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redshift

09-04-2004, 12:36 AM

Hello!

First test version.... http://www.redshift.hu/stewe/LegacyTest1.sis
The next test versions should be a single .app, I'll post it here (since the data files are pdb ones - probably they won't be modified).

Could you please check it ?

Info:
- as I have mentioned, memory problems on 9210 (a reset could help)
- The starting process is very slow... I don't think I can improve it, sorry.
- Don't forget to get more members in the first city, because you start with only 1 character (random type)
- If you have a mood, please check David Eaton's review... it's for Palm, but the game is the same: http://www.redshift.hu/legacyreview/legacy.htm
- the help is for Palm/Ppc version, I'll work on this

Until that, quick help for keys:
GENERAL KEYS: Enter works as "Yes", ESC - "No" when you see a question. Enter and Space can select an item from a list, ESC can close the same list. There are buttons in the game, with highlighted character in their title (as shortcut).
GAME SCREEN KEYS:
- Up/Down: forward/back. Left/Right: turn. Ctrl-(left/right): slide
- Enter-Melee attack/Hit something
- C-Cast, then TAB-change spell category, arrows - select a spell, then C or space or enter - cast that spell
- 1..4: select a member in the party, pressing again: enter the member's inventory.
- P - pick up
- M - full-screen map (ESC closes it)
- Space: enter a door, use something, open a barrel's/vase's inventory, ...
- E: end attack turn, probably I should show a blinkink "*E*nd of turn" at the right/top corner of the game screen
INVENTORY: you can see the shortcuts...
OTHER SCREENS: shortcuts, almost everywhere

Please post here the results. You can send me your IMEI for the regcode, however, please wait for until the game doesn't let you advance more (level 6), or blocks you (after killing N'Gora - probably more hours play).

The next test version can be in 1-2 days, I have several, very small issues - for example:
- X - immeditely return to main screen from game screen (for saving...)
- Arrows in the inventory item list - to see if there are more items than the currently visible ones
- Communicator-specific Help text
- ...

AND! You can download the first downloadable, additional map for the game: Morah's plan. It should be copied to the Legacy directory on your device (\system\apps\Legacy\). Now if you go to the Global Teleport in the first city, then you should see a new teleport target: "Morah's Plan". This map is optimized for a party with level 2-4 characters.
download url: http://www.redshift.hu/Legacymap/Morah.pdb

Later, I can give you the expansion pack... it's connected to the 3rd city, Grendelmoore, and optimized for level 15+ characters.

And... sorry for my English! :)

Stewe

TheSpecialBoy

09-04-2004, 03:26 PM

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Link is not working :( try mail it :) it is secure and simple :)

redshift

09-04-2004, 03:55 PM

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Link is not working :( try mail it :) it is secure and simple :)

I tried them... the files are there, and I was able to download them. Mailing... hmm the game is 3.7 MB (the sis).
Maybe your computer tried to open it instead of downloading? Here is the zipped version:
http://www.redshift.hu/stewe/LegacyComm1.zip
And please try to "save as". Maybe browsers play with us ;)

Stewe

redshift

09-04-2004, 03:57 PM

I just realized "wirelessly posted".
This can be the problem, but don't know why :)

Stewe

TheSpecialBoy

09-04-2004, 04:07 PM

Now is OK

You posted it in the first time with sis extension, that`s why

I,ll get back to you after easter

Or even sooner if it rocks

How do you want us to post replies? By mail, By forum or By other types of communication?

TheSpecialBoy

09-04-2004, 04:25 PM

Downoading.......

Got connection failure 3 times.....using dial up connection.....

Hope is cool, this is a good sign ;)

LAuRA

10-04-2004, 11:03 AM

...
If you have a 9210, I would like to ask something: how much execution memory do you usually have? And after reset? The game may have problems on normal 9210, because of the low execution memory. However, it runs correctly on our 9210 device, but it's almost clean and as I know many installed applications/recogs/etc can eat the execution memory easily.
...

Well I have something like 33-35% of ram free after a reset in my 9210 and it is not enough. I was able to see the intro, but as the game was about to start, I got an error message. Maybe there is something I could do to free more execution memory... The intro was cool, though :rolleyes:

TheSpecialBoy

10-04-2004, 11:25 AM

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You should do a format my lady. We will help you ;)

SirKline

11-04-2004, 10:45 AM

Redshift did it again.

Nice Job, Steve.

Here are my first impressions:

This game is definitly a memory eater. But it seems to be worth it.
Only had very few problems: Sound settings are not working as expected, If you change a sound setting it only seems to work after some time. (read when there's a change in some ingame structures e.g. new dungeon or something like that)

Then i had a crash while trying to load my very first autosave. Luckily i saved before quitting manually.

Is there a way to revive a Character? The difficulty is higher than i expected it to be.

I'm only level 2 so far. But it makes as much fun as the 2 splendid games from redshift before.

so long for now,

SirKline aka Arne

TheSpecialBoy

11-04-2004, 10:45 AM

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First error. It happenes when you get kill and the game restarts. It say reason :CMdaAudioToneUti and the reason number is 0

SirKline

11-04-2004, 03:48 PM

Nice, but sometimes the poison cloud is working and sometimes not. why?

And i can't find this Ashela lady in Decantres.

greets

SirKline

redshift

12-04-2004, 01:30 AM

Hello!

More answers...

:icon2: The execution memory tester: http://www.redshift.hu/stewe/avail.sis (5 KB) this is the tool you might need to check the available execution memory. Legacy needs at least ~3.2 MB to start.
The execution memory isn't the same as store memory (internal, card)
It can't be expanded, and running programs eat it. After reset, it's almost clear, probably you can have up to 4 MB, based on installed programs, auto-running apps, recogs, fonts, and so on (who knows)

:icon2: Laura: please try the game after a reset, and check your execution memory with the tool. You should have more than 3.2 MB.
BUT! After reset, if you start the system tasks (calendar, ...), they decrease the execution memory. So you should *immediately* start Legacy after reset.
I hope I can make the game to require less execution memory... not sure.

:icon2: Sound: There are more problems with the sound playback... I'll work on this problem tomorrow. Maybe I can fix the current method, or I can switch to another sound library (a streaming one - but streaming is a pain).

:icon2: Instructions, info, hints, tips.
You can read David Eaton's review, as I mentioned it before: http://www.redshift.hu/legacyreview/legacy.htm
Dedicated hints/tips page for Legacy:
http://www.hyperflame.com/toby/legframeset.html
AND! You can investigate the Legacy forums on www.cliesource.com and www.pdarcade.com. The PPC, PALM and SYMBIAN versions are almost the same! I mean the game's inner structure, the maps, the solutions.

:icon2: SirKline: Thank you :)
Revive: you can do it later, with "Raise Dead" spell/scroll or a black fountain. After start, you can hire another characters, and leave the dead ones in the tavern - rip.

:icon2: TheSpecialBoy: sound error... I detected these errors: happen when the audio player is trying to be initialized, but you press a menu item *before* the finish of the initialization. Pressing the main menu items means stopping the sound (except "start new game", as I remember). Solution: rewriting the sound playback routines.

:icon2: SirKline: Ashela can be found in N'Gora dungeons... you'll find her. Just don't be afriad of a stuck door.

!!! !!! !!!THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP!!! !!! !!!

Regards,
Stewe

redshift

12-04-2004, 01:39 AM

Btw prepare yourself, the base game can give you more than 50 hours gameplay, and the Expansion Pack (which is free for you all) means another 50+ hours.

Did you check Morah? Success?

And, another thing: the Legacy Editor (PC) is in beta-testing phase. If you're interested, I can give you the beta-download url, and let you enter the private Editor Beta forum on www.pdarcade.com. It's a complex editor, the base world and the Expansion Pack were made by that Editor (as well as Morah). Screenshots:
http://www.redshift.hu/stewe/editor1.jpg
http://www.redshift.hu/stewe/editor2.jpg
http://www.redshift.hu/stewe/editor3.jpg

Regards,
Stewe

SirKline

12-04-2004, 10:49 AM

And i can't find this Ashela lady in Decantres.

o.k. with the quest description i thought i had to find her in Decantres.

SirKline

btw. the Editor looks great!

LAuRA

12-04-2004, 02:37 PM

I rebooted with the phone side turned off, and found I had 40% ram available. That was enough to get the game going :) Now I'm at the forest, as Trissa, picking up clothing and stuff :D

TheSpecialBoy

12-04-2004, 03:04 PM

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Smart move my lady. I wonder how the expansion pack can be installed ;) great job redshift ! I only wonder why haven't you build a tutorial. Took me 2 days to understand the game rules and play tricks :) well i have some minor bugs discovered but i need to be sure first. You can turn a character alive by getting rid of it @ the bar and then getting it hired again :) or hire another one. An auto save feature would be nice redshift.:)

redshift

12-04-2004, 10:45 PM

Hello!

Laura: you were right, *maybe* you should turn off the phone sometimes. That's because... hmm... maybe the Communicator wouldn't have enough memory to handle the incoming call, then the game is running, and you're on a map that requires much memory. This is just an idea :)

SpecialBoy: you can install the Exp Pack anytime, but it's connected to the 3rd city, Grendelmoore. You'll like the swamps around Grendelmoore, for example :) Undeads, Dragons, and so on.
Tutorial: you're right... the "help" could help :), just I didn't have time to make the Communicator version. The sound playback makes me crazy.

Btw: NEW TEST VERSION!!!
http://www.redshift.hu/stewe/LegacyComm3.zip
Changes:
- smaller size
- less required memory, I had to remove some sounds... the ambient ones. I know it's a reasonable thing, just these sounds required about 200KB memory.
- rewritten sound support. And 50% ready streaming version (I have serious problems with the streaming). So... if you still have problems with the new version's sound playback, then I have to make the streaming version.
With streaming, the application will be larger! Because the API sound needs 8 bit wavs, but the streaming needs 16 bit wavs.

Auto-save: as you can see, the save is a bit slow... I think I shouldn't force users to wait for periodically auto-saves. What do you think?

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP!!!

Regards,
Stewe

LAuRA

13-04-2004, 06:34 AM

Auto-save: as you can see, the save is a bit slow... I think I shouldn't force users to wait for periodically auto-saves. What do you think?

Saving is indeed slow so perhaps auto-save would not be a good idea. Besides, isn't it one of the tricks of the game to remember to save every once in a while? I always kick myself when I realize I've been too busy with the game to save.... and then I get killed, and have to start it all over again... :D

SirKline

13-04-2004, 07:45 AM

TheSpecialBoy

13-04-2004, 02:57 PM

I thinlk we can download a PDF with LECACY User manual for another platforms.

Regarding Game:

POINT I

If I put a charger in the telephone 9210 ver 4.13, sometimes the game get stucked. It freezes and I cannot return to game. Happend 4 times to me.

I start with 50% free memory according to smart memory.

When I restart the game takes me to a auto restore point wich i did not saved... each time I start with the character 2 in the forest.

POINT 2

It will be nice for me to test the entire game...not to play and discover... so a tips and tricks where quest can be solved and items found will be great.
dragos_popescu@msn.com :)

POINT 3

I don`t understand why is needed to turn MAP to the left or to the right when you can turn only the caracter arrow.

It gets me confused, because As i learned since I was litle, each MAP faces NORTH.

I think instead of changing map direction when the character turns, changing the arrow that indicates the character shoul be better.

POINT 4

When i put a character to cast spells "press C" i got let`ssay fire blast. If I press enter the character does not cast the spell. I need to press TAB and browse between magic items and when I reach Attack again press cursor DOWN and select the spell. And only then it works.

POINT 5

If we register the GAME, are some secret areas and secret spells revealed

POINT 6

Instructions:

From where can we get a list of characters, abilities, the results of spells and what they are required to do.

POINT 7

You should give to the user the possibility of TRAINING session, especially for the CARD Play :)

Is great but there are some skills to be practiced and learned.

POINT 8

The only diferences between VER. 1 and VER 3 are the one you mentioned before? I hear some noises during the game like "POC" ,......"POC" and I do not know the cause of them....

POINT 9.....to be completed after some more play....

redshift

14-04-2004, 12:40 AM

Hey Stewe,

i got a problem, sometimes my 3. char can't fire a spell. It only seems to be char nr. 3 and only in the first round of a combat. Could you please check it and can someone confirm it?

greets, SirKline

Ps. Bless description : IMPROVES(?) the damage taken by enemies??
ps2. Morah is working fine

spell problem: I check this! Will be the first tomorrow.
Bless: improves the damage by your characters. Check the characters' damage values before and after the bless spell.

Morah: cool! Thanks!

Stewe

redshift

14-04-2004, 01:00 AM

SpecialBoy, here is the answers...

so.

MANUAL: we don't have manual for the other platforms... a 3rd party group makes it, but they are really slow.

POINT 1: I'll check the charger problem tomorrow, that will be the 2nd :)
I can't understand your auto-save problem: the auto-save is made during exit, and there is a question at startup, whether you want to load it or not. Or do you have a bug with this process?

POINT 2, hints: I could send you the hints/tips page url... http://www.hyperflame.com/toby/legframeset.html , this is the best source. I don't know better, except if you ask in this forum, and I'll try to help. Sylon designed all the maps, except final ones, but I know these maps.

POINT 3, map rotating: I was thinking about it a lot. I agree, the map would be better without rotating. Let's try this in the next version (tomorrow!). I included the rotating because of the compass.

POINT 4, cast problem: yea, it's a bug! Thank you! Will be corrected for the next version

POINT 5: registration means your party can advance beyond level 6, and you won't be blocked after killing N'Gora. So the shareware area is a bit large!

POINT 6: Check the "help", the "classes" section shows the character classes. We don't have more information for characters. Spells: the only source is the inventory screen, Spells section, and selecting a spell.

POINT 7, card: how should I make the training ? Or... a "card" section in the help would be good ?

POINT 8, POC POC :) : maybe step sound... when do you hear it? During any of the effects? Or during a few of them ?
(I'll check this tomorrow, too)

Thank you for your help!!!

Stewe

redshift

14-04-2004, 01:02 AM

Saving is indeed slow so perhaps auto-save would not be a good idea. Besides, isn't it one of the tricks of the game to remember to save every once in a while? I always kick myself when I realize I've been too busy with the game to save.... and then I get killed, and have to start it all over again... :D

Thank you, it's a good idea! I could show a message, for example "You haven't saved your game in the last 30 minutes", and so on. Is it ok?

Stewe

SirKline

14-04-2004, 08:23 AM

spell problem: I check this! Will be the first tomorrow.

Bless: improves the damage by your characters. Check the characters' damage
values before and after the bless spell.

Morah: cool! Thanks!

Stewe

spell problem:
i think its the same special boy describes, with sometimes the spell not firing off.

Bless: i understood this, but the spell description ingame is a bit irritating then, sounds like you recieve more damage from enemies to me

Morah: funny map, even though i managed to kill a char there again

sound keys still don't work for me,
i mean they do work, but not instantly, thats not how its supposed to be, is it?

btw. if you don't mind, I'd like to have a peek at the editor, would you give me an URL as pm or mail?

greets SirKline

TheSpecialBoy

14-04-2004, 09:59 AM

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The sound settings work only if you display the menu. The issue is that any "respectable" ;) game has a sound volume indicator like a scale or indicator for minimum and maximum level reached :) may be redshift can do a patch and improve this also. But during ingame you cannot adjust sound.

redshift

14-04-2004, 10:33 AM

SirKline:
- spell: will be fixed for next version, I'm starting to work on this now
- bless: please write a next, out Englihs isn't enough. I thought "taken by enemies" means they have more damage
- sound keys: no prob, I can accept the sound keys on the game screen, too. It's a small modification (next version)
- editor: http://www.redshift.hu/stewe/editortest.zip (the documentation is under construction)

SpecialBoy:
- volume indicator: ok! ( next version:) )
- sound keys: will be done, too

I'll be back a developer day later (~12 hours)

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP!!!

Btw you didn't mention sound problems in the new test version. Does it mean stability? No crash, no "CMda...." messages ?

Regards,
Stewe

TheSpecialBoy

14-04-2004, 11:59 AM

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I did not installed the new version yet because i did not had a laptop with me. I'Ll let you know after tonight ;)

Lipp

14-04-2004, 11:05 PM

Hi All,
I’m Louis Lipp; Lippdinos@pobox.com I’ll be joining the Legacy beta test group. For the past couple of days I have been having a little trouble logging so I have been emailing my bug reports to Stewe. All is [hopefully] well now but I wanted to keep you up to date on what I’ve been up to on my side of the world. Here’s the short rundown.

My system:
Communicator model: 9210I
Rom: 05.54 (Portuguese, dang.)
Memory: External 128mb verbatim mmc, 17megs free.
Free internal: 3228k (I had to open up some space)

I generally don’t have more than 1meg executable memory on my machine but redsoft games seem to give me incentive to find space. We really need more complex games for the communicator, I’m glad someone has their foot on the ball.

Stewe, thanks again for the tips and the patience since I’m still a little new to the communicator.

I have been reporting all sorts of bugs but almost all of them have to do with trying to run Legacy with less than the recommended (3.2megs) of executable memory so I won’t really get into details about those for now.

Apparently the 9210I has some problems with the sound on this program, no matter how much memory I use to run it (3.4 megs free last count). Anyone else here have a 9210I?

Well, back to business, here's my last bug report:

Bug report 5
12-4-4
Louis Lipp
Lippdinos@pobox.com

Installed Legacy (3rd file), the one that’s missing some of the old sounds.

3321k executable memory free.

No bug?: Game started up fine, at main menu music plays for about a minute and stops. I’m guessing the music is supposed to stop because I keep reporting. All the menus seemed to work fine and when I quit it went back to my Desktop peacefully. (First time!)

Bug 1: (sound won’t toggle) when I press ctrl-s on the main screen I see the red line show up over the speaker but the sound keeps on playing.

Note: game started up without a problem. I can hear the characters movement, I’m still sorry we lost the other sounds though but I understand they had to go.

Obs.fix?: in the inventory screen the white text looks a little gritty, just doesn’t look good and can be a little hard to make out at times. The other colors are fine. After playing the game a little I noticed that the white text is also hard to read in the quest menu and others. If you don’t want to change the color, I suggest you at least make the text boldface to solve this problem.

Obs: from spell book menu (‘C’ at main screen) you cannot change to another characters book without exiting, selecting the other character and pressing ‘’C’ again. Could be a little more practical if we could just press 1-4 while in here as well.

Bug 2: (memory crash) When I ‘sleep’ at the inn I got the ‘out of memory’ error screen. Game locks up and after a minute I get this error: Kern-EXEC ; error #:3.
Right after that message I pressed the hotkey for taskmanager and that crashed as well. Message: Taskman ; Eikon-Listbox; #5

Note: I freed more memory and tried to sleep at the inn again (now with 3444k free) and it worked fine. Every test below this line is performed with 3444k free.

Bug3: (sound crash) While playing cards at the inn, (this only happened once so far) I got the error message:
Media Server
Kern-exec
3
after that the game still played perfectly but with none of the sounds.

Bug4?: (unverified) I had some trouble with combat in the gnome house but I want to look into it further to see if I can repeat the error.

Neat Glitch: (character duplication) At the inn, I unloaded 2 dead characters and went to hire more. I noticed that one of the guys up for hire was already in my party (Lord Bregennan) I hired him and he turned out to be identical to the guy I already had in the party, including xp and items. I did not really try to duplicate this yet.

Here are some suggestions that you may not like but..: (Group, your thoughts?)

It would be really practical if we could have a save hotkey, Ctrl+S maybe?

I would strongly suggest that the map on the left side of the screen not rotate with the 1st person view. If instead of the map moving around the arrow (that indicates the party), how about if the arrow moved around on the map. We already have the 1st person view for realism so the rotating map just ends up being a little confusing and less useful for navigation. It can also be confusing to have so much movement on the screen.

This is just an thought, but … what do you think about having the objects on the ground flicker when we step directly on them? I often step right over things without noticing them, especially dark objects in a dark rainy forest, realistic as it may be J

redshift

14-04-2004, 11:32 PM

Hello!

Welcome on board, Lipp! :)
I just realized you sent me this message via email, but I think the forum reply would be better. Hmm I can send it to you as an email, too.

- Sound: I have made modification in the sound system (again). After this message, I'll upload the new version.

- CTRL-S: now it works in the new version.

- White text in inventory: I check this! It's in my list now.

- Chaning character when you see the spellbook: ok! Will be in the game (next version)

- Sleeping: I have to check this... it's a fade routine, and this fade is a trick on Communicator.

- Media server error, while playing with card game: probably I started more sound at the same nanosecond :) That's the only thing I can imagine. It needs deeper examination.

- Character duplication: Oucchh! OOpps, it seems to be a huge bug! Don't know how, but it's a Communicator-specific bug. Will be tested tomorrow.

- CTRL-S: now you can use CTRL-S, CTRL-up/down from the game screen (in the new version I'll upload in 10 minutes). So the CTRL-S is reserved. What can I do: X is the key that you can use to reach Main menu from inventory screen. I can map the same X key from the game screen. It's not a direct link to save your game, but could help a lot. What do you think ?
- In the new test version, the map rotating is stopped. You'll see and will like that :)
- I'll think about this item notification. Not a bad idea!

(Now uploading the new test version)

Stewe

redshift

14-04-2004, 11:41 PM

So, the new version:

http://www.redshift.hu/stewe/LegacyComm4.zip

And please, when you post something, write your test version. Would be easier for me to imagine the problem. Thanks!

Changes:
- Spell-casting problems. It seems the problem occurred when you tried to use "magic items", not sure. Currently it works correctly, based on my tests. I hope you'll see the same :)
- map rotating... removed.
- "End of turn" (info for the hotkey) during a battle round
- Battery indicator on the main screen. Currently I can display only "good" and "low". I'm working on the % - based display, but it's undocumented.
- Gamma level and Volume indicator on the main screen.
- CTRL-S and CTRL-up/down can be used on the game screen

Thank you for your help!

Stewe

TheSpecialBoy

15-04-2004, 09:47 AM

redshift

15-04-2004, 10:04 AM

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I agree with the flickering feature of the objects on the ground. I Was thinking of it too because i was trying to pick some spots that looked like items but they where not :) on the other hand i was thinking of a feature that allows user to load a game saved on telephone or mmc. I mean saving different stages of the game because we need to beta test this game until the end of it. If we test only first stages until day 6 or day 10 ;) we cannot discover bugs that can appear after finishing current quests of the map. I am not sure if i got myself understood but i want to continue my game after uninstalling previous version from the point i left it and continue it after uploading new version.

Flickering: ok, I'll think about it. Maybe not in the next test version (few days).

And you don't have to uninstall the previous version to install the new one. It'll replace the old one during install, but should leave your saved games there.
But you can backup your saved games, file manager, system\apps\legacy, and copy LegacySaveX.pdb files (where X is 0-4, 0: auto-saved, 1-4: slots).

Now I have more items in my todo list! Just going to work!

*Thank you for your help!*

Stewe

SirKline

16-04-2004, 05:29 AM

The display of the gamma and sound levels is very nice.

but most importantly the nonexitent map rotation makes it much much easier. This is really much better.

greets

SirKline

SirKline

16-04-2004, 07:45 AM

Hey Stewe,

the registry key is not saved. I have to register new everytime i start the game.
Bug or Feature?

Just killed N'Gora, YES!! :D

Greets

SirKline

redshift

16-04-2004, 10:10 AM

The display of the gamma and sound levels is very nice.

but most importantly the nonexitent map rotation makes it much much easier. This is really much better.

greets

SirKline

Thank you!!!
Btw I really don't know why I set the map to be rotated. I thought it's better, don't ask why.

I have a small delay with the new test version, because our bunny died yesterday ;( My girlfriend is very sad ;( Just like me ;(((((((

Regards,
Stewe

SirKline

16-04-2004, 02:59 PM

Hi Stewe,

I'm sorry for your rabbit. Probly easter was to hard for it, bringing all the eggs?

However i'm back at work (read testing) and i have a major problem. After killing the bad guy i went to the second city. However since i missed the Ashela quest i went back via teleporter and finished it. Then teleported to the second city again.

Now comes the trouble:

while walking around in the second city every now and then i get teleported to decantres. This should not be., should it?

Greets
SirKline

TheSpecialBoy

16-04-2004, 03:50 PM

redshift

16-04-2004, 04:50 PM

Thank you...
;(

Sirkline, it seems to be a bug...
OR, I can imagine something. Your game was registered, so you were able to go to the second city. But now, for the new version, probably you deleted the game, and deleted the LegacyCfg.pdb file, which contains the entered regcode. In this case you should enter your regcode again, in "Please Register" screen.

But... if your game is registered, but you are still teleported back to the base world, then it's a bug...

SpecialBoy: thank you! We gave him everything ;( He loved tropical fruits, although he were a real bunny.

Stewe

SirKline

16-04-2004, 07:03 PM

Stewe,

its seems to have to do with the registration, everything is fine after registering again. However the registry information is not saved. i have to register every time i start the game.

greets

SirKline

LAuRA

16-04-2004, 07:18 PM

Sorry to hear about your rabbit :( Rabbits never hurt anybody... unlike these damn spiders in the catacombs...

I like the map now that it doesn't rotate. I'm still struggling with the memory problems, and I get crashes a lot (when leaving the forest or checking the first barrel in town for example), but I'm playing with 3.2-3.3 mb free and maybe that isn't quite enough. Besides I have 3.54 firmware, which is kinda old too. The game is good though, so keep up the good work :)

redshift

16-04-2004, 10:38 PM

Hello!

SirKline: I check it at once! It seems to be a bug. The "registry" is special in this Communicator version... called LegacyCfg.pdb. Will be fixed for next version.

Laura... Thank you. I try to work instead of getting crazy :(
Memory problems: I try to find something, which could mean less used memory. Not sure :( Maybe only the 1.06 version can be better, because I have to write this part again, for every version (palm, ppc, symbian). That's a huge work.

Thank you for your help!

Stewe

Lipp

17-04-2004, 12:27 AM

Hi there,
Thanks! Sorry bout the duplicate message. I sent it to you because I was only able to post it here on the group now. I just went ahead and created a new id so problem solved.
[]’s Louis

Bug Report 6
15-4-4
Louis Lipp
Lippdinos@pobox.com

3305k free
Legacy v.4

Bug ?: sound gives out when I enter help screen? (Is this normal?)

Improper naming(?): Father Asmodeus. Hm.. This does not bother me, but the name might touch a delicate note with some. Asmodeus being the overlord of all the dukes of hell and all.

Bug 1: (hiring character bug) When hiring you get the message ‘press ‘h’ again to know more..’ but nothing happens.
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Annoying feature / Bug :(Auto save) I really like the idea that autosave does not save in the same position as the last save. It’s nice to have it as a safety backup instead of having it force overwrite on my real save. Especially since sometimes I just want to fool around without saving.

Problems:
1) I would like to have the option to quit without saving.
2) It defeats the purpose of autoload (great feature by the way) on the startup screen since it loads from the autosave and not from your last save position, which may be different.
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Observation: In ‘Help’ menu you can see "Return" on the bottom right. It looks like the "return" corresponds to the button on the side of the screen. It took me a little time to notice that the different color of the ‘R’ in return corresponds to the keyboard and not the command button it stands next to. You might want to think about moving or changing this to make navigation more intuitive. I’m not the only silly person around J

Bug 2: characters still duplicate in the hire screen.

Bug 3: (combat) when we press ‘E’ to skip a turn in combat, both characters in the row pass their turn. Is there a way to change this so that only the selected (or active) character passes? Btw. When a character passes, does he get a ‘Guarding’ bonus for defense or does he just pass? If he does get a bonus, how about putting a ‘Guard’ option on the combat screen? Instead of the hidden ‘E’.

Bug 4: (combat) this is the bug I was telling you about in the gnome house. It has happened twice so far, but not every time I tried it. When you walk in, kill the first gnome, the second gnome (keeper) behind him engages you in combat. He is a step or two in away but you can’t move forward or run away. You seem kind of paralyzed in this screen for a while. One of the times I was able to move forward after a while the other I wasn’t.

!Bug 5: (crash) I did this several times in the same playing session before I got an error.. After I slept at the inn, I "played cards" and got the "out of memory" warning followed by a lockup followed by a crash. Message:

Kern-EXEC
3

!Bug 6: (sound crash) This only happened once all night, and once the next day (with a fresh boot). Playing cards, I got a (Kern-exec, 3) message. Game still worked fine, but without sound.

!Bug 7: (random crashes)
1) while just walking around, I got a crash: Kern-EXEC, 1. This happened twice.
2) while trying to enter the inn, out of memory msg. Crash. cmda-controller, 7. (I had 3221k free)

Odd Game Characteristics:

(combat) How come the guys in the back row can’t fight with melee weapons but they can get hit by monsters wielding the same? Plus, when both guys in the front get killed the guys in the back don’t get automatically pushed forward (neither are they allowed to attack), you have to go in and manually ‘replace’ them. Can you allow the guys in the back to attack with melee weapons automatically if both the guys in front are down?

The other way to solve this could be:
To automatically push forward the guy in the 4th position but only after both 1 and 2 get killed. I know you don’t want to push both magic users forward at the same time and the stronger one traditionally brings up the rear (4th). Just a thought.

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Speaking of which: Is there any chance we could get the ‘Replace’ put in the ‘Main Character Screen’ instead of in the ‘Status’ screen? It’s too many button presses away and might be more intuitive that way. J

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Obs.: I noticed that in combat I can go into my inventory, drink potions, do whatever , trade stuff, and still have time to attack. Don’t know if this is worth changing really, seems to fit the game pretty well. Just wanted to let you know about.

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(Inventory spell book) You cannot cast spells from the inventory spell book while in combat.
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In stores around the city I noticed you can only sell stuff that is related to what the store is selling. What do you think about not showing the items in the inventory that you can’t sell to that store (value 0)?

On other notes:

Stewe: I think that mapping the ‘X’ key from the Adventure Screen would be a great idea, but it does not substitute a hotkey for saving. We still have to press 8 keys to save the game and more to get back to the adventure screen. How bout a <Ctrl> +1 or something?
Actually, here are my thoughts on the matter. The only thing that I think is really necessary from the list below is a hotkey from the adventure screen to the save screen, but if you want to make the game really have some nice features, how about this:
<Ctrl>+1 QuickSave - will save game in last position saved but without changing screens
<Ctrl>+4 Shortcut to save – will send you to save screen
<Ctrl>+6 Shortcut to load – will send you to load screen

I really liked the volume/gama /battery indicators, thanks! I’m glad you left them on the title screen, anywhere else might have taken some of the fantasy feel from the game. Especially since we don’t need to keep a constant eye on them.

Since you are taking suggestions J

On loading: it would be really nice if when you got into the loading or save screen, the cursor automatically would highlight the most recent save. (this isn’t necessarily the same as the one with the greatest time frame, but it would be really special if you could manage that.)
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One thing that is not really necessary, but would really be useful: (DragonFire really, really needed this feature). Some X:00, Y:00 coordenates near the map. They could be map dependant so one would not start counting where the other map left off, each map (city or east forest, etc.) would just have their own. This would make it soooo much easier to find those hard to get to places in the middle of nowhere, or "where was that quest guy again?"
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TheSpecialboy has a point on the training. I think that it would be a neat idea but not essential. Maybe one of us could get the editor and make a little training adventure with lot’s of signs to read and people to talk to on the way. A pop up message here or there maybe. I think that would solve it. As for the cards… I really don’t think it is that hard to figure out. A little help screen with the pictures of the cards and some basic explanations might be nice, but some things are fun to figure out for yourself as well. I can go either way. Not necessary for an alpha release.

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The Bless spell description: the original text is:
"Improves the damage taken by enemies in combat"
What you said is correct, but it might be more clear if we changed it to:

"Increases the damage you cause to your enemies in combat."

or

"Allows your party to cause more damage in combat."

Question: is it only physical damage or does it also improve magical damage. In addition to that, does the spell improve your chances to hit? If so we may need to change the description. Also, is there any information you want to mention about time of effect? Such as, will the spell last for a single combat no matter how long or will it last an hour per level of caster, etc. etc.

Lipp

17-04-2004, 12:37 AM

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:( sorry for your rabbit :( . May be that in his memory you should enter a quest to make the magic rabbit immortal ;) i guess all will agree on it. Sorry again.

This is actually a really cool idea! :top:

I'm really sorry to hear about your bunny Stewe, :frown:

It's tough to loose a companion, but you will get to meet him again someday :saint: just don't be in a hurry!

redshift

17-04-2004, 01:25 AM

Well, huh! What a long message!
Thank you... I check them all now:

- music: I stop the music when you leave the main screen, except "start new game". It's because the music requires a lot of memory...

- Asmodeus: I can change it if you really want... btw I don't know what does it mean... it was made by our brain, probably we saw it somewhere (fantasy book?)

- Hiring, 'h': that should select the first character, so his/her stats can be seen. I check the shortcut.

- Auto-save: yea, by design. The auto-save slot is the 0, LegacySave0.pdb. In the next version, saving is dramatically faster, half second (or max 1 second)

- Quit without auto-save: I think it's not so important, since (as you said, too) the auto-save is a backup thing, not a real slot.

- Auto-load: you can simply press 'no', and load your manually saved games. I don't think a menu could be a good solution for this screen (since this screen doesn't have slot information at all, it's a different, load/save modul). The main screen knows only the 0 is the auto-save, and tries to detect whether it exists or not.

- Return button on help screen: in my list... I plan to put the button at the center/bottom.

- Character duplication: it's a sneaky bug, I need more investigations. But will be fixed in the next test version...

- The Guarding function can be a new one... the E can be useful when you don't want to do anything with your other characters. For example: a monster is approaching, you cast spells by your mage, but can't do anything with your other chars. Currently the game doesn't have 'guard' functionality. I think I don't want to modify the main game code, because it's balanced and stable (the errors are in the Communicator part, or in a main part because of a Communicator feature). This can be a good item in the 1.06 version.

- Gnome thing: it's a bug, yes. Happened on more devices. Not sure why, I'll check it deeply.

- Crash, sleep, card game: maybe because of sleep, it's in my todo list. There can be a bug there (in the fade routine!?)

- Sound crash while playing with cards: I won't stop until I can re-create this problem! I can imagine it, but can't find the problem in the code by my imagination.

- MAYBE: you have a bit low execution memory... could you make a bit more ? Or 3305 is the max ? The game can be more stable with ~3500 free. It's in my list, with high priority. I have to decrease the needed memory by a few hundred kilobytes.

- Automatically move: not sure. Because: you could move one of them to the 1st line, instead of both of them.
And the monsters can't hit characters in the 2nd row, if they're front of you. Of course the game calculates the attackable members by melee attack from a direction... if they're back, then they can attack characters in the 2nd line.
Well, I'll think about this, but I don't like the automatical things (some should be in the game, for comfort, I agree).

- Replace, Main Characters Screen: ok.

- Drink during combat: yea, by design. We had to think about players with less (or none) rpg experience. Pda market isn't large enough to release a "strong" rpg (for example pc and console market are big enough :p)

- Inventory spell book: it's just a reference, for information. I can't simply switch back to game screen to cast a spell at once... that's why you have a game-screen-spellbook with 'c'.

- Not showing items: I don't agree or just partially. This could lead to support emails (from the unexperinced rpg players...): where are my items? They're missing.

- save/load shortcuts: the X is in the new version now... other shortcuts: ok, it's a new todo item... why ctrl-4 and ctrl-6 ?

- load screen, highlight: it's a small thing, I can make it, 5 minutes. However, I don't think it's so important :p

- xx,yy: well... we included the place info in the quest descriptions, and you can see the red small point where npcs are standing. The xx,yy can be done.

- training: the truth is we planned that more users need forums to play with the game at 100% efficiency. That's a kind of self-marketing (when more forums are dedicated to Legacy). A trainer map is a good idea.

- Bless description: ok!
And the "bless" can only help you in melee attack, in every rpg. And, the most important thing: mages will be the far most strong characters later! When they will have hundreds of spell points and their lightning bolt spell cause >100 damage. You'll see that.
Ah yes, another thing: the curse spell. It's important for melee, and for magical attacks, too. A cursed monster will receive more damage.

- In the inventory's spellbook, you can see that the damage/time effect *by your current character*. It's not linear, and based on class, level, intelligence level, and so on. Check the spell descriptions...

Thank you for your help!

And thank you for your words about our bunny. We miss him so much :(

Stewe

TheSpecialBoy

17-04-2004, 11:39 AM

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When i want to sell some items like clothes or weapons i got a 0 value for them and i cannot sell them. What am i supposed to do with them ? Drop it ? Next: when entering the sell items i should not be able to sell the item wear by the character. And second i guess listing items that has nothing to do with the store we are in is useless and makes no sense to browse clothes if i want to sell weapons

TheSpecialBoy

17-04-2004, 11:46 AM

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Please also improve the menu picture ;) is not good resolution :) another bug. Please think about an undo feature . Or is not a RPG common feature ? Another one. If the character has full force or magna can you make that if the character wants to drink another one is warned that the level is full and makes no sense ? Sometimes you drink a potion by mistake.

TheSpecialBoy

17-04-2004, 11:48 AM

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Where is that crucifix ? For the northen house ? That is my last wuquest :) help of guys ! :-(

redshift

17-04-2004, 10:07 PM

Hello!

Forgive me, Specialboy, Lipp, I may don't give high priority for some small new features you requested... I think when I have serious items in my todo list, then I have to work on them. For example: memory.
And, don't forget, I have to collect todo items for the next version, too! Without this, I could apply modifications until Christmas. The game isn't so simple, I think you can always try new todo items :p

However, I agree with most of your suggestions!

Thank you for your help!

Regards,
Stewe

Lipp

17-04-2004, 10:18 PM

Hi Stewe, (inserted!)

> Well, huh! What a long message!

Yeah, I’m sorry about that. I was on a roll :D Luckily most of it was my babbling not errors.

>music: I stop the music when you leave the main screen, except "start new
>game". It's because the music requires a lot of memory...

ok, just checking.

> Asmodeus: I can change it if you really want... btw I don't know what does it
>mean... it was made by our brain, probably we saw it somewhere (fantasy book?)

It doesn’t bother me at all. I’m just doing my job letting you know what you might be in for :) I wouldn’t worry about it for now. Most religious fanatics probably won’t recognize the name anyway.

>Quit without auto-save: I think it's not so important, since (as you said, too) the auto
>save is a backup thing, not a real slot.
> Auto-load: you can simply press 'no', and load your manually saved games. I don't
> think a menu could be a good solution for this screen

Ok, sorry, it took me a minute to understand what you had in mind. Please ignore what I suggested about no autosave on exit or menus for loading on startup.

Bug: What threw me off is that I found a bug (this happened twice so far) when I tried to autoload, the game actually started at a point before my last save. That made me think that the autosave was not the same as the save when exit.

> The Guarding function can be a new one... the E can be useful when you don't want to
> do anything with your other characters. For example: a monster is approaching, you
> cast spells by your mage, but can't do anything with your other chars. Currently the
> game doesn't have 'guard' functionality. I think I don't want to modify the main game
>code, because it's balanced and stable (the errors are in the Communicator part, or in a
>main part because of a Communicator feature). This can be a good item in the 1.06 version.

I was actually just curious about it. I agree that it is not worth compromising good code for a not so relevant modification. I still find it annoying that ‘E’ skips more than one character though, but it’s nothing we can’t work around.

>MAYBE: you have a bit low execution memory... could you make a bit more ? Or
>3305 is the max ? The game can be more stable with ~3500 free. It's in my list, with
>high priority. I have to decrease the needed memory by a few hundred kilobytes.

I’ll use more memory from now on. I was only running 3305 because I wanted to beta test under conditions that your target consumers will most likely be using. The game does recommend 3.2megs ;). Just trying to cover your back. Most people, (like me, until you taught me how :D) won’t know how to free so much memory.

>Automatically move: not sure. Because: you could move one of them to the 1st line,
>instead of both of them.

It just seems unfair, because once the guys in the front fall, the guys in the back can get hit (as if they were in front) but they can’t hit back unless we re-order them.

Unless you want to do something really, really impractical like:
"If both front characters were slain, the 4th position (4th position because the stronger of the back characters usually brings up the rear) could pop forward…" (I don’t honestly expect something like this to be implemented)

… It might be better to just allow the guys in back to behave like front fighters unless one of them re-orders to take the lead.

I know my mind works in disturbing ways. ;)

>Well, I'll think about this, but I don't like the automatical things (some should be in the
>game, for comfort, I agree).

I agree. I wouldn’t mention it if my characters didn’t drop like flies. I’m sure in higher levels this isn’t much of an issue so you might want to ignore this all together. Especially now that you are going to put ‘Replace’ in an easier to reach place.

>And the monsters can't hit characters in the 2nd row, if they're front of you. Of course
>the game calculates the attackable members by melee attack from a direction... if they're
>back, then they can attack characters in the 2nd line.

Ok, this was an oversight of my part. My bad.

>Drink during combat: yea, by design. We had to think about players with less (or none)
>rpg experience.

Agreed. The game is balanced with it though and it works nicely.

>Inventory spell book: it's just a reference, for information. I can't simply switch back to
>game screen to cast a spell at once... that's why you have a game-screen-spellbook with 'c'.

I actually knew that, but it’s still our duty to point out things that may confuse some of your customers as well as giving error reports. No matter how much grief this might cause to the poor, unsuspecting programmer 8D
Just pick through what’s useful, no biggie J

>Not showing items: I don't agree or just partially. This could lead to support emails
>(from the unexperinced rpg players...): where are my items? They're missing.

Ok, I see what you mean. You are going to get the support emails anyway, unless you at least replace the ‘0gp’ with an ‘X’ or ‘can’t sell here’.

> save/load shortcuts: the X is in the new version now... other shortcuts: ok, it's a new
>todo item... why ctrl-4 and ctrl-6 ?

Sweet! Well,
1) I thought of Ctrl-1 for the QuickSave because the player could press it without changing the way he’s holding the communicator, so it would be faster and easier and with only one hand. It would also be hard to press by mistake. Maybe ctrl-0 would be a better shortcut.
2) Ctrl-4 and ctrl-6, because they were far enough apart that one might have to use different hands to press them. It might reduce the grief of pressing the wrong button and saving instead of loading. Lots of the old game companies used to do it this way come to think about it, like Sierra and Id, if I’m not mistaken.

If you are really going to implement it, we could put it up to vote, maybe?

>load screen, highlight: it's a small thing, I can make it, 5 minutes. However, I
>don't think it's so important :p

Well, it’s not, now that I understand the logic behind the autoload option at startup. (as I said, mine was buggy) That, coupled with the autosave feature will make it unnecessary.

> xx,yy: well... we included the place info in the quest descriptions, and you can
>see the red small point where npcs are standing. The xx,yy can be done.

Understood. On second thought, the maps are small enough to not really need the x,y especially with the red points. I also failed to notice you could scroll the map on the full map screen. Doh! ;P
I really would urge you to put it in the next DragonFire game though J with a map that big it is really hard finding a pinpoint spot like the apple tree.

> Bless description: ok!
>And the "bless" can only help you in melee attack, in every rpg. And, the most
>important thing: mages will be the far most strong characters later! When they will have
>hundreds of spell points and their lightning bolt spell cause 100 damage. You'll see that.
>Ah yes, another thing: the curse spell. It's important for melee, and for magical attacks,
>too. A cursed monster will receive more damage.

Ok, (on bless) Although it is customary, not every rpg ‘bless’ spell raises only melee damage dished out. I thought it was worth double-checking just in case.

As for ‘curse’ I’m a little confused now. I’m reading the description and it states:
"Curse: Lowers the damage and defense of an enemy"

I interpret what you just told me as: "curse will raise both physical and magical damage received by the enemy."

But my understanding from the spell description is: "reduces the damage the enemy can cause to you and lowers his defense as well."

Can you clarify this for me?

> In the inventory's spellbook, you can see that the damage/time effect *by your current
>character*. It's not linear, and based on class, level, intelligence level, and so on. Check
>the spell descriptions...

I did. I didn’t find anything regarding this other than what I wrote as your previous description. This might be because I was checking the description of scrolls at the time since my characters didn’t know the spell.

>And thank you for your words about our bunny. We miss him so much :(

Any chance we could see a picture of the little guy? I don’t want to push on a touchy subject if it bothers you, but my girlfriend is really into animals and is bugging me to find out more about him! :biggrin:

Take care, Louis

redshift

17-04-2004, 11:06 PM

Hi!

I don't include your one, it would a 2-page message!

First of all... bunny pictures ;( ...I started to cry... these are older pictures, and his left eye was healthy on these pictures. It was so diseased, before he died
;(((((((((((((
http://www.redshift.hu/stewe/nyuszi01.jpg
(and increase 01 to 12)
Half a day earlier there was a burial service ;(

(5 minutes later, after a cigarette)

some things from your message:

- Autosave: it happens only when exit... I really don't call that routine, except in "exit" routine. So... you may saved your game before exit. In this case the auto-save and your real save can be almost the same.

- Memory: I decided to develop a new version, with much lower needed memory. But! (and I need your opinion): the new version can be a bit slower. Because: Now I pre-render every picture in every distance, so the drawing is fast, because I don't have to dynamically draw&resize at the same time (just draw). It needs more memory, of course. For the new version, I could develop optimized drawing routines, these can draw&resize (but takes at least 1 MB less execution memory!). What do you think? It can be a few days work, I would have to optimize fully the new drawing routines.

- To allow the characters in 2nd line to attack when the first ones are died: it's absolutely logical, I agree. Will be done!
(You were right - it won't be useful later... you characters won't die at all, I'm sure)

- The "can't sell here" doesn't fit into the small space... and I don't have the abc characters in the raster font (the items' prices are with a special font). Not so important, I think. But yes, we had and will have emails about this... from new players, since they'll know it later, although they won't have later such items, or just a few.

- Dragonfire: we plan a sequel... with a free world editor, 10x larger base world, sub-maps, just like Legacy.

- Bless: I think you're "blessed" when a mage cast a bless on you (in rpg). That means *higher* chance to attack succesfully, and higher chance to apply more damage. With spells, it's a different thing, without physical connection.
Based on this, yes, I could make the bless to work with spells, too. I shouldn't have to! Because of the mage characters, they're the strongest ones!
There are more players who finished the game only with a single mage/battlemage!!! They had a level 24 mage after the finish.
I have a saved game from the end, if you're interested!

- Curse: you're right. This can be because of our English, and other players on other platforms didn't have a mood to mention this :p
Note: the text must be short enough for the spell descriptions. Without this, I may have to include the fixed one in the Communicator version only... (for example ppc has only 320x240 resolution)

I don't have too much mood to work during this weekend :(
Maybe I'll have a new version days later.

Regards,
Stewe

LAuRA

18-04-2004, 07:29 AM

First of all... bunny pictures ;( ...I started to cry... these are older pictures, and his left eye was healthy on these pictures. It was so diseased, before he died
;(((((((((((((
http://www.redshift.hu/stewe/nyuszi01.jpg
(and increase 01 to 12)
Half a day earlier there was a burial service ;(

...

I don't have too much mood to work during this weekend :(
Maybe I'll have a new version days later.

Regards,
Stewe

The bunny is adorable, I can understand your pain. :((( I have three cats myself and I can't imagine ever being able to let them go... :((( So take your time with the game, there are other things in life that are important too.

But when you get back to work, making the memory requirements more manageable would be my suggestion. I'm frustrated when I sometimes can't save, can't open all barrels (the first one in Decrantes for example always crashes my game), can't open doors (haven't been to the inn yet because the game crashes at the door) etc. without the Kern Exec #3. 3.3 mb does not seem to be enough and I'm getting nowhere with this. I know I should format and all to free more memory but is it realistic to assume 'regular' players do that every time? (I am not a pro in rpgs or any of the techical stuff myself, so these are 'layman's comments').

If you keep the memory requirements at this level, the users would need simple instructions on how to free more memory, and that may not be possible... Formatting is not a simple operation. Of course in the future communicators (9500) this is probably not a problem anymore. The crude and slow version for the old devices and the faster one for the future devices maybe?

Btw I've been playing the version you gave in Comm4.zip.

Try to enjoy your weekend Stewe :)

TheSpecialBoy

18-04-2004, 07:49 AM

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Hey ! Where is my crucifix ? Might be a bug that i don't find it ?

SirKline

18-04-2004, 07:51 AM

Hi!

First of all... bunny pictures ;(

My girlfriend: 'Oh, he's so cute.' I think you should definitly set him some kind of memorial in the game.

- Autosave: it happens only when exit... I really don't call that routine, except in "exit" routine. So... you may saved your game before exit. In this case the auto-save and your real save can be almost the same.

But one thing that might be handy would be to be able load the autosave from the menu, not just on starting the game.

- Memory: I decided to develop a new version, with much lower needed memory. But! (and I need your opinion): the new version can be a bit slower. Because: Now I pre-render every picture in every distance, so the drawing is fast, because I don't have to dynamically draw&resize at the same time (just draw). It needs more memory, of course. For the new version, I could develop optimized drawing routines, these can draw&resize (but takes at least 1 MB less execution memory!). What do you think? It can be a few days work, I would have to optimize fully the new drawing routines.

Sounds like a good idea to me. Maybe we should try it and see whether less performance is a big issue compared to lesser RAM needed.

- To allow the characters in 2nd line to attack when the first ones are died: it's absolutely logical, I agree. Will be done!
(You were right - it won't be useful later... you characters won't die at all, I'm sure)

- The "can't sell here" doesn't fit into the small space... and I don't have the abc characters in the raster font (the items' prices are with a special font). Not so important, I think. But yes, we had and will have emails about this... from new players, since they'll know it later, although they won't have later such items, or just a few.

Maybe you could give the startitems a value of 1? So they could be sold but it would not make profit.

- Dragonfire: we plan a sequel... with a free world editor, 10x larger base world, sub-maps, just like Legacy.

This is great news.

<snip>

I don't have too much mood to work during this weekend :(
Maybe I'll have a new version days later.

Regards,
Stewe

Anyway, much thanks for your fast improvements regarding our concerns and sugestions.
If you want me to, i would try to make a tutorial map. However i fear that it would be a bit communicator specific since i don't play another version and i don't know the differences.

Greets SirKline

TheSpecialBoy

18-04-2004, 08:13 AM

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Found it ! The crucifix :) it was no bug :)

TheSpecialBoy

18-04-2004, 08:23 AM

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How can i use the

LAuRA

18-04-2004, 08:25 AM

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Found it ! The crucifix :) it was no bug :)

LOL, congrats :D

TheSpecialBoy

18-04-2004, 08:32 AM

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How can i use the

How can i use the n.gora entance key ? Do i need to register or what ?

redshift

18-04-2004, 10:54 AM

Hi!

More answers...

Laura: thank you... the truth is We shouldn't be selfish. He would have serious pains without the surgery - and it seems his small body wasn't strong enough during that surgery :(
We're going to go to the cemetary today, too...
Currently We aren't strong enough to believe it was the best for him, but that's the truth.
- Memory: it's the most important thing. Communicator is fast enough to handle the dynamic resize during drawing, so it's the best method. The needed memory will be decreased dramatically -> around middle of the week.

SirKline: thank you... yes, I'm thinking about something like this, a memorial.
- Auto-save from the menu (load/save screen): yes, it's a good idea. I can put a 5th slot on the load/save screen.
- Memory: the speed depends on the optimization. I may have to rewrite that routine several times, to be fast enough. I have ideas for this task, maybe I should use Arm assembly on Communicator, but it's very hard.
- new items, gold=1: brilliant idea!!!
- tutorial map: thank you!!! with the editor, you can't make Communicator-specific maps... all of the versions use the same "inner-game-code", and they're absolutely compatible. A note, but probably you won't try it: You can beam a saved game from Palm or Ppc or Communicator, to another Palm/Ppc/Communicator. If you send it from a Communicator to a Palm, then the target device will simply accept it, and you can play with your saved game. It's tested, the compatibility is 100%.
(Same for downloaded maps!)

- SpecialBoy: if you got that key after beating N'Gora, then you should see a keyhole on the opposite wall (from the shelf). After opening it, there's a teleporter, and that's the shareware/release border! If you don't have a regcode, then please send me your IMEI, but please check if the game successfully blocks you at the teleporter.

Thank you for your help!

Stewe

TheSpecialBoy

18-04-2004, 07:33 PM

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My imei is 350149 10 362550 6 . Waiting for registration code. Ps just pm it to my. :) i am whiting ;)

SirKline

18-04-2004, 08:25 PM

Hi Stewe,

found another bug, the priority of the background fire in the nightly inn in the 2. city is higher than the hireling screens, so the fire will appear in front of the hireling's head.

And about the tut map. Already started to layout a map but i haven't found out how to place an NPC (or another object) on a wall. Short hint please?

Greets

SirKline

ptw. Register limit worked fine for me, the lvl6 cap and the ngora dungeon.

redshift

18-04-2004, 08:43 PM

Hi!

SpecialBoy, I have sent your regcode via pm. Thank you for your help!

SirKline:
- inn anim: thank you! It's in my list now...
- editor: it's because of the lack of documentation. You need to hold down SHIFT, then you can select a wall on the map. Now if you have a selected "wall object" (at right), then you can press space to put it down.
Another thing: please open and examine the Morah map. You can see a teleport at the beginning... type: circle teleport, inner type: "back to connection", object name: "STARTGAME". You need to create a similar teleport, without it the game would simply skip your world!
- register limit: cool!!!

Thank you for your help!

Another thing: I have planned the new architecture (on paper), which will require less memory. It seems I *have* to work endlessly, instead of thinking about our bunny :(((

Regards,
Stewe

Lipp

19-04-2004, 06:26 AM

Oh No! Not another bug bible from Lippdinos! ;)
I know I can get longwinded on these reports. I’ve been QA’ing for a while and it turns into a habit. Don’t feel you have to respond all at once, I’m just trying to be complete when I can. (If you think these are bad you should see some of the 15 page ‘bug only’ reports I used to submit to AOL and Fantasoft.) :D

Bug Report 7
18-4-4
Louis Lipp
Lippdinos@pobox.com

Legacy V.4
3550k free

Old Bug: I have been thinking about what you said about my not running with enough memory. I noticed that when I use more memory I still get the same problems (random crashes just by walking around, sleeping at an inn, ‘out of memory’ messages, etc.) but it might take longer to happen. Logic dictates that the memory is getting polluted and sooner or later will crash no matter how much free ram you have. Could the cleanup functions be malfunctioning?

Bug 1: I am getting crashes when I quit. Very consistent error. Eikon-listbox #5.

Items…: I don’t understand why some items cost 0. Sometimes I have two identical daggers in my inventory but one will sell for 0 and the other for 60, at the same shop, at the same time. I have several items that the store wont offer more than 0 for, like swords, warhammers, etc. Why?
If ‘won’t sell here’ doesn’t fit over the item, how about drawing a big red ‘X’ over the items you can’t sell at that store. Here’s another idea: I remember one game I used to play only displayed items you could sell but you could see a shortcut on the screen that would ‘Show non salable items too.’

Quest items: Can you make it harder or impossible to drop quest items? At least a warning ‘you cannot finish the game without this item silly!’

Bug 2: Battery indicator always says ‘good’ no matter how low it is.

Bug 3: I was caught in combat with the last guy standing being equipped with a bow. He could not attack since he ran out of arrows but he could not switch weapons ‘because he was in combat’.

Characteristic: I may be wrong about this, but I did not notice any way to do it.
When you are fighting more than one foe, can you choose whom you are going to hit? It makes more sense to finish one enemy off instead of just hitting both.

Hm?: Do MP’s and HP’s regenerate over time?

Hm.2: I’m not sure if I mentioned this, when in the spellbook (combat, not reference), you cannot switch to another user by pressing 1-4.

Observations:

On SirKline’s idea: (autosave) It is a neat idea to be able to load from the auto-save position inside the game (or else you would have to quit and run the game again to do it), but I suggest you not allow us to save there. It would defeat the purpose of autosave. As it is, the 5th spot would be overwritten on exit anyway so it’s hardly a safe place to save a game.

Come to think of it, right now, AutoSave is only useful to get you into the game quicker. It’s not really a backup device. I think we need to re-think it’s purpose before we change anything else.

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SirKline: Maybe you could give the startitems a value of 1? So they could be sold but it would not make profit.
Stewe: - new items, gold=1: brilliant idea!!!

I really, strongly disagree with this one. It would create more confusion that it’s worth. Since we are constantly thinking about the novice player, this feature would really annoy them until they could figure out they had to go to the other shops. Either make the items non salable or don’t list them, selling them for less will just be really annoying for everyone.
Crap. Actually we are ignoring the easy way out. Just type a ‘–‘ or an ‘x’ in the price box. That should be easy enough to figure out and would not require any change big change in the programming. If you really want to get fancy with this (and still be lazy) you could re-order the items in the store view (only) so that you list the items the store wants to buy first, followed by all the others with the ‘-‘ or ‘x’ in the price square. Everyone will get the clue that way. A ‘NS’ for ‘No Sale’ will probably be easy to guess too. But please don’t let us sell mega items for a gp by mistake!
You would have another problem with that too, the items would end up in the store inventory ;) I wonder what price they would take on then.

On the store subject: Another idea for the future could be a general store. They buy everything for a lower price and sell for a higher price.
Perhaps even a pawn shop, that way you could sell items for a lower price but they would stay there so you could buy them back later.
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Stewe : Memory: I decided to develop a new version, with much lower needed memory. But! (and I need your opinion): the new version can be a bit slower.
(but takes at least 1 MB less execution memory!). What do you think? It can be a few days work, I would have to optimize fully the new drawing routines.

Well, I would really hate to see performance go, I have to admit the game right now, is only a little bit past the slow side.
I have to agree with Laura though, almost nobody has 3.2megs of free memory and even less will be willing to reset their communicators just to test this new game. To be honest with you it took me ages to be able to get 1 meg of free space (before I got my memory card) to be able to finally make space for DragonFire. (It was well worth it, but still,.. you have to run it once to find out.) From a customer’s standpoint, It’s already a tough decision to turn off all my communicator functions (including telephone), to run it. I sure as heck wouldn’t reset my device just to ‘try’ a game that one may or may not like.
Unless you want endless requests for assistance, (since most people would probably write you or give up way before reading a forum. At least until they got into the game), I think rewriting may be the only way out.

--

Questions:

1) Speaking of which, is there any way to recharge magic devices?
Suggestion for the future: How about a way to split and join quivers of (compatible) arrows. (very useful!!)

2) Are there any plans for the future to be able to replace the character portraits with our own custom pictures? Just seems to make sense since so many portables now a days have built in cameras.. J

--

I was checking out the description for legacy on your site.
I think you are downplaying a big point on not letting people know they can create AND SELL, new maps for this game with the free editor. Let them know they can create their own IMEI dependant (or whatever) codes and the interest on making new adventures will soar!! I’m guessing this is true, right? People won’t be able to edit the maps you create?
Oh, is the expansion pack already built into the communicator version?

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- Dragonfire: we plan a sequel... with a free world editor, 10x larger base world, sub-maps, just like Legacy.

When is this going to come out anyway?
You know, the thing I think I liked most about dragonfire is that it had that ‘classic’ rpg feel to it, the same way that Ultima or some of the others did.

You didn’t sacrifice quality just to make it look ‘3D’ish’ it also didn’t have that grainy look (that is so prevalent in today’s games, who knows why.)
You could probably just make another map for the thing and sell it again!

--
Confusion on the horizon!

- Bless: I think you're "blessed" when a mage cast a bless on you (in rpg). That means *higher* chance to attack succesfully, and higher chance to apply more damage. With spells, it's a different thing, without physical connection. Based on this, yes, I could make the bless to work with spells, too. I shouldn't have to! Because of the mage characters, they're the strongest ones!

Wait, so you mean that bless increases ‘to hit’ and ‘damage’ then?

I agree, btw, that it doesn’t have to raise the benefits of magic, I was just trying to clarify.

There are more players who finished the game only with a single mage/battlemage!!! They had a level 24 mage after the finish.
I have a saved game from the end, if you're interested!

Sweet! Well, let me see what my character looks like by then, I like some surprises
:tongue:

- Curse: you're right. This can be because of our English, and other players on other platforms didn't have a mood to mention this :p
Note: the text must be short enough for the spell descriptions. Without this, I may have to include the fixed one in the Communicator version only... (for example ppc has only 320x240 resolution)

Well, it’s not worth making the communicator version different until all the others are fixed. Let me know how many character spaces we have to write the descriptions in the other versions and we can try to make one for all of them.
! I still need you to clarify on the effect of curse though, and now on bless again.

--

First of all... pictures ;(
I don't have too much mood to work during this weekend :(
Maybe I'll have a new version days later.

Your bunny is absolutely gorgeous! Not a problem, my friend. Take all the time in the world.
take care, Louis

SirKline

19-04-2004, 07:46 AM

On SirKline�s idea: (autosave) It is a neat idea to be able to load from the auto-save position inside the game (or else you would have to quit and run the game again to do it), but I suggest you not allow us to save there. It would defeat the purpose of autosave. As it is, the 5th spot would be overwritten on exit anyway so it�s hardly a safe place to save a game.

Come to think of it, right now, AutoSave is only useful to get you into the game quicker. It�s not really a backup device. I think we need to re-think it�s purpose before we change anything else.

I just meant it as a possibility to load from the game menu, i never wanted to be able to save to it. Sometimes i did something stupid and i hardly save except for the autosave. And it would be nice just to load the autosave again, but if i quit then it will be overwritten.

SirKline: Maybe you could give the startitems a value of 1? So they could be sold but it would not make profit.
Stewe: - new items, gold=1: brilliant idea!!!

I really, strongly disagree with this one. It would create more confusion that it�s worth. Since we are constantly thinking about the novice player, this feature would really annoy them until they could figure out they had to go to the other shops. Either make the items non salable or don�t list them, selling them for less will just be really annoying for everyone.
Crap. Actually we are ignoring the easy way out. Just type a �� or an �x� in the price box. That should be easy enough to figure out and would not require any change big change in the programming. If you really want to get fancy with this (and still be lazy) you could re-order the items in the store view (only) so that you list the items the store wants to buy first, followed by all the others with the �-� or �x� in the price square. Everyone will get the clue that way. A �NS� for �No Sale� will probably be easy to guess too. But please don�t let us sell mega items for a gp by mistake!
You would have another problem with that too, the items would end up in the store inventory ;) I wonder what price they would take on then.

I think i might be misunderstood here. I was talking about the problem that the start weapons and armors had a value of 0. I was not talking about selling every thing in every shop. You would have to go to the weapon shop and armor shop to sell them there anyway. But at least you could sell them (and they could be vanished after that, nobody would buy their start things back anyway).

Greets
SirKline

Lipp

19-04-2004, 04:59 PM

Oops, forgot one:

The registration code did not stick on my program. Does the game save the reg. Information on exit? That could be the problem since mine always crashes on exit.

[]'s Louis

Lipp

19-04-2004, 05:29 PM

I just meant it as a possibility to load from the game menu, i never wanted to be able to save to it. Sometimes i did something stupid and i hardly save except for the autosave. And it would be nice just to load the autosave again, but if i quit then it will be overwritten.

Oops I forgot to quote Stewe. See below.

- Auto-save from the menu (load/save screen): yes, it's a good idea. I can put a 5th slot on the load/save screen.

From that I just wasn't sure if Redshift had your idea right so I was just clarifying just to be sure :)

I think i might be misunderstood here. I was talking about the problem that the start weapons and armors had a value of 0. I was not talking about selling every thing in every shop. You would have to go to the weapon shop and armor shop to sell them there anyway. But at least you could sell them (and they could be vanished after that, nobody would buy their start things back anyway).

Oops again. :P
I see what you mean now.
:) I think those values are actually bug wrong though. I mentioned in an earlier post that you occasionally find identical objects with different prices which doesn't seem right. As for starting weapons and armor, it would be nice if you could sell them and use part of the cash to pay for your new stuff. By the time you are second level 1gp won't really make a difference anyway. For 1gp I'd rather just carry them around as dead weight instead of finding rocks to drop on panels in the dungeons.
[]'s Louis

TheSpecialBoy

19-04-2004, 11:07 PM

redshift

19-04-2004, 11:44 PM

Hi!

Oh no! Another long Lipp message!!! :|

MOST IMPORTANT THING!!!
I have a new version!!! Not 100% done, but it requires 500 KB less execution memory. The new free execution memory requirement can be 2.9 MB (or 3 MB to be sure). And... the game isn't slower, I improved the new routines several times during the day. I can upload it tomorrow. Of course it contains several new features/developed suggestions. Not all of them! Sorry.

Now I try to provide answers... *huh*

Lipp:
- memory: I don't think the game has memory leaks... the main parts' source code is the same on pc/palm/ppc/symbian. Although I can imagine something: fragmentation... when large free memory blocks are going to be smaller and smaller over time. It's a high priority item for tomorrow.
- Eikon-listbox: it's strange... and it's not Legacy-specific thing, must be a background task. Because Legacy doesn't use *any* operating system controls, such as listbox. Idea: Task Manager has Eikon-listbox! I'll check it tomorrow, although I have never seen something like this on our device.
- items with 0 price: maybe we all give too much time for this small thing...:
- normal price for starting items: you could hire every character, get the items, and sell them
- price 1g: can be, I think it's good. But doesn't important
- price 0g: maybe it's good as it is. Logical: the starting equipment of the characters are low quality ones...
- quest items: it's not a huge problem! Because if you lose an important quest item, and can't find it, then you go back to that map (where you found it) after 5 days, and that map is reseted. All the monsters, all the items. This "lost quest item" problem almost never occurs, based on support emails.
- battery indicator: oops. There are several ways to check the battery status, I'll try to use a different method.
- I don't think I should allow changing weapons during combat... but you can equip a new quiver. In your situation, you can use a scroll, for example.
- Select attack target: will be done in one of the future versions. Now I don't want to touch that part of the game! Stability risk (would be a serious modification). Now: left player hits left monster...
- hp, sp regeneration: shouldn't be, because of the game's existing balance. With regeneration, the game would be easier!
- spellbook, change user: will be done in next version
- auto-slot: I think it's not so important... however loading the auto-save manually can be useful sometimes, I agree. Don't know... lower priority.
- the memory problem is solved, but means only -500 KB needed execution memory. I hope it's enough. Without slower speed!
- recharge, merge, picture...: future!
- the editor is still in beta-testing phase... I have less time for this, because of the Communicator version. And yes, they can sell the maps, but the price should be discussed with us (should, not must). And we don't want share. The base game and the expansion pack were made only with that editor. Our maps are protected, you can't modify them in the editor (can't save them). Without this, you could remove the protection...
- Expansion Pack: it's a standalone file, MissPack.pdb, which can be downloaded for the Communicator! But it's connected to the 3rd city, and requires level 15+ characters. (Tough!)
- Dragonfire: no, it's not the quality and size we want to release nowadays. Our games must be large, well-written, award-winner :p, and so on... Df should be much larger, we got many negative reports about the size (they were right!). And... the Df Communicator was our first game at all... now I have much more experience (which can be seen between Df and Legacy)
- I can't tell you number of characters... our raster fonts have variable character widths. And longer words can easily mess the planned view.

Thank you!
We're still very sad with my girlfriend :(

SirKline:
- auto-save and 0/1 problem: maybe they aren't too important... and maybe I won't have time for them, sorry. As you can see on our page, I said the Communicator version will be released until 15th April.

Lipp:
- regcode info: fixed in the new version
- normal price: as I have said... you could hire them all and get their equipment!

Stewe

redshift

19-04-2004, 11:47 PM

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We always forgetting our startup point. This game targets 9210i and 9500. Me personally did not found major bugs anymore. Just fine tuning issues that we can dispute and debate until summer (when new commi will be launched ;) ) let's do a recap of the open and unsolved issues coz honestly i am loosing you guys. :) i will wait for the low memory version of the game but until them i'll test him as it is. I tink redshift job is harder if we report each time minor icon and settings issues ... Or i might be wrong ;)

Well, you're right!!!
I'm really interested in these smaller suggestions, *every* of them can make the game a bit better. However, probably I don't have time for them all...
The game should be released asap, I have more and more emails because of the announced deadline 15th April.

Stewe

Lipp

20-04-2004, 05:49 AM

1gp items: SirKline/Stewe; Me:Ooooh ooh ow! (banging head on wall) hm. Er, would you believe it took me this long to understand the 1gp thing on items.. dang.. …(back to banging *ow.. * ..*..) Just forget what I said on the subject. Sorry you guys. ow.. XP

Eikon-listbox: yes, the only thing I am running in the background is task manager. Lets see how the new version handles it.

Stewe: I don't think I should allow changing weapons during combat... but you can equip a new quiver. In your situation, you can use a scroll, for example.

ok, granted that it’s very rare, but I was caught in a situation where I couldn’t re-equip, run away or cast spells. It’s one for the record.

Louis

Imran

20-04-2004, 08:26 AM

hello there, just downloaded the latest build LegacyComm4.zip as per stewes instruction via the email he sent.

A couple of observations.
Is it possible to use the command buttons on the right hand side of the screen to select the characters instead of 1/2/3/4. It just seems easier to me.

Also is it possible to use the menu functions such as Items/Spells/Quests/X-menu via the main screen instead of bringing up the properties of a character and then getting to these functions

I mean if I am in the middle of a game and I quickly want to exit or save the game I have to load the properites of a character then select the option I want so I press 1 then press X for menu then quit...or am I doing something wrong.

I am using a 9210i v6. After a reboot I have 3.78mb ram free, the game works fine no problems whatsoever with this amount of ram free. Even with desk/tel/messaging/contacts/extra loaded the game still works fine for me

So far the game has been rock solid but I have only played for about an hour :-)

EDIT
Is it possible or in the future to add notes to the map, so we know what bit is where and where to go for the next time...

Also can we delete the saved games from within the programme, for example when we go to load a game, can we have an option to delete a saved game aswell...

Imran

20-04-2004, 04:30 PM

I have completed all the quests and it is now asking me fora regcode?

I have sent you a pm redshift with my imei.

thanks :-)

Lipp

20-04-2004, 07:33 PM

Small misprint: just in case this wasn’t on purpose When we take on the bartender’s spider quest he tells us to look for a passage in the South East part of town. The passage is actually South West.

Bug: started a new adventure, (nothing running in background as far as I know, 3674k free, v4) just walking around the city, I got this crash: ncnlist; kern-exec; 3.

XP observation: I know this isn’t an error but it might cause some unnecessary grief.
When you are running an unregistered game and finally earn enough xp to pass level 6: Instead of your level just not going up, you are actually loosing the extra xp points that would push you to next lvl. It might be more attractive if we could stockpile the xp so that when we purchase the reg-code we could use the points to level.

Louis

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Why did Kamikaze pilots wear helmets?

redshift

20-04-2004, 10:46 PM

Hello!

Some answers, but then... then... a NEW VERSION!!! You'll like that!!!

Lipp: the Eikon thing is important... I have the Task Manager, too, but never crashes after exit from Legacy.

Imran:
- character selection: not sure... of course I could handle them, but the whole game is designed for keys only. I marked it with less priority, because it's a comfort thing, if I'm right.
- Spells,Quests with right buttons: it's for comfort, too... but not a bad idea! I would like to have a stable version first. In the new version, I have developed some comfort things, but they had luck. I was just there, in the source code.
- You can press X on the game screen, which takes you to the main menu! So: X-E-Enter-Enter and you're out.
- Cool you have so much memory... the Comm4 test version still required ~3.4 MB, but the new one needs ~2.8 :) But I set it to 3 MB, to be sure, for stability (Memory check at startup).
- Notes on map: yes, I have this in my todo list, for 1.06 version, which will be released for Palm, Ppc, Communicator, P800. Probably a month later.
- Why do you need to delete a saved game? They can be overwritten easily. For space? They aren't large, just ~50 KB (or ~80 KB with the Expansion Pack).
- I have sent you the code!

Lipp:
- Wow! That description was inserted later... because we got reports, when players can't find the passage. It'll be corrected for the next version (will be uploaded in an hour or two).
- Bug: I can't imagine it, really. Let's try the next version, more things changed.
- XP: you don't lose the Xp! I mean you shouldn't!!! Are you sure ?

Thank you for your help!

Stewe

redshift

20-04-2004, 11:54 PM

Hello!

Maybe I should upload the new version tomorrow. I have one technical problem now: the sound! It's not a new problem, please check this: if you wait for at least 3 secs anywhere, and then you're trying to make something that should we sound... sometimes the sound is incorrect/missing. Not sure why... maybe a sound hardware timeout.
I'll work on this problem this night, and tomorrow.

Stewe

Imran

21-04-2004, 07:36 AM

redshift

21-04-2004, 09:45 AM

Hello folks

Stewe, the reg code that you sent me via pm doesnt work :-( keeps saying invalid code...

The reason I suggested if we could delete saved games is purely from completeness, I agree that they take very little space, I have the game installed on my mmc so space is not that big an issue, just it makes the entire load/save bit of the game complete if you can delete a saved game aswell, although I would agree that this isnt really a high priority, i think it is more of a comfort thing, if you know what I mean

It's in my list now, but yes, with low priority. Can be a bit dangerous, when someone accidentally deletes a saved game.

Regcode: I have to create the regcode from the imei string: "xxxxxx-xx-xxxxxx-x",
but I forgot to insert "-" into your imei. As you see on the reg screen, the game uses the full form with "-", because Handango uses the same, and the other distributors, too. I have to remember: 6-2-6-1, just like in tennis.

Stewe

Imran

21-04-2004, 09:54 AM

thank you, the code works now :D

now, onto more testing!

EDIT
Actually Im not sure...

After registering, i exit the game and re-load it. On the main screen it says again please register, load a game and it give me an error message saying please register to get to lvl 7, go back to main screen and again it says please register, this is AFTER I have entered the new code you gave me...

It almost seems that it doesnt remember the fact that the game has been registered...

Imran

21-04-2004, 02:00 PM

can someone explain to me what the significance of the ac stuff is with regards to items, some have ac:1 some have ac:3 and some ac:0 What does it all mean?

Also, everytime I try to play on the second town and further, for example in Beraquel Forest or Giant cave, the game drops me back to the town of decrantes with the following message

Registration error: you shouldnt be there.

In order to get it working I enter the code again and then it lets me play.

SirKline

21-04-2004, 06:00 PM

can someone explain to me what the significance of the ac stuff is with regards to items, some have ac:1 some have ac:3 and some ac:0 What does it all mean?

AC is the defense bonus (Armour Class) of an item
Also, everytime I try to play on the second town and further, for example in Beraquel Forest or Giant cave, the game drops me back to the town of decrantes with the following message

Registration error: you shouldnt be there.

In order to get it working I enter the code again and then it lets me play.

Jep, confirmed bug. Registry information does not get saved yet. However you can use this bug for you advantage. Its a quick way to get back to town :)

Greets
SirKline

Lipp

21-04-2004, 09:04 PM

Extra xp erased? NO! My mistake! I was calculating wrong, big oops again. X-P

Stewe: You can press X on the game screen, which takes you to the main menu!
Really? This doesn’t work for me.

notes on map & menu shortcuts sweet!

…command buttons on the right hand side of the screen to select the characters
I personally wouldn’t like using the command buttons for a common task. I would have to change the way I hold the device while playing to use them.

AC defensive bonus Yes, some items make a difference, some don’t (ac:0) why it shows is anyone’s guess. These points accumulate and add to the dexterity bonus, etc. The higher the number the more protected you are against physical attacks.

Card game levels?: Hm. Just noticed this, is there any way we can tell what our level or xp at this is or do we just level when we win against a higher level player?

Louis

Question to all: I know this isn’t really the right place for it but all the sources seem to contradict themselves. Do any of you have memory cards greater than 128megs? I really want to find out if it’s really safe to use a larger card and up to what size. 128megs is already feeling cramped and Stacker is way too slow :(

redshift

21-04-2004, 11:38 PM

Hello!

I have the new version now! Will be uploaded (really) in half an hour!

Now the answers...

- regcode: please check this with the new version... there was a bug with storing the registration key you entered. It's ok now at me, tried many times.
- AC: Sirkline and Lipp are right!
- "you shouldn't be there": it's a kind of protection... as you know, the game blocks you at the teleporter, after killing N'Gora. But! What if someone doesn't buy the game, but gets a saved game from the 2nd city? That's why the game checks the registered state sometimes, and teleports you back to the first city. It won't happen when the game can store the registration code correctly.
- X from game screen: in the new one!
- Card game levels: it's a kind of surprise, we never published this :p Probably nobody expects new features from the card game in the 2nd town.
But! In the 3rd town, you can reach the 3rd level in card game... that means 80hp. And the bet will be 1000 gold.

Now: compile, copy to device, quick tests, upload! I'll be back :cool:

Stewe

redshift

22-04-2004, 12:04 AM

DONE.

http://www.redshift.hu/stewe/LegacyComm5.zip

Changes:
- up to 3 MB used execution memory. For me, once happened when the game required a little more than 3 MB (3.05). The game checks the memory at startup.
- New displaying method - sometimes I feel the 1st city looks better (specially the walls, from a distance... 2,3 ?).
- the install and the installed game size is bigger now... that's because the standalone wav files, in 16 bit sound, for stability (Sound subdirectory in Legacy installation directory)
- Faster save game!!!
- Saves correctly the registration info
- updated Help for Communicator... probably needs checking! English/Logical.
- Help screen - Return button - centered
- Removed battery indicator - I'm searching for methods on the net, but it seems nobody knows how to read the battery status from the device.
- Fixed character duplication bug in taverns/hire
- Taverns/hire: "press h to know more" -> "h" key selects the first character.
- 2nd city, tavern - fixed animation
- fixed "bless" description
- characters in the 2nd line can attack when others in the 1st line are dead.
- X key on the game screen

STILL PROBLEM:
- charger/other events while playing: they're ok on our device... the game received back the focus after a while, without crash/freeze. And on your device ?
- sound: as I have said, sometimes the sound is incorrect if you wait for at least 3 seconds. Now I included a 0.2 sec silence (a delay) before playing a new sound, but if the last one was more than 3 seconds ago.
- Memory errors/crashes/freezes: maybe because of the memory. What about with the new version?
- Memory fragmentation, after a longer playing period (*maybe* this one is solved now, because of the less memory needed)
- Accept regcode calculated without "-"

Thank you for your help!!!

Stewe

Arjen

22-04-2004, 12:22 AM

Hi Stewe

Thanks for the latest version of Legacy. I really love RPG's, but until now I wasn't able to play the game much. After a clean boot with nothing else running I only had 3.05M free. While this was enough to get the game started an explore the forest and kill off some spiders, every time I left the forest, the game loaded a new screen and got stuck in 'out of memory' errors.

I will install the game today and play some with it over the weekend and get back with my findings on monday. If I still find memory problems, I'll give a detailed description of my machine, running processes and open files.

Thanks for making this great game available for the Communicator.

Best regards

Arjen

redshift

22-04-2004, 12:26 AM

Thank you for your help!!!

For the memory: you can use the free utility, called Switcher (http://www.redshift.hu/stewe/Switcher.sis) to clean up the execution memory, anytime. Probably you have more background tasks (and they're starting automatically).

Regards,
Stewe

Arjen

22-04-2004, 12:30 AM

[Question to all: I know this isn’t really the right place for it but all the sources seem to contradict themselves. Do any of you have memory cards greater than 128megs? I really want to find out if it’s really safe to use a larger card and up to what size. 128megs is already feeling cramped and Stacker is way too slow :(

As far as I know the Communicator can handle up to 160MB. For some types of digital camera's this kind of MMC was included but you cannot buy them separately. I also heard of people succesfully formatting a 256MB card with 160MB only (wasting almost 100MB) and having it work on the communicator. There's an entire thread about this topic in the Cyberlie forum: http://www.cyberlie.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=327&highlight=160

Arjen

22-04-2004, 12:42 AM

For the memory: you can use the free utility, called Switcher (http://www.redshift.hu/stewe/Switcher.sis) to clean up the execution memory, anytime. Probably you have more background tasks (and they're starting automatically).

I already tried to reduce a lot of memory by not running anything else and removing all but one of the auto startup programs. The only resident program now running is AppMan. I even set a hotkey for starting Legacy so I wouldn't have to open the Extra's menu.

AppMan also has a list for running processes and open files and I just found out that my index file for messages is always open as well (even without the Message application running). This file is big, so I think I'll need to clean up my messages. I'll let you know what impact this has on free memory.

Best regards

Arjen

redshift

22-04-2004, 12:52 AM

That index can be the problem... on our device, the free execution memory is around 3.7 MB, with Task Manager.

Stewe

Arjen

22-04-2004, 01:10 AM

I'm out of the woods (literally). Thanks Stewe, now I can really play this game even on my commy with only 3 MB operating memory.

My wife is not going to be happy with this :D

redshift

22-04-2004, 01:16 AM

coooool!!!
I have new ideas, how to reduce the needed memory, but they all lead to slower game. I'm thinking about this!

Regards,
Stewe

Arjen

22-04-2004, 01:27 AM

The game is perfect now as it is. Even on a machine with barely 3MB of operating memory it works. I'll try and start some small apps and run it again and see what the minimum amount of memory is the new version of Legacy needs.

Arjen

22-04-2004, 01:32 AM

2.9MB, still working.

P.S. Stewe could you check your PM?

Arjen

22-04-2004, 01:34 AM

Hey, you built in some memory check. Cannot start the app if memory is below 2.9 MB. Good idea, but now it's impossible to test whether it will work on 2.8 or 2.7 MB. Is there a way to bypass the check?

redshift

22-04-2004, 01:42 AM

Hello!

Just answered for your mail...
2.9 - I could remove the check, but I shouldn't... I'm sure the game can start and run with 2.9, 2.8, 2.7. But later, based on my memory tests, the game can eat sometimes more memory than the initial amount. For example: if you're in a tavern, then additional 90KB is needed (tavern inner picture). If you're in a shop, then I have to load the item pictures, but clear them when you exit. And so on... several combinations, I tested the worst cases.
Another thing: Every map needs different amount of memory, based on the used map objects... the 1st city is a huge one, for example (good testing!). The forests usually need less (no walls, less number of object types, ...).

Stewe

Imran

22-04-2004, 08:14 AM

I noticed that in the new version (the latest) the text seems to be corrupt/really pixelated, it doesnt seem to be as sharp as in the previous versions. On the main screen text is fine, but in attributes/taverns the text is bad and hard to read...
UPDATE
After a reboot it seems to be fine

Also
In my party I have a cleric who can heal. When I select him and heal, I cannot then cancel the request. What I mean is one time I selected the cleric selected heal then realized that all my party members were at full health, so I didnt need to heal but I couldnt cancel it so I was forced to cast heal on a member even though they had full heath.

Not sure if this is intended, now when playing a game, and if I plug in the charger, I get no notification that it is charging, normally we get a picture saying charging on the pda side, it does charge the phone just no notification comes up.
UPDATE.
Actually you do get a notification, just it isnt instant.

Imran

22-04-2004, 12:40 PM

SirKline

22-04-2004, 02:33 PM

Hi Stewe,

the new version is very good. However in the main menu, i found a problem:

Start new game and Save Game both have S as a shortcut. (?)

Maybe you should change that.

Greets SirKline

Lipp

22-04-2004, 05:21 PM

Hi Stewe,

the new version is very good. However in the main menu, i found a problem:

Start new game and Save Game both have S as a shortcut. (?)

Maybe you should change that.

Greets SirKline

I'm glad you mentioned it because this is something that has really been annoying me for some time. I didn't say anything because I thought we were going to get a quicksave key combination in the adventure screen. I would suggest replacing the shortcut in 'Start New Game' from 'S' to 'N' (new). You can still get to save by pressing 's' twice, as it is, but how often do you start a new game? Save should have priority. It takes 6 button presses to save the game right now and anything that can be done to cut back that number is a plus.

Louis

Lipp

22-04-2004, 06:15 PM

Right folks, Im stuck.

I need to get some of the coins in order to complete the coins quest (town2). I have ogre coin, barbar coin and city coin. I can't find the amazon coin and the tower coin. help

I am in tower lvl1, and stuck at the holes in the ground section, where there are about 5 holes in a row in a room and 4 switches on the sides of the room, i have no idea on how to get to the two item inside the holes bit.

Hi Imran,
try this: http://www.hyperflame.com/toby/legframeset.html

It has lots of info but isn't by any means complete. If you solve the 4 switches thing for example you may want to submit it (and let me know :) ). At least they are good enough to let us know to give up on some of Stewe's crackpot ;) puzzles that really make us hate him. Like doors that will never open, the object we can never use, etc. :D

Louis

TheSpecialBoy

22-04-2004, 06:21 PM

Wirelessly posted (Nokia6600/1.0 (3.42.1) SymbianOS/7.0s Series60/2.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.0)

I got an error like CMdaController reason 6. I do not know the reason. Another thing: can we set up sound up and down on some different keys. I got use to browse with ctrl pressed and since latest 2 versions this is not possible and i reduce or increase the sound by mistake. What do you think ?

Lipp

22-04-2004, 06:55 PM

Hi Stewe,

I know I’m being slow about it but I’m almost done with the manual. If ..only… I could.. escape… girl..friend…’s.. power ray…of. guilt..! :D
Hope to finish by tomorrow at the latest.

Feedback
V.5

This memory reduction really made a huge difference. Unlike before, I can now use my communicator and still be able to play this game in the background.

Love the new loading/saving speed!

Haven’t done any exhaustive tests but seems to work like a charm!

Sound works a lot better now. I can hear a little crackling but that’s minor. Volume controls in Action Screen finally work.

I can finally exit without crashing.

Now that sounds are separate is there any chance of getting some of the lost sounds back in a future release?

Liked the snoring sound in the inn, added a nice touch. Fade seems to work better and faster.

Memory fragmentation: I haven’t gotten any errors on memory yet.

Notifications: (other than already reported)
1) I was able to get an alarm notification without crash, I couldn’t see the ‘turn off alarm’ label that usually sits next to the bottom function button though, but it worked fine as far as I could tell. Button responded even if the text was hidden.

Silly Nitpicking: (non essential)

Here’s a new one: I got my knight to ‘L’earn a spell from a book that said he could not learn. I got the message: "the firewall spell has been copied to the spellbook of lord bregennan". Of course it didn’t show up in the book since that category was not permitted for him but the book was wasted anyway.

Why does every item we highlight have "Pack:" in front of it, even if we are wearing it.

Highlander armor: I have the highlander Sierenna in my party, shouldn’t she be able to use heavy armor as well? She’s the strongest character in the party but I still get the msg "it would be a bit heavy for Sierenna".

I can’t tell what effect using non-recommended items has on characters.

Take care, Louis

LAuRA

22-04-2004, 07:19 PM

Just installed the new version and wohooo, no more memory problems :) Now I can't blame the crashes for my slow progress ;)

redshift

22-04-2004, 11:28 PM

Hello!

Answers...

Imran:
- characters: maybe your gamma setting, or device brightness ? probably the 2nd one, because the gamma setting should be the same. I think a reboot resets the device brightness...
- heal spell: I partially agree... a) doesn't mean too much sp b) wouldn't be logical to support "cancel" for the heal spell only. c) we got more emails because of this problem from players (other platforms, palm/ppc). What do you think?
- charger: sometimes the game does cpu-extensive operations... preparing sound, preparing game picture, loading pictures, and so on. The charger/other messages are simple messages, in the message queue of the operating system... and it can be handled asap.
- game help: personally I don't know the answers, really... Sylon designed these maps. Please check the hints/tips page, or forums on www.cliesource.com. I can't reach Sylon now... but he usually checks cliesource forums.

SirKline:
- "N" as Start New Game: ok, will be in the next version

Lipp:
- final maps... khhmm they're mine! :cool: from my devious mind. Hard tricks/secrets, probably you'll need to use the hints/tips page often. These maps contain some (smaller) issues, but that's because of the complexity. A complex system always contains mistakes. Although many players finished the game already!

SpecialBoy:
- sound: you're right... I thought ctrl/up-down would have problems. Maybe I could modify the shortcuts, or remove the ctrl/up-down from the game screen (and support only ctrl-s to mute).

Lipp:
- help text: Thank you! Please don't forget, the text mustn't be longer than the original. The current text already has a length issue.
- little crackling sound: as I have said, the sound hardware goes to sleep after ~3 seconds inactivity. If I wake it up with a normal sound, then sometimes the beginning of that sound is skipped. So... I included a dummy sound resource, 0.2 second silence, which turns on the sound hardware... this one generates the crackling. I'm thinking about it.
- lost sounds: the game would need 200 KB more memory... so the memory improvements wouldn't mean anything. The sounds must be loaded... if I load them run-time, then they would be *very* slow (seconds delay - sometimes)
- Learn spell: it's a bug! With the L key, I called the direct "learn spell" routine, instead of the checking one. Thanks! (Next version)
- Pack: yeah! I can change it to "Wearing:" or "Wielding" when it's needed. Next version.
- it would be heavy: a small mistake. The right string in this situation: "she couldn't use it effectively", since Highlanders aren't trained to wear heavy armors, by design.

Laura:
Good luck in the game! I hope you can't blame the crashes!!! Would be better: it's stable, just I didn't have too much time for the game...

Thank you for your help!

Regards,
Stewe

Imran

23-04-2004, 08:14 AM

Im not sure of this has been asked before but is it possible to highlight or make items on the floor blinking or a duifferent colour so we can see them easier, because sometimes it can be hard to see them and you can miss them. I missed the letter for a quest in town 2 and searched for about half an hour untill I realised where it was droped, I couldnt see it clearly.

redshift

23-04-2004, 10:19 AM

Ok! I didn't forget it!
Will be done in the next version.
Because of drawing limitations, I'm not sure I can make the blinking... but I'll find a solution today.

Stewe

Imran

23-04-2004, 11:38 AM

guys, i seriously need some help plssss

I been to http://www.hyperflame.com/toby/legframeset.html and http://www.cliesource.com but still need shelp *sob*

I cant find a coin, it is supposed to be in the forest, beraquel forest, but I cant find it!!!! grrrrr I have city coin, barbar coin and ogre coin help!!!!!!!

AND

I have been to tower lvl1, killed both guys in the rooms that have the dissapearing hole, got both keys, and STILL cant get through the door near the entrance, AND I cant find the coin in the tower!!!!

If someone doesnt help me Im gonna kill my self! This game is soooooo addictive DAMN u redshift for making such a addictive and brilliant game!!!

Oh, and stewe, my wife says if she ever sees you she will kill you, she doesnt like me playing on the game ALL the time lol

redshift

23-04-2004, 11:47 AM

I have forwarded your question to Sylon, only he knows the exact answers. I hope he'll send me the answers soon!
Please tell your wife we apologize for this game :dong:

Stewe

Imran

23-04-2004, 12:01 PM

Thank you Stewe :-)

I can relax now.
Dont worry about the wife lol Im trying to get her to play the game aswell now, and she has no idea lol women :-)

redshift

23-04-2004, 12:12 PM

I tried the same with my girlfriend, she doesn't want to play, too :wink:
If Sylon won't answer within hours, then I can search the maps (manually) for the solution. It won't be easy, I don't know exactly what should I find.

Stewe

LAuRA

23-04-2004, 12:35 PM

Us wives... we can be a pain... LOL Maybe I should apologize on behalf of all women :D But I have a husband who doesn't want to play, so go figure... :rolleyes:

redshift

23-04-2004, 12:53 PM

Well, there was a period in the past, when my girlfriend always asked devices to play with... palms, pocket pcs, even the communicator. That was terrible :o I didn't know when can get back the devices to work on !!! :dontknow:

Stewe

redshift

23-04-2004, 01:45 PM

Answer from Sylon!

1st: next time -> forum :mad:
2nd:
The five coins are:
city coin (beraquel, south-west corner)
barbar coin (giant cave, south-west corner)
amazon coin (beraquel forest, north-east corner)
tower coin (tower level 1, east hall)
ogre coin (ogre forest, north part)

Tower level 1: push the secret buttons in the ice and fire guardian rooms
(these buttons remove the non-blinking hole in the other room).

Stewe

Imran

23-04-2004, 01:53 PM

It won't be easy, I don't know exactly what should I find.

Stewe

I need help with finding the last two coins, the one from the tower and the one from the forest. I have the city coin, the barbar coin and ogre coin.

And

I am in the tower lvl1, I have killed the two mages/sorceres inside the two rooms that you reach via the teleporters, I have the two green small keys, but I cant get to the door which is next to the entrance when you enter the tower right at the start.

redshift

23-04-2004, 02:06 PM

Tower: do you mean the blinking/not blinking holes problem? If yes, then check the walls, one of them has a different color (secret button!).
The coin may be beyond the door ?!

Amazon coin: north-east corner of the forest, at the ground.

Stewe

TheSpecialBoy

23-04-2004, 07:17 PM

Wirelessly posted (Nokia6600/1.0 (3.42.1) SymbianOS/7.0s Series60/2.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.0)

Come on guys. Let's focus on game :) (like i forgot the issues i had finding solutions). Is the game ok for all of us ? Excepting the issue i had ... The hand is meat and clear. Now we can focus on improvements, right?

Lipp

24-04-2004, 05:46 PM

Imran: Dont worry about the wife lol Im trying to get her to play the game as well now, and she has no idea lol women :-)

Guess you can say goodbye to your communicator if she does :)
I made the mistake of showing my gf an online rpg, she took away my work computer for months!

Lipp

24-04-2004, 05:54 PM

Bug Report 8
v.5

Funny, I didn’t get any errors the first day but..
The following crashes have occured:

1) Hanged on exit (blank screen with sidebar): when I pressed a key:
Crash: TaskMan; E32User-Cbase; 21 (I had over 3300k free.)

2) Sound Crash; Cdmada controller; 6 - (I had 3388k free)

3) Out of memory msg: just by after walking around after a long time.

--
Suggestions: (v.low priority) you may want to consider making a flag for unique items. I’m guessing you don’t always want players to be able to get Holy Hand Grenade Launchers every 7 days. Unique items can dissapear with a warning when you pick them up, already having one in hands.

--

heal spell: I partially agree... a) doesn't mean too much sp b) wouldn't be logical to support "cancel" for the heal spell only. c) we got more emails because of this problem from players (other platforms, palm/ppc). What do you think?

I guess that once you invoke divine or arcane powers you can’t just say, oops* on second thought.. . I say it’s ok to botch spells so you don’t throw fireballs around the room, but you already have expended the spell points when you cast it.

cheers, Louis

redshift

24-04-2004, 10:03 PM

Hello!

Answers...

- SpecialBoy: Now I'm not sure I can make all the improvements... because: I developed changing the active character when the spellbook is opened. That wasn't a wise decision :( That was many hours work, the spelling architecture is complex, and the result was instability. I shouldn't modify the inner structure, that would mean long testing period. The planned release is next Friday! But I can store the requirements (the skipped ones), and develop them later, for 1.06.

- Lipp:
- gf: we have to learn from our mistakes. When you try an online rpg, and she is watching it, there'll be a question: what's that?
You *have* to say: "nothing"! Short, categorical word :redface:
My gf always asks my laptop for a "short surfing", not longer than an hour. 3 hours later I have to ask: finished?
- Taskman: I really can't do anything with this... do you have the latest version? I *never* have a crash at exit.
- Sound crash: do you remember what was the last thing you did, and on which screen?
- Out of memory: strange. I'll run long tests on monday, tuesday. Maybe the memory fragmentation, again. What was the last screen? Simply walking, or entering inn, shop, inventory ?
- Unique items: the 7 days refresh is by design, and for help. If a player lose a quest item, then he/she needs to wait for 7 days (and get it again).
- canceling: the lack of this feature can be annoying sometimes, I'm sure. This is the part that I don't want to modify! Spellcasting is too complex in the game, I will have to rewrite a lot of code later. So: next version, 1.06.

Thank you for your help!

Stewe

LAuRA

25-04-2004, 07:00 AM

I haven't had memory crashes with the latest version so I'm happy :)

Have you tested installing with the PC Suite btw? I have tried a couple of times and the install progresses normally until the very end (95% done or something) but then it gives an error notice 'device has been disconnected' (although it has not) and stops. Happened both with the earlier versions and the latest. This is not a major problem - I don't know how many people even use the PC Suite for installing apps because the sis-files can be uploaded to the communicator and the installing works fine in there - just thought I'd share :)

redshift

25-04-2004, 01:51 PM

Cool!
Although I think I have to deeply test the game with very long playing sessions.
Lipp, maybe your device has very small issues, let's see the Task Manager. Please check the latest version, *maybe* it's Task Manager's bad.

Installation: it happened for me, sometimes (rarely). Do you have the latest PC suite? For example now I use the PC Suite for 9210i, however we have a simple 9210 device. The 9210i PC Suite is more stable.
Maybe the installation sis file is a large one. I'm sure the Legacy.sis is correct, I can't make any mistakes :)
The "disconnected" problem can be because of the long copying period.

Stewe

LAuRA

25-04-2004, 06:56 PM

Lipp

25-04-2004, 10:58 PM

Bug: (save/load menu) west grendelmore takes up two lines so the text gets garbled with date & time.

gf: we have to learn from our mistakes. When you try an online rpg, and she is watching it, there'll be a question: what's that?
You *have* to say: "nothing"! Short, categorical word

We have to learn how Laura did it! Whatever it was, it’s strong enough for a guy but meant for a woman :D (just kidding! anyone remember that comercial?)

Taskman: I really can't do anything with this... do you have the latest version? I *never* have a crash at exit.

If no one else is having this problem then by all means, leave it alone. I’m running the newest version of both taskmanager and legacy. Psiloc software seems to be particularly stinky to me. I tried installing their shareware version of Extended Messaging once and that caused me a lot of errors.

I don’t doubt that there might be something different about my device even though it is new, the portuguese rom perhaps? Well, I don’t know what it could be. I might have to re-format my device to find out unless anyone has any suggestions.

Most of the last defects I reported happened after several hours of continuous gameplay. Sometimes shutting the communicator and opening it later without quitting the game. That is how I usually play this game.
On the other hand, hanging up on exit is something that almost always happens. It won’t always crash though. Sometimes it just hangs until I press the desktop key (or others?) then it revives. If I press taskman hotkey it almost always does crash.

Sound crash: do you remember what was the last thing you did, and on which screen?

I think it was when I pressed ‘Play cards’ at the inn. But it only happened that one time since I downloaded the new version.

Out of memory: strange. I'll run long tests on monday, tuesday. Maybe the memory fragmentation, again. What was the last screen? Simply walking, or entering inn, shop, inventory ?

It was just walking around in the city. As I said, all of these happened after several hours of play. It only happened once as well.

- Unique items: the 7 days refresh is by design, and for help. If a player lose a quest item, then he/she needs to wait for 7 days (and get it again).

Since we are on the subject, here’s a thought.

You remember how we were talking about how it’s not important to make it hard to drop or sell quest items because you said they would reset after a week? Well, you might be unable to get certain items like the "Mystic Sting" daggers or certain keys since you have to talk to people who don’t reset again. I didn’t try dropping anything before I finished the quest though to see if I could get them again.

redshift

25-04-2004, 11:43 PM

I have the PC Suite for the 9210i Communicator v.2.11 (just like you Stewe even though I only have a 9210 device). I'm sure you can't make mistakes ;) the disconnection issue is probably due to the large file because the copying period is really long. Not a problem really.

I had a normal 9210 Suite before, and it wasn't stable. The 9210i one is stable, I think. But, this "disconnected" thing happens sometimes. Not just when copying, but when "installing". A bit annoying, because you have to start the copy again.

Stewe

redshift

25-04-2004, 11:57 PM

Lipp, I try to answer without quote :o

- save/load, west grendel: ok, stored. I'll increase the display width of the game slots.
- gf: I'm lucky, she don't play with pda games nowadays...
- Taskman: maybe it doesn't like your localized opsystem... it's a real problem, because so many users have their communicators localized.
- sound crash: I'll check this tomorrow
- memory: too. the problem is: if I play with the game for several hours, and a crash happens, then I can't modify the code & run a quick test again... I can't give too much chance to myself to find this problem :bawling:
- Quest items: you can get most of the quest items again... Mystic Sting from Morah is special... this small world was created by me.
Hint (for downloaded maps):
- play with the world
- save the game, quit
- delete morah.pdb
- start Legacy, load game
- save game, quit
- install morah.pdb again
- you can enter it again
With this process, the data about Morah.pdb is cleared from your saved game!
So... Sylon designed the base world to have the quest items on the floor, or in monsters' packs. That's why you can get those items again.
Of course there are exceptions, but not so many (we didn't have several issues about it!)

Thank you for your help!
I'll be back tomorrow (almost exactly 24 hours later), with a new version.

Stewe

Arjen

26-04-2004, 12:46 AM

- memory: too. the problem is: if I play with the game for several hours, and a crash happens, then I can't modify the code & run a quick test again... I can't give too much chance to myself to find this problem :bawling:

Hi Stewe

I've been playing Legacy over the weekend (even managed to get my wife interested, so now there are two beta-testers on the same machine - she uses save game slot 1 and 2, I use 3 and 4 :D). Boy, this game sure is addictive. I almost spent every free minute playing it :top:

We found some memory problems as well, particularly if you play the game in the inn (at the end of the game after playing it a couple of times I get out of memory errors and eventually Legacy crashes).

I also noticed the double S shortcut in the main menu. There's also a double R shortcut in the same menu (Restore Game and Register(ed)).

There's a cheat to get more money by playing the game in the inn a lot. If you win, you save the game, if you lose, you restore the previous one. It takes some time, but will get you a lot of money to buy good weapons, armory, potions etc. The strange thing (bug?) is that playing the game does not advance the time in the game at all. You can play the game for hours, build up a couple thousand gold coins and the game time will still be the same). Maybe it's a good idea to build in that playing the card game will take 15 minutes or so. This way it's not that attractive to play it too much.

One feature I'd like to see is the ability to choose your initial character (male/female, adventurer/mage/knight etc) when you start a new game.

No more bugs found, it's very stable, apart from the occasional memory error, but when you save your game a lot, that no big deal.

Thanks for this great game.

redshift

26-04-2004, 01:50 AM

Hi Stewe
I've been playing Legacy over the weekend (even managed to get my wife interested, so now there are two beta-testers on the same machine - she uses save game slot 1 and 2, I use 3 and 4 :D). Boy, this game sure is addictive. I almost spent every free minute playing it :top:

Thank you :)
I'm really happy because you like the game!

We found some memory problems as well, particularly if you play the game in the inn (at the end of the game after playing it a couple of times I get out of memory errors and eventually Legacy crashes).

Well, it's an important info! Now it seems something is buggy around the card game. I'll check it deeply tomorrow.

I also noticed the double S shortcut in the main menu. There's also a double R shortcut in the same menu (Restore Game and Register(ed)).

Hmm... (btw you mean Resume Game, doesn't matter)
I can change the "Resume Game" to "Continue Game". The first char should be the hotkey... I have checked when the hotkey isn't the first characters, it was annoying.

There's a cheat to get more money by playing the game in the inn a lot. If you win, you save the game, if you lose, you restore the previous one. It takes some time, but will get you a lot of money to buy good weapons, armory, potions etc. The strange thing (bug?) is that playing the game does not advance the time in the game at all. You can play the game for hours, build up a couple thousand gold coins and the game time will still be the same). Maybe it's a good idea to build in that playing the card game will take 15 minutes or so. This way it's not that attractive to play it too much.

You're right, but it's by design. If you like to play with the card game - do it. Of course you can have much money from that... the same happens when you clear a map, sleep for 7 days, and clear that map again. These are cheats (more in the game). I don't think we should deny them - some people like finding and using these cheats, and the goal is when players like the game :)
Time - I can see one technical issue: the day/night change. The card game can't load the correct day/night pictures/filters (if you sleep, sometimes you can see the loading area). Maybe I can increase the time when you exit the card game.

One feature I'd like to see is the ability to choose your initial character (male/female, adventurer/mage/knight etc) when you start a new game.

Of course we received this several times...
It's scheduled to 1.06, as well as (just ideas, plans): uploading a picture of yours, roll attribute values, and so on.
This would be a "serious" modification now, in 1.05

No more bugs found, it's very stable, apart from the occasional memory error, but when you save your game a lot, that no big deal.

Do you have the crash other than during the card game?
Lipp had a crash when he was walking in he city... that's sad, it can be *anything*. A small memory error (when I delete something that was deleted already, and so on), a chunk error (when I need continuous 50KB memory, you have much more overall free memory, just in small pieces) -> fragmentation.
It's the hardest thing to solve.

Thanks for this great game.

I have to thank you for your help!!! So: THANK YOU!
I'll be back tomorrow, after a long test period.

Regards,
Stewe

Arjen

26-04-2004, 03:11 AM

Do you have the crash other than during the card game?
Lipp had a crash when he was walking in he city... that's sad, it can be *anything*.

Nope, only when exiting the game play. Sometimes I can see bits and pieces of the inn showing up and then it's 'out of memory'.

BTW Don't change anything to the time when people are playing the game. Some users of this particular cheat will kill me for suggesting this. I'm already sorry I mentioned it. :redface:

Two more small cosmetic things:
- The entire screen flashes white after drawing the redshift logo. After the white flash the redshift logo is in red. Is this white flashing intentional?
- The 'starting lecacy' white screen at the beginning: If something changes on the screen below that it will show on top of that screen (for example, mobile phone reception or time change)

Best regards
Arjen

Lipp

26-04-2004, 05:57 AM

Do you have the crash other than during the card game?
Lipp had a crash when he was walking in he city... that's sad, it can be *anything*. A small memory error (when I delete something that was deleted already, and so on), a chunk error (when I need continuous 50KB memory, you have much more overall free memory, just in small pieces) -> fragmentation.
It's the hardest thing to solve.

Well, might be my localized rom. What the hey.. had to be portuguese.. lol!
It happened to me again just now. After about 3 hours of gameplay or so, In the swamp, fighting a zombie (for the 95th time), I opened my inventory and Crash:
Legacy; CMdaController;6
and it quit to desktop.

Tavern nitpick: (text overlap error) when in a tavern with fireplace on left side, and you get the message "you can't bet because you have no money, etc.", the text box conflicts with the fireplace image.

Have a good weekend all!
Louis

Cooli

26-04-2004, 01:15 PM

Hi Stewe and other legacy folks.

So with the latest version, from the beginning to N'Gora I haven't found anything to report or complain about, the game is

GREAT, thanks :-)

The sole real comment I have so far is rather about the fight principles in the game: it is too easy and not fair (for

enemies;) to be able to drink mana/healing potions as well as changing weapons/items/armors during a fight without loosing the

action turn of the character. I mean, considering that casting a healing spell takes one turn, it should also take one turn to

drink something or change a weapon. This would make fights a bit more interesting with more strategy into them.

One minor other good addition to my opinion would be to be able to wait for an enemy to come in front of you, instead of most

of the time to have to go forward to meet it and thus giving it the first fight turn. Something like having a "End of turn"

option before the fight starts when you have an enemy in your line of vision.

Many thanks for this game anyway,
Cooli.

Imran

26-04-2004, 02:35 PM

A bug?

I get this every so often, if I restart the commy, then load the game straight away with nothing loaded, the text goes corrupt, I have attached a screenshot so you can see what I mean. If I quit the game and re-load it then it works fine.

Running a 9210i v6, with version 4 of the test build.

Imran

26-04-2004, 03:15 PM

Another screenshot.

Lipp

26-04-2004, 05:09 PM

Another screenshot.

Hey Imran, How do you take screen shots?

Btw, I really liked the idea of being able to pass the turn when you can see the enemy but before being engaged in combat. That's what was missing! :)

Imran

26-04-2004, 06:32 PM

Hey Imran, How do you take screen shots?

When you are in the game, press chr+ctrl+shift+s, you then get a box up saying where do u want to save the screenshot :-)

redshift

26-04-2004, 11:47 PM

Hello!

Answers, before the new version! (lot of changes)

TheBruce:
- Good news: I found a small memory issue in the card game, and I take apart the large picture in the tavern. The new version *must* be more stable.
- Time in card game: would be harder than the worth, I have checked the code.
- Redshift logo, white flash: by design. Yea, more people asked it in the last few months, on all platforms!
- Starting Legacy: fixed in the new version

Lipp:
- CMdaController crash: it's a good news!!! MDA means multimedia. Tomorrow I will re-check the whole sound system. The harder thing: normal crash, without "CMda..." title.
- Fireplace, left side, overlap: it's in my list now.

Cooli:
Hello, Olivier! :)
I thought I'm crazy, because I remember these words :) Yes, and email from you.
- easy: that's because of many, non-professional rpg players. We felt we have to do this. The Expansion Pack is *much* harder! We plan the easy/advanced methods later, in a new game version. In the advanced mode, there can many limitations (drinking, items, less hp, sp, tough monsters, ...).
- monsters: I usually cast a spell, and then I press "end of turn".

Imran:
It's interesting, but I like this! Not because it happens, but the same happened earlier in the Palm and ppc versions. That means the goal: 99% same source code, shared features/errors. Easier to solve. Tomorrow: I'll solve it, I promise.

Lipp:
- "end of turn" when you can see a monster: architecture problems... when a turn starts, the whole game enters a new execution mode. I can't end the turn before it actually starts. I'll think about it tomorrow.

Imran:
wow!!! Is it a secret Communicator feature, or a 3rd party tool shortcut?

Thank you for your help!

Stewe

Lipp

27-04-2004, 12:27 AM

When you are in the game, press chr+ctrl+shift+s, you then get a box up saying where do u want to save the screenshot :-)

Sweet! Thanks again Imran!

The harder thing: normal crash, without "CMda..." title.

I know it's hard. I write down the error msgs when I get them though. Btw. I'm guessing you solved this next problem in V.6 but I'm reporting it anyway since I got it.: I tried running on 3015k just for kicks to see how it would respond. worked well for about 15 minutes, (entered store, teleported, etc.) when I pressed enter on save screen: lockup then crash, kern-exec;3. Memory right?

Other news:
Here's a neat trick I noticed that seems to work all the time (prove me wrong, anyone). When facing a monster, before the first person attacks, you can turn to the side and cast bless spells (or etc.) without it being considered a combat round. I thought the monsters might get a free hit or something if I turned away but I don't think there is a penalty for this.

Arjen

27-04-2004, 12:32 AM

- Good news: I found a small memory issue in the card game, and I take apart the large picture in the tavern. The new version *must* be more stable.
- Time in card game: would be harder than the worth, I have checked the code.

Great. Really looking forward to the new version. About the time issue: good thing to leave it that way. I haven't received any threats or angry PM's yet, but if you would have made that change, I'm sure I would receive some.

Imran:
wow!!! Is it a secret Communicator feature, or a 3rd party tool shortcut?

Actually this is a feature that was already present in the "old" EPOC/Symbian systems (like Psion 5MX, Netbook, Revo etc). It's just not documented very well. :rolleyes:

Thanks for all your hard work Stewe. I think it's safe to say that we all really appreciate it. :top:

Best regards

Arjen

redshift

27-04-2004, 12:43 AM

Before the new version...

Lipp:
- memory... maybe I should set the minimal to 3.1 AND I have to check the save routine. As I remember, it needs a bit larger continuous memory space. This is the pain with memory: 3.0 is enough, but it's border. Maybe you have enough, but in small pieces.
- trick: yea, you're right. I'm not sure I can fix this now... would be really serious modification. I tried to solve it in the other platform versions: without luck. It's the most inner structure of the game.

TheBruce:
- maybe you didn't receive pms because of your message after the 1st one :)

I have to thank you for your help!
Of course, I offer you a free regcode for the Expansion Pack, too! If you're interested :cool:

Regards,
Stewe

redshift

27-04-2004, 12:55 AM

NEW VERSION

Could you please check it ?
http://www.redshift.hu/stewe/LegacyComm6.zip

surprise:

- open the inventory, and take off the clothes :wink:
shouldn't be in the released version, because of Janet Jackson's issue :)

changes:

- fixed card game bug (memory issue)

- tavern picture: more, smaller pictures instead of 1 large one

- change member when the spellbook is opened (hhhhaard)

- starting Legacy fix (now it has a nice, but who-knows-why feature: the Legacy name and logo can be seen for a while, although the other parts of the screen are cleared with white. After this, the well-known picture appears: white background, "Starting Legacy" message. Based on my tests, the screen remains clear and white during time change/charger/and so on)

- "Start New Game" -> "New Game" (N is the shortcut)

- "Resume Game" -> "Continue Game" (C is the shortcut)

- Learn spell bug (a character was able to learn denied spell by his/her profession)

- "Equipped:" and "Wielded:" instead of "Pack:" when the character currently uses that item

- Highlander - invalid message (too heavy) - the good one: can't use it effectively

- Regcode accepted without "-" in the imei (probably you can't check this)

- Save screen: "West Grendelmoorw" is too long: now the slot area is larger

- I have removed the ctrl-up/down from the game screen... the ctrl-s still works (should work).

Thank you for your help!

Regards,
Stewe

Arjen

27-04-2004, 04:23 AM

Hi Stewe

Thanks!!! I'm going to check it out immediately.

Best regards

Arjen

P.S. The regcode for the expansion pack would be highly appreciated (I'm sure I will get to it eventually, but I first need to finish the first part - this game really keeps me off the street)

Arjen

27-04-2004, 05:12 AM

First result:
Clean boot - nothing running - not even telephone app
Switched sound on and off in the main screen, then entered the inn:
Crash - Kern exec 3
The game did start up fine the second time. Don't know what was wrong the first time. I'll see if I can reproduce it.

P.S. Although the installation zip file is 106, the version in the SIS file is 1.05. I can see that it's a new version though because of the changes you made in the menu.
P.P.S. I would really like to be able to change the sound level while in the game. Is it possible to put Ctrl-up/down back into the game screen?

BTW what if you take off all the clothes of a character? I don't think there's anything wrong with a decent bra. I have to check the old version to see what's the difference.

Anyway, so far I've been playing for about an hour and noticed no memory errors even when playing the game in the inn a lot. Looks like you've nailed that bug.

Lipp

27-04-2004, 10:11 PM

V.6

Hiya Stewe, good work on those hard fixes :) It’s great being able to change characters in both the spell book views!

free expansion pack regcode: wow! It gets sweeter! Thanks Redshift!

Inventory, take of clothes? Nothing is different from what I can tell, same undergarments. What was the neat surprise? Anyone?

..Janet Jackson… issue..? :?

(minor text change, low low priority): Only weapons are wielded, not shields. (It’s still correct, in a way, but not really used. It’s not important.)

(reminder) Since you widened the save slot for long names it might be worth limiting the map name size in the editor. In case you forgot.

Card game: Is there any way to discard cards without using their effect?

Stewe, I really want a fast save hotkey (ctrl-0, or whatever). Either that or having autosave save during regular intervals? Is there any chance for one in the near future?

Map regeneration: I have a question about this, for a map to regen, do you have to stay out of the map completely for 7 days? I ask because some places (city 2) are never regenerating for me.

Neat tricks: ;)

1) Equipping items that "he/she couldn’t use it effectively!" , it seems you don’t actually get any awkward penalties like dexterity loss due to clumsiness or wizards not being able to cast spells in heavy armor. Actually it seems your only penalties are:
Armor: AC benefit halved. (other bonuses like +4 INT stay)
(So, I can actually give my Highlander a shield and still only win, sweet!)

Weapons: Here you seem to loose a little off the max damage you can inflict.
(pretty reasonable, but still good. Still nice to give a pure mage warhammer)

I haven’t checked the rest.

2) Equip your guy with all the hp/endurance bonus items, his max will go up – heal him. Remove the items and you keep the extra hp's (until you get hurt). If you heal/sleep that number will be reduced to its current max though. It works with spell points too.

redshift

27-04-2004, 11:43 PM

Hi!

Answers...

The Bruce:
- I can give you the exp pack regcode at this minute, but would be better to see if the exp pack blocks you correctly.
- sound on/off, entering inn: I'll check the sound again tomorrow, searching for special circumstances.
- the released game version will be 1.05, the "test subversion" is 6 now. I hope the 7 will be the last (will be uploaded tomorrow).
- ctrl up/down: yes, possible. I just thought it can be annoying: because of the communicator's not-so-accurate direction keys.
- characters: no underwear :) when there was the ppc testing period, I removed this feature, and asked a bit later: did I forget something? The immediately answer: "the boobs, man, the boobs!"
- memory errors: now I have even better version...! The main picture is built up from small pictures, this is a battle against fragmentation, too.

Lipp:
- do you still can see underwear? :confused:
- shields are equipped, probably. (?)
- map name limit: the limit exists... if you see the palm/ppc shots, there're wider area for the game slots. This is a communicator-specific problem! (was)
- ctrl-0: I can include this one... I'll check it tomorrow.
- I completely forgot to handle your email with the help corrections!!! Tomorrow...
- regen: if you stay away from a map, then after 7 days, it'll be regenerated. But: just monsters and items. Objects always keep their states. I mean an opened door remains opened.
- armor/weapons: by design... probably logical. A mage can wield a heavy sword, but the knight in the party could use it better.
- hp/sp tricks: maybe the game contains a lot of cheats/tricks :)

Thank you for your help!

The plan:
I think we can release the game on Friday... except serious errors. Of course we can release 1.05.1 a bit later, with fixes.
I really can't make the test period longer! You *can't* imagine the number of emails about the missing Communicator version! Many people are waiting for it since 15th April.
And I'm very interested, how huge can be Communicator market.

Stewe

Arjen

28-04-2004, 12:50 AM

Hi Stewe

No boobs in my version. Everybody's still wearing undergarments :?

About the regcode for the expansion pack: I'll install it and let you know when it blocks me.

So far, only sometimes a memory error (only after playing for a very long time, crossing lots of maps like forest, lizard cave, city, spider lair, inn, forest 2, lizard cave 2, dungeon, and moving a lot back and forth between them) and only if I start the game with around 3MB left. Starting with 3.3MB (managed to get some more free memory after all) no problems whatsoever.

BTW I read somewhere that it's sometimes too easy to win because you're allowed to drink potions during fights and heal your characters. Maybe it's an idea to add an option for an easy or hard game when you start a game. In hard mode for example, if you drink a potion during a fight that's the end of your turn. This will also give the seasoned RPG player more incentive to buy this great game. I don't know how easy or difficult it is to build this in, but maybe it's something worth considering for 1.06.

Anyway, looking forward to the next version 1.05 (maybe now (only just for this once) without the bra's ;) )

Best regards

Arjen

redshift

28-04-2004, 01:12 AM

Hmm. How could I do it ? I have the boobs version on our device. Maybe I forgot to rcompile the resources?
You'll see the pictures in the next test version. Well, it seems Sylon can draw nice boobs.
http://www.redshift.hu/stewe/boobs.gif

- the memory always will be a problem, as I see. Maybe it's normal because of the game size...
- easy/hard: yes, it's absolutely dedicated to 1.06. The easy will be the current one.

Thank you for your help!

Stewe

SirKline

28-04-2004, 06:36 AM

Hi Stewe,

just finished the first tower level.

The game is running fine for me now. I haven't had any problems in the last few days. I think you are pretty save to release it.

:) Btw. is there a way to save ram-space with combining the sources from dragonfire and Legacy? If i'm not totally wrong you recycled graphics in the Intro :tongue:

Very well done, Stewe
(Once again! Your games just rock!)

greets

SirKline

redshift

28-04-2004, 08:48 AM

Hello!

Thank you!
Good news :)

We just included an intro picture, to say it's a kind of "sequel", because of the similar fantasy world. The source is totally different...
Dragonfire's source is 200KB, Legacy's source is 2 MB, including the editor :)

Now I have a new version, but also have some todo items. I'll back 12 hours later...

Thank you for your help!

Regards,
Stewe

Arjen

28-04-2004, 09:22 AM

Hi Stewe

Just downloaded the editor to give it a try, but I'm a little lost as how to use it. I'm able to change the scenery, and can drop some objects on the floor, but changing the type of block (or adding walls, persons, quests etc) I have no clue how to do that. Is there a place where I can find that information (or maybe even a rudimentary manual) to get me started?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards

Arjen

Imran

28-04-2004, 12:15 PM

Hi!

You *can't* imagine the number of emails about the missing Communicator version! Many people are waiting for it since 15th April.
And I'm very interested, how huge can be Communicator market.

Stewe

I hate to see what your inbox looks like with all the emails :D after all, this is the best looking and the most playable game ever for the commy, Why dont you guys update your website giving people who are looking for the commy version an update...

Tried the latest version, and so far rock solid, cant complain :-)

The no clothes bit of the game, I think you should make it a hidden secret kind of thing, I mean, we dont really want some minors/kids looking at it by mistake, and you guys (redshift) getting bad publicity. Just a thought...

Is there a commy specific expansion pack or can we download and install the ppc version?

Need some help in the fire empire, I am in the bit where you have swop items from each shelf and place them on the matching coloured shelves red for red and so on, I have placed the items but nothing seems to happen? Also I cant place the items exactly on the shelfs, the items just drop to the floor, is that ok?

redshift

28-04-2004, 11:43 PM

Hello!

TheBruce: I can help you with the editor:
- I have (not finished) documentation. It may be useful: http://www.redshift.hu/stewe/LegacyEditor.doc (word2k format)
- I can let you enter the private/hidden Legacy Editor Beta forum, which is on www.pdarcade.com. I just need your username. Bad news: Pdarcade lost *all* forums a week ago... we lost more hundred messages about the editor :mad:
So the forum can be a bit empty now... but I re-invited the players wo started to use the Editor.

Imran:
- release date: I thought I update the that information... doesn't matter. They know :) the original release date, and send us emails "is it ready? no? why not ?"
- inventory pictures: of course!!! We would never release such version, except with a special code (R-rated cheat?). Currently, the Palm and Ppc version simply don't have this feature. I think I can upload the final version in an hour, with this kind of pictures, but that will be the last one (I'll remove them this night)
- I have made the Install sis of the Mission Pack, too. Will be uploaded in an hour, too.
- Fire empire: you have to put them on the shelves. You should use "space", instead of entering the inventory, and dropping items.

Thank you for your help!

Stewe

redshift

29-04-2004, 12:11 AM

Hello!

Exp Pack:
(it's not a test, but a final version, in its final place)
http://www.redshift.hu/redshift/LegacyExp9000.sis
Note: the Exp Pack must be installed on the same drive as Legacy!
You can use the direct pdb url:
http://www.redshift.hu/redshift/MissPack.pdb
In this case you have to copy it manually to the Legacy folder.

Important: I have to clearly describe the instructions... the most important one: if you have the Expansion Pack, then the game requires almost 100KB more execution memory!!! That's because the huge Expansion Pack, it really means 50+ hours gameplay.

Final game version before release:
http://www.redshift.hu/stewe/LegacyComm7.zip
Could you please check it ?

changes:
- fireplace left side - dialog displaying problem (2nd city)
- I have increased the minimal required memory to 3.1 - to be sure. Do you agree?
- Main screen, pic modified - small pieces (you can't see any differences)
- CTRL-Q: Quick save. It does NOT save your game to the last slot, but bring you to the save screen. I tried to support the CTRL- 0...9, but somehow I wasn't able to catch those keys. Not sure... maybe hardware limitations? Or CTRL+number means something for the operating system?
- I have modified the Help based on Lipp's documentation. Thanks!
- Also, I have modified some strings... Replace->Reorder, and so on.
- Page number in Help
- Huge sound bug! I just found a note in my todo list... one of you mentioned this earlier. Exact problem description: if you start the game with sound off, then you set it on, and you immediately load your game and do something which needs sound (for example entering an inn): *crash*. Fixed!

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP!

Regards,
Stewe

Arjen

29-04-2004, 12:37 AM

Hi Stewe

Thanks for the new version. I'll check it out immediately. Changing the memory requirement to 3.1 MB is a good idea. 3MB is just a little bit too less. Maybe you should also include some instructions in the release zip file how to free more memory on the communicator (most users I know usually install lots of software without really caring how much memory is still available).

About the editor: the help document is great (good info on scripting), but I need some help with the basics (for example, how do I change a block to become a road, add a monster, add walls etc). I haven't been able to do this. I've pressed every key on the keyboard, double clicked almost everywhere, right clicked everything, but I cannot get the block type to change. The only way for me now to create a map is to copy different block types from other maps but this is a real pain.

I will also create an account on the PDA forum and send you the details. Hopefully more editor testers will be posting in there soon again.

Best regards

Arjen

redshift

29-04-2004, 12:45 AM

Hello!

You're right. I plan to publish information about Switcher.sis (free Symbian tool), avail.sis (to check it), and link to Task Manager.

Editor basic:
- you need to select a family on the right
- then select an item from that family
- and, select a map position, then press space. it'll be there
- exception: wall items. If you hold down SHIFT, then you can select individual walls on the map. Of course a wall item (for example a painting), can be put on a wall only.
- now you can use the "edit" button(s) on the bottom.

Editor users: hope so!!! There were *many*. Probably they feel the same: all of the info were lost :( As I said, more hundred messages. I hope they still have a mood to use the editor.
Now I have a new map (created by a Palm player), and I'll post it there. This one should be tested.
And I have an own map, Arena (not finished).

Stewe

Arjen

29-04-2004, 02:05 AM

Hi Stewe

So simple. Thanks :-) I've created my own small world already, but now I have another problem. I have a teleport in my map that should connect to the teleport in the first city, but when I got there my map doesn't show up. What can I be doing wrong?

Best regards

Arjen

P.S. You've created the ultimate cheat tool with this editor :D

redshift

29-04-2004, 02:14 AM

Arjen

29-04-2004, 09:24 AM

Please open the Morah world. You can see on the first map (NW corner), there is a teleport, with type="back to connection", and object name ="STARTGAME".
This is what you need in your map: circle teleport, back to connection, STARTGAME.
Without these things, the game simply skips it.

Works like a charm now. Thanks!

One suggestion (request): please make a Communicator version of the editor. I'd love to be able to make my maps while on the move (I have two very long plain trips coming week). This would also allow you to fully test a completed map directly in the game.

Cheat: I know :)
One of my plans: a Matrix world, many shelves, with supplies. Because: some people never finish the base world, because of the annoying final maps (they're mine :o ). That means they probably don't have proper equipment and enough level to safely start the Expansion Pack. This world could help them :)

Exactly my idea. I wanted to make some screenshots with knights and sorcerers etc in very fancy clothing, so I created this small world with lots of items on it. Needless to say that I will use an item from this world once in a while as well, but only if I'm really stuck (otherwise it would spoil the game).

Anyway, I've been playing around with release 7 for some time now and haven't noticed any memory errors anymore. Thanks for this great game.

Best regards

Arjen

P.S. Don't forget to recompile the resources before you really make a distribution version ;)

redshift

29-04-2004, 11:04 AM

Works like a charm now. Thanks!

My pleasure...

One suggestion (request): please make a Communicator version of the editor. I'd love to be able to make my maps while on the move (I have two very long plain trips coming week). This would also allow you to fully test a completed map directly in the game.

Almost impossible :( The editor requires 10-20 MB execution memory. It loads all the items, all the maps at once. The executable code is very huge, ~2 MB. As you can see, it contains the full game.

Exactly my idea. I wanted to make some screenshots with knights and sorcerers etc in very fancy clothing, so I created this small world with lots of items on it. Needless to say that I will use an item from this world once in a while as well, but only if I'm really stuck (otherwise it would spoil the game).

Well, so you can see now the new item types: Adamantium and Firelizard. These are used only in the Expansion Pack! So if you make shots for the base world, then wouldn't be lucky to give the characters Adamantium items. I know you like them :) Superb items.

Anyway, I've been playing around with release 7 for some time now and haven't noticed any memory errors anymore. Thanks for this great game.

The best news in ths morning! :)
Thank you!!!

P.S. Don't forget to recompile the resources before you really make a distribution version ;)

Done :)

Regards,
Stewe

Lipp

29-04-2004, 06:27 PM

Hi,
I’m a little out of it today so forgive me if I’m not making sense. Lots I want to say later.

v.7 – expansion pack installed already (copied .pdb)
sorry to bring the bad news.

Bug!: 3165k free - playing cards, Anderville, Kern-exec;3 ; then: cmda controller;6
crash.

Bug!: 32??k free – (clean boot) Stepped into Grendelmoore global teleporter: message"insufficient memory" system held the machine for a minute then released. Did not crash.

Both of these happened after a couple hours of play. I have repeated these actions several times (before and after), but the errors have not been repeated.

Volume bug(let): I noticed that there are times when the volume seems to reset to a certain level by itself. I’m not sure what triggers it though. I’ll keep an eye opened.

Oh, um. This might be nothing, but: When I went to install the alpha version I asked to look at the certificate. I got an error message: "not possible to find root certificate" Does that mean anything? (??)

Stewe: The quicksave is great! I’m so paranoid about loosing my game that I save every couple minutes. This feature keeps my stress down a lot :)

Regcode barrier: The expansion pack regcode barrier works fine in more than one place. Can you forward the code to me? Thanks again!

Questions for the forum:
I’m having some trouble in the frozen kingdom and have already checked out the hint pages and forums. I’m guessing it’s me, but I followed the instructions and still am not getting the result. Can you guys please take a look at my question on the forum? (You don’t need to create a login to reply.)
Question: "AA! Need help, switches frozen realm"

While I’m at it, have any of you been in the fire empire before the frozen empire? I never found the key for the fire empire. I’m guessing I have to do frozen first.

Forum:
http://www.pdarcade.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=15

thanks!

Lippdinos