I read today about a new Nokia Smartphone called 3650....
at http://www.digi.no/dtno.nsf/pub/te20020905130342_er_45545433
they say that the new phone will have triband, MMS, java, Real software, dor video streaming, digital Camera, colour display Symbian OS etc etc... Nothing is said about memory...
the size will be 130x57x26 mm...

Cant think about anything else than a upgraded 7550...
anyone else heard something ?

his is the same nwes in a swedish site, already translated:


http://www.mobil.se/nyheter/visa.asp?id=5564&sid=1

Nokia comes with a new camera phone.

> 2002-09-05 12:17
>
> Imorgon har Nokia presskonferens för att presentera nya modeller. Redan nu
> kan vi dock avslöja en av dem, nämligen 3650. Den har färgskärm,
> digitalkamera, strömmande video och ett bra pris.

Tomorrow Nokia will have a press conference conserning new models. One
of them is 3650 with color display, digital camera, streaming video
and good pricing.

> Naturligtvis är det för tidigt att yttra sig om priset ännu, men eftersom
> telefonen ska vara riktad mot primärt ungdomar lär den inte bli alls så dyr
> som företagets andra kameramodell 7650.

Naturally it is quite early to talk about the price, but because its
targeted at young people, it wont propably be as expensive as 7650.

> Det är nyhetsbrevet Telekom Online som avslöjar Nokias nya skapelse. 3650
> ska enligt uppgift från nyhetsbrevet ha en stor färgskärm och i likhet med
> 7650 har en inbyggd digitalkamera.
>
> Dessutom kan man se på filmsnuttar som spelas upp i en spelare från Real.
> Dessa små videoinslag kan också skickas till andra via MMS. Förutsatt att
> även mottagaren har en kompatibel videotelefon, förstås.

The phone should be able to to play (and make) films with
Realplayer. One could send them via MMS.

> Nokia 3650 ska finns ute på marknaden under första kvartalet nästa år och
> har bland annat Bluetooth, trippelband, GPRS och Java.

Nokia 3650 will come to market during 1Q/2003 and have e.g. bluetooth,
triple-band, GPRS and Java.

> Eftersom det är en ungdomstelefon kommer den på gammalt hederligt
> Nokia-manér ha utbytbara skal och en ytterst annorlunda design, som synes på
> bilderna här bredvid.

As it is a phone to youngsters, it will have a new different design,
as in pictures here.

> Vikten har också minskat jämfört med 7650. Nya 3650 väger blott 130 gram och
> har måtten 130x57x26 mm. Standbytiden är på mellan 150 och 200 timmar medan
> taltiden är på omkring 4 timmar.

The phone weights less than 7650: about 130 grams and the size is
130x57x26 mm. Standby time between 150 and 200 hours and talk time
about 4 hours.

True... I just saw it after I posted it.... :oops:

The only thing that suggests to me that it is Symbian is the Real Player.

Nevertheless, it would be well cool to see yet another Symbian phone out there, and this one targetted at the youth audience and not the spotty geeks!

Well,

Now I feel shafted. The "kids version" is more complete than the 7650? Just the video and mmc card make the difference! Looks like nokia rushed out a half-baked product, and will launch the final version disguised as a lower market version - only that it is a more complete "lower market" version. I had already enough problems with the 7110, I should have learned... Possibly the 7650 is the last nokia mobile I am going to buy. Time to look seriously at the P800...

Any email we can write to at nokia to make them feel they should offer a upgrade path from the 7650 to the "whatever number" with mmc and video? I just payed 700€ for a phone that is going to be made obsolete by a cheaper version...

WHY IS YOUR PHONE GOING TO BE OBSOLTE!!!! Idiot. It will still do the same thing and is SMALLER than the 3650.

This is the world of technology. get with it grand dad.

And if you think saying "maybe this is last nokia I will buy" then please, go ahead. HAVE YOU EVER USED A MOTOROLLA!!!! I threw mine away after three days. No one can beat Nokia, they make the best phones in the world.

and don't quote MMC memory cards and all that crap. this phone is coming out 6-8 months after the 7650. thats a long time in this business.

the 7650 is a modern masterpiece. please try and respect it.

WHY IS YOUR PHONE GOING TO BE OBSOLTE!!!! Idiot. It will still do the same thing and is SMALLER than the 3650.

This is the world of technology. get with it grand dad.

And if you think saying "maybe this is last nokia I will buy" then please, go ahead. HAVE YOU EVER USED A MOTOROLLA!!!! I threw mine away after three days. No one can beat Nokia, they make the best phones in the world.

If you just had the integrity to register, and use a login... But a pimple faced coward who resorts to insults as his main arguments deserves no reply.

I agree I feel cheated, If the 7650 had a Memory expansion slot then I wouldn't be too bothered as you can get video capture software. But anouncing a cheaper model after only a month or two after releasing the 7650 isn't right.

Although the 3650 is really ugly.

One thing to consider is that sometimes the early versions have some higher quality features, before costcutting creeps in. I went from a 7110 (admittedly late generation, final ROM) which was totally problem-free, to a 6310 which was a better phone in many ways but lacked the roller. I always missed it, as well as the open/shut spring slide etc.... the cheaper rocker switch and one-body build of the 'streamlined' 6310 was never as good, though the shape was nicer etc.

The joystick on the 7650 is an obvious analogy (in fact what with the slidey wotsit and the 'first in the next product line' status, the 7650 is the spiritual descendant of the 7110). It works really well but is fiddly to make and I suspect will get swept away in later generations for a wider mass market. Enjoy the original premium product while it is in the 'expensive but high quality' niche.

Are they really going to make a 3XXX model better than a 6XXX, 7XXX, 8XXX or 9XXX? I mean fine, 7650 is better than the other Nokia bar the 9XXX, but then this is their first colour MOBILE PHONE (9XXX is more than a mobile phone). I really doubt they will pack so much features on a lower model.

Adrian

Does anybody have an e-mail address for nokia. I want to let them know how I feel about the release of the 3650. I think we should al let nokia know how we feel cheated by this. I'm going to ask about expanding the 7650 memory in some way, 'cos I fell we are all entitled to some sort of compensation or something.

I agree, we should email nokia, and if they don't give us a decent answer, vote with our wallets, choose ericsson or motorola. All but stinker based phones...

You are gonna complain that a phone that will hit the market a year after yours is gonna be better and cheaper????!?!??! Have you gone mad? Would you ring up Ford and complain that the next years Mondeo is cheaper and better value? Would you write to Intel and moan that your CPU is obsolete in 6 months? To be honest you are making a big fuss of nothing. Why buy a 7series phone that you know will be obsolete a year down the line like the 7110? The 7series is the flagship of new technology, expect in a year or 2 for it to be smashed into the ground, but remember that manufacturers and networks *want* you to upgrade every year.

Ok, maybe I am overreacting. At least my 7110 was good for one year, not surpassed 1 month after launch.

The 7650 has been in the shops what? 2 months now and hasn't been surpassed yet. Nokias next one is NEXT YEAR, and the only alternative is a Sony/Ericsson which isn't even in the same league as the 7650 so you can't really compare them.

on nokia website : http://www.nokia.com/phones/3650/

If you just had the integrity to register, and use a login... But a pimple faced coward who resorts to insults as his main arguments deserves no reply.

I was too busy laughing at the prospect of a motorolla being better than a nokia to register i am sorry.

I mean the v66 is hilarious - have you seen the software!!

face it switchblade has made the argument i was making with a face and with more decorum than me. :o

Face it we are currently at the cutting edge, as with all things you cannot be at the cutting edge for long. this is even shorter in this industry - and you know what - thats why i love it - whats around the next corner??

My 7650 is insured for £500, so in a years time when there is something better out there, I will accidently break my 7650 and claim for a new phone of £500.

I will be able to upgrade in November anyway as I have two contracts running 6 months apart from each other. (Silly and expensive, I know). But what phone do you guys think I should be looking at getting in 2 months time. The only one that springs to mind is the P800.

Having said that i'm not too keen on Ericsson, they tend to be a bit slow, and have lots of bugs. I've just sold my T68i and I didn't think that much to it. Has anyone used a P800 yet?

All the specs are now on the nokia website - and yes it will have a mmc slot!!!

IMHO the only upgrade from a 7650 is a 9210 or 9210i. The P800 appeals to me in the same way a Ford Fiesta appeals to a millionaire (i.e. not much).

MMC card would be nice - but look at the state of it - I thought the 7650 was big!

Also I seem to remember the 7650 was officially launched in 'Q2 2002' - I managed to get one las month!

I'm guessing the 3650 will actually be available around Xmas 2003 - by which time Nokia will have announced loads of other better phones that will p*ss off people who bought a 3650

Mobile phones - the only things that depreciate faster than cars.

I guess nokia is tring to rush out bunch of new models to kill off sony-ericsson.

I think it just feels that way because of the recent dip in the mobile market.

Nokia haven't produced a really decent phone for a long time - I've recently spent 2 months without a phone because there was nothing worth getting and I didn't want to tie myself to a contract with a crap phone.

Was actually waiting for the 8910 but (luckily for me) the 7650 hit the high street first - much better value for money and more toys!

I bought a Nokia 9210 last year and less than a year after that, they release 9210i and left my 9210 without and upgrade path. Just imagine how furious I was. Luckily I delayed buying the 7650 because somehow, I knew Nokia would do something like that again. But I never thought they would do it with a lower end model. I mean the 3650 has everything, video capture, triband, an expansion slot for extra memory and even WAP 2.0 compared to 7650's WAP 1.2.1. I wonder what Nokia is going to come up with next. I'm adopting a wait and see attitude for now. Maybe a higher end model will be out soon. Let's wait and see...

Ok, maybe I am overreacting. At least my 7110 was good for one year, not surpassed 1 month after launch.

Except it won't be surpassed after a month... the 3650 won't be out for another 9 months in practice. enjoy your 7650 while you have it. i'd love one but it's too expensive!

My 7650 is insured for £500, so in a years time when there is something better out there, I will accidently break my 7650 and claim for a new phone of £500.


So you're the one to blame for rising insurance costs then?

If you can't afford it, you can't afford it - why should law abiding citizens subsidise your out-stripped ability Vs desire?

Personally, I reckon that the biggest advantage of this new model is that is actually supports the Bluetooth Audio profile - meaning that headsets, carkits, etc. can now be used.

Even though Tri-band, MMC expansion, etc. are nice inclusions, it is the Bluetooth compatibility (or lack thereof) that has stopped me from buying a 7650. Which is a shame...

Ok, maybe I am overreacting. At least my 7110 was good for one year, not surpassed 1 month after launch.

The 3650 is not in the shops yet, it will be out in Q1/2003. Your 7650 is not surpassed yet. Intel & AMD keep releasing better CPUs every two months - there are better DVD players, better Digital cameras etc. coming all the time... And your 7650 will most certainly get SW upgrades to squish the bugs etc.

Come now, stop arguing - people are watching us (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/59/27001.html)!

Can I just say to RTS that... DON'T DROP THAT PHONE!!! Insurance company only pays out the market value for the phone, so in a years time, it will probably be about £300 on sim free.... and not what you insured it for.

Adrian

Oh dear The Register are watching us.

/me checks he hasn't posted owt stupid... nope he's fine.

I agree I feel cheated, If the 7650 had a Memory expansion slot then I wouldn't be too bothered as you can get video capture software. But anouncing a cheaper model after only a month or two after releasing the 7650 isn't right.

Although the 3650 is really ugly.

Typical Nokia. Release a phone. A little while later, release a bigger, uglier phone aimed at a lower-priced market, which is otherwise mostly better. Seemed to work with the 8310 and 3510...

Come on are Nokia realy that bad?

What they have done is announce a new phone to be released in about 6 months time, thats half a year! Virtually all phones will be out of date in that time. What surprises me is that Nokia announce things so early. I would have thouught its bound to effect 7650 sales from now on. However it gives people the choice I can but a 7650 now of wait for the 3650.

Most companies wait until the last moment before announcing new kit to keep up the sales of the current models. Where I would get realy peeved is buying a device today and finding its to be replaced within a month.

Remember when Siemens, Samsung and Panasonic start releasing series 60 phones as well as Nokia you can probably expect a new device every couple of months.

Why should anyone be pissed off at Nokia for releasing news about a new phone. It's just news! There is no phone available, you can't buy the 3650 and it'll be ages before it comes out. If you think about it the 3650 buyers will probably be pissed at Nokia when 3G arrives, so stop saying the 7650 is becoming obselete and accept the phone for what it has. I know it would be nice to have more memory and bluetooth audio functionality but I would also like more memory and a faster processor on my computer. I accept it and so should SOME of you lot.

today, on, Cebit @ Istanbul, i was able to view Nokia 3650.

It does look childish and simple, bleive me, 7650 looks much more beautiful.

Motion capturing and mmc is ok, however, the keypad, oh my god, what kind a keypad is it??? it's unusable..!!

and, why didn't nokia put an mmc slot into 7650..??? i really don't understand.

do you think, nokia can make an upgrade for 7650, some hardware modifications for mmc slot..?

Why not a MMC slot in the 7650...
maybe with an accessorry this is something possible....
Hp withe the Jornada 568 did it, they released a battery with MMc/sd slot, why not Nokia or some accessory company?

I wanted to answer to someone surprised by the Nokia policy....
why the 9210/9210i haven't got the gprs, if you find some intelligent reason, please tell me. :-)

bYEZ

You are gonna complain that a phone that will hit the market a year after yours is gonna be better and cheaper?

The point is that this time the cycle seems to be faster than ever before. Many people have just bought the 7650 for +700 euros and already hear that a cheaper model will soon have better features. This is not a good way to treat early adaptive customers.

For example Communicator models have kept their value and status for a lot longer time. The 7650 seems to have been released in a hurry and this is the result. I think there are very many 7650 owners now.

I also think that many people will be more suspicious after this that if they buy a new Nokia product, it will not last new for a long time. People will start to wait for "i" models and other changes "that are coming in a few months anyway". This is not good for sales!

The 7series is the flagship of new technology, expect in a year or 2 for it to be smashed into the ground, but remember that manufacturers and networks *want* you to upgrade every year.

You can buy a 700 series BMW and count on that it won't be a low budget model next year. It doesn't matter if some features inside or outside are the same, people see the wholeness.

Tero

You are gonna complain that a phone that will hit the market a year after yours is gonna be better and cheaper?

The point is that this time the cycle seems to be faster than ever before. Many people have just bought the 7650 for +700 euros and already hear that a cheaper model will soon have better features. This is not a good way to treat early adaptive customers.

For example Communicator models have kept their value and status for a lot longer time. The 7650 seems to have been released in a hurry and this is the result. I think there are very many 7650 owners now.

I also think that many people will be more suspicious after this that if they buy a new Nokia product, it will not last new for a long time. People will start to wait for "i" models and other changes "that are coming in a few months anyway". This is not good for sales!

The 7series is the flagship of new technology, expect in a year or 2 for it to be smashed into the ground, but remember that manufacturers and networks *want* you to upgrade every year.

You can buy a 700 series BMW and count on that it won't be a low budget model next year. It doesn't matter if some features inside or outside are the same, people see the wholeness.

Tero

Well, I don't think people care (apart for some techno geeks) about the better models. Just talked with my mom and she said that she would still buy the 7650 even though 3650 would be available (currently she has 8210)...

Why? Well, for her the design of 7650 was better than the toyish looks of 3650... It's not necessarily the "it has more features" that counts, it's the overall package with huge emphasis on the design. She would even pay more on the 7650 even though I said it hasn't have that many features.

Are there any law men in here,can i sue the register for putting the link to my post on their website? After all,what i've said is my property,no one asked me about copyrights :D

Why? Well, for her the design of 7650 was better than the toyish looks of 3650... It's not necessarily the "it has more features" that counts, it's the overall package with huge emphasis on the design.

This is a very good point. There are different kind of customers and users. Considering the current price and features of the 7650, I just believe that there are plenty of "tech freaks" that have bought it and are now disappointed.

This can, though, be just the first reaction. Then having thought about the next year and how long it will actually take until the 3650 is shipping in stores, it might not feel that bad anymore.

Tero

Well, these all seem like fair arguments, to a child.

I have had my 7650 for about a Month and am thoroughly impressed by it. A few software fixes here and there wouldn't go amiss but all-in-all it's a suprisingly amazing phone.
So, if Nokia bring out an even more all-singing-all-dancing (and makes a a fine cuppa) type of phone, do I really wanna moan? Nah - I had my 7110 for two years - because nothing out there before the 7650 was worth the effort.

Triband - how many of us can honestly afford to make calls from other countries?
MMC - A little more memory, are you really gonna use it? - I have yet to fill 4Mb - afterall - you can easily download snaps via IR to the computer.
Video Capture - The camera is only a VGA 640x480 - hardly 16:9 Widescreen Movie quality - doubt it would be worth it.

And with all these additions, is the 3650 really a phone anymore? - the 7650 is borderline between PDA/Phone and quick-shot camera.
I think i'll be happy with the standards set by the 7650.

Jim :roll:

Well u guys can argue all you like, im surrounded by people with 3310s and 3330s.....Im perfectly happy with my apparently outdated, error ridden 7650 thank you very much 8)

I was looking to buy the T68i back in mid July but Mobile Republic mess around with us and we called off the deal. I was then stuck with the 3210 and DB2000 while my better half was walking around with her 8250. Then my attention shift away from the T68i as a few phone was coming out on the market. Namely 7650, 7210, Z700, T300 with MCA-25 camera, and P800. They discontinued the Z700. T300 and 7210 will not be available until at least September (more than 1 month away). So I was left with a choice between T68i with MCA-20 cam or 7650. P800 looks too expensive. Couldn't find other places who sells T68i with MCA20 cheaply, while I found the 7650 for only £100.... the choice was obvious.

If you tell me the 3650 could also be availabe back then, I don't know if I would buy the 7650... I probably would still go for the 7650, cos you can never catch up with the lastest technology unless you are absolutely loaded and also a money waster. The other phones were still at least 1 month away and I have not had a nice phone for 2 years.....

I remember saying to my better half, before the 7650 arrive, that I can see myself using this for at least 2 years. I still can............ I think :roll:

I've played with it. (Friend works for Nokia 'borrowed' one last thursday - day b4 launch)
It's OK-ish, but feels 'cheap'. Don't think it'll stand up to the treatment that the 7650 can.
Very lightweight, about as heavy as a packet of cigarettes.
Plus, that keyboard...OK for kids, but not 'power-users'. PITA.
Yep, I'd buy one, (specially if I had kids) but I'd still prefer the 7650 for durability. :o

Someone else has made the point before... the video is only 640*480 format so the quality is doubtful. you will probably need lots of RAM to use it. I remember trying to record a video to email to a friend of mine in HK. Trying to show her our new flat you see. Very small flat mine you. Tried it in 640*480 at 30fps, ended up with more than 500mb for about 1 minute of video. Won't bore you all with details but in the end tried 160*120 at 15fps, still took up more than 30mb. Can't send that via the net (unless I have ADSL), so imagine that on the 3650. Need to shell out loads on a memory card. Quality is poor. Blahblahblah. Unless of course it has hardware MPEG coder. Does it? :-?

Look at the camera as well. By that I mean the 7650 one. Max resolution is 640*480. Have you guys tried printing the pictures from the camera? I can tell you that it is not great. Colour is slightly out, it is blur, blahblahblah.

What I am saying is that those two functions are just novelty if you think about it. It is not supposed to be a digital camera replacement. (It did make me think about getting one though :oops: ) They will probably be making proper 2+ megapixel phones in the near future and all. The next big thing? Maybe a microwave on the phone :o ... just point the phone at the food you want to cook for 1-2 minutes and wah lah, hot food on the move! :D :D :D

Adrian

It decodes movies in mp4 format. Probably has a hardware encoder or fast enough cpu.

Hi, the memory of 3650 willbe 4MB and external up to 64MB on a 3V card

Don't worry, do you really think I would drop my 7650.
I've had a look at the 3650 and I think it just looks cheap.
It may have more features but who want's a phone that looks like a childs toy!
I'll stick to my 7650 thankyou very much.

I got my 7650 a couple of weeks ago (and also have a 9210). Found myself swapping Sims around for a while, before I settled down to the fact that my 7650 is my everyday phone, and the 9210 is for business trips and travel (French-English translation is useful when you are there on holiday).

Anyway, I read the whole thread through (found it after the article in the Register) and found it a) sad, b) amusing (well done Adrian) and c) ... well some of you already get the point.

This is just a device with some features that we will use (or not, as is the case with most people) ... these features get superceded and upgraded all the time.

However, the point is that this is a Series 60 platform device .... as is the 3650 (and many more in the pipeline from Siemens, Matsuhita and Samsung for starters). Other devices will have different features (do you tell Sony that their new video cameras upset you coz you bought the last top of the range and the new one is lighter). Some of them will have more memory, aimed at different segments of the market, different applications, different vertical sectors perhaps.

It runs software - yes, the 7650 is a computer with limited memory, you can load up all you like as long as they designed for this platform (i.e. Midlets rather than kludgy standalone apps) ... but they will need a service element to be really useful. You should even be able to take those apps with you to your next device(s) - they will all share the same basic architecture.

What you are all perhaps missing is the value will be in what you can now do with these devices and the standard that is set for the market place. With licensees like Siemens, Samsung and Matsuhita ... you are already talking 65% brand market share (even more in the UK).

What does that tell you about the possibilities ... ;)

As one of the more vocal in this tread, I think I should try to explain myself... I know that 60+% of the market of new phones is great, maybe now we will see a jump in sw (not only midlets, but linux connectivity suites, etc.). And I know that this market will more and more look like the pc market two-three years ago. But it hurts one ego having bought the TOP flashy new model as it showed on the shops, and 1 month after that one is dethroned by the anounce of a new, cheaper, more complete, aimed at a lower market model. I hadn't fell for that ego boosting type of trip of buying the "latest greatest" in some years, so it hurts more, probably. ;)
And there is where I think nokia is failing, hurting the ego/self image of it's early adopters, by telling them "yeah, you just spend €700 on our top range phone, but the neighbour's kid will have a better one, cheaper, in six months".

Ok, just over-reacting...

My 7650 is insured for £500, so in a years time when there is something better out there, I will accidently break my 7650 and claim for a new phone of £500.

Not that I condone the insurance fraud or anything ;) but which company did you get to insure it for £500??? I rang round several, most wouldn't insure it at all, and I had to settle on a maximum coverage of £350... figuring in the meantime I will just have to hold it in a death-grip every time I walk the streets of London!

I love mine and will stick with it whatever... it's annoying when new versions come out but hey, it happens alllll the time. I actually don't like the look of the 3650 at all - gimmicky shape, v. ugly. The thing that *does* irk me is that it's tri-band - I was gutted when the 7650 wasn't (Nokia very slow on tri-band no?!) - I make a lot of trips to the States a year and each time I have to borrow a Motorola timeport - horrible horrible, *awful* phones.

The 3650 isn't even in the same league as the 7650 - it's a toy from the looks of it.

The memory card would be good thoug - I'm currently developing MIDlets and it's hard to get everything crammed into a small amount of memory. I know the 7650 has 4MB but once you take into account users will have a few hundred k of photos & loads of other apps you're looking at a maximum size of 200k or so for a application/game. A nice big 64MB card would make life so much easier!

... you're looking at a maximum size of 200k or so for a application/game. A nice big 64MB card would make life so much easier!

You miss the opportunity then ... if you need 200K of application then you probably should think about distributing the functionality so that the smarts are in a server side application ... means more money for the operator (as the punter uses the app) but then you get more interest from the operators in rolling it out :roll:

The problem with that is having the money to run a server. The operator's marketing guys aren't interested unless you can prove it will make money - which means you have to launch it off your own pocket.

I'm mainly looking at making games and small applications to start with - then wait to see what the market turns out like before spending anything.

I'm not usually an 'early adopter', being a student I can't afford to be, but the 7650 really caught my eye, so I spent all my saved up pennies on it. I am now dissapointed that it came out before the addition of the new features, the guy in the phone shop advised me to wait for the new Sony Ericsson to become available, maybe I should have done.

My interest is whether it is possible for Nokia to provide a software or firmware upgrade for the 7650 that will allow it to have WAP2.0, Bluetooth audio support and video capture (though this maybe of limited use with the 2MB memory I have remaining).

Is this a possible or likely step for Nokia to take?

Cheers,
Seb

It's DAM UGLY!

I agree with everybody that thinks nokia is unfair because something like that happened to me 2. After 4 days since i bought the nokia 3510, nokia announced the 3510i model and i was sooooooooo pissed off that i wasted about 2 days thinking what i was going to do to get the new model. So i understand how frustrating the announcement of the nokia 3650 is. But have you heard a price for it? I mean how cheaper than the 7650 can it be? You should think that it should cost a lot more than the 3510i (if anybody has a price for it please post it) which should cost more than the 3510 which already costs 240euros. So until a price is announced don't be so frustrated. I also wonder why nokia isn't releasing a seperate camera for her phones.

Bluetooth audio profile can not be gained with a software upgrade,i've read in this forum that nokia is developing some bluetooth upgrade chip,video capture would be nice,look trough the posts,there was one mentioning a software that can mpeg4 encode n7650 video clips (i think it was in early development or something),and about the nokia 3510,you can get it here for 180-190 euros.

[quote="Anonymous"]WHY IS YOUR PHONE GOING TO BE OBSOLTE!!!! Idiot. It will still do the same thing and is SMALLER than the 3650.

>> You must be a bit of an idiot: IT's SAME SIZE AND LIGHTER THAN 7650!!

Hey Folks,cool down :-?
you both got right,but why must u start 2 speak like this?
The 3650 is INMO not so heavy,but bigger...
all clear now??
GreetZ and hey: PEACE
Sämi

I have checked out the market for months now, and it has now come to a straight choice between the 6310i (just released through Orange), or go for the Sony Ericsson P800.

7650 now versus 3650 next year - this reminds me of why real Nokia users (business / heavy consumers) adopted the 6210 /6310 instead of the 'pretty' 8210/8310 phones. Long term reliability and backup. I have been holding out for a while in hopes of bagging the Sony Ericsson P800; maybe I should be conservative and stick with what I know. Not to mention the upgrade price of £80 (compared to the past price of £130 for 6210) has to be seen as a bargain.

This post is continued on the P800 forum.



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People!!

The 3650's keypad looks crappy!!! WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!! I mean, when you write SmS's, you actually know where the "a" and "e" are, just like when you type on a keyboard! You dont "looK" where ya gonna hit your fingers (this is for people who use Pc's frequently) but whats this? a round keypad? How the hell we supposed to write? Or for basic uses, Key-in telephone numbers!!!!

Even my grandma's phone makes this look outdated!!

But on the contrary, it rocks :D. (my gradma's not the 3650 :P)

Hmm. Seems like there is a lot of discussion on this thread. Nothing like getting my hands dirty too.

1. The 3650, doesnt look as dignified or professional like the 7650.
2. In fact the 7650, is the closest you could get to a PDA-cum-Cellphone in a great looking package. (PDA like apps could be downloaded to make things equal. Grafitti ? Well I find T9 much easier than grafitti.)
3. The 9210 is just that bit bulky.
4. The P800 came close in my reckoning, but it lost out on design. (Also I till now I have only bought ericcson, until my last buy 3310, and I was quite fed up with the firmware bugs. My A3618 rebooted 2-3 times everyday on its own.)
5. The 3650's Keypad. COME ON. They got to be joking. I work for a company that design access control readers, once we had to move the '0' key away from the standard design, boy did we get a lot of flak for even suggesting it. How come they went spastic and designed a circular keypad.
6. The camera function on the 7650 is only there as a USP. Its useful only for moments when you are stuck without a digicam. There are no focus and zoom features so pretty useless. I wonder what you are going to do with a movie rec. on the 3650.
7. The memory expansion on the 3650 is indeed a good feature (too bad they couldnt do it on the 7650). But I have read in many places that Bluetooth memory cards are available (SONY I think). I was wondering - IF this could be integrated, do we only need to carry the memory module on our person, or does it need to be near the phone ? Also what will be the battery drain.
8. SW development on the 7650 is still a pain, you need VC++ and then the SDK etc... I wish Nokia did something about this, I am sure many people will like to write software for free. This will really revolutionise the market.

All in all, I would be caught dead with a 3650 in my hand. I shall stick to the 7650 until THE ACTUAL '7650i' comes up.. (A 7650 with more dream features).

Well these are my thoughts, flame me well and truly :-)

The 3650 comes with 4Mb of RAm just like the 7650 But it is upgradable.

Nokia has now revealed the next-generation Series 60 phone, which effectively is the 7650's big brother although it's placed in Nokia's 3000 series and thus targeted at the young and trendy.


Like the Nokia 7650, the 3650 sports an integrated digital camera capable of taking pictures in VGA resolution, 4 MB RAM a 12-bit color display, GSM, GPRS, HSCSD and Bluetooth - but there are some subtle differences as well. Apart from the updated looks of the 3650, which sports a rotary style keypad, the phone has tri-band and not dual-band GSM, its Bluetooth is likely to support Bluetooth headsets and car kits - meaning it's v1.1, and there is also an integrated MMC card expansion slot.

Also, despite the Nokia 7650 also having an integrated digital camera, it's only capable of taking pictures while the 3650 will come with software to record and play back video, and will also be bundled with the Series 60 version of the RealOne Mobile player, recently exposed by infoSync. Something else is new in the software department as well, and that's an WAP 2.0/XHTML browser that among other things supports browsing i-mode content; the Nokia 7650 only comes with a WAP browser.

J2ME and MMS support is also present in the 3650, and Nokia will be offering a new Photo Zone service to share photos and send e-cards. Continuing the theme of sharing experiences, Nokia also said the 3650 would support multi-party game play over infrared and Bluetooth without delving into deeper detail.

The Nokia 3650 phone weighs 130 g, and comes with an 850 mAh Lithium ion battery where the Nokia 7650 only has a 650 mAh battery, giving 3650 a talk time of up to 4 hours hours, a standby time of up to 8 days and a faster charging time of approximately one hour. Also, user-changeable Xpress-on covers which will be shipping along with the 3650 in early 2003 will be available to allow owners to personalize their handset as with other youth-targeted phones from the company.[/quote]

7. The memory expansion on the 3650 is indeed a good feature (too bad they couldnt do it on the 7650). But I have read in many places that Bluetooth memory cards are available (SONY I think). I was wondering - IF this could be integrated, do we only need to carry the memory module on our person, or does it need to be near the phone ? Also what will be the battery drain.

Cool idea - I can imagine having a 2GB hard drive on my person accessable by both my IPAQ and phone!

I can understand why people would get annoyed at nokia releasing a phone with more features, as the 7650 is probably the most expensive phone they've bought (particularly the early adopters).

But... comparing the 7650 to the 3650 is like comparing the 3310 to the 5510, sure the 5510 has a few more features and a qwerty keypad but they're aimed at different sections of the market. I wonder if people who bought the 3310/3330 felt cheated when the 5510 came out?

In my view the 3650 will be a nice playground toy for the schoolies but could you really imagine yourself putting it on the table at a corporate meeting? MMC support is undoubtably a great ommission on the 7650, but not as big an ommission as the bluetooth audio profile. :x Also, consider what keeping a 64Mb 3v card in the phone will do to battery life!

Video capture? :-? Hmmmm, well unless it can compress the 640x480 video into something that won't cost a fortune to send via mms/gprs then it's actually pretty pointless, and again, it raises the point about the implications of keeping a large memory card installed in the phone.

Let's face it, the 7650 is a cracking piece of technology, it is without a doubt the most significant new release in an otherwise stagnant market (I never upgraded my 7110 until the 7650 came out as there simply wasn't anything else worthwhile in the shops), and if nokia release something else in 9-12 months that isn't a "teenie-phone" then I guess it just proves that we live in a world where all technology has a very short lifespan.

Come on! The 7650 is still a great phone, and to all those whingers out there, there's a 7650i coming out very shortly that is meant to make the 3650 look inferior. (not to mention uglier :) ) And many of you are still ignoring the fact that the 7650 has been out for several months already. Also, the 7110 was a DUD phone. It was crappy, large, and, as stats show, was bought by few. You are better off looking at past Nokias such as the 8210 and 8850. Both these were released way back in 1998 and (through some help from the 8850 gold edition) the 8850 kept up its sales right through until the release of the 8855s and 8910s. These are the phones (among others like the 5110 and 3210) that have made Nokia what they are today. All were small, lightweight and offered features popular to the market at their time of release.

Thanks, I feel much better now :)

[b]Come on! The 7650 is still a great phone, and to all those whingers out there, there's a 7650i coming out very shortly

THERE IS NO sodding 7650i - and even if there were, it wouldent be coming out shortly as there is no mention of it from Nokia. :x

Forget a 2GB disk connected by Bluetooth - I already have a 20GB MP3 player that acts as a reliable backup for PC data (Archos Jukebox) ... all I want now is a Bluetooth connector for that (USB connection or no doubt, a newer device with integrated BT will emerge) and then, hey presto, memory problem solved.

Anyone heard any new info bout 7650i? Let´s face it, it will come in some way. The talk of 7650i just being a triband for the US sounds really strange. In the past Nokia-i phones have had better features. And phones for the US market usually gets another name, like 7670 or something. And Nokia will (before or later) have to do something about memory slot and audio profile, and when they´ve done that 7650 will be even better. It probably will be presented (as some people claim) on 26th september.

Anyone heard any new info bout 7650i? Let´s face it, it will come in some way. The talk of 7650i just being a triband for the US sounds really strange. In the past Nokia-i phones have had better features. And phones for the US market usually gets another name, like 7670 or something. And Nokia will (before or later) have to do something about memory slot and audio profile, and when they´ve done that 7650 will be even better. It probably will be presented (as some people claim) on 26th september.

Okay so lets say for one min that there will be such a release as the 6750i (which there wont). A US version is most likely (but forget that). It will take a good 6-8 months before the release date (to physically produce it - look at all other nokia press releases) You then have to allow the standard one month delay for all Nokia products. So reallity check, when the new one comes out, people will be thinking of upgrading anyway, - no worry.

As for the memory expansion. Nokia would not do this. It would drive sales away from the 3650, which although is alimed at younger groups, it still will house similar 7650 features. Besides, I'd give it a month before bluetooth memory expansions are standard with 7650 users. But now I am just rambling, so I am going to stop. Really :roll:

Actually there will be a 7650i. I think people might be underwhelmed by it though.

As to we haven;t heard about it yet... well how many people knew about the 3650 before it was announced. It could be announced tomorrow for all we know... I think it be December though... similar to the 9210 -> 9210i

Looks crappy?? Everybody in this forum is making a fuss about new technology. Have you even given a slightest thought that you might be looking a new approach in the keypad also? Why the early phones had round dialling - because it was easy to use! Who said that the computer or calculator style keypad is easy to use? It works fine if the calculator or computer is against a table but a phone is in your hand. You use your phone with one hand or two hands. Most people use them with one hand, only most enthusiastic people using SMS use both hands. They use both hands because it makes writing faster. Do you think the current keypad is optimised for using your both thumbs?

Well, look 3650 closer. Imagine using it with your both thumbs. You just move your thumbs up and down and all the numbers and letters are nicely available. No stretching needed. A agree that it requires some learning to do before you remember where everything is. But I think we are looking at a VERY good improvement on your typing speed.

So go on, blame the new keyboard and never try it. I thought it were only the old people who sweared that they would never touch on new technology :D

People!!

The 3650's keypad looks crappy!!! WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!! I mean, when you write SmS's, you actually know where the "a" and "e" are, just like when you type on a keyboard! You dont "looK" where ya gonna hit your fingers (this is for people who use Pc's frequently) but whats this? a round keypad? How the hell we supposed to write? Or for basic uses, Key-in telephone numbers!!!!

Even my grandma's phone makes this look outdated!!

But on the contrary, it rocks :D. (my gradma's not the 3650 :P)

For all htose who think that the P800 will be here soon ... sowwy, it seems like yet another delay

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t271-s2122411,00.html

You are gonna complain that a phone that will hit the market a year after yours is gonna be better and cheaper????!?!??! Have you gone mad? Would you ring up Ford and complain that the next years Mondeo is cheaper and better value? Would you write to Intel and moan that your CPU is obsolete in 6 months? To be honest you are making a big fuss of nothing. Why buy a 7series phone that you know will be obsolete a year down the line like the 7110? The 7series is the flagship of new technology, expect in a year or 2 for it to be smashed into the ground, but remember that manufacturers and networks *want* you to upgrade every year.

wrong! here in germany the networks sell phones with 2-years-contracts ... and 2 years are very looong. Seeing all your friends getting better and better phones is a pain in the ass ... when my current contract ends (september 2004) UMTS might be more than normal, and i missed the start :-(

Scythe *demanding a memory upgrade for all 7650-users*

Sorry no offense, but you should think of that before buying your phone! You knew that the phone has only 4 MB of memory! For example you cant give 10.000 euros for a car and then after a month expect a BMW to give you a better engine! be happy you have the best phone around, or buy a PDA!

:)

You don't have to upgrade. I never switch until it really is called for.
Seeing all your friends getting better and better phones is a pain in the ass
Ain't that a little childish?

If you don't like the current 7650 then just don't buy it ;p

I will be able to upgrade in November anyway as I have two contracts running 6 months apart from each other. (Silly and expensive, I know). But what phone do you guys think I should be looking at getting in 2 months time. The only one that springs to mind is the P800.

Having said that i'm not too keen on Ericsson, they tend to be a bit slow, and have lots of bugs. I've just sold my T68i and I didn't think that much to it. Has anyone used a P800 yet?

yes the amazing possibilities of th s/e p800 is wonderful.. currently i am enjoying it and think beats the hell out of the 3650 in terms of presentation. i think the rounded keypad blew off the chance of the 3650 to be a great phone.

why dont we wait for the upcoming N6650 it is the first dual band 3G phone that nokia is going to release i think by the 2Q of 2003

Uhm... this thread is like 4 months old dude. :o

I have just seen the new 3650,and have held, but not owned one. This is one for all you product liabilty lawyers out there. Take a look at the crappy "New layout", (Nokias words not mine!!) keyboard. Am I so far the only one to spot that it appears to be a very cheap and nasty rubbery overlay ( alal zx spectrum!!!, remember those!!!) My point is,I wonder how long its gonna be before we hear reports of people putting fingers, and other objects through the rather nasty looking keypad. It looks flimsy , it feels flimsy,and guess what,it probably Is flimsy. As for the camera,I agree wholeheartedly that the resolution is not good, and need better!!. Apparently its also a speaker phone, but i bet i cant even hear it stood next to it, with a train rumbling away in the distance,and no im not bl**dy deaf. Have fun with your new toy ppl Im gonna stick with my nothing wrong with it 7650,which incidentally is for sale for £150,lol

I think the 7650 is a good fone, the only thing thats pissed me off about it is it has not got bluetooth voice so you cant use it with a headset or car kit, that is kin stupid, why make a top spec fone without bluetooth voice

Sorry fools... The Nokia 3650 is the best phone ever! Say goodbye to Nokia 7650 "the girl phone" haha... and welcome to the "new stuff" as Nokia 3650!!!

What is with these guys,they revive two months old dead disussion to say:Sorry fools? I really dont get it :o

Sorry fools... The Nokia 3650 is the best phone ever! Say goodbye to Nokia 7650 "the girl phone" haha... and welcome to the "new stuff" as Nokia 3650!!!

I don't know but nokia advertised 3650 as a girl phone (at least that's what I saw on TV and Web advertisements). Now who is the fool. 7650 users for owning it because it fullfils their needs, Nokia for not knowing their target market, or YOU for digging up old threads and offending others...

Sorry fools... The Nokia 3650 is the best phone ever! Say goodbye to Nokia 7650 "the girl phone" haha... and welcome to the "new stuff" as Nokia 3650!!!

I had a 3650 but i ended up selling it. I went back to a blue 7650 :D

1) videos on the 7650 was better
2) sound on the 7650 was better
3) resale value of the 3650 sucks
4) directional keypad of the 3650 sucks compared to the joystick of the 7650
5) keypads of the 3650 and the size of the ....hahahaha