crap, Since last year... and going strong

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??? What do you mean, cumbersome? You can select all your mp3's at once and convert them to the .ogg format. Ok, this takes a while if you have a few thousand mp3's, but you'll only have to do it once...

DON'T YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND!?? :mad: I DONT WANT TO CONVERT MY
MP3's JUST TO BE ABLE TO USE THE SENDO X AS A MUSIC DEVICE, I'D RATHER
BY A NEW PHONE!!!

IF YOU GUYS THINK IT IS WORTH IT, GO AHED! I WILL NOT SPEND EXTRA
UNECCESARY TIME TO CONVERT TO OGG!!

END OF DISCUSSION!

Messus - are any of these any good for you?:

UltraMP3

Mp3Player for Series 60 by Viking Informatics

MP3Go

Some of these have some really advanced features - it might be worth trialling a few. As for freeware solutions, I'm not too clued up, but I'll keep my eyes peeled for a good one for you...

Edited to add -

Give HElix MP3 Player a whirl - https://symbian.helixcommunity.org/preview.html

DON'T YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND!?? :mad: I DONT WANT TO CONVERT MY
MP3's JUST TO BE ABLE TO USE THE SENDO X AS A MUSIC DEVICE, I'D RATHER
BY A NEW PHONE!!!

IF YOU GUYS THINK IT IS WORTH IT, GO AHED! I WILL NOT SPEND EXTRA
UNECCESARY TIME TO CONVERT TO OGG!!

END OF DISCUSSION!


Hey Messus. PM me, I have the perfect phone site for us consumers that were let down, and robbed of our hopes.


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Does this Network Selection to manual from Automatic work for anyone? It searches without any changes and sometime prompts "No Network Found"....

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My three are working quite well actually on T-Mobile in rural Kansas (near KCK). I have not ventured out with the phones that much, but can only guess that if it work on my street-level here then it should work just about anywhere.

If you want to get rid of it, hit me with a PM and let's talk price ;) I need one more to make four...

My three are working quite well actually on T-Mobile in rural Kansas (near KCK). I have not ventured out with the phones that much, but can only guess that if it work on my street-level here then it should work just about anywhere.

If you want to get rid of it, hit me with a PM and let's talk price ;) I need one more to make four...

Mark, please buy it off him. Maybe he'll shut up then.

edited to add - that was a reference to blahblahbber, not messus.

i would like nothing more...

@b-ber... you have PM

Messus - are any of these any good for you?:

UltraMP3

Mp3Player for Series 60 by Viking Informatics

MP3Go

Some of these have some really advanced features - it might be worth trialling a few. As for freeware solutions, I'm not too clued up, but I'll keep my eyes peeled for a good one for you...

Edited to add -

Give HElix MP3 Player a whirl - https://symbian.helixcommunity.org/preview.html

None of the above works any good on the Sendo X, have tried them all!!!

And as weird as it is, they work even worse on the Sendo X than any other
Symbian device I have tried with regards to multitasking, even if the Sendo X
has an extra audio processor to handle audio playback!

Understand it if you can...

The helix player actually works the best of them, but this does not handle
multitasking at all, and can only play one track at the time, no playlists!
But at least the Helix is a living proof of how bad the embeded software
mp3 player in the Sendo X is, because the helix player starts the track
instantly, and fast forwarding works really good!

Sorry man, I tried...I know that there is a very limited amount of RAM available for multitasking - I had a similar problem when trying to use a screen capture app with an MGS game, fortunately Stu was able to find me one that used less RAM and so worked that much better. One way you might be able to improve performance is by shutting down the Now screen using an app like Taskspy - What program are you trying to run with the MP3 player?

watever it is....sendo "Rockssss"

well well well...it seems some people are simply NOT capable of saying anything without making an insult out of it!

No, Mr. Mesus, I'm not on any medication, not even any to stop me wanting to put you in your place. I'll simply keep this forum to the point of the forum, and talk about the phones!

Yes, the N70 looks good, but I don't think it's as nice as the X2 (it's certainly much bigger and heavier!). Have you even seen a real X2???
i know aesthetics dont much matter to some people but i say nokia didnt put a lot of thought into the design of the n70. the x2 stands out better than the 70 does. but i guess the greater question is, is it features that hotmarket a product, or is it sex appeal? this question only comes to mind wen i think of the phenomenal success of the ipod...a bit of bland lookin gadget.

Dude what the hell??? That's a major kick! Last post was over a year ago. I don't think it's wise to continue this old discussion. Maybe it's better to start a new thread...actually, I don't think it's wise to continue the discussion at all. The X2 never made it to mass production, so comparing it to existing phones doesn't seem fair. Why talking about the X2 and kicking an old thread anyway?:con?