Nokia marketing in the UK have said that the release date for the 6600 will actually be moved forward. It will be available in Q3 and not Q4 as has been quoted in some places.

The 6600 is really a great looking device. MIDP 2.0 and all the API's to go with it will make it an awsome device, and it's S60 v2.0 UI with OS 7.0s is going to put it well ahead of the rest of the field. I wonder what Siemens are going to do with all those SX1's that poeple won't want anymore? hehe... SX1 going cheap, anyway? :)

I wish that was true. This phone seems flawless...

I wonder what Siemens are going to do with all those SX1's that poeple won't want anymore?

I think this is BAD behaviour from Nokia :evil:

first, they sell the Series60 UI version 1.x to other phone manufacturers (siemens, sendo, samsung, etc.) ... then when the other producers are about to launch their phones...

BANG!

nokia shots them from behind their shoulders and PRE-announces (MONTHS before the real launch) that they will launch new phone(s) with a completely renewed release of Series60 UI!

I'd like to hear your opinions on this.

greetings,

@faquick

hell yeah, that was what i actually gonna say

how shitty nokia is they sell the license for the Series 60 v1.0 to other manfactures and they trick it with new models with more powerful OS

and now i;m wodnering if a company such as Siemens already licensed the series 60 v1.0 and do Siemens need kind of upgrade the license to v2.0 and pay more money to Nokia

or they got the free upgrade to V2.0

Later on Nokia is just like M$

but until now i still like Nokia phones :D

@faquick

how shitty nokia is they sell the license for the Series 60 v1.0 to other manfactures and they trick it with new models with more powerful OS

:

so what, i love nokia, even though there are better phones than the 7650, i'm not getting an upgrade untill it's a 3g phone from nokia, otherwise i would have gotten SEp800 which is much more powerful than the 7650, :angel:

S60 is Nokia's UI product. Why should they not get some advantage from this? After all, it's only a UI that sits on top of Symbian 7.0s. The other makers should have done there own UI or used UIQ if they want to get one up on Nokia. The best there are ever going to get using S60 is even.

@faquick:
RE:Backstabbing or clever business? :-?
Business is Business i'm afraid and while it may not be ethical for Nokia to do this, it's a 'dog eat dog' world.
At least they're showing that they're one step ahead of the game all the time.

I'm sure it's clever business. And at the end of the day the phone looks awesome and i am sure that (student finance permitting!) i'll be getting one. Couple of points i've picked up though.
Where are the X-Press on covers? :(
and secondly, how are they gonna protect that camera in the back so that we don't experience 'phone-in-pocket-with-keys' problems a la 3650? :-?

Lee 8)

@yourmanlee

from the picture i see there is a little plastic raised up to protect the lens from hitting the ground

i mean when the phone lay down there is a little step for the lens so it's not touuching the ground

but this is just when we put our phone down

not for when in the pocket :D

THUMBS UP

for Nokia Marketing Team

they rulez!!!! :D :D :D

I'm not saying moamoa is wrong, but I find that hard to believe. We are 10 days to Q3 and the phone isn't even tested. Than it still has to be shipped, supplied to the operators, etc...

So........... I don't see a blue sky ahead of us.

Nokia is not backstabbing, they are just being smart!! :D sell version 1.0 to the other manufactors (they are not so smart, you should know that Nokia always has something up their sleeves ;) ), and then walk over them again with a newer version. Nokia was, is and will be on top. Nokia has always made the best phones, with easy to use UI. Thats why most people stay with nokia. 6600 looks way better then th SX1,thats for sure. and i just know its gonna sell much better too.

Nokia is not backstabbing, they are just being smart!! :D sell version 1.0 to the other manufactors (they are not so smart, you should know that Nokia always has something up their sleeves ;) ), and then walk over them again with a newer version. Nokia was, is and will be on top. Nokia has always made the best phones, with easy to use UI. Thats why most people stay with nokia. 6600 looks way better then th SX1,thats for sure. and i just know its gonna sell much better too.

I don't think that other vendors bought only v1.x. I think the license agreement includes the whole S60 platform, also future versions of it.

Although,we shouldnt buy 6600 as soon as it will appear,coz for example N3650 has the FW 1.7(or 1.4 i dony remember),and there were a lot of bugs in this FW.

I think that we are entering some non visible fields in this "did nokia backstabbed other companies" discussion. What can we know?

Does anybody saw the contract? They may have bought only v1.0, maybe they bought all the series. Maybe they bought all the series but can only release their phones after nokia... Maybe they were stupid. Maybe not. Don't you think that those business men that bought series 60 from Nokia didn't thought in this situation? What if they develop another software? They have surely think.

And all the companies that bought Series 60 from Nokia... Well.. they saved a lot by not developing their own software, so they can't complaint. It was a risk. Nokia is doing what anybody would do. Should Nokia stop developing just because somebody bought some software?? I really don't think so. As I don't think that the companies that bought series 60 didn't ask for certain clauses in their contracts. This is just pure speculation...

And it doesn't make nokia 6600 arrive sooner! :)

Although,we shouldnt buy 6600 as soon as it will appear,coz for example N3650 has the FW 1.7(or 1.4 i dony remember),and there were a lot of bugs in this FW.

You are fortune telling now jimmy?Anyways,i don't think i'll go for the 6600,like i've said many times before,i need a more PDA'ish device like the p800 or maybe a new Communicator :)

OK,ghostdog,but its your point of view.I want 6600,and will get it.

I Would have thought that the other manufacturers have licenced S60 from Nokia, meaning that every time a Non-Nokia S60 phone is sold a payment goes to Nokia for the use of S60

Making the assumption that Nokia is stabbing their clients (Licencees) in the back does not make business sense especially seeing as the more S60 phones that are out there the better for Nokia because they get a cut from each an every one of those phones! I suspect that S60 V2 is not releas-able to the licencees yet and as such they haven't had the chance to implement - also Nokia inherently gets a lead time on any S60 platform simply because they develop it, it is quite possible that other vendors have the new S60 v2 platform but have not announced products yet.

OK,ghostdog,but its your point of view.I want 6600,and will get it.

That is not a point of view,its a fact,the p800 is more powerful,aimed at a different class PDA/Smartphone combo,where the 6600 is a Smartphone.

Basically,the 6600 is a 7650/3650 with couple(not much) fancy features added.

BTW: You've just proved a point a made: http://allaboutsymbian.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=12564&start=15

Yeah, P800 is more PDA'ish than 7650/3650/6600...
Maybe i'll buy P800 when the price drops a bit.

That is not a point of view,its a fact,the p800 is more powerful,aimed at a different class PDA/Smartphone combo,where the 6600 is a Smartphone.

Basically,the 6600 is a 7650/3650 with couple(not much) fancy features added.


I have a P800 so I'm not bias toward Nokia, but the P800's poor Java makes it a pretty poor smartphone. It has a Camera, Messaging, Audio and Bluetooth hardware, yet none of these are accessable from it's Java J2ME implementation. However, the 6600 has easy java access to all these features, so the kind of applications possible are in a different class to the P800. The Java improvements alone make the 6600 a far better device than the ??50's. You may not think much of these improvements if you are not a developer or don't understand the technology, but you WILL notice when the applications start to arrive! Applications that are simply not possible on a P800 or 7650/3650.

Java is great but 99% of java apps for Series 60 and even UIQ are just games.

The best stuff out there is coded in C++ and i believe that it will stay like that for a while,java is too slow for my taste.

BTW:Besides MIDP The p800 supports Personal Java.

BTW:I'm maybe a little biased towards Nokia,afterall,i own a 7650 :)

-Edit-

While i was searching for docs on Personal Java API's i found something funny on http://clubsonyericsson.com/en/products_p800.htm .They have a specs list and under Java they have listed:Personal Java, J2ME and C++ :D

P800 is not new to the market,it was realesed more than 1 year ago...The camera of it is not such good as in 6600,the screen is 4096 color..

P800 is not new to the market,it was realesed more than 1 year ago...

Get your facts straight. The P800 was released pretty much EXACTLY 6 months ago.

hm,P800 was realesed earliar that N7650.

Like I said, get your facts straight. I know exactly when the P800 was released because I got mine from the very first batch to arrive in Norway in December, and that was just one or two days after it was officially released in Sweden -where it was made.

The N7650 was released 7-8 months before that.

And in fact, many countries didn't get the P800 before FEBRUARY/MARCH even APRIL this year.

OK raven,i'll explain the sutiation:P800 appeared in Russia for sell in January!BUT it was not offiicial,..

Do you not understand English? I said that it was OFFICIALLY released in December 2002.

FIRST you havent told the year,but its my fault,second,WHAT ARE TALKING ABOUT :o I SAID that P800 is not new to the market,AND YOU ARE ARGUING with me,..see that..http://www.mobile-review.com/review/sonyericsson-p800.shtml

At the bottom of the page you can see that the test was published 23july 2002.

Raven,i dont want to agrue, i understand that you are the user of P800,and you know more about P800 than i.But PLEASE dont say that 6600 is not a good one,and P800 is better.P800 refers to another category of Smartphones.

WHAT ARE TALKING ABOUT

This is what I'm talking about:

hm,P800 was realesed earliar that N7650.

P800 is not new to the market,it was realesed more than 1 year ago...

Your two statements here are completely wrong, which I have already pointed out.

The Nokia 7650 was officially released in Mai 2002(if my memory serves me correctly). The P800 was officially released in December 2002. Ergo your statements are wrong, which I'm trying to point out to you, but it seems that you just don't want to understand.

At the bottom of the page you can see that the test was published 23july 2002.

LOL.. That has nothing to do with release dates. Reviewers/reporters/journalists often get a model long before it's officially released for test/advertisement purposes.

But PLEASE dont say that 6600 is not a good one,and P800 is better.P800 refers to another category of Smartphones.

? Where did I say that?

You didnt say thus,but you mentioned that P800 is better,and it is better to buy P800.RAVEN lets stop our fucki*** argue :agrue:

...you mentioned that P800 is better,and it is better to buy P800.

:D

I never said that. Will you stop making things up! You're staring to crack me up here!!! :D

Java is great but 99% of java apps for Series 60 and even UIQ are just games.

The best stuff out there is coded in C++ and i believe that it will stay like that for a while,java is too slow for my taste.



That's because the current Java MIDP does not have the API's to do much else, and that's why the new Java stuff in the 6600 is so key. I think you will start to see most of the best apps written is java very soon!

2raven,maybe i was wrong,coz WHEN I SAW 6600,i was (and i am)full of emotions,i like it very much,but some guys told that P800 is has more functions,and its more PDAdish,AND I BECAME agrressive,i wanted to protect 6600. ;)

QUESTION:IS IT REAL true that 6600 will appear in the 3rd quartal :o

That's because the current Java MIDP does not have the API's to do much else, and that's why the new Java stuff in the 6600 is so key. I think you will start to see most of the best apps written is java very soon!

Hmm I wonder.. I must admit I don't know much about Java, don't even like it, but I don't really see it replacing native Symbian C++ applications, even if it will support more API's than the current MIDP 1.0 version. What about the speed issue of apps written in Java? I doubt it will ever blend in with the OS/UI as well as native c++ applications..

I think we are getting waaay out of scope here... isn't this a topic about the release date for n6600?

I know we still don't have moderators, but....

Hmm I wonder.. I must admit I don't know much about Java, don't even like it, but I don't really see it replacing native Symbian C++ applications, even if it will support more API's than the current MIDP 1.0 version. What about the speed issue of apps written in Java? I doubt it will ever blend in with the OS/UI as well as native c++ applications..
The VM in 7.0s is much better than previous ones, however, I don't think speed was ever much of a problem on MIDP anyway. Personnal Java was crap and very slow, but MIDP was fine. I don't think MIDP 2.0 and the new API's will do EVERYTHING, it does not give you access to PIM contacts and stuff like like, but it does improve things greatly. I would give the old version 2/10 and the new stuff 8/10, and that's a big jump for us java developers.

let's just wait until the 6600 is released by then we can start comparing

even if MIDP 2.0 not as powerful as C++ programs

but most of the games for Series 60 written in java

and yeah there are also good ones like games by gameloft. i don't know how powerful Java is until gameloft released their games

but then C++ still the best

@ Jimmy FLoyd

Yes it is true that P800 has more features a simple example is just from the accesories you get if u buy a P800 out of the box (u'll impressed how many stuff u got there :D )

but these 2 devices P800 and Nokia 6600 is fall into different category as Nokia said Nokia 6600 is a multimedia phone with imaging and stuff i forgot what is it (it's on the Nokia's site)

for P800 it is a half phone half PDA device which far more featured than the Nokia 6600

in the end both of these u can't compare it because many people has their own perspective so choose whatever u like

but the fact is P800 has more features

RAVEN lets stop our fucki*** argue

Hang on, i thought the reason you put star's (***) in swear words is to cover the offensive bit of the word. LOL :D

The two (P800/6600) are incomparable. I think best comparison for 6600 is 3650 or SX1.

Lee

RAVEN lets stop our fucki*** argue

Hang on, i thought the reason you put star's (***) in swear words is to cover the offensive bit of the word. LOL :D

The two (P800/6600) are incomparable. I think best comparison for 6600 is 3650 or SX1.

Lee

i agree with u Nokia 6600 should be compared with SX-1 maybe 3650 but it's nokia :D :D :D

but the fact is P800 has more features


I wouldn't say it has more features. Both of these phones have features which the other phone don't have. I think they are quite even in feature wise.

@jimmy,when posting,please try to summarize the info in less posts possible,reading your posts one after another makes my head spin and avoid using foul language.

About the release Dates,the 7650 was released at the end of July and it was released way before the p800.

Java's goal was great,we might see it running on toasters and refrigerators in the future but for now C++ has the upper hand.

The p800 is more packed more powerful more expensive device then regular smartphone like the 6600 hence more features.Yes,they are incomparable because they belong to different class of devices.

But what if you tried to compare them?You can compare p800's smartphone side with 6600 smartphone's side,but what about the PDA side?So lets not start rambling.

I was wondering what the difference between these smartphones of today, such as Nokia's 3650, 7650, and this newly announced 6600, and the 3G phones I continue to hear about. I'm just curious because I've got a 3650, and I'm not sure what else they could have planned for future improvements. I was initially under the impression that these smartphones were actually 3G phones, but I think I may be mistaken.

Thanks.

And noone answered,..IS it true that 6600 wil appear in the 3rd quartal

Here's a short answer from me.All of these phones:7650,3650,6600 might look different and have some different features but actually,there aren't any radical changes from one to another.They all are 2.5G devices.

2.5g and 3g are networks(or maybe bunch of network standards that mobiles opereator on,maybe not a good explanation but its all i can do for now)

Here are some differences between 2g and 3g.

2G Wireless

The technology of most current digital mobile phones

Features includes:
- Phone calls
- Voice mail
- Receive simple email messages


Speed: 10kb/sec

Time to download a 3min MP3 song:
31-41 min

2.5G Wireless

The best technology now widely available

Features includes:
- Phone calls/fax
- Voice mail
-Send/receive large email messages
- Web browsings
- Navigation/maps
- New updates

Speed: 64-144kb/sec

Time to download a 3min MP3 song:
6-9min

3G Wireless

Combines a mobile phone, laptop PC and TV

Features includes:
- Phone calls/fax
- Global roaming
- Send/receive large email messages
- High-speed Web
Navigation/maps
Videoconferencing
- TV streaming
- Electronic agenda meeting reminder.

Speed: 144kb/sec-2mb/sec

Time to download a 3min MP3 song:
11sec-1.5min

IF you want more info search the web.

Ghost,

Thanks, that helps quite a bit. I guess the phones today are sporting some of the features that will set the trend for 3G, or I guess if you took the more pessimistic vie--glorified 2G features. I'd imagine it's a somewhat slow process, especially here in the U.S. where companies have such a large area to support service as opposed to smaller regions such as Japan.

Back on topic, I haven't seen anyone point to any substantial evidence via press release from Nokia, that the 6600 will be shipping in the 3rd quarter of this year in this thread, or elsewhere. Until such evidence appears I would set my expectations to see the phone in Q4--especially with Nokia's tendency for long, drawn-out product launches.

Thanks again.

But for example Nokia 3650 appeared very fast at the market .

I haven't seen anyone point to any substantial evidence via press release from Nokia, that the 6600 will be shipping in the 3rd quarter of this year in this thread, or elsewhere. Until such evidence appears I would set my expectations to see the phone in Q4


Here is one place .... "The 6600 contains 6MB of RAM, but users can add more via an MMC slot. Nokia will bundle a 32MB MultiMedia Card with the phone, which is due to ship during Q3, as will the 3100."
full article (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/68/31224.html)

But, I actually heard Q3 from someone in Nokia UK.

lets say that 3 minute song is 3 megabytes, (192 kps 44000khz)

at 10kb/s = 5.5 minutes

at 64-144kb/s = 20seconds - 70 seconds

at 144 - 2megs per sec = 1.5 - 20 seconds

BUT this isn't actually what the phones are like i don't think, neither is the figures above i don't think in terms of download,

the phones speed is pretty much like a modems speeds, when you connect to the internet using a 56k v92 modem, the maximum data transfer at any one time is 52kilobytes per second, but you actually download at speeds of 3-4 kilobytes per second, if you are on ADSL512, you don't actually download at half a megabyte a second, that's just the maximum data transfer at any one time, you actually download at aorund 61 kilobytes per secon (you just divide the given figure by 8 or 7 if you want to remove the overheads too), therefore if it says you will be able to download at 2 megs, this means you'll download at 256 kilobytes per second... this is what i think it is anyway, meaning the figures given at the start of this will be wrong, as are the figures in the thread above this one regarding download speeds.

One thing nk8,the speed is in kilobits not bytes.8 bits= 1 byte.IE:512kb(bits) ADSL right?Devide 512 with 8 and you will get the speed in bytes.

Kb = kilo bits ; KB = kilo bytes

Not to mention the fact that on the speed indicated is the total data flow speed. The actual useful data is limited to 87-50% of that rate. This varies with different protocols. This is due to service bits called headers etc. So when you see the download speed in IE it is the actual useful data recieved. So if you have (for simplicity sake) a connection of 80Kb per second (Kb=kilobit). That means you have a connection speed of 10KB per second (KB=kilobyte). Of that your dowload speed is at best 8.7KB per second.

@Ghostdog. 2.5G is really 2G + GRPS. Additional hardware build into the phones and the towers that support packet transmission. Regular GSM supports only raw data stream and this limits it's speed. 3G is a whole new hardware on both ends.

Yes i know Kiril,i started with a techy explanation but i realised that will be of no good to a lot of people here. ;)

:P

One thing nk8,the speed is in kilobits not bytes.8 bits= 1 byte.IE:512kb(bits) ADSL right?Devide 512 with 8 and you will get the speed in bytes.

Kb = kilo bits ; KB = kilo bytes

thanks, it's too confusing to convert the bits into bytes :P

Back to the topic...

I saw that article in the register also, saying that it will hit the shelves in the Q3. But I search the web and ALL the orther sites refers the release date in Q4, so since there's only one reference to Q3, I take that as an error....

Hope not, but that's what I think.

I don't think that N3650 was very quick in its launch. May be not as long as other phones, but it took a while too. The record I think is for4 7650 which was presented in November 2001 and released in July/Agust 2002. And Nokia said it would be Q2 2002, but it turns out to be Q3..

I think that N6600 will appear before Christmas.

I think that N6600 will appear before Christmas.

that would be a very good christmas gift :D

I don't think that N3650 was very quick in its launch. May be not as long as other phones, but it took a while too. The record I think is for4 7650 which was presented in November 2001 and released in July/Agust 2002. And Nokia said it would be Q2 2002, but it turns out to be Q3..

First shipments of 7650 were end of June 2002 in Finland. That's 7 months after announcement.
http://press.nokia.com/PR/200206/864667_5.html

First shipments of 3650 were end of February 2003. That's 5 months after announcement.
http://press.nokia.com/PR/200302/893265_5.html

Yes, end of June, but I'm talking about beeing in stores. At least, here, in Portugal N7650 only arrived in late july/early august. And that's a lot after it's announcement. Nov01>Jul02 8 monthes...

About 3650 I'm not so sure, but I know it was in stores late april/early may. But since I didn't bought it I can't be so sure.

I don't want to be the messenger of the bad news... I'm just warning you all not to be waiting for ti on Q3. Then again...... I wish I'm wrong...

http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=105822&asource=

That is bloody cheap.

True, its also the wrong price :( Shame, I would have bought one for each ear!

October 2003